Yes, it's finally finished at long last. It's going to final beta in a couple of days for the last bit of testing. Pre-orders will be opening up in a couple of hours, just getting everything set up for it now. If you want to pre-order the game, make sure your shipping information in Paypal is correct... we don't wanna have anything get shipped off to the wrong address. :) The preorder bonus was extended to 100 units, so there's still a few left. The price is the same as before, $35. Since it will be shipped this year and there's no plans for the price of USPS shipping to increase, we can do the shipping cost up-front this time so Paypal doesn't get to double-dip. Shipping is a flat $4.95 anywhere in the world, making the total $39.95 per unit. I'll be able to do some price cuts for multiple copies depending on where the order's going.
Awesome! I'll get you the money as soon as you have everything set up and give us the go-ahead!
I set up a Paypal button on wayback://www.frozenutopia.com (https://web.archive.org/web/20111001122605if_/http://www.frozenutopia.com/) and it should work... emphasis on "should". :)
Payment sent for my copy! Can't wait to play it!
Congrats!
Thanks everyone!
It's going off to final beta testing in just a couple of days... I have a couple of very rare and obscure yet important bugs to hunt down and squash, and beta testing should iron out any remaining ones that I haven't found yet. The only other detail that is left to be added is the remainder of the French script, to which I'll get the script to Arm as soon as possible so we can get it translated and inserted.
Congrats that's awesome. I can't wait to play it!
Also the site doesn't seem to be working at the moment.
Hrm... our site is up... though one of Paypal's object servers does seem to be offline.
Party time! :dance:
I pre-ordered my copy over a year ago...do you still have record of that?
I have the order list backed up 23 times in various places. :)
Ok looks like its all good now.
Quote from: hoobs88 on 08/16/2011, 09:10 PMI pre-ordered my copy over a year ago...do you still have record of that?
I was just about to ask the same thing...
ohohoh I am gonna get one too! :)
I'm pretty sure I preordered a long-ass time ago. Any chance of you posting a list of people who did pre-order?
just like Eric B and Rakim I'm paid in full 8)
Blam! Found my transaction:
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I'm pretty sure I paid $35 as well. Does that mean we owe $5 for shipping?
No... for the original pre-orders, the shipping fee was waived because of the wait. I was going to charge shipping later on, but since it took so long to bring to completion, free shipping ended up being the least I could do for making everyone wait so long.
Quote from: Opethian on 08/16/2011, 10:48 PMjust like Eric B and Rakim I'm paid in full 8)
I did what Ope did, but not as hip.
Thanks for doing this we appreciate it.
Quote from: hizaygizirlz on 08/17/2011, 01:22 AMQuote from: Opethian on 08/16/2011, 10:48 PMjust like Eric B and Rakim I'm paid in full 8)
I did what Ope did, but not as hip.
Thanks for doing this we appreciate it.
All we have to do now is let the rhythm hit em', & we should just follow the leader as long as we don't sweat the technique! :dance:
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 08/17/2011, 03:13 AMQuote from: hizaygizirlz on 08/17/2011, 01:22 AMQuote from: Opethian on 08/16/2011, 10:48 PMjust like Eric B and Rakim I'm paid in full 8)
I did what Ope did, but not as hip.
Thanks for doing this we appreciate it.
All we have to do now is let the rhythm hit em', & we should just follow the leader as long as we don't sweat the technique! :dance:
Something something Mysterious Song Make 'em Clap to this.
But back on topic as you can see we are all really excited.
I paid yesterday after your announcement in the shoutbox.
Can't wait to get mine, this is great news!
Aww hell!! :) Been waiting on this post. Congrats!
Congrats!! I will have to send payment in a few weeks!! hope I can still get in on the fun early Sept!!
Thank you!!
Quote from: The Old Rover on 08/16/2011, 11:52 PMNo... for the original pre-orders, the shipping fee was waived because of the wait. I was going to charge shipping later on, but since it took so long to bring to completion, free shipping ended up being the least I could do for making everyone wait so long.
This is very cool, man. Thanks! I'm looking forward to having another NEW Duo game to play. Congrats on finishing the game!
Woohoo! :dance:
My address has changed since pre-ordering, so I've messaged ya my new one.
I will get payment out in a couple days :) Thanks rover Cant wait to see MSR and the new project Jungle Bros is lookin good!
Site is down! :cry:
Will these be typical of other released homebrews, printed on CDs and with manual and case? Are there pictures of what we could expect the finished product to be? Very ready to pre-order this, but just want to see what I'd be getting media and packaging wise.
Hold the press! This means beta testing should finish up five years ahead of schedule, in 2015!
Quote from: Marll on 08/17/2011, 07:58 PMWill these be typical of other released homebrews, printed on CDs and with manual and case? Are there pictures of what we could expect the finished product to be? Very ready to pre-order this, but just want to see what I'd be getting media and packaging wise.
These are properly pressed CDs with 8-page manual and case. The cover art hasn't been finalized yet; still deciding on the front cover, whether to go with the silk background + title, the portrait cover, or Desmond's painting. The back cover art was already decided. If I get the chance today, I could put together a mockup of sorts that shows roughly what the finished product will look like.
Cool. My address has also changed since preordering -- I'm updating you my address via pm.
Don't get me wrong, it's awesome that another big step has been made toward completion, but why use the word "finished" when there's still testing to do, bugs to fix, one script to add, art to finalize, and discs to press? A natural disaster, family emergency, frozen paypal account, computer crash, mix up at the replicator, or any number of things (knock on wood x5) could still delay things quite a bit and cause another pre-order debacle.
For the same reason that Windows versions are "finished" six months before release... the product is complete, though it still needs a round of testing to ensure the gold standard. That's where we are right now. The game itself is finished, but we need to ensure that it is totally perfect before it's released. While final beta happens, the rest of the details get filled in, such as the cover art. "Finished", in the software industry, means "nothing left to add". :)
Fortunately, I've already accounted for all of the issues you've mentioned, and then some. Natural disasters don't really happen here (we live in a bunker-style concrete house in case of hurricane or floods, and have many days of power backup in case we lose power), the paypal funds are transferred out to a real bank account almost instantly to avoid another paypal fuckup, computer crashes are accounted for by making regular daily backups to twelve different locations across our local network and all of our internet servers, replication issues are virtually always caused by disc damage, which will be avoided by providing a dozen gold-standard archival discs... this time, I've got backup plans for the backup plans so there's little that could actually go wrong. The final beta test will not take long, as virtually all the issues were tackled in the first three major beta runs... all that was left to fix was two obscure-and-hard-to-track-down bugs, one of which has been isolated and fixed, the other will be addressed all day tomorrow. The final beta will be in the hands of the beta testers within 36 hours, and we plan to go to press in mid-September. Pressing will take 10 to 15 business days due to the backlog of orders the pressing house has. Since it's getting close to Xmas, I would assume the latter, which means that the shipment should arrive at our distribution points in early October, at which time they will be immediately shipped out to all the customers.
The only thing that could possibly go wrong is my mother-in-law... she came rushing in the house yesterday morning while I was debugging and dumped a PC on my lap, saying "fix this! I need it tomorrow morning!" without any context besides the fact that the woman who owns it (a real ditz) couldn't find her documents. Turns out that her account was damaged, and the school had let go of their entire tech staff (so the head of the DOE could pocket more federal funds) so they had no access to any of the original software. Since I'm the only experienced tech they know, guess who got the task of fixing the system... and I didn't even get paid for it. :( Oh well... life goes on.
Quote from: OldRover on 08/18/2011, 08:51 PM"Finished", in the software industry, means "nothing left to add". :)
Except the aforementioned French translation ;) Like I said last night "finished to you (software industry), and the vast majority of peeps on here are pretty different. I def see what Vestcunt brings up and agree.
Thanks for the reassurance Rover (and good story, too). I'm psyched, but sometimes my cynicism wrestles with my optimism. :D
Quote from: nectarsis on 08/18/2011, 09:11 PMExcept the aforementioned French translation ;) Like I said last night "finished to you (software industry), and the vast majority of peeps on here are pretty different. I def see what Vestcunt brings up and agree.
Not so much "add" as it is "replace"... right now, where French should be, it's in English. Just requires a string swap. It's about 1K of text in total, and will take about 5 minutes to do thanks to a nifty little string manipulation utility I crafted earlier this year for this very purpose.
lol, the games not finished if there is stuff to add/replace, and testing to be had.
In the single-release-no-patches-ever-happening side of the industry, finished means "Ready for pressing" or "Ready for release".
Windows isn't a proper comparison. Any software that has upgrade patterns/release cycles is allowed and expected to need service packs and other tweaks down the road... so they can say its "finished", release it, and at the same time already be working on Service Pack 1....
So unless you have a way to download patches for Super CD games that can be applied to a pressed CD, I would not consider the game is finished...especially if you have a bug that needs addressed.
I say this only because I don't want to see you put your foot in your mouth again.
I didn't open Insanity for preorders until the game was literally 100% done, burnt to a master CD, and ready to go to the pressing house. When I claimed it was finished, it literally was finished and no longer being worked on. It came down to "The game is done, I can't afford to front the money, 30 of you need to pony up some cash", :)
Also, don't bank on 10-15 business days for the pressing house. Shoot for ~20, just to be safe, lol.
Handle the discs like brain surgery. Go straight from fresh package--->CD tray that you precleaned, and then take it out and drop it right back into the case. In a dust free room. One little speck or nick will make them go NOPE, and toss the disc out.
Besides a dust free room, we need some moon suits, anti-static shock cream, & sweat repellant! :D
This really does sound awesome!!
How many pre-orders do you have left? How many in total are you looking to press? I guess I'm only asking because I was looking to purchase the game roughly a month from now, and want to make sure there will still be some available at that point.
That's great news about MSR being finished!
I just finished my own Turbo homebrew game (Thunder Force Octology). The only things left to do are design and code it.
Wow, you guys jumped all over this! I know the game has taken a while, but it seems we should be more supportive in this thread to someone developing for the TG16?
Anyway, hopefully my gratitude can motivate the team's next project to be a spiritual successor to Yo Bro!... no one wants Neutopia 3 anyway.
Quote from: TheClash603 on 08/20/2011, 01:25 AMWow, you guys jumped all over this! I know the game has taken a while, but it seems we should be more supportive in this thread to someone developing for the TG16?
Anyway, hopefully my gratitude can motivate the team's next project to be a spiritual successor to Yo Bro!... no one wants Neutopia 3 anyway.
Heh, I'd rather fix Yo Bro, rather then make a sequal personally. :) There's a few different projects that could maybe be our next release, though I think it more likely to be Jungle Bros. I wish I could say the music end of things(for JB) is zipping by, but, I'm still working on cleaning & repairing my synth, while also working on tearing up my yard to put in African Daisy's, flagstone pavers, etc. all by myself, each week, hoping the managers don't come down on me for not finishing the project soon enough, or not good enough, or who knows. It's kinda strict here, which can be good(keep out the riff raff), but sometimes it comes down on me if I don't mow my lawn as soon as they'd like :P
I don't want to be rude or anything but even if I'd like to get one of the 100 preorder copies, I'd rather order once it is pressed and all. I'm confident that it will be released by the end of the year but too many annoucements got people disappointed in the end. So I totally agree with Arkhan on this.
But I'm really looking forward to playing the game :)
Quote from: TheClash603 on 08/20/2011, 01:25 AMWow, you guys jumped all over this! I know the game has taken a while, but it seems we should be more supportive in this thread to someone developing for the TG16?
Anyway, hopefully my gratitude can motivate the team's next project to be a spiritual successor to Yo Bro!... no one wants Neutopia 3 anyway.
Screw you Clash. I do :D :P
Yep, I knew that once one member of the clique had posted in this thread, Emerald Rocker would be along to add his own sarcastic two cents eventually. Thanks for being so predictable, ER. :P My life is now complete. :)
Quote from: shubibiman on 08/20/2011, 05:06 AMI don't want to be rude or anything but even if I'd like to get one of the 100 preorder copies, I'd rather order once it is pressed and all. I'm confident that it will be released by the end of the year but too many annoucements got people disappointed in the end. So I totally agree with Arkhan on this.
But I'm really looking forward to playing the game :)
No worries, I don't think you're being rude. It's very understandable, I'd probably feel the same way if I were you.
On a ligher note, I believe my synth working in perfect harmony again, just need to put it back together (fun fun FUN!) & continue working on music!
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 08/20/2011, 07:39 PMNo worries, I don't think you're being rude. It's very understandable, I'd probably feel the same way if I were you.
Indeed... couldn't have said it better myself.
well, in my case, I couldn't afford to press, so I needed the preorders to get the pressing done.
I didn't open preorders until it was burnt/ready to be mailed/place was awaiting the package though...
im also really OCD and try to plan things out as much as possible lol
I could use your sense of planning. :)
Looks like we might need that backup power after all, as a nasty tropical storm is on the way... winds are already getting rather high, and knowing how PR works (or doesn't work, as it really is), we're likely to lose power for a few days. Fortunately, I've already done the backups, and we have systems we can work on thru the we-know-it's-coming powerout. I'm just in the process of doing some final local testing right now before it gets uploaded for the beta team... fixed a couple of glitches here and there but nothing super huge.
The final beta is being uploaded to the server as we speak. Although it still has a few issues I was not able to tackle due to our power backups running out earlier than expected, the time has finally come for the final beta run. This could take a week to finish, though it might go a bit longer. We're aiming for pressing by September 15th. And yes, that's 2011, not 2015. :P
Just dont press on 9/11
thats asking for ironic disaster.
No kidding.
MSR has gone to Silver status, the final beta has been released to the beta team.
When does it go platinum
When does it go unobtanium?
you just jinxed it!
I'll be satisfied with Gold Master (that's what should be the standard for "finished").
Quote from: guest on 08/23/2011, 04:12 PMWhen does it go unobtanium?
Isn't that where it's been for years? :P
Platinum is impossible for a lowly PC Engine game maker, sorry. :P
Quote from: guest on 08/23/2011, 04:12 PMWhen does it go unobtanium?
After all its copies are sold. :) That will happen from now to... erm.. maybe 2025 or so.
OBEYVATAR
Are pre-orders still being accepted? The PayPal button on the site is "temporarily disabled." I am having a heart attack because I didn't know it was going to be a physical release, and I just stumbled across this thread. Gotta get it!
Edit: All is good. Got it to work. :)
I can't thank you enough for this, Rovie! Really. :D
yeah press turbob cds is retard easy. Anyone who makes a turbob CD game should get it pressed.
Pressing them's the easy part. Making the software, and making it worthy of something people would pay cash monies for, is the hard part.
Btw, CrackTiger revealed to us a sketch of what the front cover will look like. I can't show it here on the forum without his authorization, but it bears resemblance to other RPGs of the heyday of 16 bit gaming.
Think: Dungeon Explorer (U.S. edition).
Quote from: nat on 08/24/2011, 09:08 PMThink: Dungeon Explorer 2? :D (U.S. edition).
fixed?...hopefully :| :P
Quote from: nat on 08/24/2011, 09:08 PMThink: Dungeon Explorer (U.S. edition).
Hey now, the 5 year old that drew that worked very hard!
Quote from: nat on 08/24/2011, 09:08 PMThink: Dungeon Explorer (U.S. edition).
lol, the front and back are styled after games like the Japanese Saturn versions of Lunar SSS and Albert Odyssey Gaiden. :P
Quote from: guest on 08/24/2011, 10:41 PMlol, the front and back are styled after games like the Japanese Saturn versions of Lunar SSS and Albert Odyssey Gaiden. :P
So I'm expecting Kubooka looking art?
Quote from: guest on 08/24/2011, 10:41 PMQuote from: nat on 08/24/2011, 09:08 PMThink: Dungeon Explorer (U.S. edition).
lol, the front and back are styled after games like the Japanese Saturn versions of Lunar SSS and Albert Odyssey Gaiden. :P
Awesome
Quote from: DragonmasterDan on 08/25/2011, 08:38 AMQuote from: CrackTiger on 08/24/2011, 10:41 PMlol, the front and back are styled after games like the Japanese Saturn versions of Lunar SSS and Albert Odyssey Gaiden. :P
So I'm expecting Kubooka looking art?
Think character jumble on the front and painted cliff scene on the back. The actual art is what it is and may or may not look however Japanese.
If anyone's interested, I'm looking for a couple pairs of fresh eyes for the final beta test. PM me if interested.
(and not like chop5 who says his eyes are spoiled and full of fruit flies)
int i;
there's one!
Quote from: guest on 08/25/2011, 01:09 PMThink character jumble on the front and painted cliff scene on the back. The actual art is what it is and may or may not look however Japanese.
The reason I asked is Kubooka did the art for both of the two examples given (Albert Odyssey Gaiden and Lunar). So I thought it was more than coincidental you chose those as examples.
Quote from: guest on 08/25/2011, 02:22 PMint i;
there's one!
I used that one this morning... it's now covered in stray nybbles from a cracked memory pool. It's not fresh anymore. :(
your face is a stray nybble.
SICK BURN.
... I've heard better comebacks from a turkey sandwich. :P
Quote from: DragonmasterDan on 08/25/2011, 02:46 PMQuote from: CrackTiger on 08/25/2011, 01:09 PMThink character jumble on the front and painted cliff scene on the back. The actual art is what it is and may or may not look however Japanese.
The reason I asked is Kubooka did the art for both of the two examples given (Albert Odyssey Gaiden and Lunar). So I thought it was more than coincidental you chose those as examples.
I have referenced some of his art when making some of the cinema art more Japanese looking, but it is more than coincidental that those two games wound up with the same style of scenes on the front and back. :)
CrackTiger's a good artist. I'm curious to see what the package looks like.
Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 08/25/2011, 11:04 PMCrackTiger's a good artist. I'm curious to see what the package looks like.
At first glance I thought you said, "I'm curious to see what
his package looks like."
I'm curious to see what his package looks like too. Should be wondrous!
3==========D
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 08/26/2011, 11:53 AMI'm curious to see what his package looks like too. Should be wondrous!
It's very nice. :) Way better than Dungeon Explorer USA...
Quote from: OldRover on 08/26/2011, 11:12 PMMSR is finished!
Really? 4REALZ? Is there a photo of the final product?
Not yet because it's not off to press yet. :) We're doing final beta test right now, and so far so good. :)
Yup, deffinitly doing some final bug squashing for teh win! :D
Quote from: OldRover on 08/27/2011, 01:11 AMNot yet because it's not off to press yet. :) We're doing final beta test right now, and so far so good. :)
Oh, ok so still in post-production.
Quote from: blueraven on 08/27/2011, 06:19 PMOh, ok so still in post-production.
Yessir. Shouldn't be much longer. We took on one new beta tester to help share the workload and he's doing a bangup job thus far. We'll probably be RC by the end of August.
OK, just filled the other beta test slot, so we're all set for beta testers.
Just a quick lil update... we've fielded quite a few reports so far, but there have been no new reports in recent days, indicating a lack of remaining issues. There is still one run left to conquer, and I'm sure it will have a few issues, but all the big ones are already squashed and even the little ones are extremely minor.
wooo! Got my pre-order in!
Now to just sit back and wait for it to come in the mail.
:D
Are you guys gonna let us know who scored the preorder bonus? What is it exactly? A MSR soundtrack cd? A code to download a new area to the game with boss and everything? Everyone hook up your Turbob wireless ethernet adapter cause it's almost go time! :dance: :lol:
I would divulge the bonus item, but I'm not really at liberty to do so. I can say, however, that it's not one item but three items.
Great job guys! Glad to see this on it's way! Now I need to scrap some cash from my bank account and promptly deposit into yours lol
It's full-on burnout mode as we race towards Release Candidate, due Thursday.
Great to hear! Wish you guys luck and hopefully things will continue to flow smoothly. [-o<
Quote from: Mishran on 09/12/2011, 01:49 PMGreat to hear! Wish you guys luck and hopefully things will continue to flow smoothly. [-o<
Seconded. :)
We're still working out issues with the game. This has been more work than I expected. Fixing one problem introduces a host of other problems that then have to be resolved individually. This has been a mammoth amount of work just to fix minor glitches. I'm going to finish this production, and it will be perfect, and then I am never making another traditional RPG for the PC Engine ever again. Fuck this.
And I offer a bullet to the fucking head to anyone who wants to pull snarky bullshit.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 09/16/2011, 02:48 PMAnd I offer a bullet to the fucking head to anyone who wants to pull snarky bullshit.
Tell 'em to go make their own game or shut the fuck up.
You're the best Rover! Thanks for your commitment in seeing this through!
Quote from: guest on 09/16/2011, 03:31 PMYou're the best Rover! Thanks for your commitment in seeing this through!
Yeah Rovie! We love ya man!
Quote from: The Old Rover on 09/16/2011, 02:48 PMAnd I offer a bullet to the fucking head to anyone who wants to pull snarky bullshit.
PIER SOLAR ONLY TOOK 8 YEARS OR SOMTING, LRN2PORGAM.
lol.
but yeah, screw making lengthy games, ever. We're not paid hourly, we don't have real dev tools, and we don't have as much man power.
plus, one Japanese programmer is the equivalent to 12 Americans.
Quote from: guest on 09/18/2011, 06:00 PMplus, one Japanese programmer is the equivalent to 12 Americans.
:-s
Quote from: Sadler on 09/18/2011, 07:29 PMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 09/18/2011, 06:00 PMplus, one Japanese programmer is the equivalent to 12 Americans.
:-s
They have super powers. You didn't know that?!
Quote from: guest on 09/18/2011, 06:00 PMQuote from: OldRover on 09/16/2011, 02:48 PMAnd I offer a bullet to the fucking head to anyone who wants to pull snarky bullshit.
PIER SOLAR ONLY TOOK 8 YEARS OR SOMTING, LRN2PORGAM.
lol.
but yeah, screw making lengthy games, ever. We're not paid hourly, we don't have real dev tools, and we don't have as much man power.
plus, one Japanese programmer is the equivalent to 12 Americans.
You're racist against white people!!! You white hating white man! :P
Damn, just got home from vacation for 2 weeks and I hoped that this was going to be waiting for me.
However, keep up the good work, and patience is a virtue!
Quote from: guest on 09/18/2011, 09:49 PMQuote from: Sadler on 09/18/2011, 07:29 PMQuote from: guest on 09/18/2011, 06:00 PMplus, one Japanese programmer is the equivalent to 12 Americans.
:-s
They have super powers. You didn't know that?!
Learn something new everyday! :D
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 09/19/2011, 01:42 AMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 09/18/2011, 06:00 PMQuote from: The Old Rover on 09/16/2011, 02:48 PMAnd I offer a bullet to the fucking head to anyone who wants to pull snarky bullshit.
PIER SOLAR ONLY TOOK 8 YEARS OR SOMTING, LRN2PORGAM.
lol.
but yeah, screw making lengthy games, ever. We're not paid hourly, we don't have real dev tools, and we don't have as much man power.
plus, one Japanese programmer is the equivalent to 12 Americans.
You're racist against white people!!! You white hating white man! :P
KILL WHITEY.
Quote from: TheClash603 on 09/19/2011, 03:31 AMDamn, just got home from vacation for 2 weeks and I hoped that this was going to be waiting for me.
Feel lucky it wasn't... it wouldn't have been playable. Some fatal bugs were found almost right away.
Yo rover :) Put a pre order in over a year ago i think, also just wanted to be sure you still had my name on the list :).. Also for a pre order bonus i hope ( and international shipping )
Thanks, looking forward..
PM me your name so I can verify it. :)
Just a quick lil update... a nasty crash problem has been identified in one area of the game that is eluding all logical sense. Until it's fixed, the game cannot be released, and it's going to take a lot of checking and rechecking of the source code, generated assembly code, and possibly the overlay table to figure out exactly what the problem is. It cannot be released with this problem intact.
Quote from: OldRover on 09/24/2011, 12:06 PMJust a quick lil update... a nasty crash problem has been identified in one area of the game that is eluding all logical sense. Until it's fixed, the game cannot be released, and it's going to take a lot of checking and rechecking of the source code, generated assembly code, and possibly the overlay table to figure out exactly what the problem is. It cannot be released with this problem intact.
Take your time, Rovie. This is a patient gamer.
This is a pretty serious fatal flaw and one of the most difficult I've ever had to deal with due to its nature. Originally, it seemed like a problem with the map loader, so I did some tests for that... everything checked out. So then, I thought maybe it was a problem with the menu exit code. That worked fine. So then I figured maybe it was a problem with some of the strcpy() functions that rebuild the palette... maybe the palette buffer was too close in RAM to the map coordinates (since this crash only happens when mapy > 8). That wasn't it. So maybe it was simply in the position of the function... perhaps a cd_execoverlay transfer flaw. Reorganizing the function would fix that for sure. It didn't work. As a last resort, I reworked the overlay table by duplicating the module and placing it one slot higher... surely if this was the problem, it would be gone. Guess what? Problem still persists.
I am completely out of ideas at this point. The *only* thing I have to go on at this point is in the knowledge that this flaw only manifests when mapy > 8. My special text function fails to draw a proper dialogue box string when this happens, though hulib's put_number() still works normally. However, this problem does *not* manifest in *any other subprogram*... this is unique to this particular subprogram.
EDIT: Actually, both of my special text functions work just fine... they just fail after the menu is called up. That narrows the issue down further... there is something in the menu code itself causing this issue.
Like Mathius said, take your time. Everyone is looking forward to playing MSR, but are in no rush. Rather see the game bug free from the start than have to download patches the first time the game loads. :wink:
Nailed it... found the exact line causing problems, and it was indeed a strcpy() function call... so yeah, it was library code, and out of my control. I have to rewrite this portion of the subprogram to eliminate the strcpy() calls. It may introduce a tiny amount of palette snow but at this point, I really don't give a snot if there's just a touch of it.
OK... with that crash issue out of the way, work moves forward. There's a whole new host of small glitches in the game past the fatal flaw, but they are extremely minor and will only take about an hour to wipe them all out.
Dodged a bullet there. :)
Quote from: OldRover on 09/24/2011, 04:05 PMNailed it... found the exact line causing problems, and it was indeed a strcpy() function call... so yeah, it was library code, and out of my control. I have to rewrite this portion of the subprogram to eliminate the strcpy() calls. It may introduce a tiny amount of palette snow but at this point, I really don't give a snot if there's just a touch of it.
So it was strcpy()? Did you figured out what specifically is causing it to crash inside the lib code?
Just put my order in, finally.
Take your time on those bugs, we can wait.
Quote from: TurboXray on 09/24/2011, 10:27 PMSo it was strcpy()? Did you figured out what specifically is causing it to crash inside the lib code?
It looks like it wasn't respecting the end-of-string marker and just kept on going, creating an infinite loop. It looks like it's not working anyway, so I'm going to cut out all strcpy() function calls and do a revised version of the code that was there previously.
Thanks for your support, grahf! And everyone else too! :D
I thought I already told you strcpy is fucked up, lol.
Glad you figured it out, but yeah, shits be busted. Welcome to HuC.
Quote from: OldRover on 09/24/2011, 11:09 PMIt looks like it wasn't respecting the end-of-string marker and just kept on going, creating an infinite loop. It looks like it's not working anyway, so I'm going to cut out all strcpy() function calls and do a revised version of the code that was there previously.
Thanks for your support, grahf! And everyone else too! :D
I have the same problem with strcpy() ..
It seems don't care about EOF .
I have wrote my own, with special EOF/EOL caracter in my txt file.
Quote from: touko on 09/25/2011, 04:47 AMI have the same problem with strcpy() ..
It seems don't take care about EOF .
I have wrote my own, with special EOF/EOL caracter in my txt file.
Cool, good that you made as workaround for it. Meh... broken stuff sucks. :(
By the way... anyone who's wondering how much work goes into something like this...
The main sourcecode for Toren is 2490 lines of C code. That doesn't include the library header and all of the generic extra inclusions:
sampleheader.h: 2 lines (offset data for the ADPCM sample bank)
campspells.c: 183 lines (selection and display of out-of-battle magics)
common.c: 1429 lines (game engine library code... areas cannot exist without this module)
commontown.c: 239 lines (code only used for towns; primarily shop-related)
bonusfeatures.c: 87 lines (code to handle the system data for unlocking bonus features)
Comes out to about 4430 lines of C. Might be able to cut that down by about 50 for linebreaks between functions and each source's topline comment. This is just one source though... every source is different, as each area has its own unique functions and requirements.
Hi Rover, just to tell you that the remaining strings you had sent have been translated. You can check your PMs.
Excellent, thanks Arm... I'll get this inserted right away. :)
Quote from: OldRover on 09/25/2011, 12:10 PMExcellent, thanks Arm... I'll get this inserted right away. :)
That's what she said :P
all this strcpy madness wouldn't have happened if you made a real game, like Insanity!
SCREW TEXT. JUST LAZERS.
=3 lol
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Elsie already convinced me to make a Pak-Rat game. :D
lol. I want to remake global thermonuclear war.
Need to make a speech module version!
TURBOBVOICE SYNTHESIS MODULE
Quote from: OldRover on 09/25/2011, 10:13 AMCool, good that you made as workaround for it. Meh... broken stuff sucks. :(
By the way... anyone who's wondering how much work goes into something like this...
The main sourcecode for Toren is 2490 lines of C code. That doesn't include the library header and all of the generic extra inclusions:
sampleheader.h: 2 lines (offset data for the ADPCM sample bank)
campspells.c: 183 lines (selection and display of out-of-battle magics)
common.c: 1429 lines (game engine library code... areas cannot exist without this module)
commontown.c: 239 lines (code only used for towns; primarily shop-related)
bonusfeatures.c: 87 lines (code to handle the system data for unlocking bonus features)
Comes out to about 4430 lines of C. Might be able to cut that down by about 50 for linebreaks between functions and each source's topline comment. This is just one source though... every source is different, as each area has its own unique functions and requirements.
You can modify original function to correct it ..
I think when you are using strcpy(), it remove \0 at the end of copied string.
Quote from: touko on 09/26/2011, 03:30 AMI think when you are using strcpy(), it remove \0 at the end of copied string.
So it should be called strdestroy() instead! Right? :) lol
Lol, good idea, why not :P ..
We'll be at RC1 status in about two hours now.
Can't wait for this. After the release of MSR, you guys will have plenty of time to finish up your other awesome projects, right? right? :D
So we might still see this before 2012? Sweet. :P
After the release of MSR, I am taking a one month vacation before touching another byte of 6280 code. :P
Quote from: OldRover on 09/29/2011, 01:26 AMAfter the release of MSR, I am taking a one month vacation before touching another byte of 6280 code. :P
Bah to you says I, we'll make you code till yer eyes bulge & yer brain is like that of pixy stix! :D
What is RC1? My guess is Release Copy? Am I are Smrt?
Quote from: Senshi on 09/29/2011, 09:08 AMWhat is RC1? My guess is Release Copy? Am I are Smrt?
Almost. RC = Release Candidate. 1 = one.
yeah taking breaks is nice.
Im on a forced break right now. Any code I code on the PCe right now means im blowing off my classes. lol
at least were almost to midterms, so i can be like FUCK YALL BITCHES IS PCE CODETIME AGAIN.
Wish I was talented enough to code. I'd be coding Turbo games until my brain explodes and my eyes fly from their sockets. :(
It's an acquired talent.
Tackled QBasic in high school and lets just say, I'm not very talented. ](*,)
I remember when QBASIC first came out, it was like a godsend compared to GWBASIC and the versions that came before.
The full-featured built-in text editor and enhanced graphics handling commands put it light years ahead of even GW. Not to mention the fact you didn't have to number every line of code.
I learned BASIC on a CP/M system back when it was just called "BASIC" or "Microsoft BASIC." The lack of a real text editor (you had to type each line into a buffer, one at a time) was one of the biggest drawbacks of BASIC back then. The easiest way to correct a single character typo, quite frankly, was to re-type the entire line of code.
The one plus to that old BASIC under CP/M was that you could actually compile your programs into an executable, whereas with GW and Q the computer had to execute them in "real time" under the interpreter making for sluggish execution. I heard Microsoft released some sort of compiler for QBASIC at some point, but I think it cost an arm and a leg.
QBASIC became QuickBASIC, which was both an interpreter and a compiler, using the same visual editor as QBASIC. To this day, it still retails for $150. There was also the Professional Development System which contained the last version of QuickBASIC, 7.1, but Visual BASIC For MS-DOS quickly replaced that. A freeware successor was written a number of years later by an uninvolved party, which was called freeBASIC. A direct descendent was then written a few years after that, called QB64, again from uninvolved people. freeBASIC is a BASIC-like true compiler that has tons of C-like features, QB64 is essentially a modern QBASIC clone that aims to be able to run all QBASIC code unmodified. I actually use freeBASIC for some of my utility work... most of the binary data files for MSR are assembled using tools developed in freeBASIC. The map editor for MSR was written in Visual Basic 6 though.
Quote from: guest on 09/29/2011, 11:13 PMyeah taking breaks is nice.
Im on a forced break right now. Any code I code on the PCe right now means im blowing off my classes. lol
at least were almost to midterms, so i can be like FUCK YALL BITCHES IS PCE CODETIME AGAIN.
Why a break ???
it's the period for fuck fests in US =P~ ??? or it was just a fucking mythe :evil:??
So wait, is Mysterious Song actually available yet?
Guys he said AFTER MSR is complete..they are still on RC1.
Quote from: touko on 09/30/2011, 03:02 AMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 09/29/2011, 11:13 PMyeah taking breaks is nice.
Im on a forced break right now. Any code I code on the PCe right now means im blowing off my classes. lol
at least were almost to midterms, so i can be like FUCK YALL BITCHES IS PCE CODETIME AGAIN.
Why a break ???
it's the period for fuck fests in US =P~ ??? or it was just a fucking mythe :evil:??
no, a break because like I said here (and on Aetherbyte.com), I have classes til december 18th or so... and that is a bit more important since it cost like 4000$ to attend, lol
Quote from: guest on 09/30/2011, 11:52 PMand that is a bit more important since it cost like 4000$ to attend, lol
Lol, ok but 4000$, wahou, US school is very expensive ..
Quote from: touko on 10/01/2011, 10:52 AMQuote from: guest on 09/30/2011, 11:52 PMand that is a bit more important since it cost like 4000$ to attend, lol
Lol, ok but 4000$, wahou, US school is very expensive ..
Lol...that's cheap for school. try 30,000 to 50,000 a year for some. (However I don't think they are worth it)
Quote from: Senshi on 10/01/2011, 10:58 AMQuote from: touko on 10/01/2011, 10:52 AMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 09/30/2011, 11:52 PMand that is a bit more important since it cost like 4000$ to attend, lol
Lol, ok but 4000$, wahou, US school is very expensive ..
Lol...that's cheap for school. try 30,000 to 50,000 a year for some. (However I don't think they are worth it)
Well this is for one semester and it's graduate school, lol.
The graduate program is far better than the undergrad in most colleges. You actually learn shit!
:shock:
I understand why many americans people continue to pay schools credits, long after.
Yeah, but the actual tuiton cost isn't necessarily what one pays. I went to a school where the tuition fee was $24k year at the time (current tuition at $43k/yr), but after various grants, what I actually paid was close to zero (I did have to borrow for most of the housing costs, but I reckon that's more than fair).
so what would be great is for you guys to write a WHO TO start coding on PCe, different tools, what to use, how to set up, create a basic hello world, having played with PSX (Yaroze/C ), Xbox 360 (c#), id be keen to be a bit more old school and give the pce a look in, but would need some starters, hell a R-type or platform game with some commented source to get going would be ideal
Hello World is easy in HuC:
#include "huc.h"
main()
{
load_default_font();
put_string("Hello, World!",9,13);
}
hehe. :D
I have a platformer engine coded in HuC that I've used in three games and a tech demo thus far, but it's not very well commented. If you want to go the HuC route, I could clean it up and toss it your way. If you want to go the assembly route, someone like TheOldMan would be better to talk to.
Quote from: OldRover on 10/04/2011, 12:10 AMHello World is easy in HuC:
#include "huc.h"
main()
{
load_default_font();
put_string("Hello, World!",9,13);
}
hehe. :D
I have a platformer engine coded in HuC that I've used in three games and a tech demo thus far, but it's not very well commented. If you want to go the HuC route, I could clean it up and toss it your way. If you want to go the assembly route, someone like TheOldMan would be better to talk to.
Id be keen on the HUC stuff, i dont think im ready to go down the assembly route.
Where can one grab the latest version of HuC?
zeograd.com has the last released version, but it hasn't been updated since 2005. Tomatheous gave me a few new routines for it, and I added a couple of things as well, but such modifications are kept in-house. HuC desperately needs an official update, but its maintainer has abandoned it.
Let's take this to a new topic... I'd really like to know....
Quotezeograd.com has the last released version, but it hasn't been updated since 2005. Tomatheous gave me a few new routines for it, and I added a couple of things as well, but such modifications are kept in-house. HuC desperately needs an official update, but its maintainer has abandoned it.
What would you change/fix in Huc?
I have an include flag patch in place, along with some minor bug-fixes (ie, not skipping spaces correctly).
I'd like to split the library stuff up, so you could include only what you need, and -maybe- re-write the asembler to output linkable modules. Anyone interested in helping/testing?
They said they abandoned updating it because not enough people were using it.
But, I think not enough people are using it BECAUSE it needs an update...
yeah.
I will test the fuck outta any changes made to HuC. We abused the hell out of it with MSR, exposing its myriad of limitations and bugs. Just the other day I came across yet another flaw, involving variables set global at the source level (as opposed to global in globals.h, which seems to be at an even higher scope). Slow array access is the biggest thing in dire need of fixing, and from there, proc shuffling for minimum space waste... or, as you guys call it, "backpacking".
If no one uses your stuff, there's no need to fix it. But if you don't fix it, no one will use it. It's a catch-22.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 10/05/2011, 11:58 AMSlow array access is the biggest thing in dire need of fixing,
yeah , and IIRC, >> and << aren't any faster than multiplies/divides...
pointers didn't work right at all really, and there aren't any structs... we have a list of complaints over here already. What other ones do you have Rover, lol.
at least the Aetherbyte HuC Tweak extravaganza makes it a little more useable. I'm using it for Atlantean and will be using it for the other crap too.
Stuff I would want to see:
-Fix array access (as above)
-"Auto-backpacking" (as above too)
-Remove the utterly useless gfx plotting routines (already did this here)
-Remove the broken sound code that just wastes space in hucard building
-Optimize scroll()
-Better mapper functions that support more than 256 unique tiles
-Getting rid of scan_map_table() and making the mapper support height/width greater than 256
-Add ACD and SGX capabilities to hulib (Tom did this already)
-Modify compiler/assembler to take advantage of the extra 24KB of SGX work RAM
-More intelligent verbose code output (backslashes screw it up at present)
-struct support
-C++ style comments (would help with verbose output, I think)
-goto keyword (being forced to do this in assembly is lame)
-Expansion of the overlay table (50 is fine until you get serious)
-The addition of a 24 bit variable type for addressing (there's one internally but it's not exposed)
-Much more intelligent use of zero page
-ADPCM streaming (Tom coded one, so I have it in my hulib)
I probably have more but this is about all I can think of for now. I've tried to fix things myself but it's just a nightmare... the code is a mess and things aren't done optimally.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 10/05/2011, 12:10 PM-Much more intelligent use of zero page
I loled.
I wonder who would actually use a new / fixed HuC aside from You, and Aetherbyte.
Everyone else seems to just do asm.
A few people have expressed interest, but without something worthwhile of recommendation... well, you know.
ChrisBee wants to start up his own group, but he said he doesn't really code. I think he wants to learn though. mrhaboobi is obviously interested too. I think HuC's limitations really squashed any early attempts at greatness... people like Trilinear just packed up their toys and went home once they found out how broken it was.
And we mustn't forget about hcf. He's a pretty serious coder too.
I took the HuC discussion to a new topic, so everyone knows. (What Needs Fixed In HuC)
QuoteI wonder who would actually use a new / fixed HuC aside from You, and Aetherbutt.
QuoteI think HuC's limitations really squashed any early attempts at greatness
Genearal opinion seems to be "If it wasn't such a pos, maybe a lot more people would use it" :0
Quote from: TheOldMan on 10/05/2011, 01:10 PMGenearal opinion seems to be "If it wasn't such a pos, maybe a lot more people would use it" :0
Yeah, but the creator (and his closer companions) are of the opinion that there is no point in fixing it if noone is using it... so either we fix it (as usual? ;)), or enough people start using HuC and make 900 bug reports.
I believe one of them also said "The only way to fix it really is to just rewrite the whole thing". Not a great sign there.
Just because one says it doesn't mean it's correct. Yeah, it's broken, but yeah, it can be fixed without reinventing the wheel.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 10/05/2011, 12:25 PMA few people have expressed interest, but without something worthwhile of recommendation... well, you know.
ChrisBee wants to start up his own group, but he said he doesn't really code. I think he wants to learn though. mrhaboobi is obviously interested too. I think HuC's limitations really squashed any early attempts at greatness... people like Trilinear just packed up their toys and went home once they found out how broken it was.
And we mustn't forget about hcf. He's a pretty serious coder too.
My question was who would care about a new C tool? The question becomes "is it worth it to organize a widescale, done-up-nicely" released version with documents/explanations/etc..... or a "yeah 3 of us care so heres the .zip of the current fix" hack job.
Doesn't hcf do asm?
I know Tom is of the "go asm or go home" walk.
Touko seems to be fine in asm, but maybe he would like a new HuC? Touko? What say you!
If some of the original Zeograd.com demo creators showed up expressing interest, man that would be awesome. Where did they all go?
Quote from: The Old Rover on 10/05/2011, 01:45 PMJust because one says it doesn't mean it's correct. Yeah, it's broken, but yeah, it can be fixed without reinventing the wheel.
Oh I wasn't saying it was correct, I was just giving reasons why HuC is dead in the water right now. I asked questions, made comments, got responses, and drew my own conclusions about the status of the thing.
Well, it almost makes me want to just reinvent hulib for cc65. heh.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 10/05/2011, 01:54 PMWell, it almost makes me want to just reinvent hulib for cc65. heh.
Who knows, it might be worth the effort. lol
I think you would find that newbies to any platform ( like myself ) would rather attack it in C then ASM in the first instance, have a decent C plaftorm would make things easier, yaroze was C and then converted to C++, Psyq ( the proper pfx tools ) did allow C and ASM, and sure ASM makes alot of sense, but personally for me it would be easier to start in C and then transition if i need to.
oh, a new release of huc will be fine ..
For now i'am using huc only for banks mapping (because his ASM generated code is too dirty) , and i have 85/90% of assembly in my current project ..
And of course with custom libs .
And i agree with rover for goto in C, this is very usefull for speed, and code size reduction ..
Well HuC in it's current form is fine for noobinators, since its not like you'll spot all the disasters until you're really entrenched.
Well I'd be interested in a less buggy release. I did some x86 assembly when I was younger, but now the only two languages I kinda know are C and Python. I keep planning on trying to build a little something in HuC, but I always put it off because of how finicky people say it is.
I think that having a C compiler that works as expected would be really useful in getting new people coding for the platform.
Behold... the covert art. :)
/msrcover4.jpg
:)
Looks good so far. Do you plan to clean up the SuperCD and HE System logos a bit? Those make it seem a bit rough..
I thought he was groping her and got all excited!
Quote from: OldRover on 10/11/2011, 12:55 AMBehold... the covert art. :)
/msrcover4.jpg
Me likey!
Quote from: OldRover on 10/11/2011, 12:55 AMBehold... the covert art. :)
/msrcover4.jpg
That is really excellent!! The four people on the cover, what are they're names?
play the game and you'll find out!
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 10/11/2011, 10:31 AMThe four people on the cover, what are they're names?
I count five.....
Quote from: NecroPhile on 10/11/2011, 10:55 AMQuote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 10/11/2011, 10:31 AMThe four people on the cover, what are they're names?
I count five.....
One's a ginger. Do they count as people now?
Quote from: grahf on 10/11/2011, 09:26 AMLooks good so far. Do you plan to clean up the SuperCD and HE System logos a bit? Those make it seem a bit rough..
Black Tiger submitted the base image along with a low-res assembled test image. What you're seeing is the low-res assembled test image on the front there. The base image is extremely hi-res and doesn't have the logos, so new logos can be put onto it. So no worries... cleaner logos will be put on before this goes to manufacturing. I just printed these up to show off roughly how this will look when finished.
...and tharr be more... arr...
/msrcover2.jpg
/msrcover3.jpg
im digging the back.
The back image is awesome, but I'd like to see perhaps a black bar on left with some screenshots and game info, maybe copyright info and logo along the bottom. That kind of stuff makes it look more authentic I think.
I was considering putting something on the back... but I'm not sure. The insert art is a photograph of an actual painting by Rose-Marie Kossowan. I don't think I wanna mess with it. :)
Quote from: grahf on 10/11/2011, 09:26 AMLooks good so far. Do you plan to clean up the SuperCD and HE System logos a bit? Those make it seem a bit rough..
Any reason why you chose the PC Engine logo over the Turbo Duo logo?
Quote from: guest on 10/11/2011, 10:54 AMplay the game and you'll find out!
I was mostly just wondering if the blue haired dude was Tiger...lol
Quote from: hoobs88 on 10/11/2011, 02:21 PMAny reason why you chose the PC Engine logo over the Turbo Duo logo?
I think he chose the PC Engine logo because we found a clean version of it. I don't know. :)
Quote from: The Old Rover on 10/11/2011, 02:48 PMQuote from: hoobs88 on 10/11/2011, 02:21 PMAny reason why you chose the PC Engine logo over the Turbo Duo logo?
I think he chose the PC Engine logo because we found a clean version of it. I don't know. :)
just scan any game and photoshop it.. lol duh.
I scanned the logos off my copy of Dragon Half for Insanity.
The back could use a few screenshots though. Put them in a scatter on the back, like 3 screen shots in a > pattern....and then maybe duplicate the artwork for the manual so theres an unmolestered one to.
by > pattern, I mean
one here
one here
one here
:)
I don't have any games to scan... oh well. :D
There are clean vector logos out on the internets. I have them as well if you need them.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 10/11/2011, 02:52 PMI don't have any games to scan... oh well. :D
You have Insanity, numbnuts!
Paul, that'd be great... when you get a chance. :)
Quote from: The Old Rover on 10/11/2011, 02:03 PMI was considering putting something on the back... but I'm not sure. The insert art is a photograph of an actual painting by Rose-Marie Kossowan. I don't think I wanna mess with it. :)
It would be a bad idea not to put "Frozen Utopia" somewhere on the outside of the packaging.
Since it is a nice painting, how about shrinking it to make a normal back insert and then using either the back of the manual or the the inside of the tray card for a second, unmarred reproduction? (Even with an opaque, black tray, it would be a fun easter egg.)
I still have my Gate of Thunder insert file with all logos, text, and legalese saved as separate layers. I'd be happy to put a rear insert together if you'd like. (See here: http://www.mediafire.com/?gv5i1xusbplquiw )
I agree with Vestcunt, that the back image would look great under the CD inside the case.
However, if it were to stay as is, I'd have no complaints.
Quote from: guest on 10/11/2011, 01:17 PMQuote from: NecroPhile on 10/11/2011, 10:55 AMQuote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 10/11/2011, 10:31 AMThe four people on the cover, what are they're names?
I count five.....
One's a ginger. Do they count as people now?
I guess that means there's only three people on the cover then. :wink:
This is more like what I had in mind-
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510161108im_/https://www.superpcenginegrafx.net/ms/mkt.jpg)
I think that the HE system/PCE logo is more universal and looks much better overall, but a reversable Turbo branded manual back would be very cool to include. If a clear tray with printed inner insert is doable, then this painting is a good candidate. But the example above is more or less how I imagined it before doing anything. This or the cover background painting could be used in a subtle way as part of the CD label art.
Quote from: hoobs88 on 10/11/2011, 02:21 PMQuote from: grahf on 10/11/2011, 09:26 AMLooks good so far. Do you plan to clean up the SuperCD and HE System logos a bit? Those make it seem a bit rough..
Any reason why you chose the PC Engine logo over the Turbo Duo logo?
Those are placeholders in the exact position as they appear on the LoXII cover. That entire image is rough. The real image is 600dpi.
I'd be fine with the HE logo minus the "PC Engine". Here's a glorius full TTi version for all the Turbo fans:
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190510161108im_/https://www.superpcenginegrafx.net/ms/mtti.jpg)
Quote from: OldRover on 10/11/2011, 01:18 PM...and tharr be more... arr...
Sweet. I know I'm late to the party, but it's starting to look like I showed up just in time! ^^b
In my own personal opinion, including the HE System and Super CD-ROM^2 logos should be sufficient.
If you absolutely have to include the PCE or Duo logo as well, it'd make far more sense to use the TurboDuo logo since this is a U.S. release in English/French language. It is not a Japanese game, and does not contain a Japanese language option.
All that said, I'd personally just stick with the HE System and Super CD-ROM logos since those are universal.
Looks great can't wait.
Why not a reversible cover? PCE on one side, TG16 on the other.
The screenshots need a border or something to set them off from the background.
I second the HE System + Super CD-Rom logo. No PC Engine or Duo logos.
Holy shit, Paul: nice work! I really like that, and exactly as you have it, actually. It looks really authentic. True, the DUO logo takes up some space, but that's how they looked back in the day. Really, really cool.
I just pre-ordered. I think that the cover art looks pretty good in its current mock up form, and am really looking forward to the game!
Nice work BT!
Quote from: guest on 10/12/2011, 08:18 AMThe screenshots need a border or something to set them off from the background.
I was thinking the same thing. Too flat as is.
Perhaps include the beautiful artwork as a lithocard inside the manual?
Or a map ala Dragon Slayer?
Quote from: Keranu on 10/12/2011, 05:18 PMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 10/12/2011, 08:18 AMThe screenshots need a border or something to set them off from the background.
I was thinking the same thing. Too flat as is.
Of course, we don't know yet if this game is actually any good. So if the game happens to suck, take away the screen shots entirely; because back in the day shitty games could always be identified by the lack of screenshots. Don't break that tradition! :wink:
Quote from: guest on 10/12/2011, 07:33 PMQuote from: Keranu on 10/12/2011, 05:18 PMQuote from: guest on 10/12/2011, 08:18 AMThe screenshots need a border or something to set them off from the background.
I was thinking the same thing. Too flat as is.
Of course, we don't know yet if this game is actually any good. So if the game happens to suck, take away the screen shots entirely; because back in the day shitty games could always be identified by the lack of screenshots. Don't break that tradition! :wink:
That would suggest that Dragon Slayer sucked......& that, good sir, is one of my favorite games ever. You have insulted my children, & my children's children, & I challenge you to a duel of banjo's!
Seriously though, that's the first game that came to mind that, as far as I can recall, had no pic's on the back, & it's one of my fav's!
Quote from: guest on 10/11/2011, 10:36 PMI'd be fine with the HE logo minus the "PC Engine". Here's a glorius full TTi version for all the Turbo fans:
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That is the most wonderful thing I've ever seen!!! PLEASE INCLUDE a US Duo cover version!! Oh man, I love the way this looks!!
I'm all for a Turbob branded manual (ike nat said - this ain't a Japanese game), just don't do one like that. Why shrink the artwork and burn up 40% of the cover with nothing?
That isn't 'nothing' its the style of the last year and a half of Duo in the US!!
It would look awfully nice sitting next to DEII, Therons Quest, Beyond Shadowgate, and M&M III. But I can see how some might not like it.
Yeah that's a tough one. I love the Duo "borders" novelty, but the full art might work better in this case, ala Lords of Thunder.
I really like the idea of the reversible PC Engine cover, but if the instruction manual is used for the cover (as real TG16/Duo games are), then we'd be missing out on the hilarious "Have you tried these Super CD games?" page. The one thing that disappointed me about every homebrew game released to date is how this piece of Turbo nostalgia was left out! We already have three homebrew games we could list there and maybe even include upcoming releases.
Also to Nodtveidt/Arkhan/whoever else would know: is there an option to make the border of the jewel case black instead of white? I noticed Insanity had a white border like PCE (and select few US) releases did.
Whatever theme you decide, give some thought to your future releases. I'm a big fan of a consistent format and packaging design.
Quote from: Keranu on 10/13/2011, 05:44 PMAlso to Nodtveidt/Arkhan/whoever else would know: is there an option to make the border of the jewel case black instead of white? I noticed Insanity had a white border like PCE (and select few US) releases did.
I'd also like to see a black tray. Whatever you do, don't make it clear like modern music jewel cases!
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 10/13/2011, 05:01 PMThat isn't 'nothing' its the style of the last year and a half of Duo in the US!!
It would look awfully nice sitting next to DEII, Therons Quest, Beyond Shadowgate, and M&M III. But I can see how some might not like it.
It's a nice sentiment, but I think it's better without the borders. CD cover art is already small enough. Even once the scuffs are fixed, the fact that I'd be looking at a scanned reproduction would always be nagging in the back of my mind. If you want to get technical about it, Exile 2 should be the precedent for third-party, independently-distributed games from 1993.
How about a slip cover then?
Gonna stick with what it's got for now in terms of front cover art. I think that the artwork stands alone, honestly... the DUO type cover is cool, but I think it takes too much away from the artwork. As for the back cover... yeah, we'll add some screenies and text to it to make it look "official". :D
Doesn't matter either way for me, but I can see people commissioning custom covers through Sparky..lol
This looks really, really cool. Wish I could play CDs!!!
Congrats on finishing what looks to be a really fine project!
Just a quick lil heads-up... the dialogue translation came to an end tonight. It was the absolute last item on the list of things to fix in the game proper. Some things cannot be translated without rewriting serious portions of the game code, so some things are going to remain in English. There are only two minor details left to attack: some minor timing issues on a couple of the cutscenes, and one of the bonus features was rewritten from the ground up a few months ago and it has just a little more code left to write (I was not satisfied with its original performance... the new version is fast as hell!). The Spanish and French translations just need a quick playthrough (it takes about six hours for me to do this, using a built-in cheat and extensive knowledge of the game itself). Everything else is already ironed out, and no new reports have come in for quite awhile now.
Hey Rover - have you talked to Aaron or Nat about getting some fanfare on PCEFX when this thing is released? Forum announcements are good, but it would be great to see an ad or banner on the home page. This has been such a long-term project that it's easy to forgot what a big deal it is, and it IS a big deal. The work on MS was one of the first things I read about when I joined the forums and has been a major topic for over six years. MS will be the most ambitious game released for the TG/PCE in over a decade. Not only have you done an unbelievable amount of work, but I'd guess that dozens of members here have been involved to various degrees, from the rest of the Frozen Utopia team, to the beta testers, to forum noobs cheering the project along.
Quote from: guest on 10/16/2011, 03:04 PMMS will be the most ambitious game released for the TG/PCE in over a decade.
It will be the most ambitious PCE hombrew
ever once released :D ! The future's looking bright, gotta wear shades. 8)
Quote from: guest on 10/16/2011, 03:04 PMHey Rover - have you talked to Aaron or Nat about getting some fanfare on PCEFX when this thing is released?
This isn't a bad idea, I'll suggest it to Aaron.
I would like to see a spread on Kotaku myself. Gets the word out, and you should be able to sell more from the free marketing and word of mouth.
Kotaku might be good once it's released, but I sure wouldn't want anyone there catching wind of it prior...
Hell, you even need to be concerned about who gets their hands on the game before and after release. Before you know it, it'll be on every damn ROM site on the web for free download.
I honestly don't mind it being "shared". We're not in this for the money. Any profits made from sales past production costs go towards new equipment and future pressings. I plan on using some of the profits to obtain a new cakebox of archival CDRs that can be used for future PCE hardware testing, as well as a PC-FX machine which will be used to make future PC-FX games as soon as the toolchain is stable and mature enough (it's getting there... it's almost production quality, from what I can tell). But the majority will go towards the pressing of Jungle Bros and Neutopia III.
The whole reason we're doing a pressing to begin with is because that's what the community asked for. It'll be shared pretty quickly, I'm positive of that. But then again, anything worth stealing is worth paying for, so if it gets heavily pirated, I guess that means that it's worth something. :)
Man, I have missed a LOT! I lost my damn bookmark somehow!
Okay, looks great! Either cover! I don't care which! ...I think my heartrate is nearing the 120 bpm mark.
Also, Neotopia III?!?!? What???? When did this happen to where you can just so nonchalantly throw that name around???? :)
Sincerely,
Excited Mati
Fuck Kotaku. Bunch of hipster gaming chowdercocks.
:)
I can pimp the game for you at CCAG in May/June/whenever it is in 2012. My TurbobTable draws a pretty solid crowd once they see this crap in action.
Quote from: OldRover on 10/16/2011, 08:50 PMBut the majority will go towards the pressing of Jungle Bros and Neutopia III.
Hmm do i hear a pre order coming soon then?
Jungle Bros is on standby while the designer is away, and we're just getting warmed up with Neutopia III now that we have a dedicated artist for it. In the meantime, we're also going to do some other things, such as our other platformer, and we're still also preparing for a side-scrolling brawler a la Final Fight.
Quote from: guest on 10/16/2011, 10:28 PMFuck Kotaku. Bunch of hipster gaming chowdercocks.
So tell me, how do you
really feel? :-k :)
Quote from: The Old Rover on 10/16/2011, 11:22 PMJungle Bros is on standby while the designer is away, and we're just getting warmed up with Neutopia III now that we have a dedicated artist for it. In the meantime, we're also going to do some other things, such as our other platformer, and we're still also preparing for a side-scrolling brawler a la Final Fight.
I know Final Fight is considered the original, but I'd rather see Streets of Rage as the model for beat 'em ups, if only do the larger variety of player actions. Then again, there are so many mods for Streets of Rage-style reproductions that perhaps sticking to the more stolid Final Fight might actually give it some originality (ironically). Nobody has really done a good weapon-based brawler in the vein of Golden Axe, though.
I use Final Fight as an example... it's just a style of side-scrolling beat-em-up type games. Doing something like Golden Axe though... hrm... interesting idea...
Just be sure to include a barrage of "Bullwinkles" to the sound effects!
On October 18th, 2011, at 12:25 AM Atlantic Standard Time, major production of Mysterious Song officially drew to a close. We are now at RC2 status... nothing more will be added to the game. The final test is already underway, and if all the lights are green, we will be off to manufacturing by the end of the week. I will personally be spending most of the next 60 hours testing the game myself.
You heard right, folks...
PRODUCTION IS OVER.
:dance: :dance: :dance:
Woo-Hoo!!!
:dance: :dance: :dance:
PHOTOSHOPPED.
Quote from: OldRover on 10/16/2011, 11:22 PMJungle Bros is on standby while the designer is away, and we're just getting warmed up with Neutopia III now that we have a dedicated artist for it. In the meantime, we're also going to do some other things, such as our other platformer, and we're still also preparing for a side-scrolling brawler a la Final Fight.
And...perhaps one more game that some of us have done some work for......if we can convince Nod/Rover to code it, even if it has zero paralax :D
Quote from: OldRover on 10/17/2011, 01:34 AMI use Final Fight as an example... it's just a style of side-scrolling beat-em-up type games. Doing something like Golden Axe though... hrm... interesting idea...
Hmm, Golden Axe eh? What a novel idea, it'd be cool if someone did something "like" Golden Axe! The Turbo really could use more Golden Axe type games, or hell, atleast a decent port of that damn game! :-k
SILVER SWORD.
BRASS KNUCKLES
MONKEY NUTS.
Monkey nuts... LMAO!!!
WOO! I was worried the game had shipped already, can't wait to get my preordered copy! :mrgreen:
When will the first copies be shipped?
As soon as it's manufactured and the boxes arrive in Illinois. The game will be going off to press as soon as the gold CDRs arrive here at my office, which should be just a couple of days from now. It'll take about a month to manufacture since the company has a lot of orders ahead of ours. That's why I estimate distribution in early December.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 11/01/2011, 02:28 PMAs soon as it's manufactured and the boxes arrive in Illinois. The game will be going off to press as soon as the gold CDRs arrive here at my office, which should be just a couple of days from now. It'll take about a month to manufacture since the company has a lot of orders ahead of ours. That's why I estimate distribution in early December.
which fothermuckers did you go with for pressing?
A new Turbo game for Christmas? I like it!
Quote from: guest on 11/01/2011, 02:34 PMwhich fothermuckers did you go with for pressing?
Same guys you did.
Oh, coo.
Sucks about having a long wait. It only took me a little over a week. They would've been a week exactly, but Oops doesn't run on Saturday. :-/
Congrats Rover! That is great news that the game is ready and the covers look beautiful. Can't wait till the game arrives and I'm excited that you extended the pre-order bonus :)
Can't wait, really looking forward to this!
It will be a Merry (or Mysterious) Christmas for me this year! :D
It's officially early December. Let's keep the hype train rolling!
*gets out the cocaine*
YEAH LETS GO!
That's the spirit!
Just waiting on our translator to put the final touches on the Spanish translation.
Quote"I am still finsihing up on the final Spanish Translation stuff..
I know I suck and am a slow poke, but when I send in reports to Nod he is really quick to get things fixed up and taken care of.
Please be patient..
We have made a lot of progress..
I will keep the fixes coming...
I am doing the best I can.
I want this things polished off and out the door just like everyone else.
I will hurry.."
You know, I almost forgot that I already paid for MSR! I was about to ask how to order a copy, and then I said, "Wait a second..."
MSR MSR MSR!!!!!
I apologize if I missed this skipping through the thread, but is there a way to see if I already pre-ordered or not? I'm PRETTY sure I did?
www.paypal.com ----> view history?
That's my best guess/idea.
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 12/06/2011, 10:09 AMwww.paypal.com ----> view history?
That's my best guess/idea.
That's what I did. Granted, I had to go back a couple years, but it was there.
This topic confused me at first. Every time I see the letters MSR I think of Metropolis Street Racer(dreamcast)
Glad to see the games done been reading about this for months lol. Looking to pick 1 up, Same paypal addy?
Okay, I want to order one. What do I do?
Just click the buy now button here:
https://web.archive.org/web/2000/http://www.frozenutopia.com/index.html
Quote from: Neo Rasa on 12/06/2011, 09:52 AMI apologize if I missed this skipping through the thread, but is there a way to see if I already pre-ordered or not? I'm PRETTY sure I did?
Send The Old Rover or me a PM with your full name or Pay Pal email and we can check to see if you're on the list.
ah, also must get me one of these one day :)
Why does the topic say MSR is cancelled on the main page....? lol
LOL :D
:mrgreen: :mrgreen:
oh. I see now.
Quote from: guest on 12/08/2011, 11:00 AMoh. I see now.
They got me once before to. Damn tats
Any update on the project?
no but your avatar is fantastic.
Quote from: Marll on 12/13/2011, 11:33 AMAny update on the project?
AFAIK, we're still waiting for the finishing of some tweaking of the Spanish script, so no, no news yet sadly. :(
I think "finished" in the sense of this game means that you might have a copy in your hands in the next six months to a year. MSR has its own language.
Maybe it's only 85% finished and they're waiting until it's 90% finished before they can release it. :mrgreen:
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 12/13/2011, 07:06 PMI think "finished" in the sense of this game means that you might have a copy in your hands in the next six months to a year. MSR has its own language.
Exactly ;)
Don't worry, I'm confident that a tangible item will ship within five years.
Personally, I don't mind waiting. ;)
It really is just the final revision of the Spanish text that is left to update.
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Here is what the final cover art looks like.
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Love the cover art! I did notice that you don't have a Frozen Utopia logo anywhere; deliberate, or mistake? I think it could easily be put in the lower right corner. Without it, something just feels kinda off, like something's missing. I think it's because game companies almost always puts their logo on the cover.
Just a thought.
PHOTOSHO...
oh wait.
lol
I think the title logo needs to be a bit bigger.
Quote from: Arjak on 12/14/2011, 12:12 PMLove the cover art! I did notice that you don't have a Frozen Utopia logo anywhere; deliberate, or mistake? I think it could easily be put in the lower right corner. Without it, something just feels kinda off, like something's missing. I think it's because game companies almost always puts their logo on the cover.
Just a thought.
I thought the same thing until I looked at a couple hundred PCE games. I took into account the composition when covers did and didn't incorporate company logos. If the character art collaged within CD cover dimesions more like I had originally expected, the MS logo would be in the middle and the FU logo would be at the bottom, like it is in the rough mockup I made. I tried putting in the FU logo, but it looks forced and un-PCE cover-like. It would look more in line if this were a modern game cover in which spamming logos is more important than the artwork.
The Frozen Utopia logo is on the back and is balanced in line with similar PCE game packaging.
The MS logo is already bigger than most PCE game cover logos and I actually had to do my best to keep it that large while balanced with the art.
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 12/13/2011, 06:24 PMQuote from: Marll on 12/13/2011, 11:33 AMAny update on the project?
AFAIK, we're still waiting for the finishing of some tweaking of the Spanish script, so no, no news yet sadly. :(
Just google translate that shit yo :-p
Quote from: Senshi on 12/14/2011, 01:58 PMJust google translate that shit yo :-p
That was the localization approach for Castle Shikigami 2 and look how great that turned out :-D
You might need to move the CD Rom logo in a bit, it's very close to the cut edge. If you're having these digitally printed, you stand a good chance of it being chopped into if it stays that close.
Quote from: guest on 12/14/2011, 05:54 PMYou might need to move the CD Rom logo in a bit, it's very close to the cut edge. If you're having these digitally printed, you stand a good chance of it being chopped into if it stays that close.
If the manufacturer says that their printing isn't very accurate, then I'll reposition them. For now, they're exactly where they appear on PCE games.
Quote from: guest on 12/14/2011, 05:54 PMYou might need to move the CD Rom logo in a bit, it's very close to the cut edge. If you're having these digitally printed, you stand a good chance of it being chopped into if it stays that close.
theyre using my presser. The template has a cutedge, so just dont put it in there. :) Itll be legit.
B_T: sorry to bug you. I love the cover you designed. I know you didn't solicit for any comments/suggestions, so forgive me!
IMHO, the only thing I would tweak is the title "Mysterious Song"—it does not clearly stand out from the images. Possible solutions? I think that stroke (outside, black, a few pixels larger than currently shown) might do the trick. It would ruin the nice thin black line outline, though, but the alternatives (like a subtle semi-sharp shadow) may not fit the aesthetic style you were going for.
And/or...shrink the title put it off-center.
I'll stop with the unsolicited comments. I just wanted to give my 2 rubles of advice. Don't hate me! I love all your work ;)
The games already done in 2 languages, so, as far as I'm concerned, it's done & ready to go out the door. All I need is some basic english to get by. When I go out to eat, I just say "I need ham, 1 ham please! Please be giving the ham to eating the ham!"
Horn guy looks bad ass.
Oh, & for the record, I can only think of one of our games, that's actually in progress, that could be stalled by translation, & that's Monolith. But, if it does get stalled, you can blame Tat's for that :D Jungle Bros. has no dialogue, & very little text(probably just the title screen & end credits), Valkyrie Midnight I don't think will have text, though it'll probably have limited voice acting. I don't foresee that game being multi-lingual. I'm not sure on Dragon Arm, there'll probably be minimal text & dialogue. Another project that BT & I are working on will be english only AFAIK. I think Metro Blaster & Xymati both will have limited text &/or dialogue. So, unless things change, our announced games can't be affected other then Mono I would think.
Quote from: esteban on 12/14/2011, 09:36 PMB_T: sorry to bug you. I love the cover you designed. I know you didn't solicit for any comments/suggestions, so forgive me!
IMHO, the only thing I would tweak is the title "Mysterious Song"—it does not clearly stand out from the images. Possible solutions? I think that stroke (outside, black, a few pixels larger than currently shown) might do the trick. It would ruin the nice thin black line outline, though, but the alternatives (like a subtle semi-sharp shadow) may not fit the aesthetic style you were going for.
And/or...shrink the title put it off-center.
I'll stop with the unsolicited comments. I just wanted to give my 2 rubles of advice. Don't hate me! I love all your work ;)
I'll try some more tests, but what I've learned so far is that downsized pics make text and logos much harder to read than the full sized image, which looks fine when printed out by my inkjet printer.
QuoteHorn guy looks bad ass.
I added the helmet to the character design, because I wanted him to have a mysterious and intimidating presence early on like Thulsa Doom and Death Adder. Before his face is revealed, you don't even know if he looks human. It also plays into some specific dialogue in the second cinema.
make sure you do the printout in CMYK when you check "is this readable". Your presser is going to use CMYK!
Though, this really only affects on-screen colors. What happens if you make the logo have a yellow border, or if you bevel the text to make it pop out a bit?
I don't know much about this stuff since I blow at art-assembling.
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 12/15/2011, 02:01 PMmake sure you do the printout in CMYK when you check "is this readable". Your presser is going to use CMYK!
Though, this really only affects on-screen colors. What happens if you make the logo have a yellow border, or if you bevel the text to make it pop out a bit?
I don't know much about this stuff since I blow at art-assembling.
Thanks for the heads up. My printer is cmyk, so it should give me a good idea of what the color balance will look like. :)
Yeah. plus you aren't artarded, so you do good with it anyway. RGB just looks more vibrant usually.
Theres that neat photoshop button: Layers--->Style w/ all the bevel/emboss buttons. www.aetherbyte.com abuses that stuff
Quote from: guest on 12/14/2011, 12:35 PMI think the title logo needs to be a bit bigger.
And cover the boobies?? =(
Quote from: MotherGunner on 12/15/2011, 04:07 PMQuote from: guest on 12/14/2011, 12:35 PMI think the title logo needs to be a bit bigger.
And cover the boobies?? =(
I thought a while ago the game was renamed Mysterious Dong, so covering up the boobies would be appropriate.
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 12/15/2011, 01:19 AMOh, & for the record, I can only think of one of our games, that's actually in progress, that could be stalled by translation, & that's Monolith. But, if it does get stalled, you can blame Tat's for that :D ... I think Metro Blaster & Xymati both will have limited text &/or dialogue. So, unless things change, our announced games can't be affected other then Mono I would think.
None of these projects are under the Frozen Utopia label; they're under the Eponasoft label, where things work quite a bit differently. :)
Quote from: TheClash603 on 12/14/2011, 11:47 PMHorn guy looks bad ass.
Agreed! Very Skyrim and Bad Ass.
Quote from: MotherGunner on 12/15/2011, 04:07 PMQuote from: guest on 12/14/2011, 12:35 PMI think the title logo needs to be a bit bigger.
And cover the boobies?? =(
Then make the boobies bigger as well. Simple!
Quote from: OldRover on 12/15/2011, 11:25 PMQuote from: ParanoiaDragon on 12/15/2011, 01:19 AMOh, & for the record, I can only think of one of our games, that's actually in progress, that could be stalled by translation, & that's Monolith. But, if it does get stalled, you can blame Tat's for that :D ... I think Metro Blaster & Xymati both will have limited text &/or dialogue. So, unless things change, our announced games can't be affected other then Mono I would think.
None of these projects are under the Frozen Utopia label; they're under the Eponasoft label, where things work quite a bit differently. :)
True dat! :)
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 12/15/2011, 03:49 PMYeah. plus you aren't artarded, so you do good with it anyway. RGB just looks more vibrant usually.
Theres that neat photoshop button: Layers--->Style w/ all the bevel/emboss buttons. www.aetherbyte.com abuses that stuff
Yeah, I abuse those effects for the logos and buttons on my site too. :P
I gave the logos and top character a buffer, based on the templates you pointed me towards. I also increased the outer lining of the logo-
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I printed out the cover full sized in both RGB and CYMK and there is very little difference with my printer. I think that the cell-shaded style kept it from having any anomalies. Although I don't think most people would notice the difference, the copy that I converted to CYMK before printing does look slightly more vibrant.
The main character has sensitive puppy dog eyes. He is not a tough dude.
The main character is always a kinda sissy, but then he gets it on with the heroine and proves himself while highfiving his sidekick who cries himself to sleep
Quote from: guest on 12/19/2011, 10:52 AMThe main character has sensitive puppy dog eyes. He is not a tough dude.
He is harsh emo, just like most JRPG main characters from FFVII onward. He does turn "tough" and loses the "puppy dog" eyes in one particular scene though. :wink:
-MSR is finished !
-Oh yeah? How much is it finished?
-A lot!
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Quote from: shubibiman on 12/19/2011, 02:04 PM-MSR is finished !
-Oh yeah? How much is it finished?
-A lot!
LOL
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Well, no more pre-order periods will ever be done again. Fuck this.
My pre-order periods are usually pretty heavy. I have to wear 32 tampons.
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Honestly, who cares about this spanish translation anyway? Has the guy supposed to be doing it given you any news in the last couple of weeks or months? If not, then you can dump this version and send the copies to press.
I think it's a good idea. Most of us know what's it's like to be on the wrong side of a language barrier and I'm sure plenty of people will appreciate the Spanish text.
BTW, if your translator needs any help, my girlfriend is a fluent medical interpreter in Spanish and I speak some. We'd be happy to help.
Quote from: VestCunt on 12/24/2011, 08:14 PMI think it's a good idea. Most of us know what's it's like to be on the wrong side of a language barrier and I'm sure plenty of people will appreciate the Spanish text.
BTW, if your translator needs any help, my girlfriend is a fluent medical interpreter in Spanish and I speak some. We'd be happy to help.
Fuckin google translate that shit and be done with it.
It's not like you've got spanish cutscenes, and it's not like broken translations weren't good enough commercially.
Good translation is as much of an art as good game design. I hope your approach to game design and programming isn't the same as "Google translate is good enough".
Quote from: guest on 12/25/2011, 04:35 PMGood translation is as much of an art as good game design. I hope your approach to game design and programming isn't the same as "Google translate is good enough".
its sure isn't.
My point is, MSR has been a WIP for like 349 years, and if all we're waiting on is a spanish translation, there are other ways to do it than waiting for some slowpoke to finally do it.
Thing is, there are darn well near enough native Spanish speakers in and around the US that finding someone to get some remaining bits of text translated should not be a problem. Of all the languages that we should NOT have a problem getting translations for, Spanish should be the key one.
It's all already translated. The translation just needs corrections. It wasn't done completely correctly the first time. And it's not like I can send this off right now anyway, so I'm not even worried about it until January. It can't be sent off till 2012. My wife said that she will do it during her time off if it's not done in the next couple of days.
And once the game is released, I AM GOING TO ERADICATE THE SOURCE. I never want to look at it again.
so, the translator fucked up? That sucks. How bad is it compared to Google translate?
English---> spanish translation is a bit more clean cut than going to Japanese at least.
How bad are the errors anyway?
Google translate sucks major balls for Spanish. And the errors are not bad, but that's not the point... an error is an error, and I have extremely high standards for quality. And I don't care if "that's how it was back then"... this isn't back then, I'm not them, and I won't release a shitty translation.
So yeah... heh. :D
Hey man, I dunno about you, but I love when my games say things like "Do not has erase data"
ENGRISH FWT!
VICTOLY
Badly translated games piss me off. They interrupt the suspension of disbelief and create stupid internet memes.
Quote from: OldRover on 12/26/2011, 04:42 PMAnd once the game is released, I AM GOING TO ERADICATE THE SOURCE. I never want to look at it again.
Have you considered publically releasing it instead, at least after all the copies are sold?
Quote from: arromdee on 12/27/2011, 01:23 PMHave you considered publically releasing it instead, at least after all the copies are sold?
Nope. Won't either. I never want to see it again, and that includes in a publicly-available form. :)
Release an obfuscated version!
itll be an adventure.
The time it would take to make an obfuscated version... would be better spent making new games. :P
Quote from: The Old Rover on 12/27/2011, 01:38 PMThe time it would take to make an obfuscated version... would be better spent making new games. :P
dude they make auto obfuscators, duhrrr
or just release the machine code. HEXPWN.
Meh. The code's ugly anyway. I'd release the source code of Monorisu before I'd release the source code of MSR.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 12/27/2011, 03:42 PMMeh. The code's ugly anyway. I'd release the source code of Monorisu before I'd release the source code of MSR.
YOURE UGLY ANYWAY!1!1!
YEAH.
:)
I dunno, releasing the sauce of MSR would be beneficial, if we could get the 48 people who started RPGs to come back to coding PCE games.
Like DamageX and Undine. srsly.
No way. I'd rather code up something brand new, with new capabilities. MSR's code is a nightmare and became more and more difficult to maintain over time.
You still shouldnt scrap it. Never know when you may need/want to look back at it. Or keep it as a reminder never to do such a complicated game again. :wink: Either way, congrats on the project and thanks again for everything you're doing for the PCE scene, bro!
Print all of the source code out, take it to Kinko's and have them bind the bitch up for you.
Don't throw out the code. Enough pieces of TurboGrafx history have been lost. No one knows what the future holds.
Alphabetize the lines of code and send it to RegalSin. He'll figure it out.
Quote from: NecroPhile on 01/03/2012, 10:49 AMAlphabetize the lines of code and send it to RegalSin. He'll figure it out.
good idea.
Once again I lose my bookmark on this thread and now things seem dire. What's going on with MSR as of now, Rovie?
Just waiting for touch up's on the esponal version, I think he might have someone else handle it IIRC?
:(
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 01/08/2012, 02:23 AMJust waiting for touch up's on the esponal version, I think he might have someone else handle it IIRC?
That and Rovie has been especially (and annoyingly) emo lately. Poor old feller...
Emo? :P
By the way... we're tired of waiting for him to come around. My wife is going to personally see to the corrections today. After she's done, it'll be given a final build and test run by myself (UGH and it's gonna take three tests) and that'll be the end of it. It will be off to press in a couple of days, provided we can get teh money moved around quick enough. Shouldn't be a problem.
Have you ever had a song that you really, really liked... but you heard it played on the radio so many times that it became irritating? Imagine that song being played nonstop for the next three months, and you're forced to listen to every second of it after you're already irritated with it. That's how I now feel about this game.
Quote from: OldRover on 01/08/2012, 11:02 AMHave you ever had a song that you really, really liked... but you heard it played on the radio so many times that it became irritating? Imagine that song being played nonstop for the next three months, and you're forced to listen to every second of it after you're already irritated with it. That's how I now feel about this game.
That is truly horrid. I know exactly what you mean :(
Now, just to clarify, you are shipping the game in Esperanto as well, correct?
:)
I want to pre-order this game too but I need to know the following.
1. The original creator of this game, Whats up with that person, in all of this?
2. What is the game going to be released in? A double CD case, with front, back art, and instructional manual including spine card?
Regalsin, politely to the "closed" thread that you tried to answer the same person.
I am asking the original poster, not you
Quote from: esteban on 01/09/2012, 03:46 PMQuote from: OldRover on 01/08/2012, 11:02 AMHave you ever had a song that you really, really liked... but you heard it played on the radio so many times that it became irritating? Imagine that song being played nonstop for the next three months, and you're forced to listen to every second of it after you're already irritated with it. That's how I now feel about this game.
That is truly horrid. I know exactly what you mean :(
Now, just to clarify, you are shipping the game in Esperanto as well, correct?
:)
Lol, esperanto. One of my uncles worked for esperanto his whole life. :)
@rovie, why not change the tracks temporary for the time of testing etc.? :)
I wish this experience hasn't been such a pain for you, Rovie. It'll be over soon and the best part is coming up-shipment and fan reaction. :) ...which, I guess, could be the worst part in some cases. But, I am rooting for you! :D
Quote from: RegalSin on 01/09/2012, 08:11 PMI want to pre-order this game too but I need to know the following.
1. The original creator of this game, Whats up with that person, in all of this?
2. What is the game going to be released in? A double CD case, with front, back art, and instructional manual including spine card?
the original creator sailed to mars in a magical ship
and the game is going to be released on solid gold discs wrapped in adamantium casing with manuals etched in runes.
Quote from: guest on 01/10/2012, 01:17 AMthe game is going to be released on solid gold discs wrapped in adamantium casing with manuals etched in runes.
Is that going to affect the price any?
I thought Arkhan was banned. Welcome back.
Quote from: Mishran on 01/10/2012, 01:28 AMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 01/10/2012, 01:17 AMthe game is going to be released on solid gold discs wrapped in adamantium casing with manuals etched in runes.
Is that going to affect the price any?
no. It was all donated graciously by the martian overlords. =3
Quote from: MotherGunner on 01/10/2012, 01:45 AMI thought Arkhan was banned. Welcome back.
Damn, those were two fast weeks.
Hi Rover,
Has the french version been betatested to insure everything's alright ingame ? I had sent the translation to you around january 2011 (plus the last strings you'd provided a couple of months ago) and was wondering if people had tested/played with the translated script implemented, in order to check if everything was fine (mistakes and such).
Quote from: Tatsujin on 01/10/2012, 04:43 AMQuote from: MotherGunner on 01/10/2012, 01:45 AMI thought Arkhan was banned. Welcome back.
Damn, those were two fast weeks.
I didn't know Arkhan had been banned. How come?
Quote from: guest on 01/10/2012, 01:48 AMQuote from: Mishran on 01/10/2012, 01:28 AMQuote from: guest on 01/10/2012, 01:17 AMthe game is going to be released on solid gold discs wrapped in adamantium casing with manuals etched in runes.
Is that going to affect the price any?
no. It was all donated graciously by the martian overlords. =3
So I don't have to down grade to the sterling silver case? What a relief...
Quote from: Mishran on 01/10/2012, 07:35 AMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 01/10/2012, 01:48 AMQuote from: Mishran on 01/10/2012, 01:28 AMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 01/10/2012, 01:17 AMthe game is going to be released on solid gold discs wrapped in adamantium casing with manuals etched in runes.
Is that going to affect the price any?
no. It was all donated graciously by the martian overlords. =3
So I don't have to down grade to the sterling silver case? What a relief...
only if you want it to double as a werewolf shield.
Shubibimang: see fighting street
Quote from: Mishran on 01/10/2012, 01:28 AMQuote from: guest on 01/10/2012, 01:17 AMthe game is going to be released on solid gold discs wrapped in adamantium casing with manuals etched in runes.
Is that going to affect the price any?
I was hoping for Unobtanium
Quote from: Senshi on 01/10/2012, 11:33 AMQuote from: Mishran on 01/10/2012, 01:28 AMQuote from: guest on 01/10/2012, 01:17 AMthe game is going to be released on solid gold discs wrapped in adamantium casing with manuals etched in runes.
Is that going to affect the price any?
I was hoping for Unobtanium
And I was hoping for bolognium!
but all we got was bonerium!
Flat fact, I do not want no rubber soft, Gamecube, PS2,
DVD cases. I don't care how thick it is. No crappy cardboard crease nonsense boxes either,
It could be giant over sized CD cases like the ones from China. Seriously Chinese DVD, and VCD has some auwsome cases, with extra nice paper. Within the boxes the CD's are in regular sqaure cases. I can't believe it.
Even regular CD cases, like the PCE game uses is just fine and dandy also.
Quote from: RegalSin on 01/11/2012, 10:27 AMFlat fact, I do not want no rubber soft, Gamecube, PS2,
DVD cases. I don't care how thick it is. No crappy cardboard crease nonsense boxes either,
It could be giant over sized CD cases like the ones from China. Seriously Chinese DVD, and VCD has some auwsome cases, with extra nice paper. Within the boxes the CD's are in regular sqaure cases. I can't believe it.
Even regular CD cases, like the PCE game uses is just fine and dandy also.
the packaging will be similar to Insanity:
www.aetherbyte.com/insanity.php
I say this only because Mysterious Song is being pressed at the same place.
They're real hard plastic jewel cases.
Which place is that?
Quote from: RegalSin on 01/11/2012, 10:34 AMWhich place is that?
That is Arkhan's game studio website. He is the maker behind the PC Engine homebrew Insanity.
I think he meant the pressing place, which is largely irrelevant. It's a place in Texas, on Earth, nowhere near RegalSin's home
It is important. Is this somebodies garage, workdesk, and where are you ordering the cds, and cases from?
Quote from: RegalSin on 01/11/2012, 11:17 AMIt is important. Is this somebodies garage, workdesk, and where are you ordering the cds, and cases from?
How many people do you know with glass mastering and disc stamping machines in their garage? A cd is a cd is a cd regardless of who stamped it, and simple jewel cases are a dime a dozen.
Quote from: NecroPhile on 01/11/2012, 11:20 AMQuote from: RegalSin on 01/11/2012, 11:17 AMIt is important. Is this somebodies garage, workdesk, and where are you ordering the cds, and cases from?
How many people do you know with glass mastering and disc stamping machines in their garage? A cd is a cd is a cd regardless of who stamped it, and simple jewel cases are a dime a dozen.
with the exception being Changs CD Emporium, where the Pier Solar CDs were botched.
RegalSin: It's a professional CD pressing house. They do the entire package for you.
I don't care if it's in a cave in the middle of texas surrounded by dead animals. The product is nice.
Quote from: Mathius on 01/11/2012, 10:39 AMQuote from: RegalSin on 01/11/2012, 10:34 AMWhich place is that?
That is Arkhan's game studio website. He is the maker behind the PC Engine homebrew Insanity.
Ah. My bads.
Quote from: Mathius on 01/11/2012, 01:31 PMQuote from: Mathius on 01/11/2012, 10:39 AMQuote from: RegalSin on 01/11/2012, 10:34 AMWhich place is that?
That is Arkhan's game studio website. He is the maker behind the PC Engine homebrew Insanity.
Ah. My bads.
huh?
What is the place called, where MSR will be pressed?
Also it does matter to what CD a person use, because overtime CD's become unusable, when not stored correctly. Even then errors might pop up.
Quote from: RegalSin on 01/11/2012, 02:30 PMAlso it does matter to what CD a person use, because overtime CD's become unusable, when not stored correctly. Even then errors might pop up.
Do you have any idea where any other pressed CD (not cdr!) you own was made? Thought not.
Quote from: guest on 01/11/2012, 10:49 AMI think he meant the pressing place, which is largely irrelevant. It's a place in Texas, on Earth, nowhere near RegalSin's home
I meant this. I thought he was questioning what Atherbyte was.
A quick update: I had sent a message along to the original translator, reminding him that we still hadn't gotten the remaining corrections. He finished the work up, and I just picked it up. I haven't looked at the changed text just yet, but judging from the first two submissions, this should only take a couple of hours to fix. Once those changes are made to the script, it's finished... literally. Finished. Done. Ready to go. It'll likely be shipped off to Texas next Monday, provided no more last-minute surprises pop up.
As Grumpy Smurf would say..."I HATE last minute surprises!!!"
Quote from: OldRover on 01/11/2012, 08:04 PMA quick update: I had sent a message along to the original translator, reminding him that we still hadn't gotten the remaining corrections. He finished the work up, and I just picked it up. I haven't looked at the changed text just yet, but judging from the first two submissions, this should only take a couple of hours to fix. Once those changes are made to the script, it's finished... literally. Finished. Done. Ready to go. It'll likely be shipped off to Texas next Monday, provided no more last-minute surprises pop up.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20131119085711im_/https://i.imgur.com/i3xntHX.gif)
Quote from: OldRover on 01/11/2012, 08:04 PMA quick update: I had sent a message along to the original translator, reminding him that we still hadn't gotten the remaining corrections. He finished the work up, and I just picked it up. I haven't looked at the changed text just yet, but judging from the first two submissions, this should only take a couple of hours to fix. Once those changes are made to the script, it's finished... literally. Finished. Done. Ready to go. It'll likely be shipped off to Texas next Monday, provided no more last-minute surprises pop up.
You forgot to add: ...provided no more last-minute surprises pop up. And I'M NEVER EVER EVER EVER DOING THIS AGAIN!!!! *SIGHS/TEARS*....
Jk!
I'M NEVER FUCKING DOING THIS AGAIN!!! EVER!!! FUCKING EVER!!!
...yeah. Emo bitch! mwuahahahahaha :lol: :lol: :lol:
Lol, now you know what I meant by emo... All in good fun. =)
I'd also like to know the name of the replicator, considering that just a few years ago no one on the planet was willing/able to do the appropriate format. Why the secrecy?
And yes, I know where some of my CD's were pressed.
I am beginning to believe that the "unpressable" bit was actually a ruse to deter others from making new games. It will most certainly not be the first time someone from the "old guard" used deception to discourage newcomers from stealing their thunder.
http://www.nationwidedisc.com/
That is some pricey shit there. I hope you fellas will at least break even on what your putting into this project. Be nice to see ya turn a profit to help with future projects.
Pressing was never impossible in the first place.
We made Insanity at 4am on a clunker dinosaur machine with a SCSI CD burner that took like 4903 hours to burn. If the fuckin CD-R boots in a real turbo grafx CD, a replicated one will do the same. It's a replica. There is no "format".
A replication machine literally clones the disc. So if you, the programmer/cd burner can do it right, they can do it right.
anyone who says otherwise, you're dumb.
Mishran: It's actually low for their replication. I used Nationwide disc to press Insanity. It's proof they deliver teh shitz.
Insanity cost a little over 1000$ to replicate.
I've used www.discmakers.com (http://"http://www.discmakers.com/") a couple of times in the past and have been surprised at how well they communicated the status of your project and how quickly it was completed. The end product looked great as well. I've used them for replicating DVDs in the past. I've had the [sarcasm]pleasure[/sarcasm] of working with a number of other replicators that left much to be desired; these guys I liked.
I've since bought a Microboards CX-1 (http://"http://www.microboards.com/Products/Default.aspx?id=380") , so most of my replication is done in-house now. It's a burned disc, though, which wouldn't be ideal for the Turbo Community.
Quote from: guest on 01/11/2012, 11:39 PMI've used www.discmakers.com (http://"http://www.discmakers.com/") a couple of times in the past and have been surprised at how well they communicated the status of your project and how quickly it was completed. The end product looked great as well. I've used them for replicating DVDs in the past. I've had the [sarcasm]pleasure[/sarcasm] of working with a number of other replicators that left much to be desired; these guys I liked.
I've since bought a Microboards CX-1 (http://"http://www.microboards.com/Products/Default.aspx?id=380") , so most of my replication is done in-house now. It's a burned disc, though, which wouldn't be ideal for the Turbo Community.
are you sure you don't mean duplicating?
That's the one where they just use a mass-copy machine and make a buncha CD-R/DVD-R's for you
Do everybody a favor and do not plastic wrap the game.
Quote from: RegalSin on 01/11/2012, 11:53 PMDo everybody a favor and do not plastic wrap the game.
plastic wrap is for gays.
Quote from: guest on 01/11/2012, 11:51 PMare you sure you don't mean duplicating?
That's the one where they just use a mass-copy machine and make a buncha CD-R/DVD-R's for you
Semantics. Who needs 'em. :P Discmakers provides a real DVD. The CX-1 I use these days just makes burned CD/DVDs.
It's not really semantics though lol, they are two entirely different processes.
One is fast and cheap, the other is expensive and takes awhile (but gives nicer product!)
Update: the deed is done. The game is as translated as it's gonna get. Not everything in the fixes could be added due to lack of space, and a couple of things were already correct anyway. Final build taking place in a few minutes once I'm sure no more names need to be added to the credits.
Final build has been released to the team. As long as all is in order, this will be going out on the 17th.
Quote from: OldRover on 01/12/2012, 01:28 AMFinal build has been released to the team. As long as all is in order, this will be going out on the 17th.
This is great news, Rovie! Thanks for all your hard work, though I half expect my copy to be covered in dry Rover tears. :P
Quote from: Mathius on 01/12/2012, 02:11 AMQuote from: OldRover on 01/12/2012, 01:28 AMFinal build has been released to the team. As long as all is in order, this will be going out on the 17th.
This is great news, Rovie! Thanks for all your hard work, though I half expect my copy to be covered in dry Rover tears. :P
I'll be doing the distribution and you don't want to know what bodily residues linger on my hands...
This is taking way too long. Can I have a refund?
Joking! Joking!
Looking forward to playing it.
Rover, has the final buid been checked by a tester who reads french fluently ?
MSR SUCKS.
Quote from: Arm on 01/12/2012, 06:31 AMRover, has the final buid been checked by a tester who reads french fluently ?
Yes, yasser arafat, but he died before finish .
Legend says that Kadaffi shall have taken over :P.
The french have to learn spanish now lol .
Quote from: Arm on 01/12/2012, 06:31 AMRover, has the final buid been checked by a tester who reads french fluently ?
The final build just came out so I don't know just yet. I'll post a msg for it.
can't wait to find out what the preorder bonuses are!
Soundtrack CD? MSR character figurine? Limited Edition MSR Duo-R? Keep Dreaming? Yeah...
Quote from: Mishran on 01/13/2012, 01:04 AMSoundtrack CD? MSR character figurine? Limited Edition MSR Duo-R? Keep Dreaming? Yeah...
Nope, you're waaaaaaay off! You get a brand new, hot out the mold, Old Rover/Nodtveidt doll that's anatomically correct!
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 01/13/2012, 01:29 AMQuote from: Mishran on 01/13/2012, 01:04 AMSoundtrack CD? MSR character figurine? Limited Edition MSR Duo-R? Keep Dreaming? Yeah...
Nope, you're waaaaaaay off! You get a brand new, hot out the mold, Old Rover/Nodtveidt doll that's anatomically correct!
Oh, the horror! The horror!
Quote from: Mishran on 01/13/2012, 01:04 AMLimited Edition MSR Duo-R?
Now that would be extraordinary.
Arm, CrackTiger says that he has a friend who speaks French fluently, and they're going to give it a spin tonight to check the script.
OUI OUI TOREN PARLAY VOUS SPEAR JAMAPLE SWORD SOMETHING
I'm glad I don't let you do my translation work. :P
what, its not like the french need to read anything. Does their battle system only have RUN
I see. There were also people here natively speaking french like Shubibiman, Touko or in the french nec community, who I think could have helped checking if asked. :)
I put out posts here on the forum, looking for beta testers. Twice, even. :)
I don't really care about what the weapons or names are called. I prefer games where the items, people, and places, are in their original names, even if it is annoying sometimes.
Back on topic? About the original creators invovlement in this??? I think this is really important to all of us, even if it has been a million years
Quote from: RegalSin on 01/13/2012, 09:54 AMAbout the original creators invovlement in this??? I think this is really important to all of us, even if it has been a million years
No, God is not involved. Rover tried to get him, but He didn't return Rover's calls.
Quote from: RegalSin on 01/13/2012, 09:54 AMI don't really care about what the weapons or names are called. I prefer games where the items, people, and places, are in their original names, even if it is annoying sometimes.
Back on topic? About the original creators invovlement in this??? I think this is really important to all of us, even if it has been a million years
Spear is the main character's name.
Old Rover said " I put out posts here on the forum, looking for beta testers. Twice, even. Smile"
Really ? Too bad nobody applied then.
I didn't because I'm working on other projects and I know I wouldn't be able to work on the 3 of them at the same time. I didn't want to disappoint anyone after making promises I wouldn't be able to take ;)
Quote from: guest on 01/13/2012, 09:03 AMOUI OUI TOREN PARLAY VOUS SPEAR JAMAPLE SWORD SOMETHING
LOL, arkh you speak french like my right testicle. :mrgreen:
Why is your right testicle talking!? =O lol
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 01/13/2012, 12:19 PMWhy is your right testicle talking!? =O lol
Furthermore, what language does his left testicle speak?
Ballanese, maybe
Quote from: guest on 01/13/2012, 12:19 PMWhy is your right testicle talking!? =O lol
Everybody's right testicle does Arkan, ya freak!
mine must be a mute.
must be from all that gayblading.
Quote from: guest on 01/13/2012, 12:19 PMWhy is your right testicle talking!? =O lol
Yes spanish, german, and actualy english :P
My left is for chinese and japanese language .
so when you get kicked there does it go ACHTUNG. NEIN NEIN NEIN! TENGO EL PAIN.
LOOOL
Quote from: RegalSin on 01/13/2012, 09:54 AMAbout the original creators invovlement in this??? I think this is really important to all of us, even if it has been a million years
The original developer of the game is Darkness Ethereal, a small group I used to be a part of. The main design of the game was done by Matt "DarkDread" Zuchowski and Julia "Tyranny" Hart. MSR is an extended version, offering an entirely new quest, plus one completely new area to the main game. Matt not only completely approved of the production, he was also given direct access to the files. He's also going to be paid royalties.
Ok that makes sense. So is the R for revisited?
That's all good info, Rover...but stop humoring RegalSin.
RegalSin popped up on a bunch of forums long too long ago, and post the same misinformed nonsense on each one. He's either mentally/socially retarded, or mildly trolling. Every single post he makes seems intended to ruffle feathers.
QuoteMatt not only completely approved of the production, he was also given direct access to the files. He's also going to be paid royalties.
And all is right in the world :dance:. The matrix is balanced. The spice flow has haulted. Walt Disney lives.
So when does work on the episode "app" begins?
Quote from: blueraven on 01/13/2012, 11:14 PMOk that makes sense. So is the R for revisited?
Reborn! Bwa ha ha ha! Mysterious Song shall rise AGAIIIIIIIN!
Quote from: blueraven on 01/13/2012, 11:14 PMOk that makes sense. So is the R for revisited?
It means Remake, really. But Mysterious Song Remake, or MSR, is the codename. The actual product release is simply called Mysterious Song. Call it Remake, Revisited, Reborn, Remix, whatever you want. :D
Quote from: OldRover on 01/14/2012, 12:39 PMQuote from: blueraven on 01/13/2012, 11:14 PMOk that makes sense. So is the R for revisited?
It means Remake, really. But Mysterious Song Remake, or MSR, is the codename. The actual product release is simply called Mysterious Song. Call it Remake, Revisited, Reborn, Remix, whatever you want. :D
...Rejuvenated, Refreshed, Refrigerated, Rejoined, RegalSin...
Rehashed, Renovated, Revitalized, Reorganized, Refurbished, ...
Renob.
Quote from: esteban on 01/14/2012, 12:51 PMQuote from: OldRover on 01/14/2012, 12:39 PMQuote from: blueraven on 01/13/2012, 11:14 PMOk that makes sense. So is the R for revisited?
It means Remake, really. But Mysterious Song Remake, or MSR, is the codename. The actual product release is simply called Mysterious Song. Call it Remake, Revisited, Reborn, Remix, whatever you want. :D
...Rejuvenated, Refreshed, Refrigerated, Rejoined, RegalSin...
LOL awesome, rove, Dragon, Ark, esteban. :lol:
Reconstituted, Remapped, Restocked, Reinflated, Restitution
:D
As long as it's not Retarded, Rehabbed, Redundant, or Ridiculous.
what about reallylame
YEAH I WENT THURRR
=3 lol
Nah, but it IS Roverized :D
I thought it wasn't allowed to be retarded?
*zing*
=3
(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/mysterious_song_tg16.png)
I'm sorry, this is so TRITE and HACKNEYED at this point. And yet...
LOL.
yes.
that needs to be the real cover now
LOL
hahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahahhahahahahhahahahhahahahahahhahahahhahahah
:lol:
sides... hurt... hahhahaha
Would work great as the back cover of manual. Open case to see that. Would be great!
That should be the bonus item for the pre-orders. The alternative RLY cover.
I think each game should come with free tears from Rovie....
Awesome, Steve! I vote Rover uses a clear disc tray with that underneath. 8)
lol.
it should be double sided and have a haters gonna hate picture on the back
(http://wtfhub.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/haters-gonna-hate-eagle.jpg)
Arm, CrackTiger's friend found a few minor issues, but they were from the conversion process. I got them fixed up already.
Oh I see. Well done. :)
Frozen Utopia joined the SOPA blackout today. Just so y'all know. Not that it makes much difference really, but... yeah. :)
Why is it a blackout. that's racist. Im calling someone.
Quote from: guest on 01/18/2012, 02:57 PMWhy is it a blackout. that's racist. Im calling someone.
For equalities sake, we better get Arky some white out!!!
Now thats just dirty.
Quote from: guest on 01/18/2012, 02:57 PMWhy is it a blackout. that's racist. Im calling someone.
http://yoisthisracist.com/post/12591850758/billowy-asked-japanese-afro-cookie-packaging
Who really cares, everybody is eracist. Everybody. They will never show it, but the have programmed into them
like a hot knife threw butter.
Back to MSR.........................
I am assuming it is being pressed as we speek.
Why are hot knives throwing butter around?
Quote from: RegalSin on 01/19/2012, 12:45 PMWho really cares, everybody is eracist. Everybody.
Not me. I hate everyone equally.
Quote from: NecroPhile on 01/19/2012, 02:32 PMQuote from: RegalSin on 01/19/2012, 12:45 PMWho really cares, everybody is eracist. Everybody.
Not me. I hate everyone equally.
Me too.
Are stupid people a race? I hate stupidians.
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 01/19/2012, 02:40 PMAre stupid people a race?
Yes. It's called the human race.
Everyone is prejudiced, but that doesn't mean everyone is racist. Racism is actually a relatively specific term, RegalSin. Sounds like you are speaking more broadly about prejudice.
There are 2 things I can't stand!! Those who are intolerant of others, & the Dutch!!!! :D
Quote from: NecroPhile on 01/19/2012, 03:37 PMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 01/19/2012, 02:40 PMAre stupid people a race?
Yes. It's called the human race.
oh, good thing me and you are safe then!
Robots and Neptunians! \o/
Quote from: RegalSin on 01/19/2012, 12:45 PMWho really cares, everybody is eracist. Everybody. They will never show it, but the have programmed into them
like a hot knife threw butter.
You are a treasure trove of indecipherable gibberish. Each new post outdoes the last. My hat is off to you, Sir.
QuoteEveryone is prejudiced
how could somebody not be racist without being prejudice?
Seriously I doubt a person who has prejudice ideas in their head, does not have racist ideas as well. Eitherway it progresses even in positive enviroment as well. You can never see it, because it comes in all kinds of forms. Both good and bad.
Quote from: RegalSin on 01/20/2012, 08:32 PMQuoteEveryone is prejudiced
Seriously I doubt a person who has prejudice ideas in their head, does not have racist ideas as well.
Some people are prejudiced against police officers. Those folks have a prejudice that doesn't include race in any form. Further, racism isn't simply racial prejudice. Racism requires the idea of inferiority or power and influence. If I think all people of a particular color act a certain way, that's prejudice. If I think all people of a particular color are inferior as people, that's racism.
prejudice: an unfavorable opinion or feeling formed beforehand or without knowledge, thought, or reason.
racism: hatred or intolerance of another race.
Sooooo....how's that MSR comin along? :-" :P
I eated it.
It is teh cookie.
I canceled MSR and kept all your monies. Thanks for making me rich.
haha...welcome
Don't spend it all in one place.
Just a quick update on this... it seems all of our testers have vanished, so Keranu and I are handling the confirmation run. English and Spanish scripts are at gold, he's verifying the French script for gold now. It's a good thing we didn't go to pressing just yet, as we found a few obscure issues along the way, one of which was fatal. All is worked out now though. Whether or not this makes the MGC remains to be seen, but as soon as Keranu has finished with his testing of the French script, the debug code gets removed and the discs get burned for shipment off to the pressing house.
Quote from: OldRover on 02/06/2012, 09:29 PMJust a quick update on this... it seems all of our testers have vanished, so Keranu and I are handling the confirmation run. English and Spanish scripts are at gold, he's verifying the French script for gold now. It's a good thing we didn't go to pressing just yet, as we found a few obscure issues along the way, one of which was fatal. All is worked out now though. Whether or not this makes the MGC remains to be seen, but as soon as Keranu has finished with his testing of the French script, the debug code gets removed and the discs get burned for shipment off to the pressing house.
Did you want me to get with DHG Hunter about possibly reserving a spot to get MSR some love at MGC???
I think lord_cack said something about trying to get in... but I don't know what's going on just yet. I'll let ya know though. :) Thanks! :)
So THAT'S what MGC is! I always wondered whatever happened to JAGFest. I always wanted MAGFest and JAGFest to be friends (cause JAG along with Philly Classic is kind of what I saw in MAGFest's future). I never knew until now. Thank you Mathius for finally making me go do my homework!
Interesting too because (I think) Philly Classic became Too Many Games Expo the same way JAG transitioned.
Quote from: OldRover on 02/06/2012, 10:51 PMI think lord_cack said something about trying to get in... but I don't know what's going on just yet. I'll let ya know though. :) Thanks! :)
No prob! :)
Quote from: jayamine on 02/06/2012, 11:00 PMSo THAT'S what MGC is! I always wondered whatever happened to JAGFest. I always wanted MAGFest and JAGFest to be friends (cause JAG along with Philly Classic is kind of what I saw in MAGFest's future). I never knew until now. Thank you Mathius for finally making me go do my homework!
Interesting too because (I think) Philly Classic became Too Many Games Expo the same way JAG transitioned.
Yep 'ol JAGfest has gotten huge!
Keranu's test is finished... all the scripts check out fine. There's just one concern about an obscure event in the game... I might rewrite it to be less obscure. It would only take a couple of hours to modify and wouldn't require much testing, fortunately (just once would be sufficient). So... February 7th will be the day we consider it Gold and get it burned for shipping to the pressing house.
Annnnnd CrackTiger finished the instruction manual today too, THIS GAME IS READY TO GO, GO, GO!!!
Quote from: Keranu on 02/07/2012, 03:41 AMAnnnnnd CrackTiger finished the instruction manual today too, THIS GAME IS READY TO GO, GO, GO!!!
Shhhhhh! Shut up or you'll jinx it!! :D
WOOO!
Awesome news :)
Quote from: OldRover on 08/16/2011, 05:15 PMYes, it's finally finished at long last. It's going to final beta in a couple of days for the last bit of testing. Pre-orders will be opening up in a couple of hours, just getting everything set up for it now. If you want to pre-order the game, make sure your shipping information in Paypal is correct... we don't wanna have anything get shipped off to the wrong address. :) The preorder bonus was extended to 100 units, so there's still a few left. The price is the same as before, $35. Since it will be shipped this year and there's no plans for the price of USPS shipping to increase, we can do the shipping cost up-front this time so Paypal doesn't get to double-dip. Shipping is a flat $4.95 anywhere in the world, making the total $39.95 per unit. I'll be able to do some price cuts for multiple copies depending on where the order's going.
We decided it would be best to rewrite the obscure event, so I am about to dive into that right now. It will take a couple of hours and only requires one test. The whole process should take less than 4 hours. By midnight tonight, MSR will be burned to master CDRs to be sent to Texas for manufacturing.
It is done.
Quote from: OldRover on 02/07/2012, 05:35 PMIt is done.
I am doing the same exact dance in Rover's avatar!
Fun fact for the day: MSR's final filesize: 577,203,920 bytes.
Is that the whole directory, or just the ISO, lol
The whole disc. The ISO is 6,596,608 bytes.
Insanity is 217,531,330 bytes!
not that this really amounts to much lol
That's why they're fun facts and not life-or-death informationssssss.
Hell yes!!
Quote from: Mathius on 02/07/2012, 06:28 PMQuote from: OldRover on 02/07/2012, 05:35 PMIt is done.
I am doing the same exact dance in Rover's avatar!
Video or it didn't happen...
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Open one is my own copy, the four sealed cases below are the four that will be sent to Texas.
Awesome! Just make sure you don't send a copy to Thibault. He'll write Japanese on it and tell people its a Rare Promo copy. :P
I don't think he even ordered a copy.
I havent ordered yet, but I damn sure am gonna. :) Hell yeah!!
MSR is finished!
Quote from: guest on 02/07/2012, 09:14 PMMSR is finished!
Praise be, it's a miracle! A miracle! [-o<
Cool, I need to get some time off to try it out now.
Quote from: DesmondThe3rd on 02/08/2012, 12:40 AMCool, I need to get some time off to try it out now.
Did you pre-order, Starsoldier???
Quote from: guest on 02/07/2012, 09:14 PMMSR is finished!
Great news! I can't wait to have a copy! I will start to organize a bulk order for the french PCE community.
What is MSR?
Quote from: Senshi on 02/07/2012, 08:34 PMAwesome! Just make sure you don't send a copy to Thibault. He'll write Japanese on it and tell people its a Rare Promo copy. :P
sell him a copy that says THIBAUTS A DICK.
:D lol
Woot! I can't wait to get to play this on real hardware. 8)
Quote from: soop on 02/08/2012, 07:32 AMWhat is MSR?
* facepalm *
Whaaat? I'm suprised it didn't say on the first page. And even if it doesn't stand for something, I don't know what it is.
MSR to me means Metropolis Street Racer, and I doubt it's going to be a port of a Dreamcast game.
Quote from: soop on 02/08/2012, 10:47 AMWhaaat? I'm suprised it didn't say on the first page. And even if it doesn't stand for something, I don't know what it is.
You could use search, follow the link to frozenutopia on the first page, or have paid attention to what was going on in the community while you were hammering out 500+ posts... but that's just crazy talk.
Here, let me spoon feed it to you: MSR is short for Mysterious Song, a Turbob remake being done by Frozen Utopia (http://www.frozenutopia.com/projects.html) (Rover) of the PC RPG of the same name.
Quote from: guest on 02/08/2012, 10:55 AMQuote from: soop on 02/08/2012, 10:47 AMWhaaat? I'm suprised it didn't say on the first page. And even if it doesn't stand for something, I don't know what it is.
You could use search, follow the link to frozenutopia on the first page, or have paid attention to what was going on in the community while you were hammering out 500+ posts... but that's just crazy talk.
Here, let me spoon feed it to you: MSR is short for Mysterious Song, a Turbob remake being done by Frozen Utopia (https://web.archive.org/web/2000/http://www.frozenutopia.com/projects.html) (Rover) of the PC RPG of the same name.
Wait, are you having a go at me for a) not using a search for a three letter acroynm for a 2 word name which only shows up halfway down the search results ANYWAY, and b) Not reading a particular section of the Internet?
It's not actually that crazy a question. Lesson here: Because you know one thing that someone else doesn't, doesn't make you smart, and it doesn't make them stupid.
MSR is Mysterious Song REMAKE (or Reborn, or Renob, whatever).
I mean it's referenced if you search... or if you read the first page of this thread when you end up at Frozen Utopia's page.
lol
Quote from: soop on 02/08/2012, 11:07 AMQuote from: guest on 02/08/2012, 10:55 AMQuote from: soop on 02/08/2012, 10:47 AMWhaaat? I'm suprised it didn't say on the first page. And even if it doesn't stand for something, I don't know what it is.
You could use search, follow the link to frozenutopia on the first page, or have paid attention to what was going on in the community while you were hammering out 500+ posts... but that's just crazy talk.
Here, let me spoon feed it to you: MSR is short for Mysterious Song, a Turbob remake being done by Frozen Utopia (https://web.archive.org/web/2000/http://www.frozenutopia.com/projects.html) (Rover) of the PC RPG of the same name.
Wait, are you having a go at me for a) not using a search for a three letter acroynm for a 2 word name which only shows up halfway down the search results ANYWAY, and b) Not reading a particular section of the Internet?
It's not actually that crazy a question. Lesson here: Because you know one thing that someone else doesn't, doesn't make you smart, and it doesn't make them stupid.
MSR obviously stands for Insanity 2 - Mindblowing Super RoyVegas. Pay this Necromancer no attention. He's a ball buster.
Quote from: guest on 02/08/2012, 11:13 AMMSR is Mysterious Song REMAKE (or Reborn, or Renob, whatever).
I mean it's referenced if you search... or if you read the first page of this thread when you end up at Frozen Utopia's page.
lol
I saw the link, but it doesn't explain that it's anything to do with the game other than thet's where you pay for it - and since I didn't know what it was I saw no need to pay for it!
Someone could have just answered "Oh it's a homebrew version of Neutopia III" and I'd have been like "oh cool"
Quote from: soop on 02/08/2012, 11:17 AMSomeone could have just answered "Oh it's a homebrew version of Neutopia III" and I'd have been like "oh cool"
Its not a homebrew version of Neutopia 3 though... lol
http://www.frozenutopia.com/projects.html
Quote from: guest on 02/08/2012, 11:19 AMQuote from: soop on 02/08/2012, 11:17 AMSomeone could have just answered "Oh it's a homebrew version of Neutopia III" and I'd have been like "oh cool"
Its not a homebrew version of Neutopia 3 though... lol
https://web.archive.org/web/2000/http://www.frozenutopia.com/projects.html
I thought homebrew was any home coded software... I didn't say port because it's the PC version so you can't (I assume) use any of the original code. So remake =/= homebrew?
Quote from: soop on 02/08/2012, 11:24 AMI thought homebrew was any home coded software... I didn't say port because it's the PC version so you can't (I assume) use any of the original code. So remake =/= homebrew?
No, he means that MSR has
nothing to do with Neutopia III. They're entirely different games.
Quote from: soop on 02/08/2012, 11:24 AMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 02/08/2012, 11:19 AMQuote from: soop on 02/08/2012, 11:17 AMSomeone could have just answered "Oh it's a homebrew version of Neutopia III" and I'd have been like "oh cool"
Its not a homebrew version of Neutopia 3 though... lol
http://www.frozenutopia.com/projects.html
I thought homebrew was any home coded software... I didn't say port because it's the PC version so you can't (I assume) use any of the original code. So remake =/= homebrew?
No. It has NOTHING to do with at all.
That's an entirely different project.
lol, are you even reading the link I posted. First game: Mysterious Song.
Quote from: guest on 02/08/2012, 11:25 AMQuote from: soop on 02/08/2012, 11:24 AMI thought homebrew was any home coded software... I didn't say port because it's the PC version so you can't (I assume) use any of the original code. So remake =/= homebrew?
No, he means that MSR has nothing to do with Neutopia III. They're entirely different games.
Ohhhh... Yeah I see. I missed the delimiter/title
Yeah soop MSR has been in development for years so this is very exciting to see the final build burned to disc for pressing!
Whoooooooo
to be fair, Soop did arrive AFTER the MSR thread debacles, and rover doesn't reference it in his sig no ' mo
Looking at soop's posts, it doesn't appear that he's ever been in the Homebrew section before. And looking back through this thread, it's a lot of off-topic banter and doesn't specifically mention "Mysterious Song" very much. (At least at the beginning and end of the thread) However, MSR has been one of the most discussed homebrew project in the past 6 months or so, so it's a little surprising that anyone's just now hearing about it.
Quote from: guest on 02/08/2012, 11:42 AMLooking at soop's posts, it doesn't appear that he's ever been in the Homebrew section before. And looking back through this thread, it's a lot of off-topic banter and doesn't specifically mention "Mysterious Song" very much. (At least at the beginning and end of the thread) However, MSR has been one of the most discussed homebrew project in the past 6 months or so, so it's a little surprising that anyone's just now hearing about it.
The first time I came in here was Monday I think? I looked at a couple of posts and posted "Bubble Bobble".
Quote from: soop on 02/08/2012, 11:07 AMQuote from: NecroPhile on 02/08/2012, 10:55 AMQuote from: soop on 02/08/2012, 10:47 AMWhaaat? I'm suprised it didn't say on the first page. And even if it doesn't stand for something, I don't know what it is.
You could use search, follow the link to frozenutopia on the first page, or have paid attention to what was going on in the community while you were hammering out 500+ posts... but that's just crazy talk.
Here, let me spoon feed it to you: MSR is short for Mysterious Song, a Turbob remake being done by Frozen Utopia (http://www.frozenutopia.com/projects.html) (Rover) of the PC RPG of the same name.
Wait, are you having a go at me for a) not using a search for a three letter acroynm for a 2 word name which only shows up halfway down the search results ANYWAY, and b) Not reading a particular section of the Internet?
It's not actually that crazy a question. Lesson here: Because you know one thing that someone else doesn't, doesn't make you smart, and it doesn't make them stupid.
Turbob, Obey = TurboGrafx-16/TurboDuo/PC Engine/SuperGrafx/etc related.
Quote from: Mathius on 02/08/2012, 12:54 AMQuote from: DesmondThe3rd on 02/08/2012, 12:40 AMCool, I need to get some time off to try it out now.
Did you pre-order, Starsoldier???
Not yet but I'm not a preorder type of guy.
Quote from: DesmondThe3rd on 02/08/2012, 02:46 PMQuote from: Mathius on 02/08/2012, 12:54 AMQuote from: DesmondThe3rd on 02/08/2012, 12:40 AMCool, I need to get some time off to try it out now.
Did you pre-order, Starsoldier???
Not yet but I'm not a preorder type of guy.
Hopefully there will be enough copies after the pre-orders go out for you to snag one.
Quote from: Mathius on 02/08/2012, 05:24 PMQuote from: DesmondThe3rd on 02/08/2012, 02:46 PMQuote from: Mathius on 02/08/2012, 12:54 AMQuote from: DesmondThe3rd on 02/08/2012, 12:40 AMCool, I need to get some time off to try it out now.
Did you pre-order, Starsoldier???
Not yet but I'm not a preorder type of guy.
Hopefully there will be enough copies after the pre-orders go out for you to snag one.
Oh of course, we'll be sitting on tons of extra copies. No problem there, just ask BT Garner or Arkhan lol.
Quote from: Mathius on 02/08/2012, 05:24 PMQuote from: DesmondThe3rd on 02/08/2012, 02:46 PMQuote from: Mathius on 02/08/2012, 12:54 AMQuote from: DesmondThe3rd on 02/08/2012, 12:40 AMCool, I need to get some time off to try it out now.
Did you pre-order, Starsoldier???
Not yet but I'm not a preorder type of guy.
Hopefully there will be enough copies after the pre-orders go out for you to snag one.
There is no Pier Solar-style collector-baiting marketing scheme planned. :P
Quote from: guest on 02/08/2012, 11:57 AMTurbob, Obey = TurboGrafx-16/TurboDuo/PC Engine/SuperGrafx/etc related.
Heh. Thanks for pointing this out. I actually asked in chat once and no one responded. I assume because they were laughing so hard at how retarded I am. :D
EDIT: I said it in chat, I said it in PMs, but I'll say it again here. Congrats Rove! Making
any homebrew is impressive, but taking on a full RPG just blows me away. I'm very excited for this game and I really want to express how impressed I am to see this finished. :)
Quote from: Sadler on 02/08/2012, 06:05 PMQuote from: CrackTiger on 02/08/2012, 11:57 AMTurbob, Obey = TurboGrafx-16/TurboDuo/PC Engine/SuperGrafx/etc related.
Heh. Thanks for pointing this out. I actually asked in chat once and no one responded. I assume because they were laughing so hard at how retarded I am. :D
EDIT: I said it in chat, I said it in PMs, but I'll say it again here. Congrats Rove! Making any homebrew is impressive, but taking on a full RPG just blows me away. I'm very excited for this game and I really want to express how impressed I am to see this finished. :)
There's a lot more pcefx-specific slang being tossed around (like Raisin Bar) that wouldn't make any sense outside of a thread dedicated to the basis of the slang. Even then, threads rarely stay on topic.
Congratulations Frozen Utopia'ers!
Hey Rover - don't forget my two copies for doing that thing with the stuff.
Quote from: guest on 02/08/2012, 11:42 AMMSR has been one of the most discussed homebrew project in the past 6 months years or so...
Fixed!
How could I forget? You're at the top of the order list. :P
How many more are unsold?
You guys wouldn't happen to be able to let us in on the preorder bonuses now would you? :-"
I can give away one... lol. :)
One of the preorder bonuses is an official game OST CD that contains all of the game music, including unedited versions of the music heard only in cutscenes. The other bonuses... stay secret for now. :P
I've been running the burned copy on the Duo... it works fabulously. Granted my TV makes it look like buttcake, but still... it works great. Played through the normal game tonight... will play through the extended game tomorrow. Everything is golden thus far. :)
Rover, i think you are going to start seeing this game in your sleep if you don't already.
Quote from: OldRover on 02/09/2012, 01:41 AMI can give away one... lol. :)
One of the preorder bonuses is an official game OST CD that contains all of the game music, including unedited versions of the music heard only in cutscenes. The other bonuses... stay secret for now. :P
Would another be a figurine of Arkhan flipping us the bird? That would rock! :lol:
Quote from: The Old Rover on 02/09/2012, 01:41 AMThe other bonuses... stay secret for now. :P
Goody - I wanna surprise when I open it up!
As one final test, I decided to run this on my Duo. Was going great until I got a bit into the extended game... and that's when I discovered a rare, but fatal, error in the game's map generator. Fortunately, it was really easy to fix, and is already corrected. But still... how annoying. Good thing I haven't burned these masters yet.
Quote from: Mishran on 02/09/2012, 10:05 AMQuote from: OldRover on 02/09/2012, 01:41 AMI can give away one... lol. :)
One of the preorder bonuses is an official game OST CD that contains all of the game music, including unedited versions of the music heard only in cutscenes. The other bonuses... stay secret for now. :P
Would another be a figurine of Arkhan flipping us the bird? That would rock! :lol:
mmmm....no thanks
wtf how could you not want me as a figurine.
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 02/09/2012, 02:03 PMwtf how could you not want me as a figurine.
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exactly.
LOL....sorry
Quote from: guest on 02/09/2012, 03:20 PMQuote from: guest on 02/09/2012, 02:03 PMwtf how could you not want me as a figurine.
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Yes, I will take an ArkHan Solo figure please
Yes, an Arkhan Asylum figurine will look good next to my other anime girl figurines... no one will be able to tell which one isn't female.
If you don't tell, I won't. :)
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:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: =D> =D> =D>
That's awesome! I want one! :D
I just loled so hard the lol also loled.
and then it roflcoptered into a building
:lol:
That shipping price is a bargain!
Quote from: lord_cack on 02/09/2012, 05:18 PMQuote from: guest on 02/09/2012, 03:20 PMQuote from: guest on 02/09/2012, 02:03 PMwtf how could you not want me as a figurine.
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Yes, I will take an ArkHan Solo figure please
wohooo, that's this medley of village peoples(yes all the group) ,michael jackson, and assminator,and a little bit of lara croft (the hair perhaps) ??? :mrgreen:
who is assminator.
RoccoSiffredi-mes-parents-vont-t-adorer.webp
ROCCO himself :-
Hahahaha! That's frickin' brilliant, CrackTiger. Good show!
Thats hilarious! link to ebay gouging thread
Oh lordy that's great!
Confirmation emails have been going out... I'm about halfway done with them. If you don't get a confirmation email within the next 2 days, it's because of an incorrect email address or a problem with your mail host.
Quote from: OldRover on 02/10/2012, 07:11 PMConfirmation emails have been going out... I'm about halfway done with them. If you don't get a confirmation email within the next 2 days, it's because of an incorrect email address or a problem with your mail host.
Just responded to my confirmation email like a boss!
Hehe :D
First wave is done; starting second wave now.
Got the confirmation mail and looking forward to it!
Got mine toos!!! :D
address confirmed. awaiting MSR.
Quote from: Mishran on 02/10/2012, 09:41 PMQuote from: incrediblehark on 02/10/2012, 09:40 PMaddress confirmed. awaiting MSR.
Same here.
ditto!! Here's to hoping it's FUCKING MIND BLOWING! ;) (I know it will)
Keranu and I are sorting out all of the details for the bonus items right now... I think people will be pleasantly surprised. :)
As for an arrival date... we don't have a specific date known yet, but we are hoping that these will arrive just in time for MGC. Fingers crossed...! :)
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Quote from: OldRover on 02/10/2012, 10:58 PMKeranu and I are sorting out all of the details for the bonus items right now... I think people will be pleasantly surprised. :)
As for an arrival date... we don't have a specific date known yet, but we are hoping that these will arrive just in time for MGC. Fingers crossed...! :)
which i won't be attending :( we need something like MGC closer to where I live
All of the order confirmation emails have been sent out. Of course, not all of them went without an issue, so if you didn't get one, then you can bug me personally to confirm your shipping details.
wheres my email DICK.
I already know your address CUNT.
Been putting off ordering for too long. Now I missed the bonus. Im such a fuckhead.. Anyway, gonna be placing my order this week. :) Yay!!!!
Got mine and responded. Getting very excited for this, Rover!
Quote from: soop on 02/08/2012, 07:32 AMWhat is MSR?
(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/mysterious_song_tg16.png)
Don't mind the blokes who were giving you a hard time. They have little patience and are easily angered.
:)
Quote from: OldRover on 02/11/2012, 10:06 AMAll of the order confirmation emails have been sent out. Of course, not all of them went without an issue, so if you didn't get one, then you can bug me personally to confirm your shipping details.
I haven't received an email yet. I'm not impatient, but I don't think my email has changed.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 02/10/2012, 07:11 PMConfirmation emails have been going out...
Didn't get one yet.
Quote from: CrackTiger on 02/09/2012, 07:48 PM(https://web.archive.org/web/20190511052255im_/https://www.superpcenginegrafx.net/misc/msaf3.jpg)
Awesome. Looks like this thread will keep me entertained until the game arrives. Btw, I'm surprised you didn't include the seller's username. As far from reality as this is, I'm sure we can all think of one member here who would try to profit off such an item.
Again, anyone who didn't get an email just needs to message me here on the forum with your details.
I love how this "MSR is finished!" thread was created 6 months ago, but the game still isn't out there ; )
Quote from: guest on 02/11/2012, 11:44 PMI love how this "MSR is finished!" thread was created 6 months ago, but the game still isn't out there ; )
Uh oh..... *plugs ears...er covers eyes*
MSR is totally finished and beta tested, extra features included. TheOldRover and I are looking into ways to get the pre-order bonus material ready before we send the game out for manufacturing. Pressing the CDs will take 15 - 20 business days and since we're aiming to have this ready for the MGC, we're looking into getting everything sorted out within the next two weeks.
I've got the packaging material prepared for all the orders. Once the final product arrives, wham-o!, straight out the door to each and every one of ya's! :)
Any chance we'll see one of yous two at MGC??? :)
Quote from: esteban on 02/11/2012, 08:52 PMQuote from: OldRover on 02/11/2012, 10:06 AMAll of the order confirmation emails have been sent out. Of course, not all of them went without an issue, so if you didn't get one, then you can bug me personally to confirm your shipping details.
I haven't received an email yet. I'm not impatient, but I don't think my email has changed.
Oh, no worries, we decided to not send you one. Thanks for the $ :D Kidding! PM Rover if you haven't already.
I kiiiiiid, I kiiiiiid! That's what the smiley's for!
Yeah I saw the confirmation email. I am waiting for the game to be sent. Unsealed, so I can play it.
Quote from: RegalSin on 02/12/2012, 06:46 PMYeah I saw the confirmation email. I am waiting for the game to be sent. Unsealed, so I can play it.
Lol, are your fingers broke?
Quote from: Senshi on 02/12/2012, 07:05 PMQuote from: RegalSin on 02/12/2012, 06:46 PMYeah I saw the confirmation email. I am waiting for the game to be sent. Unsealed, so I can play it.
Lol, are your fingers broke?
What does the financial status of his fingers have to do with anything?
Quote from: guest on 02/13/2012, 01:08 AMQuote from: Senshi on 02/12/2012, 07:05 PMQuote from: RegalSin on 02/12/2012, 06:46 PMYeah I saw the confirmation email. I am waiting for the game to be sent. Unsealed, so I can play it.
Lol, are your fingers broke?
What does the financial status of his fingers have to do with anything?
They can't play games if they're down at the welfare office trolling for foodstamps
Quote from: guest on 02/13/2012, 01:08 AMQuote from: Senshi on 02/12/2012, 07:05 PMQuote from: RegalSin on 02/12/2012, 06:46 PMYeah I saw the confirmation email. I am waiting for the game to be sent. Unsealed, so I can play it.
Lol, are your fingers broke?
What does the financial status of his fingers have to do with anything?
Lol..wut? He said "Unsealed so I can play it" I was assuming he was unable to open it himself.
sealed homebrew games are for gays.
I haven't gotten my confirmation email yet. I'm worried it might have been delivered to my spam folder and deleted. :|
Quote from: Arjak on 02/13/2012, 02:50 PMI haven't gotten my confirmation email yet. I'm worried it might have been delivered to my spam folder and deleted. :|
Mine was in my spam.
Quote from: Senshi on 02/13/2012, 02:11 PMLol..wut? He said "Unsealed so I can play it" I was assuming he was unable to open it himself.
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Quote from: guest on 02/13/2012, 02:13 PMsealed homebrew games are for gays.
Im going to seal mine once it arrives. Then get it VGA graded. Then show off to everyone with a website I made to display it, in it's sealed VGA box.
Quote from: BlackandBlue on 02/14/2012, 01:53 PMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 02/13/2012, 02:13 PMsealed homebrew games are for gays.
Im going to seal mine once it arrives. Then get it VGA graded. Then show off to everyone with a website I made to display it, in it's sealed VGA box.
Im sure all the gays will love it then! =3 lol.
Quote from: guest on 02/14/2012, 02:03 PMQuote from: BlackandBlue on 02/14/2012, 01:53 PMQuote from: guest on 02/13/2012, 02:13 PMsealed homebrew games are for gays.
Im going to seal mine once it arrives. Then get it VGA graded. Then show off to everyone with a website I made to display it, in it's sealed VGA box.
Im sure all the gays will love it then! =3 lol.
:D
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 02/13/2012, 02:13 PMsealed homebrew games are for gays.
I think it's fine for homebrew games to ship unsealed, but opening a new game is still cool. It would be a nice touch for new Turbo/PCE games to come sealed, even in just shrinkwrap, with a gold SUPER CD logo, like some CD2 games had.
You could also have some stickers professionally printed pretty cheap, that have some sort of anti-game grading message or something. So that if anyone tries to have them graded, they would have to preserve the anti-VGA message, since the game would not be truly complete without it or the seal it's attached to. If anyone did go through with it and the VGA or whoever actually graded it, a buyer dumb enough to buy a gouged graded homebrew game would always have a little note on the front saying "you're an idiot".
You could also have a sticker simply giving the url of where to officially buy the game with the retail price. Gougers would have to try selling it without a photo or unsealed.
Quote from: CrackTiger on 02/15/2012, 03:14 PMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 02/13/2012, 02:13 PMsealed homebrew games are for gays.
I think it's fine for homebrew games to ship unsealed, but opening a new game is still cool. It would be a nice touch for new Turbo/PCE games to come sealed, even in just shrinkwrap, with a gold SUPER CD logo, like some CD2 games had.
You could also have some stickers professionally printed pretty cheap, that have some sort of anti-game grading message or something. So that if anyone tries to have them graded, they would have to preserve the anti-VGA message, since the game would not be truly complete without it or the seal it's attached to. If anyone did go through with it and the VGA or whoever actually graded it, a buyer dumb enough to buy a gouged graded homebrew game would always have a little note on the front saying "you're an idiot".
You could also have a sticker simply giving the url of where to officially buy the game with the retail price. Gougers would have to try selling it without a photo or unsealed.
Better still, photocopy the Deep Blue inlay and shove it on top, than seal it. Let's see them resell that.
Quote from: guest on 02/15/2012, 03:14 PMQuote from: guest on 02/13/2012, 02:13 PMsealed homebrew games are for gays.
I think it's fine for homebrew games to ship unsealed, but opening a new game is still cool. It would be a nice touch for new Turbo/PCE games to come sealed, even in just shrinkwrap, with a gold SUPER CD logo, like some CD2 games had.
You could also have some stickers professionally printed pretty cheap, that have some sort of anti-game grading message or something. So that if anyone tries to have them graded, they would have to preserve the anti-VGA message, since the game would not be truly complete without it or the seal it's attached to. If anyone did go through with it and the VGA or whoever actually graded it, a buyer dumb enough to buy a gouged graded homebrew game would always have a little note on the front saying "you're an idiot".
You could also have a sticker simply giving the url of where to officially buy the game with the retail price. Gougers would have to try selling it without a photo or unsealed.
Quote from: guest on 02/15/2012, 03:43 PMQuote from: guest on 02/15/2012, 03:14 PMQuote from: guest on 02/13/2012, 02:13 PMsealed homebrew games are for gays.
I think it's fine for homebrew games to ship unsealed, but opening a new game is still cool. It would be a nice touch for new Turbo/PCE games to come sealed, even in just shrinkwrap, with a gold SUPER CD logo, like some CD2 games had.
You could also have some stickers professionally printed pretty cheap, that have some sort of anti-game grading message or something. So that if anyone tries to have them graded, they would have to preserve the anti-VGA message, since the game would not be truly complete without it or the seal it's attached to. If anyone did go through with it and the VGA or whoever actually graded it, a buyer dumb enough to buy a gouged graded homebrew game would always have a little note on the front saying "you're an idiot".
You could also have a sticker simply giving the url of where to officially buy the game with the retail price. Gougers would have to try selling it without a photo or unsealed.
Better still, photocopy the Deep Blue inlay and shove it on top, than seal it. Let's see them resell that.
Genius. Both of them. :)
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 02/13/2012, 02:13 PMsealed homebrew games are for gays.
I know a few gays who prefer playing games to keeping them sealed, although one of them is awfully careful about his role-playing books... He uses them, but you better not mistreat them or he'll put a cap in your ass.
Quote from: guest on 02/15/2012, 10:09 PMhe'll put a cap in your ass.
No butt plugs for me!
:D
I dont mind gays. The joke was referencing a SNL skit with Stallone, is all. :)
Great news! I've just completed the order to have 500 copies of MSR pressed! It's still going to take some time until the actual manufacturing phase begins, we have to ship a master copy to Nationwide Disc and have a CSR look over and finalize our project. To help speed things up, and hopefully have this ready in time for the MGC, we've fastened production time from 15 - 20 days down to 10!
I'll keep you all updated on the process. In the mean time Nod will be preparing the pre-order bonuses.
Don't you mean quickened? Fastened means attached...
Quote from: guest on 02/28/2012, 06:07 PMDon't you mean quickened?
As in "There can be only ONE!" ?
Quote from: guest on 02/28/2012, 06:07 PMDon't you mean quickened? Fastened means attached...
Nope, fastened. As in fasten your seat belt, MSR will be available on a Turbo Duo near you!
Ohh yeah! Can't wait!
Oh, don't listen to Keranu, he's full of cow dooky!
Keranu's sending out the IPR form this afternoon, and my lady will be dropping the master CDRs in the mailbox this afternoon as well... all headed for Texas. :)
Quote from: OldRover on 03/01/2012, 03:06 AMKeranu's sending out the IPR form this afternoon, and my lady will be dropping the master CDRs in the mailbox this afternoon as well... all headed for Texas. :)
Hell yeahhhh!!! No more buying for me till I buy this. I cant wait.
Quote from: Keranu on 02/28/2012, 06:34 PMQuote from: guest on 02/28/2012, 06:07 PMDon't you mean quickened? Fastened means attached...
Nope, fastened. As in fasten your seat belt, MSR will be available on a Turbo Duo near you!
so stoked! I couldn't care less about it being sealed, maybe after the pre orders are sent out, and the first wave of buyers dies down a bit, then seal the rest (Even if it's just shrink wrap). I might actually want a second copy sealed...... O_O
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 03/01/2012, 08:09 AMthen seal the rest (Even if it's just shrink wrap). I might actually want a second copy sealed...... O_O
what part of this sounds like a good idea.
Packaging the masters up :)
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May I suggest that you encase it in carbonite??
OK... wifey has taken it to the post office... it's outta here! :) Should arrive in Texas no later than Monday.
now that you have said that, it will be lost in transit, and delayed further.
Knowing full well ahead of time that saying it will jinx it quite often leads the jinx to jinx itself out of spite, so it's all good. :)
I hear the plane crashing right now.
I just got back from the post office, the IPR form has been sent to Nationwide Disc! We're just about ready to go!
So just to do some quick estimates.... supposing the masters and IPR arrive on Monday, it will take 24-48 hours for the project manager to look over and confirm all the details with me. If that all goes well, lets assume manufacturing takes place the next day, March 8th, and from there it will take 10 business days to produce (so excluding Saturday and Sundays), which would end on March 22nd. After production it will take around 3 days to ship here, so everything might be ready by Monday, March 26th.
This is based off a lot of guesstimation, there's a lot of factors involved. If we're lucky, it might arrive sooner, hopefully in time for the MGC. Or the confirmation process might take longer than expected, so it could arrive later. I'll update the progress here.
Quote from: Keranu on 03/01/2012, 04:44 PMI just got back from the post office, the IPR form has been sent to Nationwide Disc! We're just about ready to go!
So just to do some quick estimates.... supposing the masters and IPR arrive on Monday, it will take 24-48 hours for the project manager to look over and confirm all the details with me. If that all goes well, lets assume manufacturing takes place the next day, March 8th, and from there it will take 10 business days to produce (so excluding Saturday and Sundays), which would end on March 22nd. After production it will take around 3 days to ship here, so everything might be ready by Monday, March 26th.
This is based off a lot of guesstimation, there's a lot of factors involved. If we're lucky, it might arrive sooner, hopefully in time for the MGC. Or the confirmation process might take longer than expected, so it could arrive later. I'll update the progress here.
If the masters sent don't pass inspection, you won't make MGC.
How many copies were made?
Nod mailed in two master copies. Or if you're asking about how many discs will be pressed, 500.
I sent 10 masters, lol.
Hopefully they're spotless. One imperfection = failure... and they won't press if that happens. :-/
Yikes! Please don't jinx us any further! (or wait, is that a good thing as nod posted? I'm confused)
I dunno, all I'm saying is don't bank on your 10 day timeframe until the inspector says its good to go.
I'm not banking on it... just being hopeful.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 03/01/2012, 05:24 PMI'm not banking on it... just being hopeful.
Pessimism is the order of the day!
Only because, well, one little, tiny, itsy scuff is all it takes for them to fire that shit in the trash.
I hope it goes well though. You've had enough fuckin' problems. You're all tapped out! You should be set.
I've replicated numerous CDs and DVDs (never though National, but have used a few different replicators) and most of the time sent 2 or 3 masters and there was never any issue. Probably about 10 different projects over the past 4 years. You'll be fine. :) One of the replicators even allowed us to upload an iso in case there was a problem with the master (though we didn't need to).
Quote from: OldRover on 03/01/2012, 04:18 PMKnowing full well ahead of time that saying it will jinx it quite often leads the jinx to jinx itself out of spite, so it's all good. :)
Congrats! It must have felt good to finally send that package out (https://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgRT.png)
Yes, & it'll feel even better when it's in peoples hands!! :D
Update!
The IPR form and master copies arrived at Nationwide Disc yesterday and I just got a confirmation email today. Here's a piece of good news from the email: "With your approval by 10:30 am CST Wednesday, your project will complete production and ship out on March 21st and should arrive via UPS on March 23rd."
Which would mean it would arrive just the day before the MGC!
For the most part, the job and packaging details looks good. The only things that need correcting are the label cropping and the CD print color. If all goes well, this won't cause any delay, but I can't say for sure.
Let's pray that they don't get caught up in the mail for any reason. That is fantastic news otherwise! :D
I look forward to the chance of seeing the game at the MGC. :)
Later.
Quote from: Keranu on 03/06/2012, 10:09 PMUpdate!
The IPR form and master copies arrived at Nationwide Disc yesterday and I just got a confirmation email today. Here's a piece of good news from the email: "With your approval by 10:30 am CST Wednesday, your project will complete production and ship out on March 21st and should arrive via UPS on March 23rd."
Which would mean it would arrive just the day before the MGC!
For the most part, the job and packaging details looks good. The only things that need correcting are the label cropping and the CD print color. If all goes well, this won't cause any delay, but I can't say for sure.
(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/cooks_transb.gif) Cook is waiting patiently!
The approval phase is complete! Production on MSR will begin shortly!
"Your job is scheduled to finish production at the end of the day on March 22nd. This estimated date is based on your master disc(s) passing integrity testing and copyright checks. Any delay in these areas will result in a delay of the completion of your project. Should your job finish prior to this date we will ship it."
Quote from: Keranu on 03/08/2012, 06:54 PMThe approval phase is complete! Production on MSR will begin shortly!
"Your job is scheduled to finish production at the end of the day on March 22nd. This estimated date is based on your master disc(s) passing integrity testing and copyright checks. Any delay in these areas will result in a delay of the completion of your project. Should your job finish prior to this date we will ship it."
MSR is finished! :D
Quote from: CrackTiger on 03/08/2012, 06:58 PMMSR is finished! :D
It ain't over 'till it's over! ; )
Quote from: Keranu on 03/08/2012, 06:54 PMThe approval phase is complete! Production on MSR will begin shortly!
"Your job is scheduled to finish production at the end of the day on March 22nd. This estimated date is based on your master disc(s) passing integrity testing and copyright checks. Any delay in these areas will result in a delay of the completion of your project. Should your job finish prior to this date we will ship it."
What kind of shipping are they going to use to send them out? I'd be cool if they overnight it.
They ship UPS.
Quote from: OldRover on 03/08/2012, 11:33 PMThey ship UPS.
Is it their standard shipping?
Yep, UPS ground. The shipping is supposed to only take 2 days, but a previous email I got placed the estimated arrival date for the 26th (Monday).
Quote from: Keranu on 03/09/2012, 12:02 AMYep, UPS ground. The shipping is supposed to only take 2 days, but a previous email I got placed the estimated arrival date for the 26th (Monday).
Do you have some sort of master CD that you can at least show off at MGC if they don't arrive in time?
Quote from: Mathius on 03/09/2012, 12:31 AMDo you have some sort of master CD that you can at least show off at MGC if they don't arrive in time?
No, but I could always mail someone a gold CDR with the game on it if someone wants to demo it.
Quote from: OldRover on 03/09/2012, 12:44 AMQuote from: Mathius on 03/09/2012, 12:31 AMDo you have some sort of master CD that you can at least show off at MGC if they don't arrive in time?
No, but I could always mail someone a gold CDR with the game on it if someone wants to demo it.
You may want to get one to Keranu just in case.
Keranu won't be there #-o So...not sure what's gonna happen. :-k
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 03/09/2012, 01:06 AMKeranu won't be there #-o So...not sure what's gonna happen. :-k
I can probably represent it if needed.
Huh??? When did this all happen? :(
Quote from: BlueBMW on 03/09/2012, 01:12 AMQuote from: ParanoiaDragon on 03/09/2012, 01:06 AMKeranu won't be there #-o So...not sure what's gonna happen. :-k
I can probably represent it if needed.
There's an idea. Thoughts?
Quote from: Mathius on 03/08/2012, 11:52 PMQuote from: OldRover on 03/08/2012, 11:33 PMThey ship UPS.
Is it their standard shipping?
Yes, although for an extra $3.99 they can ship by rocket.
If Keranu isn't there who IS going to be there lol...
and, expect some smashed cases due to UPS being retarded.
If the pressing house packages the product adequately, it should minimize breakage, even via UPS. Then again, if they put minimal to no padding and just fill a box corner to corner...
Quote from: guest on 03/09/2012, 03:13 PMIf the pressing house packages the product adequately, it should minimize breakage, even via UPS. Then again, if they put minimal to no padding and just fill a box corner to corner...
I used the same pressing house.
I speak from experience.
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 03/09/2012, 04:10 PMI used the same pressing house.
I speak from experience.
I take it their packaging leaves something to be desired, then...
If we receive any broken cases, I could give them away free of charge to anyone interested, just pay shipping.
Quote from: guest on 03/09/2012, 04:36 PMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 03/09/2012, 04:10 PMI used the same pressing house.
I speak from experience.
I take it their packaging leaves something to be desired, then...
There's only so much you can do to prevent jewel cases from shattering when they're in boxes of like 50, being man handled by mouth breathers at UPS.
All the padding in the world isn't going to stop their internal weight from cracking flimsy jewel cases when Delivery Dave tosses the boxes into the truck like a pro wrestler.
(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/cooks_transb.gif) Cook hears the cracking of jewel cases!
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 03/09/2012, 08:13 PMThere's only so much you can do to prevent jewel cases from shattering when they're in boxes of like 50, being man handled by mouth breathers at UPS.
All the padding in the world isn't going to stop their internal weight from cracking flimsy jewel cases when Delivery Dave tosses the boxes into the truck like a pro wrestler.
Ha. No kidding. I've had friends who worked at UPS tell stories and advise me to ship items in a hard plastic cooler wrapped in duct tape if I want anything to survive their ground service. 2-day air is safer as the other packages are mostly light business parcels.
Quote from: guest on 03/09/2012, 04:10 PMI used the same pressing house.
I speak from experience.
How many pieces have you pressed ??
It's with glassmaster, or not ???
And the last, how many cost ??
Quote from: touko on 03/13/2012, 04:53 AMQuote from: guest on 03/09/2012, 04:10 PMI used the same pressing house.
I speak from experience.
How many pieces have you pressed ??
It's with glassmaster, or not ???
And the last, how many cost ??
www.nationwidedisc.com has your answers :)
Thanks ..
In fact it is a little less expensive than France, plus in france the minimum quantity is 500 .
I don't think that professional pressed is a good thing (too expensive, and mainly with too many quantities )
Quote from: touko on 03/13/2012, 04:53 AMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 03/09/2012, 04:10 PMI used the same pressing house.
I speak from experience.
How many pieces have you pressed ??
It's with glassmaster, or not ???
And the last, how many cost ??
I thought it was public knowledge by now that I pressed 500 copies. Pressed, not duplicated.
It cost like 1000$
Ah ok, thanks for the answer man ..
All your copies are sold ??
500, is really too much for an homebrew . :cry:
No, I've got enough spares to throw up in the air and shoot with shotguns in the woods.
300 was the minimum, and 500 was only an extra like , 90$.
LOL
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 03/13/2012, 11:15 AMNo, I've got enough spares to throw up in the air and shoot with shotguns in the woods.
You can use them as Valentines on Valentines' Day! Plant cutesy little messages on post-its inside the cases. heh... ugh.
Quote from: touko on 03/13/2012, 10:50 AMAh ok, thanks for the answer man ..
All your copies are sold ??
500, is really too much for an homebrew . :cry:
Yeah its also pretty well known, well atleast to developers of Homebrew anyway, that you don't get in it for the money.... its all for the glory (and the bitches)
Quote from: lord_cack on 03/13/2012, 09:49 PMits all for the glory (and the bitches)
Lol, i like that, mainly for bitches ..
However, i see no glory in spoiling 400 useless copies for pigeons shooting, or coasters . :mrgreen:
Is this for sale yet, the paypal link still stipulates that it is still on preorder.
Until the boxes arrive in Illinois in a week or so, it's still considered a preorder. We haven't had any updates from Nationwide since the authorization... no news is good news, I suppose.
Quote from: touko on 03/14/2012, 04:13 AMQuote from: lord_cack on 03/13/2012, 09:49 PMits all for the glory (and the bitches)
Lol, i like that, mainly for bitches ..
However, i see no glory in spoiling 400 useless copies for pigeons shooting, or coasters . :mrgreen:
Hey, they are top shelf coasters though, and probably cheaper than the equivalent in Clay Pigeons, though its been years so I don't know the going rate for them these days hehe :D
lol .
which is expensive in clay pigeons, it is the wings . :P
We heard from Nationwide... they're confused. lol. :) They stated that there was an issue at 1:17 in the disc, causing "a loud buzz". Of course, 1:17 is where track 2 starts, which is the data track... Keranu had to tell them "hey bozos, this is a Turbob game, so you better obey". :) Hopefully this doesn't delay anything.
They also pointed out that the spine was upside down on one side. :wink:
I'd say that hearing from them this far along without any problems about the disc copying properly is a very good sign. :)
Quote from: CrackTiger on 03/15/2012, 10:09 AMI'd say that hearing from them this far along without any problems about the disc copying properly is a very good sign. :)
But, they haven't copied the disc yet.
This is them still verifying the pretend one. They aren't going to create a glass master until they are 100% sure this thing is legit and good to go.
Quote from: guest on 03/15/2012, 10:09 AMThey also pointed out that the spine was upside down on one side. :wink:
I'm pretty sure Keranu told them that that's how it's supposed to be. :D
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 03/15/2012, 11:21 AMQuote from: CrackTiger on 03/15/2012, 10:09 AMI'd say that hearing from them this far along without any problems about the disc copying properly is a very good sign. :)
But, they haven't copied the disc yet.
This is them still verifying the pretend one. They aren't going to create a glass master until they are 100% sure this thing is legit and good to go.
So it takes them a week or two to verify a disc before attempting to copy it? Did they send you a message once they determined it was all good?
Quote from: CrackTiger on 03/15/2012, 12:46 PMSo it takes them a week or two to verify a disc before attempting to copy it? Did they send you a message once they determined it was all good?
They do more in that week than just verify the disc, and any time you have to respond before they can proceed adds to the time taken.
I sent in the master disc, they verified it and asked if my art looked ok (sent proofs), I said yes do it, and then we were all set.
It took 1.5 weeks from the time I overnighted the discs to the time they showed up at my house.
My first master I sent was slightly gooned up so they said to send a new one, so I ended up overnighting ~10 of them or something and said here pick the best one.
The fact that they are paying such close attention is a very good sign! I guess I should get off my lazy ass and preorder...
Quote from: JKM on 03/15/2012, 02:40 PMThe fact that they are paying such close attention is a very good sign! I guess I should get off my lazy ass and preorder...
well they have to. that's how it works lol.
otherwise they make a defective disc, and piss everyone off, and have to fix it.
and that would be a waste of money and resources for the company.
Quote from: OldRover on 03/15/2012, 12:22 PMQuote from: guest on 03/15/2012, 10:09 AMThey also pointed out that the spine was upside down on one side. :wink:
I'm pretty sure Keranu told them that that's how it's supposed to be. :D
Sure did!
Waiting for our project manager to get back to us with more info.
(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/cooks_transb.gif) Cook is eagerly awaiting further status updates.
I just checked out https://web.archive.org/web/2000/http://www.frozenutopia.com and Neutopia 3 was on the projects page, will that game be released any time soon, Neutopia is one of my favourite games and would love a third part to it.
I'm curious about N3 as well. I'm distraught to see it's not listed on Obeybrew.
Neutopia III is a massive project that is going to take thousands of hours of work. It's on the backburner right now because it's so huge... we have a few other games lined up before we get to it. Also, the guy who we took on to help out with it just suddenly disappeared out of the blue.
There is some solid tile work done on Neutopia III and every-now-and-then I check in on them and touch them up or try and work on some new tiles. But, as Nod said, this will be a MASSIVE project.
They're both lying, we're releasing it tomorrow!!!! Surprise! No, but seriously, yeah, what Nod said. There's bunch of tile & sprite work, as well as a slew of songs for it already. However, atleast in my regard, any song that I feel I finished for it, I now want to touch up, as I feel my skills have improved since we originally started the project. And other songs just need to be fleshed out in general, along with the songs that I hadn't started yet. Also, when the time comes, I'd like to have real guitar's wailing in various spots, but my original guy, Jevax, ain't gonna be doing it. It seemed like Nate of Vodkatron was interested, but I think he's been having alot of real life stuff going on. Ofcoarse, that doesn't mean he won't be available by the time we go full steam on this one!
As cool as all the current homebrew projects are looking (and they all certainly are), Neutopia 3 is the one I'm the most excited about; admittedly out of nostalgia.
That being said, I'm geared up for Mysterious Song. I even bought an extension cable for my Duo specifically so I can get cozy in my chair and play it.
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 03/16/2012, 07:08 AMThey're both lying, we're releasing it tomorrow!!!! Surprise! No, but seriously, yeah, what Nod said. There's bunch of tile & sprite work, as well as a slew of songs for it already. However, atleast in my regard, any song that I feel I finished for it, I now want to touch up, as I feel my skills have improved since we originally started the project. And other songs just need to be fleshed out in general, along with the songs that I hadn't started yet. Also, when the time comes, I'd like to have real guitar's wailing in various spots, but my original guy, Jevax, ain't gonna be doing it. It seemed like Nate of Vodkatron was interested, but I think he's been having alot of real life stuff going on. Ofcoarse, that doesn't mean he won't be available by the time we go full steam on this one!
If any guitar wailing is needed, jus lemme kno ;)
Some fan service from the manual-
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Quote from: Gogan on 03/16/2012, 04:50 PMQuote from: ParanoiaDragon on 03/16/2012, 07:08 AMThey're both lying, we're releasing it tomorrow!!!! Surprise! No, but seriously, yeah, what Nod said. There's bunch of tile & sprite work, as well as a slew of songs for it already. However, atleast in my regard, any song that I feel I finished for it, I now want to touch up, as I feel my skills have improved since we originally started the project. And other songs just need to be fleshed out in general, along with the songs that I hadn't started yet. Also, when the time comes, I'd like to have real guitar's wailing in various spots, but my original guy, Jevax, ain't gonna be doing it. It seemed like Nate of Vodkatron was interested, but I think he's been having alot of real life stuff going on. Ofcoarse, that doesn't mean he won't be available by the time we go full steam on this one!
If any guitar wailing is needed, jus lemme kno ;)
Cool, I'll have to keep you in mind when the time comes.
Thats awesome! but I'm a little out of the loop, Valkyrie Midnight? sounds interesting...
As for Neutopia III, you guys going to make it on Hucard like the other 2?
Quote from: incrediblehark on 03/17/2012, 12:44 AMThats awesome! but I'm a little out of the loop, Valkyrie Midnight? sounds interesting...
No one really knows about Valkyrie Midnight yet. Shhhhh... :) lol
Quote from: incrediblehark on 03/17/2012, 12:44 AMAs for Neutopia III, you guys going to make it on Hucard like the other 2?
No, it's a CD game... it's too large for hucard. The game world is several times the size of Neutopia II's, and you're not limited to just one main character... you have a choice of four different characters to play as, and each one has their own unique story and side-quests. The basic gameplay mechanics remain intact, but enemies are smarter (especially bosses), the storyline is deeper and more involved (and notably darker too), and now there are free-scrolling areas a la LttP.
Not to mention cd music not unlike what Hudson did for Dungeon Explorer 2(not that my stuff is as good, but, in the same vein) & we plan to have cinemas(once again, think DE2, though, it would be a different style of art obviously).
Quote from: OldRover on 03/17/2012, 01:40 AMQuote from: incrediblehark on 03/17/2012, 12:44 AMAs for Neutopia III, you guys going to make it on Hucard like the other 2?
No, it's a CD game... it's too large for hucard. The game world is several times the size of Neutopia II's, and you're not limited to just one main character... you have a choice of four different characters to play as, and each one has their own unique story and side-quests. The basic gameplay mechanics remain intact, but enemies are smarter (especially bosses), the storyline is deeper and more involved (and notably darker too), and now there are free-scrolling areas a la LttP.
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I suspect that producing Neutopia 3 is likely to lead to a lawsuit, or at least a request from lawyers that may mean you'll have to destroy anything you make. Neutopia is a trademark, and since the Neutopia games are sold on the Wii Virtual Console the trademark is still in active use.
Neutopia III was started long before the trademark was re-established. I would love to see them pursue legal action against us... that would be one hell of a publicity boost for us. :)
If they come banging down the door after people making a few hundred copies who are making 0 profit, then we'll just change it into a spiritual sequal. It's not a series like say...Cosmic Fantasy or Ys, where characters from previous games are in it. Since each game is it's own epoch. The second game only had 2 character's from the 1st, Dirth & Jazeta. Everything else was fresh material. So if there's any characters that are in N3 that are from previous games, it should be easy to change their names, but still keep the story the same.
Also, I was thinking, I don't know much about trademarks or whatever, but, I think the names Neutopia I & II are trademarked, but not the Neutopia name in general :-k Even still, when we're done, I'd love to sell it to Konami so that they can release it on the VC & PS3. Actually, I think N1 & 2 are on PS3 as well. Or maybe it's just the first one so far?
This makes me think of when Hasbro almost lost the name "Megatron"! Trademarks only last so long unless they are renewed.
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 03/18/2012, 02:16 AMIf they come banging down the door after people making a few hundred copies who are making 0 profit, then we'll just change it into a spiritual sequal.
They can come bang down the door after you've made a couple of hundred copies but before you've sold them. You will then be out the money it takes to make those copies. You don't have to be making profit for them to come after you.
As for being renewed, as I pointed out, putting the games on the VC effectively does mean the trademarks are renewed. You might be able to get away with saying that Neutopia 3 was announced before the games made it to VC, but ultimately using that as your defense is still going to require paying for a lawyer.
Quote from: guest on 03/15/2012, 03:32 PMwell they have to. that's how it works lol.
otherwise they make a defective disc, and piss everyone off, and have to fix it.
and that would be a waste of money and resources for the company.
I've done a little CD duplicating on a much smaller scale, but what I mean is that many people would just check to see that they had a perfect 1:1 copy, and wouldn't notice or care that there was a "buzzing" track. The attitude would be "If a track if fucked up it's their own damn fault for sending a bad master disc, I made a perfect copy." Obviously this is terrible customer service, but that's how a lot of places operate.
Quote from: arromdee on 03/18/2012, 03:10 AMQuote from: ParanoiaDragon on 03/18/2012, 02:16 AMIf they come banging down the door after people making a few hundred copies who are making 0 profit, then we'll just change it into a spiritual sequal.
They can come bang down the door after you've made a couple of hundred copies but before you've sold them. You will then be out the money it takes to make those copies. You don't have to be making profit for them to come after you.
That I know, it really depends on how desperate they are really. Maybe Konami is hurting for $, I don't know. I know that alot of big companies really just don't care about people with copywrited or trademarked material. It's usually when those people get big that the companies start to attack. Though, it does seem like people in general are getting more & more sue happy.
Then a spiritual sequal it is, Neutopia 3, is no more.
Or maybe we could just release it for free. That means no physical copy, which for me, is a big bummer, but still, it'll be nice to have for people to play no matter what form it takes. I haven't heard of anyone getting shot down for making new Mario, Metroid, Zelda, etc. for free, they're all over the net, & have been for years. The only one I can think of that got shot down, was an N64 version of Chrono Trigger IIRC?
They can always say "we're going to sue you for what you already did in the past, unless you agree to this settlement, which obliges you to destroy all copies of the game whether renamed or not".
QuoteOr maybe we could just release it for free.
Unfortunately, that won't necessarily stop a C&D :/
QuoteI haven't heard of anyone getting shot down for making new Mario, Metroid, Zelda, etc.
I have. Usually rom hacks are exempt from this, but there was even a famous Chrono Trigger rom hack that got a C&D because it gained so much popularity (it wasn't even finished, either).
A C&D doesn't mean shit. It's all bark with no bite. And dragging an indie into the courtroom for something so petty makes the company out to be a laughing stock in the industry. They cannot bully me. :)
Quote from: TurboXray on 03/18/2012, 10:49 AMQuoteOr maybe we could just release it for free.
Unfortunately, that won't necessarily stop a C&D :/
QuoteI haven't heard of anyone getting shot down for making new Mario, Metroid, Zelda, etc.
I have. Usually rom hacks are exempt from this, but there was even a famous Chrono Trigger rom hack that got a C&D because it gained so much popularity (it wasn't even finished, either).
Sega also stopped the free Streets of Rage game.
Neutopia III would be diffetent that the CT and SoR sequels, in that it wouldn't use any assets from published games. I do think that legal action is more likely now that Konami is involved.
I think that it would be best to to code name the project Neutopia III and just release it with the subtitle as the official title.
Call it Newtopia.
No company will be made a laughing stock in the industry for suing fans. They may be a laughingstock in a few circles on the Internet, but that's all. It's not going to hurt them in any real way. Do you really think that Square Enix was made a laughingstock for shutting down Chrono Resurrection? Maybe to a few people's friends, but it certainly doesn't hurt their profits, and the stockholders don't care and probably would approve if they had even heard of it.
And yes, they can bully you. Unless you're going to refuse a court order and get arrested and sent off to jail. The whole point of jail is to bully the person being sent to jail, and you're not immune to it.
I think the point is that they would only be on the hook for the title, nothing else, and in that case they can change the title. They already said they're not using any assets from the original game, so there's no copyright infringement. If all that's going on it a trademark issue, the worst that will happen is they have to change the name.
Trademark issues have a lot more graduated path of resolution, legally speaking, than copyright and patent claims.
Call it HuTOPIA and put it on card.
I hope you all realize its the copyright that you are really worried about, and those last for a long ass time. Trademarks establish something used within trade, like a logo and name. Aetherbyte is trademarked. It's my mark used during trade. You don't trademark the contents of the game, and you don't trademark the word itself. You trademark the logo. The appearance and everything have to be documented and if you start using the word in a different style, you have to get a new trademark.
Neutopia's trademark being active is something entirely different. This would be an issue if you release something with NEUTOPIA all over it. It wouldn't even matter what you release, as long as it says Neutopia. In this case, it looks like you planned on using the Neutopia logo, so you're hosed right there. It's possible the trademark never actually ended. There'd be what a 2 year time frame where it may have been inactive and you announced Neutopia 3? For all we all know, they could have renewed it. I see it was renewed in 1993, so that makes it good til at least 2003. They probably renewed it. It's pocket change for them to protect their stuff.
You've been infringing on the copyright with Neutopia 3 since you announced it, as it never actually expired.
If they decide to pursue it, you can claim "they can't bully me" all you want. However, they have the funds and manpower to ream your ass open wider than Goatse's if they want to, as you are messing with their copyright and trademark all in one package.
A C&D is like a warning. "Stop doing this before we fuck you up". I'd consider getting one of those before getting raped a blessing.
Publicity wouldn't likely benefit you anyways, as you'd be so fucked financially that you'd have nowhere to go with it. :) Court isn't free. Especially if you lose.
and that's if you even get publicity, This isn't Square Soft, and you're not jockin' Chrono Trigger. You'd have to do the work yourself to get people to notice probably. Post all over DigitPress and shit until enough people notice.
but even then, who's to say people outside of PCEFX would even give two shits.
Quote from: arromdee on 03/18/2012, 01:29 PMNo company will be made a laughing stock in the industry for suing fans.
Yeah they will. Being able to bully other companies is a big deal to corporate America, and getting the proverbial middle finger flipped at you and then being forced into court means that you don't have the savvy to manipulate others... and that makes you weak, and a laughing stock. And it's even moreso knowing the fact that it's Konami who holds the puppet strings now... they're notorious for their bully tactics and legal threats.
Quote from: arromdee on 03/18/2012, 01:29 PMAnd yes, they can bully you. Unless you're going to refuse a court order and get arrested and sent off to jail. The whole point of jail is to bully the person being sent to jail, and you're not immune to it.
Let them take us to court. It'll be fun. Then they will have to prove not only infringement but also profit loss. Also, there is no copyright infringement... we're not actually using any of their copyrighted work. The trademark? Sure... but if push comes to shove, we just change the name and there ain't a lick they can do against us.
Don't think I haven't already fully researched all of this over the years.
I bet Rainbow Arts were just as confident when they released The Great Giana Sisters, which was on the shelf for all of about 5 minutes before Nintendo stepped in. Why tempt fate?
Yes I know, they were bullied off the market by Nintendo. Nintendo also has a long history of doing such things.
Anyone remember the Fighter's History case? Data East flipped off Capcom, it got dragged into court, and Capcom got their collective asses kicked.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 03/18/2012, 04:05 PMAnyone remember the Fighter's History case? Data East flipped off Capcom, it got dragged into court, and Capcom got their collective asses kicked.
Data East was a larger company than Rainbow Arts with greater financial resources, but then again, I do agree that trademark issues are less likely to hurt as much and easier to mitigate quickly and easily. The Rainbow Arts case was a while back and I haven't seen any cases of the sort in a long time, short of the Tetris look-and-feel C&Ds. Konami/Hudson couldn't argue look and feel for Neutopia because they pretty much ripped off Zelda and the like when they made it.
I don't think it is a good idea to tempt fate and throw yourself and everyone who'd be working on Neutopia 3 under the bus. "They can't bully me" is a crock. Yes they can. You're not in any position to defend yourself if they bring up a lawsuit. None of us are. We're dipshits doing this in our spare time. You lack the manpower and financial standing to go toe to toe with them in court. It'd be like bringing a nerf gun to a tactical nuke fight.
They can hose you down if you even imply it's a Neutopia sequel. Change the name. Don't imply it's related to Neutopia in any way. Let the players imply it. It'll be everyones secret.
Golvellius and Neutopia got away with being released because they turned out to be different enough that suing them wouldn't do anything. Golvellius had all those sideways action scenes, Neutopia had well, way better features than Zelda did.. including USEFUL TALKING....
Giana Sister's got fucked because of this:
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See that grafitti? Yeah that's them saying "Hey look we ripped your shit off Nintendo, and now we're giving you the finger". Add in the barely different sprites and map layouts, and yep, you get hosed.
If you put this out as Neutopia 3, and say it's a sequel, you're asking to get fucked.
Global Games Company got sued out of existence by Games Workshop for Legions of Steel and PlanetStorm being so similar to Space Hulk and Warhammer 40k, respectively.
Sure you may get publicity, and you may feel like they are being made a laughing stock for bullying you, but, who's going to get the last laugh when you're flailing around dealing with court fees and all of that shit? It sure as hell won't be you laughing, lol.
I'd just change the name and make sure you use from scratch artwork.
As Nintendo's first third-party developer, I do believe that the reason the Zelda/Neutopia bit was never pursued in court was because Hudson was still playing grab-ass with top Nintendo execs at the time. Had it been anyone other than Hudson, I think Nintendo would have shit a golden brick and used it to pay their lawyers to sue the "enemy" out of existence. The original Neutopia is such a blatant ripoff of the original Legend Of Zelda that it's not even funny... so if Nintendo can bully Rainbow Arts off the market for a game that is merely inspired by another game, then imagine what they would try to a company who directly ripped off an entire game concept...
The Tetris Company is pretty damn hardcore about going after lookalikes, and they are fiercely protective of the name "Tetris". I'd be more worried about them than Konami/Hudson.
And no, they can't bully me. They can only try. Again, our game doesn't use ANY of their IP. AT ALL. So there are no copyright violations whatsoever. Aside from the name, they have absolutely nothing, so if we simply change the name, they have zero legal ground. Of course, if we can't have it as "Neutopia III", there is no actual point in producing it, so it's an all-or-nothing deal.
Of course, people are also forgetting one other detail of this... once N3 is underway and we have a working game engine going, I'm going to contact Konami personally and work out a deal with them. Could go either way, but they're not an unfriendly company (not like Namco... ugh) and they have no problem sniffing out new revenue sources, especially if it means less work for them.
Well, there are examples that go both ways. For example, Abobo's Big Adventure is still up, and this game steals every sprite on Earth.
http://abobosbigadventure.com/
If this game can stay alive (though, I suppose there is the "parody" aspect), then I figure anything can.
Quote from: OldRover on 03/18/2012, 03:35 PMLet them take us to court. It'll be fun. Then they will have to prove not only infringement but also profit loss.
This is untrue.
Meh, fuckit... we'll just shelve N3 and forget about it. We have other games to make anyway.
Quote from: OldRover on 03/18/2012, 06:43 PMMeh, fuckit... we'll just shelve N3 and forget about it. We have other games to make anyway.
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Off topic still, but I think that a game in the vein of Neutopia would be just as cool as Neutopia. Of course, I have another action/RPG concept (well two but I haven't fleshed the second one out much yet) that would be great to work on....
Call it whatever you want, the graphics so far are nice, the concept and story are great, the game will be awesome.
On the topic of copywrite/patent infringement and how far a company will go to protect its money/assets.... one word, one company, look it up if you don't know: Monsanto (evil corporate bastards) Two different worlds but same possibility.
Quote from: TheClash603 on 03/18/2012, 06:32 PMWell, there are examples that go both ways. For example, Abobo's Big Adventure is still up, and this game steals every sprite on Earth.
http://abobosbigadventure.com/
If this game can stay alive (though, I suppose there is the "parody" aspect), then I figure anything can.
This is a free, non profit game.
Golvellius was never persued by Nintendo, and Compile certainly wasn't playing grab ass with them.
Make it as a new game with a new title. The second you release a Neutopia III, or imply that a game you're making is a sequel, you open the flood gates.
Technically the official name is Gorrilla's Eat Potato Chips, so, that's what it will say on the manual, tray insert, cd, & title screen, so...I'm not seeing the problem? :D
I'm kidding ofcoarse, but yeah, if we can strike a deal with Konami, cool. If we can't, then it'll be a different game.
I like the idea of releasing N3 under a different name. It would be like a rip off of a Zelda rip off :) .
Personally I wouldn't discuss any new project until the current one is in peoples mail boxes or on retail shelves. As it so happens though, if you were going to do something, maybe it would be about time to do something on the system no one else has done prior, or do a new spin on things, like a game similar to Sweet Home, but with Zelda/Dungeon Explorer play mechanics. This would surely be a project the hardware would be more then capable of handling, turbotap and all too, and you could take advantage of the cd-rom tech to do some decent gritty horror scenes, etc. You could in fact have it be a game that requires a minimum of 3 players, and one player cant attack, only heal the other members or unlock doors or chest, so the party has to be aggressive and also defensive of this one player.
No matter what you wind up calling Neutopia 3, I'm going to Photoshop an alternate cover with the Neutopia 3 logo. You can call it, "Jazetta Junior's Jumbo Journey" and I'm still going to call it Neutopia 3.
Jazetta Juniors Jankass Jollygag
Quote from: Keranu on 03/18/2012, 09:18 PMI like the idea of releasing N3 under a different name. It would be like a rip off of a Zelda rip off :) .
Except that Neutopia III isn't even a Neutopia rip off the way that Neutopia was a Zelda rip off. The title and a couple names are the only possible legal connection.
Neutopia is not a zelda rip off, then every fps would be a wolfenstein rip off.
Quote from: meka on 03/20/2012, 03:54 PMNeutopia is not a zelda rip off, then every fps would be a wolfenstein rip off.
You mean a Quake ripoff.
and, Neutopia is clearly a Zelda ripoff, except it doesn't suck like Zelda 1.
Quote from: guest on 03/20/2012, 03:55 PMQuote from: meka on 03/20/2012, 03:54 PMNeutopia is not a zelda rip off, then every fps would be a wolfenstein rip off.
You mean a Quake ripoff.
and, Neutopia is clearly a Zelda ripoff, except it doesn't suck like Zelda 1.
HEY!!! What say you.... Zelda 1 suck?? :shock: ](*,) :cry: I am soooo let down right now sir.....
The first Zelda is the only one I really like.
The first zelda is boring and blehhhh.
I much preferred Zelda II
Ocarina of Time FTW!
Quote from: guest on 03/20/2012, 10:49 PMI much preferred Zelda II
Indeed, especially when conpared to the rest of the series. This title REALLY sticks out as something special.
No I mean Wolfenstein 3D because it is generally credited with creating the genre proper and the basic archetype upon which subsequent titles were based and I agree that zelda was not the best game.
There are way too many parallels between LoZ and Neutopia to ignore the fact that Neutopia is at least heavily inspired by LoZ... everything from the gameplay mechanics to even the storyline are too similar to ignore. Rescue princess: check. Win 8 artifacts hidden in dungeons: check. Overhead stabby gameplay: check. Use bombs to blow holes in walls: check. Hell, even the details are usually identical. The main differences between Neutopia and LoZ are that LoZ has a cohesive overworld map but Neutopia is broken into zones (of course, this was changed in Neutopia II), and they have different starting heart values. A few items change function (namely the rings, which are armor in LoZ but become one-shot magic items in Neutopia), Neutopia adds a few items (ie. wings of return, charmed compass, book of revival, falcon shoes, etc) and loses some items (ie. raft), but some core items merely change appearance rather than function (ie. ladder/rainbow drop) and some startup values are identical (ie. 8 bomb starting maximum).
It's so much a ripoff that it hurts. You'd have to have some pretty serious cognitive dissonance to deny it.
Quote from: meka on 03/21/2012, 06:07 AMNo I mean Wolfenstein 3D because it is generally credited with creating the genre proper and the basic archetype upon which subsequent titles were based and I agree that zelda was not the best game.
but really, Doom is what created the genre proper, since it had lighting/depth.
and Quake finished creating it, with actual aiming, and 3D nonsense.
They're all from the same guy though, so fuck it! lol
I prefer Golvellious Valley of Doom to any zelda or neutopia game. It's similar with the overhead view, but it has side-scrolling and top-down view scrolling elements to it, if a part 2 would come out like they promised, I would pay silly money for it.
Quote from: meka on 03/21/2012, 09:02 AMI prefer Golvellious Valley of Doom to any zelda or neutopia game. It's similar with the overhead view, but it has side-scrolling and top-down view scrolling elements to it, if a part 2 would come out like they promised, I would pay silly money for it.
nevermind I misread that. Im dumb
Going back to the copyright stuff, I'll add my name to those saying Komani could totally sue the pants off Frozen Utopia over Neutopia 3. Is it likely? Maybe not, but it's one hell of a risk.
I'm no expert, but I've read a few books, registered a few copyrights, and I took a music business class, and as far as I can tell, you can claim Fair Use, or non-competition, or non-profit or point to your original code or anything you like, but the laws in this country come down to how good your lawyers are and you'll never be able to outspend a big corporation.
Corporations protect their assets. Period. Even semi-popular, abondonware video game franchises of questionable worth. No one worries about being a "laughing stock." Remember that media companies relentlessly sue the pants off of penniless, bit-torrent-pirating college students left and right, PR be damned. These days the corporations even go after the publishers, like wikileaks and megaupload and trying to pass laws to hold social networking sites accountable for whatever users post.
Random facts to consider...
* Negative Land was utterly ruined financially for years because they named an album "U2." They didn't rip off or parody any of U2's music or lyrics. They tried to justify the title with a prominent picture of the Russian "U2" spy plane on the cover, to no avail. They got fucking hosed.
* There was a punk band called Assembly of God. They released small runs of 7" records on no-name, underground labels. The guys in the band were smart, well-read, educated, and as anti-authority and anti-religious as they come, but when they got a C&D from the church, they didn't try their luck, they changed their name the next week.
* Enix didn't even try to call their games "Dragon Quest" in the Eighties because TSR had a tabletop game of the same name.
* Wizards of the Coast/Hasbro owns tons of old P&P RPG settings and absolutely nobody has even gotten away with publishing any references to them. Gary Gygax could never again write make write about his Greyhawk setting after being driven from the company. Designer James M Ward started a little company in later years and had to destroy stock for making a single reference to his old character Drawmij - his name spelled backward! Heck, fans used to get hosed for even posting material online.
Don't care anyway... I've already dropped the project.
Wizards fuckin ruined D&D so bad. They're idiots. They even messed up the games on the PC.
The other thing worth noting is that when you have a trademark/copyright, it's your duty to defend it. You're obligated to it.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 03/22/2012, 03:18 AMDon't care anyway... I've already dropped the project.
That was a joke...right?
Quote from: guest on 03/22/2012, 10:51 AMQuote from: OldRover on 03/22/2012, 03:18 AMDon't care anyway... I've already dropped the project.
That was a joke...right?
Its missing from the projects section of Frozen Utopia... so perhaps he's not.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 03/22/2012, 03:18 AMDon't care anyway... I've already dropped the project.
Well that's.... ghey.
I wouldn't drop it, Rove. Do what Sunteam suggested and slightly change the name to Newtopia or something similar.
All or nothing, and I won't be intimidated by corporate slimeballs. We can just make a game in the same genre, but have nothing to do with Neutopia at all. Of course, since we already have many other projects to do first, such a thing is shoved so far back in the queue now that there's no point in announcing any new plans.
First of all, let me say that I'm really on your side on this and want the game to be made. I'm a huge Neutopia fan, and the thought of playing a third game really gives me a nerd chubby.
However, I don't think it's a "corporate slimeball" thing if they were to say, "Hey Mr. Whoever-the-Hell-You-Are, we own that property and don't want you to make a new game using our copyrighted material as the source." In fact, I think it's perfectly reasonable; especially since they are still most likely making money off it via the Virtual Console and PlayStation Network (and probably the 3DS VC soon as well), so it's not like it's abandonware.
I'm just saying that I don't think they could be considered the bad guys if they were to issue a C&D. Party poopers, yes. Out of line, or "slimeballs", no.
Quote from: guest on 03/22/2012, 02:00 PMI'm just saying that I don't think they could be considered the bad guys if they were to issue a C&D. Party poopers, yes. Out of line, or "slimeballs", no.
They're just doing what they're obligated to do. You get copyright/trademarks, it's your job to protect whatever it is you registered.
Neutopia was a great and reasonable game. Zelda focused on Conan, type world, while Neutopia focused primarly on Rome/Greece. Their has been tons of Zelda type games, okay. I am just sick of Nintendo. They took everything good and flipped it up. The Zelda games are still great to play, I just do not like
Links hair,
his pants,
Ganon's figure.
The new forces of evils
The next Zelda game should have continued after the Island Dreamy vacation Zelda. Where links finds his lost love "Marina". Instead Nintendo decided to throw her and Zelda out the window and recycle the ending from Zelda:MM With a wedding. Also the whole dog thing is dumb, because of the bunny thing. They try and make Link image all bad arse.
So far I count
Zelda OOT
Zelda LTTP
Zelda 1
Zelda 2
Zelda DIV
Every other Zelda is rehashed mockery in the whole series. The Zelda WW for the GCN had great ideas, but they could have just continued from the GB ( DIV ) and recolored his pants cinnoman brown, and his hair orange with a little more color in his skin. Otherwise Zelda WW was a huge waste of time.
Back on topic now...
Nationwide is still bitching about track 2, because they still haven't gotten it through their heads that track 2 is DATA and not AUDIO. So we're still not even past the glass mastering phase yet. GRR.
Quote from: meka on 03/21/2012, 06:07 AMNo I mean Wolfenstein 3D because it is generally credited with creating the genre proper and the basic archetype upon which subsequent titles were based and I agree that zelda was not the best game.
If you really want to get technical about it, id Software's Catacomb 3D series (of which the Wolf 3D engine is based) created the genre a few years before Wolf3D. Like Arkhan said though, it was all done by the same company. Wolf just got lots more exposure since apparently people enjoy killing Nazis over killing orcs and goblins.
To get even more technical, Spasim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spasim) is argueably the earliest FPS, and had 32 player network support all the way back 1974! Xbox Live eat your heart out.
Wolf3D and Catacomb3D use almost the same engine, too. :)
too bad Carmack never got ahold of a PCE. I bet he'd have figured out awesome shit for it.
Quote from: guest on 03/24/2012, 01:08 AMWolf3D and Catacomb3D use almost the same engine, too. :)
Yeah, I think I read somewhere at some point that the engines are basically identical. Very little, if anything, was changed. Wolf3D just runs in 256 color mode, while Catacomb runs in 16.
Quote from: guest on 03/24/2012, 01:08 AMWolf3D and Catacomb3D use almost the same engine, too. :)
too bad Carmack never got ahold of a PCE. I bet he'd have figured out awesome shit for it.
Be careful what you wish for...
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Quote from: nat on 03/24/2012, 04:36 AMYeah, I think I read somewhere at some point that the engines are basically identical. Very little, if anything, was changed. Wolf3D just runs in 256 color mode, while Catacomb runs in 16.
Pretty much. Wolf3D just takes advantage of the wonders of VGA, and has some other shit Catacomb doesn't, since Carmack basically just improved everything.
Then he scrapped it all and wrote Doom's engine, and changed Earth as we know it, lol.
Except Wolf3D was meant to be so much more than it is now. Ducking, crawling, sneaking, dragging and hiding bodies... Its a pale comparison to what it's meant to be. Game is kickass regardless though.
Quote from: Mishran on 03/24/2012, 03:56 PMExcept Wolf3D was meant to be so much more than it is now. Ducking, crawling, sneaking, dragging and hiding bodies... Its a pale comparison to what it's meant to be. Game is kickass regardless though.
Thats because Carmack put all that crap into Wolf3D and Romero went "THIS IS LAME." because all that shit detracted from the action of the game.
TBH, if Wolf3D had all that stupid shit in it, the game would suck.
It only worked in Wolfenstein because that game was overhead and a bit less action, more stealth.
Production on MSR has resumed! No new expected time frame has been set, but it should finish within the next two weeks.
2 weeks?! But I want it NOWWWW! Wow, didn't think it'd get pushed back that much due to their stupidity :P
I enjoyed playing MSR and Jungle Bros. at the MGC this past weekend. I'll put an order in for a copy of MSR in the near future. :)
We ended up setting it up inside of the DHG Room for the second half of Saturday rather than setting it up outside in the Jagfest area. In essence, what happened is that we ran out of composite-input TV's which was a real shock. In the end, however, it probably worked out nicer to have it in the DHG Room rather than out in some random spot in the hallway. I know a lot of people passed by it in the DHG Room and played it, with one person even saying they ordered it right there on their phone once they saw it and read your flyer.
Let me know if you'd like to do something like this again in the future. With more time and someone from Frozen Utopia on hand, I think we could do even more with this at a future MGC.
Later.
Sounds like MGC was a success!
Quote from: DHG Hunter on 03/26/2012, 10:45 PMI enjoyed playing MSR and Jungle Bros. at the MGC this past weekend. I'll put an order in for a copy of MSR in the near future. :)
We ended up setting it up inside of the DHG Room for the second half of Saturday rather than setting it up outside in the Jagfest area. In essence, what happened is that we ran out of composite-input TV's which was a real shock. In the end, however, it probably worked out nicer to have it in the DHG Room rather than out in some random spot in the hallway. I know a lot of people passed by it in the DHG Room and played it, with one person even saying they ordered it right there on their phone once they saw it and read your flyer.
Let me know if you'd like to do something like this again in the future. With more time and someone from Frozen Utopia on hand, I think we could do even more with this at a future MGC.
Later.
That's awesome! It's a good thing we designed that flyer!
We'll definitely have to get something going again next year.
QuoteThat's awesome! It's a good thing we designed that flyer!
We'll definitely have to get something going again next year.
That would be awesome. MSR will probably be available in time for next year's MGC. :pcgs:
Just kidding!
The way things are looking... I dunno. Read the Facebook page for an update.
Quote from: OldRover on 03/28/2012, 09:18 PMThe way things are looking... I dunno. Read the Facebook page for an update.
Crap, you want me to actually create an account at Facebook? I guess this was inevitable...
I'm serious. :pcds:
Quote from: esteban on 03/28/2012, 11:01 PMCrap, you want me to actually create an account at Facebook? I guess this was inevitable...
I'm serious. :pcds:
Don't do it. This is what their FB account reads:
Quote"We've heard from the manufacturer again... the glass mastering facility's software is being a royal pain in the ass and won't produce the stamper. So we are no closer to having MSR in our hands now than we were before."
:(
http://www.facebook.com/FrozenUtopia
I mean damn....
I mean, what's the problem? Isn't this the same company that Arkhan used to press Insanity? What's the deal? They got someone new manning the controls?
They haven't been very specific, this is what the replicators have told our project manager:
"So we've gone forward to make the stamper based on this instruction, however we keep getting failure messages that will not allow the stamper to cut correctly.
In short, the errors on the master will not allow for replication.
So we'll need a new master with the error corrected."
They didn't say what the errors were, I'm assuming the data track "buzz." I don't know why MSR is running into these trivial problems when Insanity went through the same company just fine.
The truly stupid part is that there are no errors on the master. If I send them new masters, it will have the exact same data and the exact same issue.
Quote from: guest on 03/28/2012, 11:39 PMQuote from: esteban on 03/28/2012, 11:01 PMCrap, you want me to actually create an account at Facebook? I guess this was inevitable...
I'm serious. :pcds:
Don't do it. This is what their FB account reads:
Quote"We've heard from the manufacturer again... the glass mastering facility's software is being a royal pain in the ass and won't produce the stamper. So we are no closer to having MSR in our hands now than we were before."
:(
Ahhh, I sadly succumbed to the Great Beast and created a Facebook account. TurboStar's gallery of MGC 2012 photos is the first and only thing I have ever done on Facebook. Ha!
Anyway, to counteract some of the somber news about replicating the discs... here's one of JoshTurboTrollX-16's photos from MGC 2012:
(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/frozen_utopia_MGC_2012.jpg)
So close! yet so far away... :cry:
Quote from: Keranu on 03/29/2012, 04:22 AMThey haven't been very specific, this is what the replicators have told our project manager:
"So we've gone forward to make the stamper based on this instruction, however we keep getting failure messages that will not allow the stamper to cut correctly.
In short, the errors on the master will not allow for replication.
So we'll need a new master with the error corrected."
They didn't say what the errors were, I'm assuming the data track "buzz." I don't know why MSR is running into these trivial problems when Insanity went through the same company just fine.
I was partially joking about "someone new" taking on the MSR project at their plant, but I'm also partially serious. It really sounds like whoever is handling your disc down there doesn't know his/her ass from their elbow.
It's like calling tech support for anything. There's a 50% chance you'll get the guy who has been around for 15 years and knows his shit, and then there's a 50% chance you'll get some yokel in an out-sourced call center that reads down a script.
In my best east Indian accent-
"I'm sorry sir, would you just try rebooting the system?"
I've thought about switching pressing plants, we'll consider it if Nationwide Disc continues to not work out for us. I just hope we can get a refund if that's the case.
Might consider a local place here... all of the ones here on the island use Mirror Image for glass mastering, who I am pretty sure can do the job.
Unfortunately, due to multiple issues with having a new master made, we have decided to cancel the manufacture of the game and simply release it to the public. It was a difficult decision to make, but there have just been way too many issues and stumbling blocks involved.
The issue comes from the fact that modern standards do not co-exist with the format that the PC Engine used. While the hardware itself is perfectly happy with most any configuration, the mastering software needs it to be in MODE1/2352 format, and the closest we can get is MODE2/2353, which is incorrect.
So anyway... we've released it for free on our website. The download contains a decoder script for the compressed audio, as well as insert art so you can make a legitimate-looking CD case for yourself.
wayback.frozenutopia.com (https://web.archive.org/web/20121015081606if_/http://www.frozenutopia.com/)
Very cool! Thanks for sharing this game with the rest of the world.
Sorry to hear about the disc pressing issues. But MSR plays fine on a CD-R on my Turbo Duo at least, so I'm quite happy. :)
I'm only about 15 minutes in, but I've got to say it was definitely worth the wait! Kudos to everyone involved.
Quote from: OldRover on 04/01/2012, 03:49 PMUnfortunately, due to multiple issues with having a new master made, we have decided to cancel the manufacture of the game and simply release it to the public. It was a difficult decision to make, but there have just been way too many issues and stumbling blocks involved.
The issue comes from the fact that modern standards do not co-exist with the format that the PC Engine used. While the hardware itself is perfectly happy with most any configuration, the mastering software needs it to be in MODE1/2352 format, and the closest we can get is MODE2/2353, which is incorrect.
So anyway... we've released it for free on our website. The download contains a decoder script for the compressed audio, as well as insert art so you can make a legitimate-looking CD case for yourself.
wayback.frozenutopia.com (https://web.archive.org/web/20121015081606if_/http://www.frozenutopia.com/)
Wasn't this the same place Ark had Insanity pressed at? What was different that they got his pressed?
April Fool's?
.....
To be honest Rov, and I like a good a joke as much as anyone, esp on April fools, but this is a shitty joke to pull on your fan base you are trying to build up, let alone to fuck with people who paid you cash in advance already. This clearly is not a legit release of the game, as all the audio tracks I checked are garbage with laughing and shit, and chainsaws, etc, and anyone taking the time to burn it off will be irked to find they wasted time and a disc in doing so. There are better and far wiser ways to promote a project, and this is not one of them.
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 04/01/2012, 04:27 PMTo be honest Rov, and I like a good a joke as anyone, esp on April fools, but this is a shitty joke to pull on your fan base you are trying to build up, let alone to fuck with people who paid you cash in advance already. This clearly is not a legit release of the game, as all the audio tracks are garbage, and anyone taking the time to burn it off will be irked to find they wasted time and a disc in doing so. There are better and far wiser ways to promote a project, and this is not one of them.
maybe they hired NEC America as their marketing agency :wink: :lol:
Quote from: nectarsis on 04/01/2012, 04:29 PMQuote from: PCEngineHell on 04/01/2012, 04:27 PMTo be honest Rov, and I like a good a joke as anyone, esp on April fools, but this is a shitty joke to pull on your fan base you are trying to build up, let alone to fuck with people who paid you cash in advance already. This clearly is not a legit release of the game, as all the audio tracks are garbage, and anyone taking the time to burn it off will be irked to find they wasted time and a disc in doing so. There are better and far wiser ways to promote a project, and this is not one of them.
maybe they hired NEC America as their marketing agency :wink: :lol:
Yeah honestly I wish you'd never even gave me a link to this garbage. Such a fucking waste of my time checking the audio tracks out, let alone wasting Quoths time after I gave him a link to it.
Well, since some people have no sense of humor, I've taken it down. I hope you're happy. This was the first time I've ever even attempted an AFD joke, and I thought it came out pretty well. Oh well. Fuck you.
Wait... wait... Some people got concerned that your joke was in bad taste and were bothered by it and your response is "fuck you?" You gambled and lost. Sometimes it happens. For those who were bothered, you're just adding insult to injury.
My advice is that the best April Fools jokes are the good-natured ones, like what Google does, where it's obvious it's a joke right up front and is silly and humorous. This one felt a little more mean-spirited, even if it wasn't intended that way. If you prefer your AF jokes that way, you gotta expect some backlash. Especially given that many people have given you money.
Quote from: OldRover on 04/01/2012, 04:47 PMWell, since some people have no sense of humor, I've taken it down. I hope you're happy. This was the first time I've ever even attempted an AFD joke, and I thought it came out pretty well. Oh well. Fuck you.
I think what I sent to you in pm just now sums it up nicely:
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 04/01/2012, 04:52 PMThis is a example of how you do a April Fools joke the right way:
http://1000words.kodak.com/thousandwords/post/?ID=5558724772984513411&utm_source=www.kodak.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=AprilFools_040112&utm_campaign=Corp-Homepage
What you did was just fucked up. Maybe you guys sat around privately thinking it was going to be a laugh riot, but its not. With money being tight for some people right now, and all the other stressful bullshit going on in the world, people don't need this kind of crap going on, and not everyone is keen on the whole April Fools gag stuff. Sorry, just how it is. Making your potential fan base stress over money and shit from worrying about possible pre-order refund dilemmas, and treating them with a garbage release as a joke, its not fucking cool, no matter what day of the year it is. Its not just bad taste, its one of the worst things you can do to your customers right now. Especially the ones who do not post here who may not get the heads up that it was a dumb joke...
I took it down. It's over. OK? Sheesh. Sorry for the "fuck you", but I'm not exactly a prankster, nor a diplomat... just a coder who saw the humor in it.
I lol'd
I didn't know about this either and thought it was funny lol. Plus if you actually play it there's some good news in it.
Quote from: guest on 04/01/2012, 04:56 PMWait... wait... Some people got concerned that your joke was in bad taste and were bothered by it and your response is "fuck you?" You gambled and lost. Sometimes it happens. For those who were bothered, you're just adding insult to injury.
My advice is that the best April Fools jokes are the good-natured ones, like what Google does, where it's obvious it's a joke right up front and is silly and humorous. This one felt a little more mean-spirited, even if it wasn't intended that way. If you prefer your AF jokes that way, you gotta expect some backlash. Especially given that many people have given you money.
Pretty much
QuoteWasn't this the same place Ark had Insanity pressed at? What was different that they got his pressed?
The original issue the manufacturer had is not a joke.
It's the same reason commercial PCE games can't be factory pressed anymore and Animeforever has had to switch to cdrs. Insanity was formatted differently and the masters were made a special way. Hopefully if the MSR master is done similarly, the same place can reproduce it as well.
I didn't think it was that bad of a joke...
Next year I may try to one-up Rover by molesting everyone's children/mothers, so that way at least you will be forgiven. Lighten up folks!
DEAR LORD PEOPLE!
Even if you didn't see how gloriously hilarious :pcds: this was (my dearest sympathies for your fragile soul), you knew it was April 1. :pcds:
I love Helgeson (sp? it's been a long time), but he totally over-reacted. We have bigger things in life to worry about than the status of MSR.
As a fellow member has said, "Lighten the f(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/hany_in_the_sky.png)ck up!" :pcds:
I didn't see it but it must have been fun.
BTW TOR, we're having a retrogaming convention in France with a big PCE stand. Do you think it you could send us a copy of MSR so that we can make a presentation of it?
Quote from: shubibiman on 04/02/2012, 05:28 AMI didn't see it but it must have been fun.
I left the file on the server; if you want it, send me a PM. I just removed all references to it.
It was more fun to make than anything, I think... I went to great lengths to mask the fact that it was a fake:
-I had revealed the size of the original ISO earlier on this forum; I made sure to pad the fake ISO with enough dummy data to be the same exact size.
-Almost all of the audio tracks play fine for awhile, but then are modified... I added sound effects to most of them. Only the warning track, title tracks, and the bonus tracks were left intact. This was done to preserve the OST, and since most people previewing the tracks are only gonna listen to a few seconds, I made sure to put all the funny noises long past the typical person's attention span. track17 is my personal favorite. :) And of course, each of the audio tracks, despite being modified, are still the exact same size as the originals.
-In order to conceal the extra audio, I made it as streaming ADPCM instead of a redbook track. Since you cannot see ADPCM streams in the files, no one would have known it was there.
-The bootstrap/cd error program and the title program work the same way they would normally... it will even utilize the backup RAM files, if present. But when you go to start a new game (or, optionally, load a game or use one of the bonus features), you get...
-Rickrolled. :) This one's different than most, as I did not have time to do a complete video player. So instead, I just took a number of frames from the music video, grayscaled/reduced them, and have them play in a loop in the middle of the screen. And of course, the audio plays as streaming ADPCM rather than redbook, so suspicion would not be raised just by looking at the files. :)
The song is actually kinda symbolic, really... the song, "Never Gonna Give You Up", also applies to this project... we're never gonna give up until we have MSR pressed and in the hands of the customers.
Quote from: shubibiman on 04/02/2012, 05:28 AMBTW TOR, we're having a retrogaming convention in France with a big PCE stand. Do you think it you could send us a copy of MSR so that we can make a presentation of it?
When is it going to be? I'm out of CDRs at the moment but should be getting some more soon.
On a more serious note... I mentioned this on the Facebook page, but again for those who ain't watching the Facebook page...
I was able to rip MSR's raw data as a MODE1/2352 binary file. According to TheOldMan, this is the correct format for pressing. CDRWIN is able to rip the data, but first it had to be mounted to a virtual drive. Daemon Tools was not cooperating with CDRWIN, so I installed Alcohol 120% instead, and it did the job beautifully. So from here, I guess it's just a matter of getting discs that work, and a burner that is compatible with CDRWIN, as none of ours currently are.
QuoteInsanity was formatted differently and the masters were made a special way
Whatchu talking about?
WachaTalkinAbout.webp
I'd say this was quite a successful april fools joke!
Quote from: guest on 04/01/2012, 04:56 PMWait... wait... Some people got concerned that your joke was in bad taste and were bothered by it and your response is "fuck you?" You gambled and lost. Sometimes it happens. For those who were bothered, you're just adding insult to injury.
I think given the nature of the whiny ass 'look at how much time I wasted!!' complaint and the fact that all he deserves is a 'fuck you' is perfect grounds for the response. Had anyone else called rove out on this I bet he would have reacted more polite.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 04/02/2012, 06:23 AMI was able to rip MSR's raw data as a MODE1/2352 binary file. According to TheOldMan, this is the correct format for pressing. CDRWIN is able to rip the data, but first it had to be mounted to a virtual drive. Daemon Tools was not cooperating with CDRWIN, so I installed Alcohol 120% instead, and it did the job beautifully. So from here, I guess it's just a matter of getting discs that work, and a burner that is compatible with CDRWIN, as none of ours currently are.
Oh good. You got it to work. lol, that means I won't have to do it for you again (with the real build instead of a beta ISO).
Though, you'd be wise to get CDRWin to function properly and use that to do the ripping in order to remove all further doubt about the pressing issues. If you can't get it to work (CDRWin is kind of a dick), I can do it for you. I've got CDRwin operating on a few machines. Sometimes the entire trick is to use a different version of CDRWin (like 3.0D9erAlpha instead of 3.0D9erBeta). Other times the trick is to reboot your computer, or to use different ASPI drivers. Or, buy an old ass computer and set that shit up. There were times my laptop that Insanity was built on wouldn't work, and then 20 minutes later it would decide it wanted to work. Couldn't tell you why. I blame modern operating systems, goony drivers, and CDRWin's age.
AFAIK, when I told Keranu how to do it w/ CDRwin, he didn't seem to have any trouble, so you could probably use him too. I'm convinced two identical machines will have different success with CDRwin. It's that goony.
Look for the frog ASPI drivers. Those sometimes have better results, and can be used w/ CDRwin.
Insanity was not really done in any overly special way. More like, it was done the right way. Blame the devkit. You can't just use the ISO it creates. You have to use real CD creating tools to set the disc layout up properly for machines to stamp. CDRwin is the best tool for the job. You don't even need to pay for it! Best results come at 1x, and demonstration mode operates at 1x only. Pretty nice perk, lol.
However, had I known for sure MSR wasn't being prepared in the way OldMan finally mentioned, and that you were manually relocating the data yourself, I would have said something. Manually relocating the data track is one way to get errors.
Though, I did mention all of these details a few times on IRC when Insanity was pressed and the entire channel was erect in the pants about new pressed CDs and wanted to know how it happened. This included all of the details and comical stories about CDRwin, and 1x SCSI CD burners. I probably shouldn't have assumed everyone remembered that crap. When I kept saying "Insanity didn't do anything special", I assumed it was already understood that you had to do the MODE1/2352 setup, hence me being confused as to why your stuff wasn't working. I had some suspicions, but didn't say anything since you seemed sure it was being done right.
Maybe it's time this information gets posted so people can refer to it so this doesn't happen again.
EDIT: OH, and make sure you fuckin' close out the disc session. Omitting that step is problems.
Anyway, the April Fools Joke wasn't TOO bad, but it was a bit in bad taste considering all of the problems MSR has had. Kind of like adding salt to a knife wound.
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 04/02/2012, 06:58 AMI'd say this was quite a successful april fools joke!
Quote from: guest on 04/01/2012, 04:56 PMWait... wait... Some people got concerned that your joke was in bad taste and were bothered by it and your response is "fuck you?" You gambled and lost. Sometimes it happens. For those who were bothered, you're just adding insult to injury.
I think given the nature of the whiny ass 'look at how much time I wasted!!' complaint and the fact that all he deserves is a 'fuck you' is perfect grounds for the response. Had anyone else called rove out on this I bet he would have reacted more polite.
The joke was dumb. I just stated the obvious, and I am not going to dedicate hundreds of post about it. I knew it was a april fools joke when Byron showed it to me on yahoo. Why do you think I only checked the audio tracks? You think I'd actually been stupid enough to waste a actual cd-r on some shareware I already played and didn't care for years ago on pc? The fact that I wasted time checking the audio tracks is 5 mins or so I will never get back, sure Shags, oh well, whatever. My curiosity on seeing what Rov was up to got the better of me. I was hoping there would be some kind of legitimate laughs to be had at least to justify all the BS.
You of all people should know I have a excellent sense of humor, considering the jokes I've played on you Shags. What was real tragedy was that the audio tracks were not even remotely funny. It was like Dave was at the helm. This was pretty much the kind of dumb no laughs prank Nintega would do if he could. Anyone saying this garbage was funny is just trying to make Rov feel better about it. The fact of the matter is this could have been passed off as a Nintega prank.
There is a reason why legitimate game makers don't pull this kind of crap. At any rate, whats really funny is the fact that I shat on Rovs bad joke, and on April fools of all days, you guys think I really give a shit one way or the next, so who is the real fool here? I only shat on his joke for the sole act of doing so, because it deserved it. If the announcement was real, posted now, or later, I'd not have said a word. I don't care if Rov rips off off whoever (ponzi scheme pre-order anyone? Oh wait, they call it kickstarter programs now....), or if you guys get this game out or not. Its other peoples problem. If I really cared I'd have posted about this elsewhere, like on Digital Press. BUT.I.FUCKING.DON'T. Byrons the one that messaged me about this. You wanna bitch, bitch to him.
You guys are just retreading someone elses prior work, and I mean, its taken you years to do that even, while a couple of guys at NG:Dev.Team crank out awesome titles at a steady pace on multiple formats, let alone all the other indie developers out there cranking out awesome stuff on other systems. My advice, next time you get a bug up your butt to do a Nintega quality april fools joke, instead spend that extra effort on improving the actual game, let alone getting it into peoples mail boxes. That, or at least do something that is actually funny (see Duty Calls), and doesn't require loyal friends to spin it in a positive light. Till then, I will check back later, say in a couple more months, see if you guys ever start work on a original title of your own after you finally finish and press this remake...
As Sini pointed out, if you wanna talk about real jokes, the best one in fact:
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54 pages of post and 7 and a half months later.....
Being that this "MSR is finished!" thread is eight months old already- it's pretty much one big April Fool's gag from the start. To heap a joke on top of a joke when you have people waiting like Pavlov's Dog- people that have pre-ordered- to fuck with their patience even more- it's really in bad taste. Agree with Mike here that the energy being wasted on jokes- and honestly even updates at this point- should be used in putting the money you've received for preorders where your mouth is. Finish the fucking thing- it's past old. I can't believe there was even a real recent discussion about a Neutopia III- as if that's ever gonna happen with or without a possible lawsuit. Reality check time.
Yeah I agree. And to be honest, I think if Ark had the same budget Rov got off the pre-order money, and a little extra manpower like Rov had, and the same amount of time, Ark could have done 2-3 solid releases by now, arcade remakes or not. Its clear here who is the more capable PCE indie developer currently. Just sad he has to carry all the weight on his shoulders while the other clown spends time building up for his "Big Fuck You" April Fools joke.
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 04/02/2012, 09:51 AMYeah I agree. And to be honest, I think if Ark had the same budget Rov got off the pre-order money, and a little extra manpower like Rov had, and the same amount of time, Ark could have done 2-3 solid releases by now, arcade remakes or not. Its clear here who is the more capable PCE indie developer currently. Just sad he has to carry all the weight on his shoulders while the other clown spends time building up for his "Big Fuck You" April Fools joke.
Well, Aetherbyte is two-programmers-strong,
and we picked up sunteam_paul for art now (see: Atlantean).... so no more of me making the art. Insanity looks like shit. :)
I wish PP and Atlantean were out by now, but between our HuCard (thanks to OldMan) project and my school-crap, I haven't gotten to do much since like, October. I expect stuff to be out this year though. Unless I hit some huge-ass-snag on Atlantean, I should be able to wack it out in routine fashion.
Aetherbyte happenings are for a different thread though, probably.
EDIT: and I guess, to be fair here, an RPG is a
bit of an over-ambitious single-man programming job, as demonstrated with MSR. Every possible problem that could have happened, did happen by now. This includes technical problems and real life problems.
It sucks pretty bad. It's unfortunate. We're going to make sure we help Frozen Utopia get the project done.
and, don't forget, Aetherbyte's fortunate enough to have OldMan around. I roped his ass in despite him at one point saying, cigarette in mouth:
"nuh uh, fuck no! I had my fill of messing with that years ago. All that 9 bit crap", (something like that).
That's a funny image to look back on, since it was me staring at him through a bonfire at like, 11pm during the summer, shortly after pulling out a bunch of C64 books and hardware that I got from someone online. We just got done laughing at how funny the cover of the one book was.
(https://web.archive.org/web/20190511074525im_/http://www.everythingcommodore.com/e107_images/newspost_images/machine_language_for_the_commodore_64.jpg)
He's old (obviously), and full of a lot of technical details and practices that have been lost with time. He's also been around with the Turbo stuff since I was like 1. I have learned more from him than I did at college. My degree should say "OldMan University" instead of "Cleveland State University", in all honesty.
He's the one with the 1x SCSI burner, and the dinosaur computer that requires percussive maintenance that we used to belt out the masters at 1x speed while watching Herculoids and shit... lol
My God...the drama.
Indie games: serious bizness!
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 04/01/2012, 04:56 PMI think what I sent to you in pm just now sums it up nicely:
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 04/01/2012, 04:52 PMThis is a example of how you do a April Fools joke the right way:
http://1000words.kodak.com/thousandwords/post/?ID=5558724772984513411&utm_source=www.kodak.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=AprilFools_040112&utm_campaign=Corp-Homepage
What you did was just fucked up. Maybe you guys sat around privately thinking it was going to be a laugh riot, but its not. With money being tight for some people right now, and all the other stressful bullshit going on in the world, people don't need this kind of crap going on, and not everyone is keen on the whole April Fools gag stuff. Sorry, just how it is. Making your potential fan base stress over money and shit from worrying about possible pre-order refund dilemmas, and treating them with a garbage release as a joke, its not fucking cool, no matter what day of the year it is. Its not just bad taste, its one of the worst things you can do to your customers right now. Especially the ones who do not post here who may not get the heads up that it was a dumb joke...
What's the point of a pm, if ur jus gonna post it public? :-k
Blah, let's just all get along and enjoy life. No drama.
Being timidly polite through a long string of nonsense isn't "all getting along"- it's just being timidly polite. Speaking your mind isn't "causing drama"- it's just speaking your mind. You suckling noobs and frail older cats here really gotta start manning up. The vaginas here trying to pass themselves off as actual people have turned into a punchless punch-line ran long and dying. No one's abusing anyone's mom- no one's threatening anyone. There is no "drama".
Quote from: Gogan on 04/02/2012, 01:12 PMQuote from: PCEngineHell on 04/01/2012, 04:56 PMI think what I sent to you in pm just now sums it up nicely:
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 04/01/2012, 04:52 PMThis is a example of how you do a April Fools joke the right way:
http://1000words.kodak.com/thousandwords/post/?ID=5558724772984513411&utm_source=www.kodak.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_content=AprilFools_040112&utm_campaign=Corp-Homepage
What you did was just fucked up. Maybe you guys sat around privately thinking it was going to be a laugh riot, but its not. With money being tight for some people right now, and all the other stressful bullshit going on in the world, people don't need this kind of crap going on, and not everyone is keen on the whole April Fools gag stuff. Sorry, just how it is. Making your potential fan base stress over money and shit from worrying about possible pre-order refund dilemmas, and treating them with a garbage release as a joke, its not fucking cool, no matter what day of the year it is. Its not just bad taste, its one of the worst things you can do to your customers right now. Especially the ones who do not post here who may not get the heads up that it was a dumb joke...
What's the point of a pm, if ur jus gonna post it public? :-k
Rov wanted to move the conversation public with his big fuck you post, so, hey, why not. Does it matter really in the scheme of things? No, not really. This entire thread is one big 55 page flat joke. The longest running gag here so far besides Nintega himself.
Wahhhhh! You're not shipping the game quick enough! Gimme my zwieback!
P.S. - Byron made me do it.
Ah, ok, under those circumstances, I get it. Carry on :-"
Quote from: guest on 04/02/2012, 01:49 PMWahhhhh! You're not shipping the game quick enough! Gimme my zwieback!
P.S. - Byron made me do it.
1. I didn't pre-order it, no skin off my back if its not shipped yet. Just a nice point to rub in on this joke fail.
2. Stop stealing others lines. Come up with your own shit.
3. Does Byron actually ever make anyone do anything? Magic 8 Ball says............. no.
I see you're pretty worked up about this. Please, tell us more.
Quote from: Sinistron on 04/02/2012, 01:42 PMBeing timidly polite through a long string of nonsense isn't "all getting along"- it's just being timidly polite. Speaking your mind isn't "causing drama"- it's just speaking your mind. You suckling noobs and frail older cats here really gotta start manning up. The vaginas here trying to pass themselves off as actual people have turned into a punchless punch-line ran long and dying. No one's abusing anyone's mom- no one's threatening anyone. There is no "drama".
Go fuck yourself. I don't need a forum troll giving me the definition of drama.
PCEngineHell is bitching, complaining, and brown-nosing like mad and he didn't even
pre-order the game. He has absolutely no stake in this yet is carrying on like he was greatly wronged and needs to tell everyone just how terribly he was shamed and screwed by an April Fool's joke, of all things. That's drama. He's being a dick.
Wow Charlie.
+1
Charles swore!
hell_freezes_over.webp
Satan is pissed!
Quote from: guest on 04/02/2012, 02:13 PMI see you're pretty excited about this. Please, tell us more.
Ok sure. I was hoping someone would ask. NG:Dev.Team has some really great titles available. And have you checked out their newest one, Gunlord? http://youtu.be/1b1h41hVg_8
http://www.gun-lord.com/
"GunLord is a Eurostyle Platformer with emphasis on exploring huge worlds and blasting off enemies. This game features 9 stages of exciting 2D game play with over 45 unique enemy types. Blast yourself through giant landscapes, explore caverns and reveal all secrets!!
Release: NEO·GEO™ MVS December 2011, Dreamcast™ 2012, NEO·GEO™ AES 2012"
Pretty awesome I know, right? Hell yeah. And also, have you seen Fast Striker?
http://www.faststriker.com/
http://youtu.be/v9KwJTikctQ
"FAST STRIKER 1.5 is a 2D arcade shooting game with emphasis on scoring. You can choose between 4 game modes with different scoring systems. This game features six stages of excellent 2D arcade game play with over 40 unique enemy types, super smooth 3D scrolling backgrounds, huge CGI bosses and it features the biggest Megabit count ever since the beginning of NEO·GEO™ games."
Some seriously cool stuff going on for DC and NeoGeo. But heck, that's not all. Have you seen Wing Commander Saga, or Satazius for Pc? Hell, Hawken even? Man, these are truly great times we live in as far as gaming is concerned.
Faststriker was a good lookin' one. I should get it. Unfortunately that shit is pricey.
GunLord, I didn't like the premise of, since it's Turricanesque. I fuckin' hate that game. It does look prettier than Turrican at least. Eventually I am sure I will play it and see if it's a better game than Turrican. It isn't hard to be better than Turrican. It should be fine.
and, yeah, Hawken. Get some. It will be 100x better than that stupid Steel Battalion shit for Xbox kinect.
Quote from: Charles MacDonald on 04/02/2012, 02:24 PMQuote from: SinistronBeing timidly polite through a long string of nonsense isn't "all getting along"- it's just being timidly polite. Speaking your mind isn't "causing drama"- it's just speaking your mind. You suckling noobs and frail older cats here really gotta start manning up. The vaginas here trying to pass themselves off as actual people have turned into a punchless punch-line ran long and dying. No one's abusing anyone's mom- no one's threatening anyone. There is no "drama".
Go fuck yourself. I don't need a forum troll giving me the definition of drama.
PCEngineHell is bitching, complaining, and brown-nosing like mad and he didn't even pre-order the game. He has absolutely no stake in this yet is carrying on like he was greatly wronged and needs to tell everyone just how terribly he was shamed and screwed by an April Fool's joke, of all things. That's drama. He's being a dick.
I see nowhere him saying he himself was shamed and screwed. Try again buddy. Seems on this end that the drama's coming from your end. Our points were quite finished- and here you are hitching up your skirt waiting for the attention dildo to come plunging your way. Well now it's jamming in you- and how does it feel? Is this your show now?
No, it's my show now, and I'm calling the curtain on it.
UPDATE
The new masters should have arrived at Nationwide Disc yesterday. I informed our project manager on this and received a response:
"Thank you for the update. I will inform receiving of the new master arriving today. Once I have the new master in hand I will then place it back in for testing. This could take up to 2 full days. After the new master passes testing then I will send you a revised completion schedule."
Cross your fingers that the new masters pass inspection!
Quote from: Keranu on 05/04/2012, 10:12 PMUPDATE
The new masters should have arrived at Nationwide Disc yesterday. I informed our project manager on this and received a response:
"Thank you for the update. I will inform receiving of the new master arriving today. Once I have the new master in hand I will then place it back in for testing. This could take up to 2 full days. After the new master passes testing then I will send you a revised completion schedule."
Cross your fingers that the new masters pass inspection!
Great news!
Glad to see the thread back in business after The Derailment of the Century (insert echo effect here). :)
I 'preordered' this within the last couple of weeks. strange that even the initial first batch still hasn't shipped. Oh well, no rush. Are there any youtube videos for this game (Turbo version) and if not, there certainly should be. Drum up interest!
Quote from: PikachuWarrior on 05/04/2012, 10:30 PMI 'preordered' this within the last couple of weeks. strange that even the initial first batch still hasn't shipped. Oh well, no rush. Are there any youtube videos for this game (Turbo version) and if not, there certainly should be. Drum up interest!
You pre-ordered within two weeks? :P Not sure when the first pre-orders happened... but it was probably a few years ago. :D
Quote from: PikachuWarrior on 05/04/2012, 10:30 PMI 'preordered' this within the last couple of weeks. strange that even the initial first batch still hasn't shipped. Oh well, no rush. Are there any youtube videos for this game (Turbo version) and if not, there certainly should be. Drum up interest!
We first opened pre-orders in late 2009 and closed them after awhile since development had been delayed... I think we reopened pre-orders in recent months after development had finished.
Mysterious Song Gameplay Video #1 (https://youtu.be/pMhxsL4Hv-c) . There's some other Mysterious Song related material on the YouTube channel as well. http://youtu.be/pMhxsL4Hv-c
Thanks for the update
I nominate Mysterious Song for the next "Lets Play" game :D
If someone were to pre-order now, would they still get the pre-order bonus, or have all of those been claimed already?
From what I told when I ordered last week, all of them have been long gone (preorder bonuses) and there were only 70-some slots. The guy did say they would include something extra with current orders.
So if you order now, it'll just be the game and something else--whatever it may be.
Quote from: guest on 05/05/2012, 11:14 AMIf someone were to pre-order now, would they still get the pre-order bonus, or have all of those been claimed already?
Sorry pre-order bonuses have been filled, it was for the first 100 orders only. There is a small, humorous little piece that will be included with all orders too.
I believe I am more excited about this than I was about getting my Duo itself. lol
Quote from: Bernie on 05/05/2012, 04:15 PMI believe I am more excited about this than I was about getting my Duo itself. lol
Hanahhahajaj. Indeed. :pcgs:
What was the preorder bonus anyway?
We had kept the bonus material underwraps, but I guess since things *hopefully* wrapping up around here, I'll spill the beans:
First 100 orders will receive a double disc package that includes a "making of" DVD and the original soundtrack of Mysterious Song, including original, unedited composition tracks. We're hoping we can design the soundtrack to be CD+G compatible, so you can pop the disc into your TGCD and watch original artwork scroll by as the music plays.
If anyone here has experience in making CD-Gs, we would appreciate your help!!!
Any word on if I made it in the first 100 orders??? [-o<
Quote from: Mathius on 05/05/2012, 07:24 PMAny word on if I made it in the first 100 orders??? [-o<
PM your full name and I can check!
I earned my copy by getting second place in the Warning Track contest. Will I get the bonus disc? I really want that Making Of video and the soundtrack! [-o<
Quote from: Arjak on 05/05/2012, 09:30 PMI earned my copy by getting second place in the Warning Track contest. Will I get the bonus disc? I really want that Making Of video and the soundtrack! [-o<
PM me your full name so I can see where you are on the order log. If you're not in the first 100 (chances are you probably are), I'll make a note to see if we have a spare bonus we can send you.
Quote from: Keranu on 05/05/2012, 11:00 PMPM me your full name so I can see where you are on the order log. If you're not in the first 100 (chances are you probably are), I'll make a note to see if we have a spare bonus we can send you.
PM sent!
Quote from: PikachuWarrior on 05/04/2012, 10:30 PMI 'preordered' this within the last couple of weeks. strange that even the initial first batch still hasn't shipped.
There is no initial first batch... there's one batch and that's it. And it can't be made until the mastering place gets a perfect master. We're still waiting to know if the ones they just got are acceptable. As usual, we're waiting... waiting... waiting. Never again. I'm not dealing with this nonsense again. It's always
something.
Quote from: OldRover on 05/06/2012, 06:43 AMQuote from: PikachuWarrior on 05/04/2012, 10:30 PMI 'preordered' this within the last couple of weeks. strange that even the initial first batch still hasn't shipped.
There is no initial first batch... there's one batch and that's it. And it can't be made until the mastering place gets a perfect master. We're still waiting to know if the ones they just got are acceptable. As usual, we're waiting... waiting... waiting. Never again. I'm not dealing with this nonsense again. It's always something.
You just made me a very sad Bernie Wernie.... :( Remember the
other projects you shared with me...... Must I go to my grave always wondering about what could and should have been? :-k
Seriously though.. I'd be having a fuck it attitude as well after going through the shit yall have been through with this game. BUT..... no give up now..... :mrgreen:
No... what I mean is no more preorder cycles, and no more PR. Not doing this dance ever again. First, we were waiting for artwork (well worth the wait in the end though), then we were waiting for translations, and now we're waiting for the mastering house. And all the while, we've got people saying "where is it?", which is perfectly understandable, but quite exasperating when you're doing this for fun and not for commercial reasons. It really takes the fun out of the art when you have to not only explain things to people repeatedly but also deal with jackass trolls who have nothing better to do than stir up trouble, mock your work, and/or make up presumptuous bullshit.
There are some people who appreciate all the hard work that goes into making a game, and to those people, I say "thank you". The trolls, however, can go get fucked with broomsticks.
I just want to pipe in and have myself counted among those who appreciate the hard work and am happy to have a new game for the Turbo.
I know it has been the equivalent of a long road trip and people asking "are we there yet" every ten minutes. After waiting on Pier Solar forever, I know eventually this will be released and I will have a copy.
Quote from: guest on 05/06/2012, 06:00 PMI just want to pipe in and have myself counted among those who appreciate the hard work and am happy to have a new game for the Turbo.
+1
Quote from: OldRover on 05/06/2012, 04:10 PMNo... what I mean is no more preorder cycles, and no more PR. Not doing this dance ever again. First, we were waiting for artwork (well worth the wait in the end though), then we were waiting for translations, and now we're waiting for the mastering house. And all the while, we've got people saying "where is it?", which is perfectly understandable, but quite exasperating when you're doing this for fun and not for commercial reasons. It really takes the fun out of the art when you have to not only explain things to people repeatedly but also deal with jackass trolls who have nothing better to do than stir up trouble, mock your work, and/or make up presumptuous bullshit.
There are some people who appreciate all the hard work that goes into making a game, and to those people, I say "thank you". The trolls, however, can go get fucked with broomsticks.
Hence the new avatar.
Quote from: Keranu on 05/05/2012, 11:00 PMQuote from: Arjak on 05/05/2012, 09:30 PMI earned my copy by getting second place in the Warning Track contest. Will I get the bonus disc? I really want that Making Of video and the soundtrack! [-o<
PM me your full name so I can see where you are on the order log. If you're not in the first 100 (chances are you probably are), I'll make a note to see if we have a spare bonus we can send you.
PM sent.
Quote from: hoobs88 on 05/06/2012, 07:58 PMQuote from: OldRover on 05/06/2012, 04:10 PMNo... what I mean is no more preorder cycles, and no more PR. Not doing this dance ever again. First, we were waiting for artwork (well worth the wait in the end though), then we were waiting for translations, and now we're waiting for the mastering house. And all the while, we've got people saying "where is it?", which is perfectly understandable, but quite exasperating when you're doing this for fun and not for commercial reasons. It really takes the fun out of the art when you have to not only explain things to people repeatedly but also deal with jackass trolls who have nothing better to do than stir up trouble, mock your work, and/or make up presumptuous bullshit.
There are some people who appreciate all the hard work that goes into making a game, and to those people, I say "thank you". The trolls, however, can go get fucked with broomsticks.
Hence the new avatar.
Oh, I liked the dancing Karateka guy!
From what I saw at the MGC, it looked like MSR was well worth the wait. I'm glad all of you stuck with it. =)
I'm peaking in from time to time to see what the status is. I'll probably put a pre-order in a week from now... New credit month and all. ;)
Later.
Quote from: DHG Hunter on 05/07/2012, 11:57 PMFrom what I saw at the MGC, it looked like MSR was well worth the wait. I'm glad all of you stuck with it. =)
I'm peaking in from time to time to see what the status is. I'll probably put a pre-order in a week from now... New credit month and all. ;)
Later.
Good plan, hopefully we'll now if the masters are good to go by then.
Quote from: Mathius on 05/06/2012, 07:18 PMQuote from: guest on 05/06/2012, 06:00 PMI just want to pipe in and have myself counted among those who appreciate the hard work and am happy to have a new game for the Turbo.
+1
No kidding. I'm probably never going to buy it or anything, but I really do not understand people who bitch about homebrew. If you want something better or faster, make it yourself, asshole.
And comparing this project to something from NG: Dev Team is pretty ridiculous, IMO. Those guys are selling games to rich-ass Neo Geo jerks for 600 fucking dollars a pop. Its hardly a homebrew when you have something like a million dollars of guaranteed revenue from a game once all versions are released.
They said "up to 2 days" and I guess they're really holding to that... we still haven't heard squat.
I hope everything turns well this time. Have you changed something to the new master you sent to the factory or is it the exact same ISO?
Interesting that the production process has been delayed due to technical aspects of PC-Engine software. I hope that measures are taken to have reliable machines on hand for producing the masters needed for the pressing of future CD games.
Glad to hear it's almost done. Hopefully future efforts will go much more smoothly!
Quote from: shubibiman on 05/08/2012, 07:51 AMHave you changed something to the new master you sent to the factory or is it the exact same ISO?
I did have to make one minor change, which was to swap some of the audio tracks at the end of the disc. It required some number swapping in the very last subprogram.
Quote from: rag-time4 on 05/08/2012, 08:36 AMInteresting that the production process has been delayed due to technical aspects of PC-Engine software. I hope that measures are taken to have reliable machines on hand for producing the masters needed for the pressing of future CD games.
Glad to hear it's almost done. Hopefully future efforts will go much more smoothly!
There is not much of a specific machine needed. It's just a matter of carefully making sure your CD software doesn't do anything you didn't ask it to.
once you have one disc done the right way, you could use just about any program to burn copies of it.
I was under the impression that the Neo Geo versions of the NG:Dev Team games are made mostly as a trial run for the Dreamcast version and are produced in extremely small quantities. There's no way they could make a million dollars off of them.
Quote from: arromdee on 05/08/2012, 04:33 PMI was under the impression that the Neo Geo versions of the NG:Dev Team games are made mostly as a trial run for the Dreamcast version and are produced in extremely small quantities. There's no way they could make a million dollars off of them.
I think he meant a billion dollars.
THEY STILL CAN'T PRESS THE FUCKING DISCS! Yes, at this point, we really are dealing with monumentally stupid people. After what Arkhan told me, I came under the impression that the problem was me, but now, it's obvious that the problem is them.
OMG.. You have got to be kidding....
I wish I was. This is beyond fucking stupid.
"Good morning Keelan,
Replication has informed me that all 5 masters will not play! They have tried to play them in cd players and in ITunes with no success. Could you please ask your associate if they were tested before shipping them to us? We will need new masters as soon as you can...
Please see below.
All 5 masters failed QA.
Something is odd. Won't play in CD player or in iTunes.
Will need correct master
Thanks!
Sincerely,
Brian"
*facepalm*
That's it! I'm punching a cow on the way home tonight.
OMG! They still think there's a problem with track 2. When will they understand that it's a data track?
Quote from: The Old Rover on 05/08/2012, 05:47 PMI wish I was. This is beyond fucking stupid.
"Good morning Keelan,
Replication has informed me that all 5 masters will not play! They have tried to play them in cd players and in ITunes with no success. Could you please ask your associate if they were tested before shipping them to us? We will need new masters as soon as you can...
Please see below.
All 5 masters failed QA.
Something is odd. Won't play in CD player or in iTunes.
Will need correct master
Thanks!
Sincerely,
Brian"
Yikes!
How thorough have you been in explaining your needs to them? They don't seem to have any clue that you're trying to do something out of the ordinary.
This part is in Keranu's hands, since he's the one dealing with them. I wish I had their phone number so I could call them up and tell them straight-up wtf is up.
I can't believe that they managed to produce Insanity if this is their testing process.
So whoever is making the discs from the masters thought that they were audio CDs? O_o
TGCD's should play in CD players. If track #2 were the only problem, it seems like they would have mentioned it.
A modern standalone CD player will simply skip over track 2 and resume playing at track 3 once track 1 is done playing. On a stock Windows system, track 1 may play, but the rest will be ignored because Windows is stupid like that. Early emulation authors ran into that problem when attempting to emulate the CDROM system... it required raw sector reads to get it to work properly, or different drivers.
Quote from: PikachuWarrior on 05/08/2012, 06:13 PMSo whoever is making the discs from the masters thought that they were audio CDs? O_o
This seems to be the case. I don't know how many times we've told them that this is a mixed mode CD that uses an unorthodox layout.
hope everything works out in the end. My order is here to stay! Looking forward to the end product.
Quote from: arromdee on 05/08/2012, 04:33 PMI was under the impression that the Neo Geo versions of the NG:Dev Team games are made mostly as a trial run for the Dreamcast version and are produced in extremely small quantities. There's no way they could make a million dollars off of them.
I'm including all versions. I don't know the exact math, but right now they are taking orders for an LE of Fast Striker AES. Production will be limited to "150-200" units at 439 Euro each. That's Something like $100,000 right there, just from the LE of the AES, not including the regular edition, MVS editions, or DC editions. I would'nt be surprised at all to learn that total revenue per NG Dev title exeeds a million USD. Regardless, I think it's several steps up financially from Mysterious Song. A much bigger production that is actually generating a profit one can live off. Mysterious Song is a labor of love (most of the time). It will probably lose money, like %90 of all homebrew.
Well, if worse comes to worst, then I will simply swap tracks 1 and 2. If they can't handle it like that, then there's no hope for them.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/08/2012, 07:13 PMI'm including all versions. I don't know the exact math, but right now they are taking orders for an LE of Fast Striker AES. Production will be limited to "150-200" units at 439 Euro each. That's Something like $100,000 right there, just from the LE of the AES, not including the regular edition, MVS editions, or DC editions. I would'nt be surprised at all to learn that total revenue per NG Dev title exeeds a million USD. Regardless, I think it's several steps up financially from Mysterious Song. A much bigger production that is actually generating a profit one can live off. Mysterious Song is a labor of love (most of the time). It will
probably lose money, like %90 of all homebrew.
Well, if I was getting paid for the time I've spent on work towards MSR what I get paid per hour at my day job, then I guess I've invested tens if thousands of dollars of labor. :P
Sorry to hear this has become such a nightmare.
I honestly don't know how there can be so many shitty replicators out there. I've used at least 4 different replicators over the past 5-6 years (for DVD projects) and nearly all of them have truly impressed me with their levels of incompetence. I made a similar post on Frozen Utopia's fb page so I won't repeat myself anymore.
The DVDs I produce now are small runs to niche groups so I just ended up buying my own replicator. I'd offer it up for you guys to use, but the end result would be on CD-R media, which I know is a no-no.
That's not replication, that's duplication... an entirely different procedure. :) A replicator is a machine that literally creates CD copies from raw materials and a stamper. A duplicator is essentially a stack of CD writers, which is what it sounds like you have. Duplicators are also relatively cheap in comparison. :D
The problem is that PCE games are non-standard. I'm sure if you gave them an ISO for an audio CD or video DVD or standard data CDROM these idiots would have no problem with it.
Quote from: OldRover on 05/08/2012, 09:10 PMThat's not replication, that's duplication... an entirely different procedure. :) A replicator is a machine that literally creates CD copies from raw materials and a stamper. A duplicator is essentially a stack of CD writers, which is what it sounds like you have. Duplicators are also relatively cheap in comparison. :D
Yeah, what I've got is a duplicator. When working with replicators in the past, some of them would take a straight ISO, sometimes we had to send them all sorts of crazy shit. :) Sorry for the confusion in terminology.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/08/2012, 09:26 PMThe problem is that PCE games are non-standard. I'm sure if you gave them an ISO for an audio CD or video DVD or standard data CDROM these idiots would have no problem with it.
You would be surprised that something so seemingly simple can be botched in so many ways....
Well, I really think that if I send them a disc with track 1 data and the rest audio, it'd work just fine. It'll just break PCE convention is all, plus that track 1 audio track will effectively go to waste... I'll still include it on the disc, but it won't actually be track 1 anymore.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 05/08/2012, 05:47 PMI wish I was. This is beyond fucking stupid.
"Good morning Keelan,
Replication has informed me that all 5 masters will not play! They have tried to play them in cd players and in ITunes with no success. Could you please ask your associate if they were tested before shipping them to us? We will need new masters as soon as you can...
Please see below.
All 5 masters failed QA.
Something is odd. Won't play in CD player or in iTunes.
Will need correct master
Thanks!
Sincerely,
Brian"
Sounds like they have run into a brick wall. Then again, they don't have actual game system hardware there to test on either, so I am sure that is frustrating for them, because they cant really test it the way they need to. You know Smartworks said they cant do this kind of shit anymore, what, 5 years ago. I wonder if the reasons were similar, and they just wanted to avoid pressing a product they felt they cant really test before pressing. As far as NG Dev Team goes, its been implied that their team is fairly small, two brothers and a few others. Last I heard they were trying to hire a pixel artist or two, so its possible they are trying to add on to their team, or someone left. At any rate, its not like everything they sell is high priced. The Neo Cd and DC games have a nice price tag on them, making the stuff widely available.
The Neo carts are high priced, but also not cheap to make either, so I am not surprised for the asking price. Its in line with a niche premium quality product. That and, well, any arcade vendor running a cab is used to paying a lot anyway on the MVS side. They make the money back if their cab is played a lot and the game is solid so its not a big deal for them. That side of gaming (arcade), and the collectors involved, are a totally different breed at times, and are a lot more used to paying $100 on up per game they buy, jamma or otherwise. Honestly, you guys could always try to expand the market on this stuff to bring in extra revenue. Xbox live arcade or whatever, just to help make sure the cost of making the thing gets covered in the long run. If you have total rights to Mysterious Song now, explore all your options.
The only brick wall they ran into was the one they keep banging their own thick skulls into. They are under the assumption that this is a straight-up audio CD since track 1 is audio. They completely ignore us when we tell them that track 2 is data and is NOT to be considered audio.
I've considered converting MSR to the XBLA, but without a machine to test with, and without the publishing fee, it can't happen for now. I've got some cash coming my way shortly that I might use to do such an investment, but it's a real gamble... XBLA is full of shovelware and games rarely do well enough to make it worthwhile... even the best-selling indie game there has only sold around 60k downloads. At a buck a pop, that's not bad, but it's the exception, not the rule. Android is another option; no licensing fees or other such nonsense so there's less overhead involved... just a matter of supporting the different screens available.
The one nice thing about supporting an alternate platform though is that the cutscenes could be made in their entirety; most people don't actually know that there were frames dropped from the PCE version of MSR due to memory constraints. On another platform, we could have them play unedited.
Things must have changed since 2009 at Nationwide Disc.
Or, the specifications of the project are not being properly communicated to them. You have to remember, some QA testers are dense.
When a dense QA tester moves things along and repeats their findings to a sales/managerial type person, it's a recipe for disaster.
They should have a phone contact number. I spoke to my representative dude on the phone directly and explained what they were dealing with. If you wait around for e-mails, it just takes longer.
Above all else, I'd refrain from flipping out on them until you've 100% verified things are now their fault. This time around here, your disc has not even made it to the real machines. It is bombing out in QA.
You're all missing a key fact here. I will repeat it again:
Its bombing out in QA
That means Jeff the Intern stuck it in his iMac and iTunes went "THIS DOESN'T JUST WORK", and he complained, and went and told all his bros how he totes reported a bogus disc. Or however the hell they word it.
Once you explain to them that "fucking duh it won't play in iTunes, its not an audio disc", and tell them it's a video game, I bet you can tell them to press onward to the actual machines here, instead of letting the discs float around in QA land.
Quote from: OldRover on 05/08/2012, 11:18 PMThe only brick wall they ran into was the one they keep banging their own thick skulls into. They are under the assumption that this is a straight-up audio CD since track 1 is audio. They completely ignore us when we tell them that track 2 is data and is NOT to be considered audio.
I've considered converting MSR to the XBLA, but without a machine to test with, and without the publishing fee, it can't happen for now. I've got some cash coming my way shortly that I might use to do such an investment, but it's a real gamble... XBLA is full of shovelware and games rarely do well enough to make it worthwhile... even the best-selling indie game there has only sold around 60k downloads. At a buck a pop, that's not bad, but it's the exception, not the rule. Android is another option; no licensing fees or other such nonsense so there's less overhead involved... just a matter of supporting the different screens available.
The one nice thing about supporting an alternate platform though is that the cutscenes could be made in their entirety; most people don't actually know that there were frames dropped from the PCE version of MSR due to memory constraints. On another platform, we could have them play unedited.
All else fails, if you decide to pursue other avenues/formats, spread the word to the other forums for free advertising. You could also see if Aaron is willing to throw together a small ad for you guys and host it on his youtube channel for more exposure, if he has the time to spare anyway. Or Joe even.
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 05/08/2012, 11:47 PMAll else fails, if you decide to pursue other avenues/formats, spread the word to the other forums for free advertising. You could also see if Aaron is willing to throw together a small ad for you guys and host it on his youtube channel for more exposure, if he has the time to spare anyway. Or Joe even.
You'd think that would help, but it doesn't, for XBox Live at least. I sure hope it'd work better on other platforms.
The Xbox platform is practically toast. Games that are FAR better than Insanity X barely clear 500 downloads if they even break past 100. After subscription fees, and M$'s cut, the team involved makes less than you'd make working a week at McDonalds.
About the only way to get known on XBox, is to blow Kotaku. They have their own section of "recommended games" within the Indie section.
People often sort by most downloads or highest rated. That, or they use the Kotaku button. So other great games just get lost in the shuffle, never to be played. Even with advertising. It really sucks. I went through and bought/5 starred a bunch of games that I felt we're deserving of some recognition on there.
Anyway, I advise against wasting your time on Xbox Live indie games unless you've already blown the money to subscribe and think you can finish before it runs out. It's not worth the fees.
You have to subscribe to even be allowed to test on your xbox. That's horse shit.
You could also allow any of us to upload a promo/trailer of the game to our Youtube accounts. At least there would be more exposure in that regard. Every avenue helps!
Quote from: The Old Rover on 05/08/2012, 09:49 PMplus that track 1 audio track will effectively go to waste...
NOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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:pcgs:
I knew it was too good to be true! :pcgs:
I am patient, of course. It's all good.
We're no closer than before. Apparently, the discs ended up passing QA just fine (they stopped trying to put it into iTunes... fucking dipshits, I swear) but now there's a new "issue". I think we're done with these jokers.
This is the email I got from them:
""Keelan, here is the latest from our replication department.
I'm not sure if this would mean anything to you but here it is...
It seems to be something more than Data/Audio issues
sincerely,
Steve Bennett (filling in for Brian)
> Project is on hold.
>
> Need replacement master. Job makes it through premastering, however when attempting to cut metal it gets the following error:
>
> "0x01030018. No valid description at I:\36351653197-6J-R: MS (00003) - Data Overlap, previous map which ends at 5969 overlaps at 5893.""
Any ideas, OldMan?
Describe the entire CD creation and burn process that was used this time.
This basically sounds like the same error.
Just a guess......
6000 would be the 10 sec mark. The overlap is 1 sec long.
Assuming the 2 sec initial gap, and an 8 sec warning, that puts us at the data track.
Did you set the pregap for the data track to 00:03:00 (ie, 3 seconds).
Don't forget, you have to adjust the other tracks after that, too, so the times are right.
But that's just my guess....
Quote from: TheOldMan on 05/10/2012, 10:13 PMJust a guess......
6000 would be the 10 sec mark. The overlap is 1 sec long.
Assuming the 2 sec initial gap, and an 8 sec warning, that puts us at the data track.
Did you set the pregap for the data track to 00:03:00 (ie, 3 seconds).
Don't forget, you have to adjust the other tracks after that, too, so the times are right.
But that's just my guess....
yeah. I should have specified, that a cue sheet (as part of the steps taken for this current build), is important.
see if you can coax them into some more specifics on the errors going on.
-Build the ISO with isolink2.
-Mount the ISO solo with Alcohol 120%.
-Rip the ISO to a BIN file with CDRWIN.
-Burn the new disc with Alcohol 120% in DAO/SAO mode at 4X (the lowest my burner goes).
Pretty simple. The data track is configured for a 3 second pregap and a 2 second postgap, as per the standard.
Here's the cuesheet used to burn the disc:
FILE track01.wav WAVE
TRACK 01 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track02.bin BINARY
TRACK 02 MODE1/2352
PREGAP 00:03:00
INDEX 01 00:00:00
POSTGAP 00:02:00
FILE track03.wav WAVE
TRACK 03 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track04.wav WAVE
TRACK 04 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track05.wav WAVE
TRACK 05 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track06.wav WAVE
TRACK 06 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track07.wav WAVE
TRACK 07 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track08.wav WAVE
TRACK 08 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track09.wav WAVE
TRACK 09 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track10.wav WAVE
TRACK 10 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track11.wav WAVE
TRACK 11 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track12.wav WAVE
TRACK 12 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track13.wav WAVE
TRACK 13 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track14.wav WAVE
TRACK 14 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track15.wav WAVE
TRACK 15 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track16.wav WAVE
TRACK 16 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track17.wav WAVE
TRACK 17 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track18.wav WAVE
TRACK 18 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track19.wav WAVE
TRACK 19 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track20.wav WAVE
TRACK 20 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track21.wav WAVE
TRACK 21 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track22.wav WAVE
TRACK 22 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track23.wav WAVE
TRACK 23 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track24.wav WAVE
TRACK 24 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track25.wav WAVE
TRACK 25 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track26.wav WAVE
TRACK 26 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track27.wav WAVE
TRACK 27 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track28.wav WAVE
TRACK 28 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track29.wav WAVE
TRACK 29 AUDIO
INDEX 01 00:00:00
Track 1 is 01:15:57 long.
I vote you make a one-off little demo game called Pregap McGee in Legend of the Hidden Overlap.
This should be fixable pretty painlessly.
Have you considered doing the "Stuff it all in one huge file and hand-roll the times" approach?
Just a heads-up... I am seriously considering doing an Xbox 360 remake of this game (yeah, a remake of a remake) but aside from the cutscenes, it would not look anything like the PCE version. A lot of people have been asking for it for awhile now, and now that I actually have a machine to test such a thing on, I might just make it a reality. However, it would get a graphical overhaul, and perhaps even some new areas and side-quests. We'll see what happens over the next few weeks. :)
Oh... and no new news on the pressing yet. Working with TheOldMan to get the cue automake utility fully working.
First thing would be to get the TG version sorted out to completion (including finalizing and shipping the discs out to customers), and then worry about this Xbox 360 version. Just what I think anyway.
Obviously. :P I have other things lined up in 360-land first anyway... gonna be doing a vertical cute-em-up with a very unorthodox theme. :D But I don't have to be concerned with the PCE version 24/7... things happen when they happen, and in the meantime, I've got other things to do. I am not the kind of person to dwell on one particular issue... if it can't be fixed at the moment, worrying about it and doing nothing else is a complete waste of time.
Oh, and another update... there was a problem with the first audio track that was causing the autocue program to have issues. All's fixed on that front now, so we have a new cue file. Just ironing out one final detail.
sweet! hope i didn't come off as being rude. a lot of people tend to take on more than they can do at once and then everything suffers. :)
Quote from: The Old Rover on 05/21/2012, 11:35 PMObviously. :P I have other things lined up in 360-land first anyway... gonna be doing a vertical cute-em-up with a very unorthodox theme. :D But I don't have to be concerned with the PCE version 24/7... things happen when they happen, and in the meantime, I've got other things to do. I am not the kind of person to dwell on one particular issue... if it can't be fixed at the moment, worrying about it and doing nothing else is a complete waste of time.
Oh, and another update... there was a problem with the first audio track that was causing the autocue program to have issues. All's fixed on that front now, so we have a new cue file. Just ironing out one final detail.
yeah, the new cuesheet diddler helps. lol
Speaking of all of this crap
did you think of asking Nationwide for any sort of semi-refund? If you paid for some fast turnaround that hasn't happened, you might be able to.
Just having one minor issue with the cuesheet maker... it's giving a very strange message at the end of the process, and I don't want to move forward until I know what's what.
DataChunk header not found! [cue ┤☺]
We sorted out the last remaining issue... one of the late audio tracks wasn't kosher. All working now. Will be doing testing over the weekend.
I know you are sick of this bastard by now.
I was sick of it 2 years ago. :D
Quote from: OldRover on 05/24/2012, 01:25 AMI was sick of it 2 years ago. :D
Here here! And that's considering I havn't done much testing of the game in general, so I would say Rover must LOATHE this game! It tis' an evil that MUST be perged! :D
Purged, yo. Because I'm pedantic like that...
Testing complete... new masters going out in the morning.
fingers crossed! :)
Took a few extra days but I got the masters sent out. Time was at a premium this past week. :(
Ok, I was under the impression that this thread was locked. Glad you guys worked out your differences, and the updates continue.
Seriously Rove, I'm glad you're still working on this.
eagerly waiting :)
Here we go again, we'll soon find out if the new masters pass or not. Pray to your respective deities / send good wishes / cross your fingers / whatever that we make it!
"Good morning Keelan,
The new masters have arrived. I will be placing them in today and will let you know within the next 2 business days when they pass.
Sincerely,
Brian"
*will not jinx it, will not jinx it, will not jinx it...*
Quote from: OldRover on 06/05/2012, 10:16 PM*will not jinx it, will not jinx it, will not jinx it...*
Doh! You shouldn't have said that, now it's jinxed!!! I guess we gotta start all over again! :P
Another month, another lost bookmark on this thread. I don't know why my email hides just this thread from me! :evil:
I am sending all the positive energy I have your way guys. That'll be all I have to give for a while. ....I may be grumpy for the next few days. :P
hopefully this is it. no more oops issues.
I trust TheOldMan's technical expertise. :)
Quote*will not jinx it, will not jinx it, will not jinx it...*
Quotehopefully this is it. no more oops issues.
We won't know until Friday, at the earliest. It's always possible there is still something that needs fixed.
But if that is the case, we -will- fix it as soon as possible. Promise.
i got worried i missed the release since i was away from the boards for almost a month. Sounds like you guys got your problems sorted out, very good news, I'll keep my fingers crossed!
all good?
Dunno yet. Their latest message didn't inspire much hope, as they are still ignorant of the unorthodox track layout.
Received this email last Friday:
"Keelan,
My apologies! I just got word that the new masters are giving us the same issues as the last ones and have failed. At this point I'm not sure how to proceed.
Please see below.
It is formatted very strange.
I cannot get it to open the original file folder. When you try to open, it thinks it's an audio disc. So if this is supposed to be a game, then something is definitely not right.
Sincerely,
Brian"
I responded reassuring the CD is supposed to be formatted that way and it's expected for the audio tracks to play when inserted into a PC or stereo. We should be able to find out if there are any replication errors next week.
#-o
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Send it to a differnt place, for the love of the god of gods, send it to
a differnt place, send it to a differnt place. #-o
QuoteDear customer,
Your disc read as an audio disc
Sincerly
Do I know what I am doing
Maybe they think you are trying make something for the X-box.
Just tell them to try and write it as an audio disc, and send a test copy back to you. If they could do so I wouldn't give them mind about the context. I am pretty sure in a command line world, this damn thing would read as an audio file, if it was 1984.
Also
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Da phaaaaaaaalalallllalaaa
Send them a Duo-R and go 'PUT IT IN THIS. I BET IT WORKS'
Quote from: Keranu on 06/10/2012, 11:47 AMI responded reassuring the CD is supposed to be formatted that way and it's expected for the audio tracks to play when inserted into a PC or stereo. We should be able to find out if there are any replication errors next week.
Did you include any kind of letter of explanation with the new masters? It seems like you're hitting a huge communication breakdown and trying to reinvent the wheel everytime you contact them. Any correspondence with these guys should include a lengthy introduction/FAQ with plenty of quotes and history of what's gone before.
Arkhan, did you have to hand deliver and hold their retarded little hands to get Insanity pressed? Or is that why its called Insanity? These folks seem like utter retards. I mean damn, how many fucking times do they have to be told, "IT IS SUPPOSED TO FUCKING DO THAT MORONS!!!!"?
no dude i just sent it and first they said your master has a ding in it, send a new one
sent like 10 more, they said ok its good, expect goods in a week...
I just told them it was a video game for a 25 year old game machine.
Quoteno dude i just sent it and first they said your master has a ding in it, send a new one
sent like 10 more, they said ok its good, expect goods in a week...
I just told them it was a video game for a 25 year old game machine
But in all fairness, that was 3 years ago. Apparently, their 'quality control' has improved :).
[Seriously, it seems like they have gone the way of many others, and can't handle anything even a little out of the ordinary. ]
edit:
QuoteI mean damn, how many fucking times do they have to be told, "IT IS SUPPOSED TO FUCKING DO THAT MORONS!!!!"?
Apparently, every time you send a new master, they start all over. Without any memory of what went before.
But with luck, there will only be 1 more "this is screwed up....No, it's supposed to be like that" round.
I forget what the second round actually was, but it had something to do with the audio layout...
And I think if 'Brian' ever gets this actually pressed, we should all e-mail him our thanks.
And ask if he's ready to do another one :)
Quote from: RegalSin on 06/10/2012, 03:31 PMJust tell them to try and write it as an audio disc, and send a test copy back to you.
The problem is, prior discs wouldn't make it through the cutter phase. And if we request a proof disc, it's a few extra hundred bucks.
Quote from: guest on 06/10/2012, 04:53 PMQuote from: Keranu on 06/10/2012, 11:47 AMI responded reassuring the CD is supposed to be formatted that way and it's expected for the audio tracks to play when inserted into a PC or stereo. We should be able to find out if there are any replication errors next week.
Did you include any kind of letter of explanation with the new masters? It seems like you're hitting a huge communication breakdown and trying to reinvent the wheel everytime you contact them. Any correspondence with these guys should include a lengthy introduction/FAQ with plenty of quotes and history of what's gone before.
If we ever have to send in more masters, we'll definitely be attaching a forewarning note!
I hope that when they finally get it right they remember for your future game releases and not have to go through this every single time
Really does sound like one of those instances where you just have to pick up the phone and talk to someone instead of same email going back & forth...
I'm hopeful this gets through, obviously it playing audio beforehand is a good sign. It sounds like this is a good image and has simply just managed to confound nationwide disc.
Quote from: termis on 06/11/2012, 09:32 AMReally does sound like one of those instances where you just have to pick up the phone and talk to someone instead of same email going back & forth...
I wonder if that's where Insanity benefited. I talked on the phone for alot of this stuff.
Quote from: guest on 06/11/2012, 09:55 AMQuote from: termis on 06/11/2012, 09:32 AMReally does sound like one of those instances where you just have to pick up the phone and talk to someone instead of same email going back & forth...
I wonder if that's where Insanity benefited. I talked on the phone for alot of this stuff.
Most likely, yes.
Quote from: DragonmasterDan on 06/11/2012, 09:36 AM...has simply just managed to confound nationwide disc.
That doesn't take much to do. :)
Have we heard any news on how this is moving forward?
Keranu emailed Nationwide already but no response yet. This waiting bit is ridiculous.
So, is email your primary means of communication with them? Is there a reason the telephone has been neglected?
Ask Keranu... he's in charge of all of this. They won't deal with Puerto Rico, so I had to hand it over to him.
I tried sending them another email a couple days ago because that usually gets them talking, but still no email. I have Fridays off work now so I'm going to try giving them a call tomorrow.
Quote from: Keranu on 06/14/2012, 08:38 PMI tried sending them another email a couple days ago because that usually gets them talking, but still no email. I have Fridays off work now so I'm going to try giving them a call tomorrow.
Cool, we're all curious.
i made most communications via phone. try it. maybe thats what the big difference is between insanity and msr...? i told them it was a game for an old console and they never questioned me
At this point, it's gonna be an entire week since we got an update... it's now Friday.
Quote from: OldRover on 06/15/2012, 01:16 AMAt this point, it's gonna be an entire week since we got an update... it's now Friday.
Have you already paid them for their services?
I would be calling whoever is in charge of the entire facility.
Just called Nationwide and spoke to our project manager. Wasn't able to talk to the replication team directly, but Brian did tell me that the replicators did find success with one of the master copies but are still confused with something. I told Brian to reassure his team that the formating is correct, it's for a very old format, and that it's to be expected for it to play audio tracks when inserted into a PC or CD player despite being a video game.
Brian told me he was preparing an email to go out to me today. He sounded like a nice guy on the phone, if that helps us at all :P .
Quote from: Keranu on 06/15/2012, 12:27 PMJust called Nationwide and spoke to our project manager. Wasn't able to talk to the replication team directly, but Brian did tell me that the replicators did find success with one of the master copies but are still confused with something. I told Brian to reassure his team that the formating is correct, it's for a very old format, and that it's to be expected for it to play audio tracks when inserted into a PC or CD player despite being a video game.
Brian told me he was preparing an email to go out to me today. He sounded like a nice guy on the phone, if that helps us at all :P .
Better than nothing. :)
Man, you guys have really been through some shit with this game. It'll all work out tho, I have faith.
Not really a fan of RPGs, but I'll definitely pick it up due to the sheer amount of work you guys put into it. And appreciate it And cuz I'm a big fan of homebrew
QuoteBrian did tell me that the replicators did find success with one of the master copies but are still confused
....And you're on to round 2. Now you have to convince them there isn't a problem. Hopefully, the cutter will be able to use the disc. If so, you're home free.
.....If not, we fix the problem (once they tell us what it is) and start again with "It doesn't play in a CD player". <sigh>
QuoteHe sounded like a nice guy on the phone,
That's his job, to be nice. Would help if he were more technically inclined, though.
.........................
Looks like you may see a release before the end of the summer, though :)
so the holdup is creating the CDs? Why can't they just be burned to regular CDRs on a home computer and then have the labels etched on?
Quote from: PikachuWarrior on 06/15/2012, 01:49 PMso the holdup is creating the CDs? Why can't they just be burned to regular CDRs on a home computer and then have the labels etched on?
Because CDRs are comparatively shit, especially with a lightscribe label.
Quote from: TheOldMan on 06/15/2012, 01:31 PMQuoteBrian did tell me that the replicators did find success with one of the master copies but are still confused
....And you're on to round 2. Now you have to convince them there isn't a problem. Hopefully, the cutter will be able to use the disc. If so, you're home free.
.....If not, we fix the problem (once they tell us what it is) and start again with "It doesn't play in a CD player". <sigh>
He also mentioned something on the phone about how there may be some issue with their company using newer replication software for our old software, but he doesn't know anything about the technical details. We'll wait and see what the email says.
Quote from: Storinoso the holdup is creating the CDs? Why can't they just be burned to regular CDRs on a home computer and then have the labels etched on?
TG/PCE CD and Duo systems can be very picky with CD-Rs and may misalign the lasers. Meteor Blaster was burned to silver CD-Rs and many people had problems running it on their systems. Plus replication is more authentic and professional, we won't settle for less unless we absolutely have to.
Quote from: PikachuWarrior on 06/15/2012, 01:49 PMso the holdup is creating the CDs? Why can't they just be burned to regular CDRs on a home computer and then have the labels etched on?
NEC hardware generally does not play well with CDRs. They cause lasers to jam among other issues if they play at all. Since this is a commercial release a glass mastered disc would be best.
theres an echo in here. also i wonder if you have the same brian i had. lol. ill see what emails i kept
Brian Rowe is who we have. PM me your job# if you still have it too, that might be useful if they're still having problems.
that seems awfully familiar. ill check tonight. im at a wedding. lol
try bringing it up go them yourself and see
Next time make it for HuCards.
Quote from: guest on 06/15/2012, 03:03 PMNext time make it for HuCards.
Already doing this for some things. :)
Quote from: guest on 06/15/2012, 03:03 PMNext time make it for HuCards.
lol it is starting to look like it's easier to produce HuCards over CDs!
No kidding.
It's 8:44pm and I still haven't received the email :( .
Quote from: Keranu on 06/15/2012, 09:44 PMIt's 8:44pm and I still haven't received the email :( .
Send them a pre-emptive email so hopefully you'll hear back on Monday.
Quote from: Keranu on 06/15/2012, 04:22 PMQuote from: guest on 06/15/2012, 03:03 PMNext time make it for HuCards.
lol it is starting to look like it's easier to produce HuCards over CDs!
With gameofyou's flashcard, all you need now is to email a rom to someone once they pay. Much easier!
Quote from: guest on 06/17/2012, 11:47 AMQuote from: Keranu on 06/15/2012, 04:22 PMQuote from: guest on 06/15/2012, 03:03 PMNext time make it for HuCards.
lol it is starting to look like it's easier to produce HuCards over CDs!
With gameofyou's flashcard, all you need now is to email a rom to someone once they pay. Much easier!
If someone develops something for HuCards like that 4gig/CD sound expansion for SNES carts, then games like Mysterious Song could work on HuCards.
Gaaah still no email! Going to send Brian a reminder.
Quote from: Keranu on 06/18/2012, 07:14 PMGaaah still no email! Going to send Brian a reminder.
No response is concerning. Bad for business and very unprofessional. Bruise their ego some by telling them Chinese pressing facilities offer better services. :twisted:
I predict this game will officially come out....by November. There you have it, folks!.
Im thinking no emails equals no issues. In the past, an email followed a problem. Maybe this is a good thing. :)
Quote from: Mathius on 06/18/2012, 11:53 PMNo response is concerning. Bad for business and very unprofessional. Bruise their ego some by telling them Chinese pressing facilities offer better services. :twisted:
and nonworking discs.
Quote from: guest on 06/19/2012, 09:47 AMQuote from: Mathius on 06/18/2012, 11:53 PMNo response is concerning. Bad for business and very unprofessional. Bruise their ego some by telling them Chinese pressing facilities offer better services. :twisted:
and nonworking discs.
That was my point. :)
lol
CHING CHANGS SPEEDY CD PLESSING WAREHOUSE!
DERIVERING FAST, NO WORKY PRODUCT DILECT TO YOU!
Quote from: Bernie on 06/19/2012, 09:15 AMIm thinking no emails equals no issues. In the past, an email followed a problem. Maybe this is a good thing. :)
Well, this
is after they said for the first time that they "had success with one of the masters". So hopefully the only remaining issue is that they don't know how to tell if the final product is correct or not.
They can tell. They just can't play it.
:)
QuoteGaaah still no email! Going to send Brian a reminder
Quotehopefully the only remaining issue is that they don't know how to tell if the final product is correct or not.
That's what I'm thinking. They can't find anything -wrong- with it, but they can't be sure it's right because it doesn't fit their standard cd layout.
Hopefully, Brian will have learned to talk to the techs and get an exact error description if anything -is- wrong.
Are we talking about correct as in "works in a turbo" or correct as in "matches the master"??
They can tell if it matches the master, but can't tell if it works in a Turbo.
Or maybe they can, because someone working there has a Duo-R in their trunk..
If it matches the master, it should work in teh turbob since the masters all worked fine-n-dandy-like.
At last, the long awaited email!
"Good morning Keelan,
I checked and they are still working to get the pressing. I will keep you informed.
Sincerely,
Brian"
Yeah not the juicy info I was expecting, but this sounds hopeful, I think.
Hurray! I -think- that means you are in the queue for pressing. (ie. they made the master!).
Step 3 is done. Here's hoping there are no further problems :)
Yeah, sounds like it passed the cutter phase... that's a good sign. :)
*Gets ready champagne bottle*
Quote from: Mathius on 06/19/2012, 05:09 PM*Gets ready champagne bottle*
The champ-pagne is reserved for the day I hold a copy of this magical adventure in my hands dear Matti.
but hey, it shouldn't be too much longer :D
Quote from: PikachuWarrior on 06/19/2012, 12:26 AMI predict this game will officially come out....by November. There you have it, folks!.
fudge
Quote from: Mathius on 06/19/2012, 05:09 PM*Gets ready champagne bottle*
I so hope you are right! I can't wait to get my copy that I pre-ordered! :)
I'm going to assume that no news is good news at this point. :)
Quote from: OldRover on 06/22/2012, 02:08 AMI'm going to assume that no news is good news at this point. :)
But they should have at least sent some sort of update, rather than leave a paying customer in limbo. Not to mention with a project that proved so difficult. A short email letting you know everything is ok would be expected, at this point. Other than that, hopefully no news is good news with these numbskulls. :)
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 06/19/2012, 05:23 PMQuote from: Mathius on 06/19/2012, 05:09 PM*Gets ready champagne bottle*
The champ-pagne is reserved for the day I hold a copy of this magical adventure in my hands dear Matti.
but hey, it shouldn't be too much longer :D
Buy two bottles. :P
Yikes, hold the champaign. Our Turbo train has derailed once again:
"Good morning Keelan,
I was out all day yesterday.
Here is the latest information I received from our replication department.
____________________________________________________________________________________________
We have tried many various ways to read these discs but the format is unusual and we keep getting uncorrectable errors on the transitions. I have to say that we can't do this format.
It seems this master is able to work on a CDR, but the way it is formatted does not allow a stamper to be made for replication. Candidly if the stamping department cannot get a stamper from the master(s) provided, it's safe to say no one can.
Let us know how you wish to proceed
___________________________________________________________________________________________
Keelan, my apologies but at this time we are not able to replicate with the masters provided.
At this point all the print is completed and ready for the discs. But we can not complete the job without the masters completing the stamping process. Please let me know if your mastering guy knows of any other options and if new masters will be sent. I will keep trying. But, after trying 3 attempts we have exhausted every means.
Please let me know how you would like to proceed.
Sincerely,
Brian"
I wish this was just a bad joke, but that's what was in my inbox today. OldMan, any ideas on this one? Unless they've updated their software, it shouldn't be impossible to replicate our format, as we already know from Insanity's production.
Arkhan if you can find your job #, I could email it to them for reference and maybe that will help. Other than that, I'm all out of ideas.
Yes: get the job # from Arkhan. If he got it done there, you should be able to as well. If nothing else, get Arkhan on the phone with these guys.
I sent Brian Rowe an email.
I don't have any of the emails handy for the project and can't find them, but I still have his email in my contacts.
NOOOOOOOOOOO! Fuck these fucking fuckers right in the eye socket! :evil: :evil: :evil:
QuoteOldMan, any ideas on this one?
A few. I'm -not- ready to give up on this, damnit....
1) Ask Brian to put the job on hold. And if can give you any more information about the error (and error code, text, -anything-) it would be appreaciated. "Uncorrectable errors" doesn't really tell us anything.
2) Snail-mail me a copy of the master. From what he's saying, it seems to be a problem with the track transitions. We can check / adjust that and re-send.
I want to know what problem they're having, and without being able to see the p-q channel transitions, you would be back to a crapshoot, as far as fixing the actual problem. Sure it might go away, but what about the next game?
Remember, it's not just MSR riding on this. We almost have PP ready, and tuoko is looking at a CD for the Karate game (hopefully) if we can get things straightened out. I really would hate for all that to fall through. This is supposed to be the PCE's year :)
Quote from: TheOldMan on 06/22/2012, 01:58 PMQuoteOldMan, any ideas on this one?
A few. I'm -not- ready to give up on this, damnit....
1) Ask Brian to put the job on hold. And if can give you any more information about the error (and error code, text, -anything-) it would be appreaciated. "Uncorrectable errors" doesn't really tell us anything.
2) Snail-mail me a copy of the master. From what he's saying, it seems to be a problem with the track transitions. We can check / adjust that and re-send.
I want to know what problem they're having, and without being able to see the p-q channel transitions, you would be back to a crapshoot, as far as fixing the actual problem. Sure it might go away, but what about the next game?
Remember, it's not just MSR riding on this. We almost have PP ready, and tuoko is looking at a CD for the Karate game (hopefully) if we can get things straightened out. I really would hate for all that to fall through. This is supposed to be the PCE's year :)
This is why I don't want to give up. I want factory pressed discs of new games and possibly translated games streaming in for the rest of my life.
Quote from: Keranu on 06/22/2012, 12:51 PMA wall of heart-breaking text.
DAMN YOU, NATIONWIDE!!!!!!!
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Maybe Ark and Old Man can straighten this out. I am rooting for you guys!
Brian asked me for my project number.
lolcrap.
That's it, I'm just going to press Nod to go with Chang's Speedy Discount Pressing House! ](*,)
You get chicken with your order too...
Okay so it is time to try another presser? This sounds ridicolous. A cd is just a bunch of burn holes, consisting of trillions of microscopic 1's and 0's, right? This machine basically reads the cd, and replicates those holes.
The pressers, just have to pop it into the machine. It reads the holes, and a laser, or scribe ( or whatever level 1,2,3,4,5,6 device ) goes threw it and carve the same exact holes threw all the discs provided. Then they finish the job?
So my question is what is wrong? They have a 30,000,000 dollar machine right?
it was made to do away with the proccess of indivisual writing, and multiple format issues, right??
In fact what is the model number of the machine they are using? ( as if they will give you that answer?
Right now I would find another presser. An much more older and bolder presser. Seriously, it is basically the same as pressing a sound cd??? I think something else is going on here. What is the pre-gap???
Quote from: guest on 06/22/2012, 06:28 PMBrian asked me for my project number.
lolcrap.
You still have copies of unsold Insanities lying around, right? Wouldn't it also be written on the box(s) that the CDs were packed in? I would assume that they would mark them, so they wouldn't misplace or lose them, with the project # or something. Try checking there? Just an idea. :-k
Can't they just find your project number by looking up your name/zip code or something?
I guess they do have some sort of computerised ordering system....right?
I responded to Brian's email yesterday and Rover will be sending TheOldMan copies of the masters ASAP. We would like to find out as much info as we can from their replication software/hardware before switching companies.
I don't understand why they went ahead and did the manuals and such ahead of time... that was a dumb move. This company has issues.
Quote from: OldRover on 06/23/2012, 04:13 PMI don't understand why they went ahead and did the manuals and such ahead of time... that was a dumb move. This company has issues.
I wonder if they will make yall pay for that part, even if they cannot finish the project??
Everything's already paid for, so... I dunno. We're gonna find out. It's just foolish to go through with such a thing until the stamper arrives... that's how I'd run things. I reckon they just assumed it'd not be a problem. I really hate it when people assume shit so important.
I really hope you can sort out these issues. It's a real shame that it is so difficult to get CD-ROMs pressed. Not just for this project but as mentioned, for future projects it would be a big boost if discs can be properly stamped. I missed Insanity when it came out, I had no idea any homebrew PCE game had ever been stamped until I stumbled on this thread. I recall Meteor Blaster DX had to be burned on CD-Rs because a company capable of producing the disc couldn't be found.
Quote from: MottZilla on 06/25/2012, 08:29 PMI really hope you can sort out these issues. It's a real shame that it is so difficult to get CD-ROMs pressed. Not just for this project but as mentioned, for future projects it would be a big boost if discs can be properly stamped. I missed Insanity when it came out, I had no idea any homebrew PCE game had ever been stamped until I stumbled on this thread. I recall Meteor Blaster DX had to be burned on CD-Rs because a company capable of producing the disc couldn't be found.
You didn't miss Insanity, lol.
It's still available.
Quote from: MottZilla on 06/25/2012, 08:29 PMI really hope you can sort out these issues. It's a real shame that it is so difficult to get CD-ROMs pressed. Not just for this project but as mentioned, for future projects it would be a big boost if discs can be properly stamped. I missed Insanity when it came out, I had no idea any homebrew PCE game had ever been stamped until I stumbled on this thread. I recall Meteor Blaster DX had to be burned on CD-Rs because a company capable of producing the disc couldn't be found.
Nope, you can still order Insanity right from Arkhan. :) He may even signs it, making it uber rare!!
Quote from: Bernie on 06/25/2012, 09:41 PMQuote from: MottZilla on 06/25/2012, 08:29 PMI really hope you can sort out these issues. It's a real shame that it is so difficult to get CD-ROMs pressed. Not just for this project but as mentioned, for future projects it would be a big boost if discs can be properly stamped. I missed Insanity when it came out, I had no idea any homebrew PCE game had ever been stamped until I stumbled on this thread. I recall Meteor Blaster DX had to be burned on CD-Rs because a company capable of producing the disc couldn't be found.
Nope, you can still order Insanity right from Arkhan. :) He may even signs it, making it uber rare!!
I sold my signed copy on eBay for "sex with Scarlett Johansson". That was the BIN that kept on giving.
Quote from: guest on 06/25/2012, 09:27 PMYou didn't miss Insanity, lol.
It's still available.
To clarify, I was not browsing PC Engine forums around the time it first came out. So I missed its release. Glad I did not miss its availability. And I hope it's just the first of many new games pressed to discs.
Quote from: MottZilla on 06/26/2012, 12:18 PMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 06/25/2012, 09:27 PMYou didn't miss Insanity, lol.
It's still available.
To clarify, I was not browsing PC Engine forums around the time it first came out. So I missed its release. Glad I did not miss its availability. And I hope it's just the first of many new games pressed to discs.
Ohhh. Ok. I get you.
Yeah, I thought you thought it was gone forever. Its not. I got a huge box of them left, lol
Just curious, how many units did you have to order to get it manufactured? I was surprised when I saw on I think that National Disc place a 300 unit order minimum for pressed discs in jewel cases. I'd have thought you'd have to order more units than that. I guess times have changed.
500.
300 is the minimum, but to get 200 more copies is like an extra hundred bucks or something.
I've received some uplifting news!
"Hi Andrew (Arkhan),
We have found your job and are looking into what was done.
Keelan, I will keep you up to date as to what we find.
Sincerely,
Brian"
Worddddd up.
Lets hope they don't go "Oh, this was with our old software. You're fucked"
I certainly hope they figure it out. It would really suck if they can't do it anymore.
If all else fails, we still got the AbCard...
yeah, but MSR would never work on an AbCard, lol .
It'd need rewritten all over the place
I have other things planned for AbCard anyway. :)
Didn't exactly mean MSR, I meant in general.
AbCard games will be cool, but I'd still like to see CD games produced, even if it means doing them like Meteor Blaster DX.
Yeah, AbCard's will be cool, but if it was only AbCard's....that'd leave me drifting in the wind, with maybe the minor exceptions of pcm sound effects, & feedback. But there'd be no more redbook tunage, nor voice acting for me to contribute to :cry:
I hope this works out.. I'd hate to have thrown away money because of an inept 3rd party. Please keep us up to date.. sending positive vibes! :)
PD, if you can compose, you can use Squirrel. It's just music notation. A squirrel could use Squirrel. And we all know you can compose.
Brain, one name I will never name my son.
Quote from: OldRover on 06/23/2012, 04:13 PMI don't understand why they went ahead and did the manuals and such ahead of time... that was a dumb move. This company has issues.
They did that to lock you in, on purpose. Apparently they are applying divide and conquer. Print everything else, first then do the writing, and say oh well, you still have to.
Maybe you get it pressed at another place, and send the unmarked discs to them, to finish the job. It sounds kinda foolish in the process, because the other presser will put the discs, inside cases, then they will take out every single CD.
Or even stupider, Get all the packaged umarked and unfinished discs sent to a new presser, and have them print. However they probably need clean cds to press. They would have to take out every single disc. That is another idea.[/quote]until the stamper arrives[/quote]
Stamper? they have everything their ?
Replicators typically take care of the printed portions first because it takes longer for them to dry than it does to crank out the discs. From what I recall, they often times do the print on day one and the disc on day two so they can start assembling everything as the discs are being completed. I seriously doubt it was to lock you in. Many replicators don't even have the capabilities to print in-house and have to get the print done by a local 3rd party and back to them before they even start the disc pressing.
I've run into issues with replicators in the past where they had completed the print but we ran into problems with the replicator, so we had them ship the prints to another replicator. We paid replicator #1 just for the print and replicator #2 for the discs and assembly. I hope you don't have to go down that route.
They printed ahead of time because that's how the entire process works. It's sort of like an assembly line. CDs come down the line and merge with the packaging that was done in parallel, and CDs fall into a box.
then a gerbil car delivers them to UPS.
It's not normal to encounter all of these errors with discs. They acted in the manner that keeps their processes running smoothly.
If they waited til the CD arrived to print the stuff out, they would have wasted some time, and once the CDs are done, you'd have to wait like 2-3 extra days for printing/drying/assembling.
Quote from: OldRover on 06/29/2012, 02:40 AMPD, if you can compose, you can use Squirrel. It's just music notation. A squirrel could use Squirrel. And we all know you can compose.
Maybe, but I feel like I have a million times more control using my midi keyboard & ye old MMT-8 sequencer then when using squirel, especially since, even though I can compose, I don't know notes. I've never had training, I just figure everything out with my ears, & find each key on my keyboard. If I were able to use my keyboard & MMT-8 in conjunction with Squirrel, then hell yeah! Maybe someday though...
I think as long as you can make midis, you can convert those straight to MML with Squirrel.
Quote from: Keranu on 06/29/2012, 06:32 PMI think as long as you can make midis, you can convert those straight to MML with Squirrel.
This is true.
:-k This intrigues me, though, I'd assume I'd have to go buy a new sound card to transfer the midi? My old sound card had midi inputs on it, but I never could get it working right.
I moved the Mac war to Fighting Street.
No word from Brian yet, lets hope we'll get some meaty tidbits of info this coming week.
Thank you, Keranu.
As for MSR, the folks who pre-ordered must be waiting with bated breath.
Quote from: RegalSin on 06/29/2012, 07:29 AMBrain, one name I will never name my son.
I don't think there's any chance of any of your progeny aquiring that name.
lol I love RegalSin, he's my favorite user!
(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/hany_in_the_sky.png) Hany says, "So, nothing has changed since I was here last."
Hurray, some good news at last!
"Hi Keelan,
Replication has informed me that they were able to get a stamper. However, they have recommended that a check disc be sent. The cost for the check disc is normally $195 but because of the issues at hand we are bring the amount down to $150. The other option would be to wave the check disc and proceed by agreeing to the waiver below.
Here is what the replication department sent me.
Looks like the stamper was able to be made!
But.....we are highly recommending that we make a check disc for the stamper and send it out for review.
If choose not to do the check disc, we would require a waiver noting that you understand the master is not to industry spec and may not play correctly in all players. Advise how you wish to go forward.
Thanks!"
The check disc sounds like a gimmick to suck a few more bucks out of us. I wouldn't mind paying for it if we really need it, what do you all think?
Also I'm a little disappointed they didn't mention what the problem was with the masters... apparently they don't need new ones either.
Check disc is better than pressing and failing?
I am a worrier though.
Quote from: TheClash603 on 07/06/2012, 08:08 PMCheck disc is better than pressing and failing?
I am a worrier though.
I tend to agree. I doubt there are any issues, but after what you've been through I wouldn't want to leave any room for error. I'm willing to cover the cost of the check disc, PM me.
QuoteI wouldn't mind paying for it if we really need it, what do you all think?
Tough Call.
However,
Quoteyou understand the master is not to industry spec and may not play correctly in all players
Isn't that what we've been telling them all along?
I still don't understand what is not to spec, though....
What exactly do they mean by "check disc"? They gonna replicate one single disc and send it to ya for review? Seems pricey... Unless they've made some massive change to their stamper/software, I see no reason why there would be a problem since Insanity was created with no issues. Sounds like a money scheme to me. If a check disc isn't done, everyone who has dished out money for preorders have to have a say and understand that they would be losing their dough if replication fails.
I'll donate an extra $10 if it'll help!!
Did Ark get a "check disc" made for Insanity?
Quote from: Mathius on 07/06/2012, 10:18 PMDid Ark get a "check disc" made for Insanity?
That's what I'd like to know as well. I assume if our masters work, then the replications would likely work.
We should have enough funds from pre-orders to cover the cost for a check disc, but people are welcome to donate extra.
I don't know how long it will Nationwide to create a test disc; if we go ahead without one, the game would be released by the end of this month, so probably an August release if we take the safe route.
I didn't get a check disc.
I wonder if reviewing the Insanity project sparked some sort of tidbit of information needed for them to continue onward.
My guess is it's not to "industry spec" because they are still treating it like its an audio CD.
I'd think you should have them send this "check disc" just to be safe. It may take longer and cost a bit more money, but better that than to get a pile of useless CD-ROMs. Sucks to have to delay things but sometimes that is just how it goes.
Get the check disc.
Then put in on ebay for $400 as a RAER Prototype.
It would certainly sell.
Have you thought of sending them a copy of Insanity so they can compare and see that they've already been able to press a PCE game?
Quote from: Keranu on 07/06/2012, 07:34 PMIf choose not to do the check disc, we would require a waiver noting that you understand the master is not to industry spec and may not play correctly in all players...
I'm not sure what this means - how is a check disc supposed to change that statement above? Isn't the final product
NOT meant to play in all players in the first place?!?!
That is, getting the check disc isn't going to change anything in terms of "playing correctly in all players....". As far as that wording goes, they don't seem to be guaranteeing anything relevant or necessary for playing the disc in a PCE-console.
Sounds like they press one disc, send it to you so you can see if its good. If its not then there is an option to rework things. If you go ahead and press and the discs arent right, then you risk wasting the money on a bunch of bad discs. Id say go ahead and get the test disc. Im sure several of us will chip in to cover its cost. And it could officially be the very first copy so collectors would go gaga over it.
Quote from: guest on 07/07/2012, 04:13 AMGet the check disc.
Then put in on ebay for $400 as a RAER Prototype.
That's funny. Maybe not exactly this but actually that's a good idea. I'm sure you could sell the check disc if you wanted to make some of the money back on it, assuming it works. If it doesn't work it's worth it not to lose money getting a bunch of dud discs.
I don't think that we should risk anything at this point. If donations are needed to get the check disc, I can offer up hand-drawn/colored Mysterious Song art for $20+ and $50+ donations.
Ill offer $50 towards it.
I have $235 worth of pre-order funds in my Pay Pal account to cover the cost for a check disc. Since it sounds like just about everyone is in agreement to have one made, I'll go ahead and let Brian know we'd like a check disc to be sent.
Normally, it would take 10 business days to replicate 500 discs, so it shouldn't take longer than that to press a check disc, hopefully even quicker. If we're lucky we might still see a July release, but if things continue to go smoothly we should see a release no later than August.
You should start a separate thread, $10 donation towards the check disc. One of the people who donates gets the check disc, and would be the first person with the game.
This is good because :
A.) You dont have to pay for the check disc.
B.) You can make sure the game works.
C.) No one person is donating too much.
D.) Builds some hype around the game with the raffle.
Just my two cents.
I think that's an excellent idea, Clash!
I sent Brian an email just awhile ago letting him know to proceed with the check disc. I also asked him if his replication team could give any tech info on how they were able to make the stamper.
Quote from: TheClash603 on 07/07/2012, 01:16 PMYou should start a separate thread, $10 donation towards the check disc. One of the people who donates gets the check disc, and would be the first person with the game.
This is good because :
A.) You dont have to pay for the check disc.
B.) You can make sure the game works.
C.) No one person is donating too much.
D.) Builds some hype around the game with the raffle.
Just my two cents.
Great Idea, hell throw in the blown up artwork too!
I'll happily donate $10-$20 for it.
The disc isn't supposed to pass "industry standard". The data track isn't a regular filesystem, and it doesn't matter if it doesn't play "in all players"... it only needs to play in the players. Regardless, a check disc is a wise idea, just to be sure.
Blah blah brain is just chump changing you. You do what you gotta do, to get those boom babies printed. Then you can go to PLAY magazine and get interviewed in your lair.
Quote from: RegalSin on 07/07/2012, 07:11 PMBlah blah brain is just chump changing you. You do what you gotta do, to get those boom babies printed. Then you can go to PLAY magazine and get interviewed in your lair.
LOL another "lair"!
...Beamer's "lair" would be better. His has moonbeams.
Quote from: RegalSin on 07/07/2012, 07:11 PMBlah blah brain is just chump changing you. You do what you gotta do, to get those boom babies printed. Then you can go to PLAY magazine and get interviewed in your lair.
Haha, I love this guy! Funny enough, you can check out my "lair" in the pre-order DVD bonus.
QuoteThe disc isn't supposed to pass "industry standard". The data track isn't a regular filesystem, and it doesn't matter if it doesn't play "in all players"... it only needs to play in the players. Regardless, a check disc is a wise idea, just to be sure.
Rover's call. Now, lets find a way to fund it....
QuoteI have $235 worth of pre-order funds in my Pay Pal account to cover the cost for a check disc.
But we shouldn't let you do that. I'll shake down Arkhan for $20. (Only because I don't pay-pal).
Everybody else, pony up.
Quote from: TheClash603 on 07/07/2012, 01:16 PMYou should start a separate thread, $10 donation towards the check disc. One of the people who donates gets the check disc, and would be the first person with the game.
This is good because :
A.) You dont have to pay for the check disc.
B.) You can make sure the game works.
C.) No one person is donating too much.
D.) Builds some hype around the game with the raffle.
Just my two cents.
Sounds like a cool idea.
I just hope after this if the company manages to make good discs they can not go through all this for the next PCE disc pressing. It would be horrid if every new game went through this.
Quote from: TheOldMan on 07/07/2012, 07:42 PMQuoteI have $235 worth of pre-order funds in my Pay Pal account to cover the cost for a check disc.
But we shouldn't let you do that. I'll shake down Arkhan for $20. (Only because I don't pay-pal).
Everybody else, pony up.
We were able to cover the production cost very quickly with the pre-orders and I still get the occasional order coming in. People are welcome to donate, a buck or two will do just dandy. I'll start the donation raffle once Brian has the order set.
And ofcoarse, then we get the check disc.....fire it up....& nothing, now that would suck, but, I'm hoping for the best. Who's the check disc being sent to anyways? K? Nod?
Happy to help the cause, but just make sure they remember exactly what they have done to get this to work, infact make it a condition of the contract and the check disk. They have to record what haas been done to make this work, and for all future PCE projects they can reference their "how to guide".
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 07/07/2012, 11:02 PMAnd ofcoarse, then we get the check disc.....fire it up....& nothing, now that would suck, but, I'm hoping for the best. Who's the check disc being sent to anyways? K? Nod?
I was gonna have it sent to me just to make things a little easier for Nationwide, but I can tell them to mail it to Nod if he wants it.
Quote from: mrhaboobi on 07/07/2012, 11:36 PMHappy to help the cause, but just make sure they remember exactly what they have done to get this to work, infact make it a condition of the contract and the check disk. They have to record what haas been done to make this work, and for all future PCE projects they can reference their "how to guide".
It sounds to me like it was just a simple case of miscommunication. They were told that the disc was a non standard game disc, and those morons tried to play it with Windows Media Player or some stupid shit. Doesn't sound like the "stamping" is even an issue. Don't see how it could be when your making an exact 1:1 copy of the master. But hopefully they take notes to prevent such problems in the future.
I think, when this is over, that MSR will become a cautionary tale to other homebrew authors. There are lessons to be learned...
Keranu, if you have both the original CDROM unit and a Duo, take it and test it there. I only have a Duo, so it would need to be sent to someone with an original unit too.
Quote from: OldRover on 07/08/2012, 10:45 AMKeranu, if you have both the original CDROM unit and a Duo, take it and test it there. I only have a Duo, so it would need to be sent to someone with an original unit too.
I have a Turbo CD.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 07/08/2012, 10:45 AMKeranu, if you have both the original CDROM unit and a Duo, take it and test it there. I only have a Duo, so it would need to be sent to someone with an original unit too.
I have a PCE CD-ROM, Duo RX, Turbo-CD and TurboDuo.
Quote from: guest on 07/08/2012, 12:29 PMQuote from: OldRover on 07/08/2012, 10:45 AMKeranu, if you have both the original CDROM unit and a Duo, take it and test it there. I only have a Duo, so it would need to be sent to someone with an original unit too.
I have a PCE CD-ROM, Duo RX, Turbo-CD and TurboDuo.
I have a.... Duo, TGCD, PCECD, SCD2, DuoR, DuoRX, Laseractive!
Just followin a trend there :)
Quote from: OldRover on 07/08/2012, 10:45 AMKeranu, if you have both the original CDROM unit and a Duo, take it and test it there. I only have a Duo, so it would need to be sent to someone with an original unit too.
I have a Turbo Duo and a PCE Briefcase, but the CD unit on the PCE will no longer load CDs :( . I'll have it sent to CrackTiger, and that way he can also send out any artwork with the raffle if he wants to.
Quote from: BlueBMW on 07/08/2012, 01:01 PMQuote from: CrackTiger on 07/08/2012, 12:29 PMQuote from: The Old Rover on 07/08/2012, 10:45 AMKeranu, if you have both the original CDROM unit and a Duo, take it and test it there. I only have a Duo, so it would need to be sent to someone with an original unit too.
I have a PCE CD-ROM, Duo RX, Turbo-CD and TurboDuo.
I have a.... Duo, TGCD, PCECD, SCD2, DuoR, DuoRX, Laseractive!
Just followin a trend there :)
You've also got all my shit!
If you send it here, we've got two duo-rs, and OldMan's CD unit.
Quote from: BlueBMW on 07/08/2012, 01:01 PMI have a.... Duo, TGCD, PCECD, SCD2, DuoR, DuoRX, Laseractive!
What about the SGX-->RAU-30-->PCECD?
If that's not an important user base for homebrew developers, I don't know what is.
Quote from: VestCunt on 07/08/2012, 10:52 PMQuote from: BlueBMW on 07/08/2012, 01:01 PMI have a.... Duo, TGCD, PCECD, SCD2, DuoR, DuoRX, Laseractive!
What about the SGX-->RAU-30-->PCECD?
If that's not an important user base for homebrew developers, I don't know what is.
THATS THE SETUP I USE SUCKAAAAAAYEAHUHHHHH
except the rau-30 is all dumb and Beemler is fixing it.
I never realized just how big the rau 30 was lol hopefully I can get you feexed up ark.
Quote from: BlueBMW on 07/09/2012, 07:51 AMI never realized just how big the rau 30 was lol hopefully I can get you feexed up ark.
What really annoys me about the RAU-30 is that the cable is so damn thick and retarded, and its on the wrong fuckin side, so you can't really like put the SGX to the side you want to easily.
I usually shove it in and turn the thing backwards so I can do it.
The check disc order has been made! They won't ship outside the US, so I'll have to mail it to CrackTiger myself if he's still interested in testing the disc.
"Hey Keelan,
Great - I will get with billing after lunch and get everything moving here. It takes about 3 business days. Once it's completed I will let you know.
As for shipping to Canada. We do not ship outside the US, so I would have to ship to out to you.
Sincerely,
Brian"
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And with that said, I will now take donations for the raffle! My Pay Pal ID is keelan_mckenna@yahoo.com, just make sure to indicate it's a donation in the comment box. Any donation amount will qualify for the raffle, so don't feel pressured to donate more than you're comfortable with!
Donation sent!
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 07/09/2012, 04:00 AMexcept the rau-30 is all dumb and Beemler is fixing it.
Did you buy the one I sold to Nat?
Thanks so much, vestcunt! You are donator numero uno!
Donation sent. If you guys need more let me know.
Quote from: guest on 07/09/2012, 06:22 PMDid you buy the one I sold to Nat?
I did, but unfortunately I have not received any of the things I bought from nat. :(
Donation sent. Hope this is the real deal. :)
Thanks for the donations guys, this helps us a lot!
Also to anyone else donating, please include your PCEFX username in the comments.
hmm.. I think I did that. Least I hope.. lol
You're good Bernie, I saw your username in the comments. I figured out BlueBMW's username by his email address.
Quote from: Keranu on 07/09/2012, 05:59 PMThe check disc order has been made! They won't ship outside the US, so I'll have to mail it to Black_Tiger myself if he's still interested in testing the disc.
"Hey Keelan,
Great - I will get with billing after lunch and get everything moving here. It takes about 3 business days. Once it's completed I will let you know.
As for shipping to Canada. We do not ship outside the US, so I would have to ship to out to you.
Sincerely,
Brian"
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And with that said, I will now take donations for the raffle! My Pay Pal ID is keelan_mckenna@yahoo.com, just make sure to indicate it's a donation in the comment box. Any donation amount will qualify for the raffle, so don't feel pressured to donate more than you're comfortable with!
I can definitely test it out if that seems best. I guess it wouldn't spoil the game for anyone. I started work on the artwork for the raffle today. :)
Quote from: VestCunt on 07/09/2012, 06:22 PMDonation sent!
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 07/09/2012, 04:00 AMexcept the rau-30 is all dumb and Beemler is fixing it.
Did you buy the one I sold to Nat?
no mine is CIBLER FROM JAPAPM
Donation sent!
I would send a donation if I could afford it at the moment. I have to save my $$ for VGS and the Chicago game stores. Once I get back I'll look into it. :)
Quote from: BlueBMW on 07/09/2012, 06:51 PMDonation sent. If you guys need more let me know.
Quote from: VestCunt on 07/09/2012, 06:22 PMDid you buy the one I sold to Nat?
I did, but unfortunately I have not received any of the things I bought from nat. :(
Yikes! So he's
really MIA.
Thanks so much, guys! We've now just broke the halfway point for covering the costs of the check disc! Great work!
Quote from: Mathius on 07/09/2012, 08:24 PMI would send a donation if I could afford it at the moment. I have to save my $$ for VGS and the Chicago game stores. Once I get back I'll look into it. :)
No sweat Mat, we're well aware of your wholehearted support :) .
Quote from: guest on 07/09/2012, 08:28 PMQuote from: BlueBMW on 07/09/2012, 06:51 PMDonation sent. If you guys need more let me know.
Quote from: guest on 07/09/2012, 06:22 PMDid you buy the one I sold to Nat?
I did, but unfortunately I have not received any of the things I bought from nat. :(
Yikes! So he's really MIA.
I hope he is okay. I am sure Aaron would have said something if there was some kind of emergency involving nat.
Sorry for the off topic post.
Quote from: Keranu on 07/09/2012, 08:33 PMThanks so much, guys! We've now just broke the halfway point for covering the costs of the check disc! Great work!
Quote from: Mathius on 07/09/2012, 08:24 PMI would send a donation if I could afford it at the moment. I have to save my $$ for VGS and the Chicago game stores. Once I get back I'll look into it. :)
No sweat Mat, we're well aware of your wholehearted support :) .
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Quote from: Keranu on 07/09/2012, 05:59 PMThe check disc order has been made!
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And with that said, I will now take donations for the raffle! My Pay Pal ID is keelan_mckenna@yahoo.com, just make sure to indicate it's a donation in the comment box. Any donation amount will qualify for the raffle, so don't feel pressured to donate more than you're comfortable with!
Donation sent!
Received and entered into raffle. Thank you!!
Quote from: guest on 07/09/2012, 08:28 PMYikes! So he's really MIA.
He contacted me several months ago (after I had already waited some three or four months for the stuff) and explained why he was not around. I'd say he's ok, but who knows when he might decide to come back around here.
It was my idea, so I definitely had to get in on it.
Donation sent!
P.S. - I also offer to donate my penis to any women that need it, for the good of MSR.
what's the donation for exactly? ;p
Donation sent! :)
Quote from: PikachuWarrior on 07/10/2012, 02:48 AMwhat's the donation for exactly? ;p
Reading is your friend.
So it's a donation to test the "test version" ? On top of the original cost of $39.99 (if one chooses to) ?
Quote from: PikachuWarrior on 07/10/2012, 04:57 PMSo it's a donation to test the "test version" ? On top of the original cost of $39.99 (if one chooses to) ?
It was never asked by FU for the extra contributions. These donations are voluntarily submitted by guys looking to help out.
So if I wanted to help out testing that version, I wouldn't be able to without donating? Just seeing, money's tight over here.
Quote from: PikachuWarrior on 07/10/2012, 05:22 PMSo if I wanted to help out testing that version, I wouldn't be able to without donating? Just seeing, money's tight over here.
The donations are to raise funds for the test-disc master from the pressing house. Upon donating, you are entered into a raffle.
The winner of the raffle gets the disc.
Oh okay, I thought the test disc was already made. Makes sense. Sorry for the confusion!
Ya, what they said. ^
Thanks to all your generous donations, we've covered the cost for the check disc (in under 24 hours, amazing)! The Turbo/PCE community has to be the most loyal, supportive, and downright coolest out there in the retro gaming scene!
There are currently 10 users entered into the raffle. Should I keep the raffle going until the disc arrives?
Totally up to you man. :)
Quote from: Keranu on 07/10/2012, 06:51 PMYa, what they said. ^
Thanks to all your generous donations, we've covered the cost for the check disc (in under 24 hours, amazing)! The Turbo/PCE community has to be the most loyal, supportive, and downright coolest out there in the retro gaming scene!
There are currently 10 users entered into the raffle. Should I keep the raffle going until the disc arrives?
I want a shot at it! I already have the MSR and Jungle Bros. MGC discs. I need the complete set. :P
I'll keep it going longer for 'ya, want to hear other people's opinions for the raffle deadline.
Quote from: Keranu on 07/10/2012, 11:16 PMI'll keep it going longer for 'ya, want to hear other people's opinions for the raffle deadline.
I was only being half serious. Whatever the majority decides then that will be fine by me. :)
donation sent, i know you already covered you costs, but every artist needs some drinking money ;) or at least some money for a future project.. hoping your chcek disk works!!
Donation sent
Thanks everyone for helping with this. :) You guys are the best. :)
No THANK YOU Rover for NOT being impossibly emo during these roadblocks...
(To paraphrase) "I'm DONE! NEVER AGAIN! *TEARS* *Slams Door*" - Rover
:P
Quote from: Keranu on 07/10/2012, 11:16 PMI'll keep it going longer for 'ya, want to hear other people's opinions for the raffle deadline.
Could the additional donations be put toward any other expenses/bonus materials/advertising? If so, keep it open. If not, wind her down before it turns into a lottery.
Thanks to everyone who has recently donated!
Quote from: guest on 07/11/2012, 01:02 PMQuote from: Keranu on 07/10/2012, 11:16 PMI'll keep it going longer for 'ya, want to hear other people's opinions for the raffle deadline.
Could the additional donations be put toward any other expenses/bonus materials/advertising? If so, keep it open. If not, wind her down before it turns into a lottery.
Yeah I don't want this to get too big either and keep receiving money we no longer need. We might still have some pre-order bonus material to cover, other than that we don't have anything that needs funding at the moment.
OK tell you what, I have 13 people entered into the raffle currently. I'll accept two more contestants into the raffle + Mathius, since I know he wants in on this so bad. Unless you guys think there should be more, then I'll extend it.
Please keep the donations small at this point, even 1 cent will qualify for the raffle!
QuoteI'll accept two more contestants into the raffle + Mathius...
QuotePlease keep the donations small at this point, even 1 cent will qualify for the raffle!
Leave the raffle open until you have the disc, and it's been checked. Once you are clear for pressing, then raffle the disc off. I would have a minimum contribution, with # of entries you get based on multiples of that amount, so no one feels short-changed.
Take all the donations you can get, in case Rover changes his mind and decides to get Jungle Bros. pressed.
Or, use the extra money to fund some other projects here. (We really need cd trays for the AbCards).
I like that idea Old Man.
Yeah! CD TRAYS.
+1 on OldMan's suggestion. Screw the 1 cent donations just to enter the raffle - either really try to help or just be quiet.
Quote from: TheOldMan on 07/11/2012, 02:24 PMTake all the donations you can get, in case Rover changes his mind and decides to get Jungle Bros. pressed.
He's not planning on getting it pressed? That's a shame! Kickstarter!
Quote from: guest on 07/11/2012, 04:38 PMQuote from: TheOldMan on 07/11/2012, 02:24 PMTake all the donations you can get, in case Rover changes his mind and decides to get Jungle Bros. pressed.
He's not planning on getting it pressed? That's a shame! Kickstarter!
I concur.
Old Man has a tendency to make sense.
Am I too late for the raffle?
Quote from: Keranu on 07/11/2012, 02:05 PMOK tell you what, I have 13 people entered into the raffle currently. I'll accept two more contestants into the raffle + Mathius, since I know he wants in on this so bad. Unless you guys think there should be more, then I'll extend it.
Please keep the donations small at this point, even 1 cent will qualify for the raffle!
Don't feel right being entered without donating. Here is a Lincoln. :)
Thanks, Mat! You could've waited to donate, I was gonna take your word for it ;) .
Quote from: TheOldMan on 07/11/2012, 02:24 PMQuoteI'll accept two more contestants into the raffle + Mathius...
QuotePlease keep the donations small at this point, even 1 cent will qualify for the raffle!
Leave the raffle open until you have the disc, and it's been checked. Once you are clear for pressing, then raffle the disc off. I would have a minimum contribution, with # of entries you get based on multiples of that amount, so no one feels short-changed.
Take all the donations you can get, in case Rover changes his mind and decides to get Jungle Bros. pressed.
Or, use the extra money to fund some other projects here. (We really need cd trays for the AbCards).
I'd love to send the extra money to fund your CD trays. What exactly do you mean by "with # of entries you get based on multiples by that amount"?
Currently up to $211 in funds!
QuoteHe's not planning on getting it pressed? That's a shame!
My understanding was he was planning on going AbCard with Jungle Bros., once we get it all straightened out.
He has said he would never do another RPG, though. I honestly don't know about another CD release.
QuoteWhat exactly do you mean by "with # of entries you get based on multiples by that amount"?
Let's assume the minimum donation is $5. So, if you donate $5, you get 1 entry. Donate $10, get 2 entries. And so on. That allows the people who really, really want to have it to get more chances.
(Though I would also set a maximum to the number of entries you can get, to keep someone from trying to 'buy' the raffle. I would also have any donation guarantee at least 1 entry, so no one feels left out. )
QuoteCurrently up to $211 in funds!
Good. That's part ways to a second check disc, if the first one is screwed <crosses fingers>
Or some money towards cd trays, if things work out right....But you would have to discuss that with the HuCard case guy. (I can't remember how he spells his name. is it seymore_onion? )
And just to be totally honest, keep in mind Aetherbutt has an interest in seeing all of these things done. Once MSR is pressed, Pyramid Plunder won't be far behind. Any profits from that will probably be plowed into geting the final AbCards working. Once that happens, we're gonna be looking at getting trays and slip covers for them. So everyone knows, it's not just because we're nice guys.
We're just too broke to do it all ourselves.. <sigh>
Quote from: TheOldMan on 07/11/2012, 08:29 PMMy understanding was he was planning on going AbCard with Jungle Bros., once we get it all straightened out.
No... I said it would have been better on card; it's still gonna be on CD, we just have to make some adjustments.
Quote from: TheOldMan on 07/11/2012, 08:29 PMLet's assume the minimum donation is $5. So, if you donate $5, you get 1 entry. Donate $10, get 2 entries. And so on. That allows the people who really, really want to have it to get more chances.
(Though I would also set a maximum to the number of entries you can get, to keep someone from trying to 'buy' the raffle. I would also have any donation guarantee at least 1 entry, so no one feels left out. )
That sounds good, how about $5 minimum (from here on out) with a max of 5 entries per person? Currently 14 people in the raffle... maybe a max of 30 contestants.
Quote from: OldRover on 07/11/2012, 10:37 PMQuote from: TheOldMan on 07/11/2012, 08:29 PMMy understanding was he was planning on going AbCard with Jungle Bros., once we get it all straightened out.
No... I said it would have been better on card; it's still gonna be on CD, we just have to make some adjustments.
Gah, thank goodness! I was about to have a heart attack, over 1 1/2 years of working on the soundtrack, down the drain! 8-[
Its so nice to see the pce homebrew scene working together. Do the homebrewers for other systems behave so cooperatively with each other
Quote from: BlueBMW on 07/12/2012, 01:13 AMIts so nice to see the pce homebrew scene working together. Do the homebrewers for other systems behave so cooperatively with each other
Not all of the Genesis developers/publishers, that's for sure. :P
UPDATE: Hmmmmmmm... still trying to demystify this here "raffle"...
Hey, I just got back from Maine, but I see "raffle" and before I read to educate myself I need you to erase someone else's name and add mine to the list.
Thank you, Old Rover. :pcds:
Quote from: CrackTiger on 07/12/2012, 01:34 AMQuote from: BlueBMW on 07/12/2012, 01:13 AMIts so nice to see the pce homebrew scene working together. Do the homebrewers for other systems behave so cooperatively with each other
Not all of the Genesis developers/publishers, that's for sure. :P
MAGICAL WATERMELONS GOGOGOGOGOOGO EFHRGITUAHTHTHTHHTATH
Are you talking about Pier Solar? :D
So, let me get this straight...
1. There was a fundraiser for the Check Disc.
2. Those who donated to the fund are eligible to win Check Disc.
3. CrackTiger volunteered to donate art for minimum pledges of $________.
4. CrackTiger will be sending me artwork.
...is that the gist of it?
Thanks in advance :pcds:
Correctamundo, Steve!
In other news, I emailed Brian asking how the check disc was coming along and he said he would get back to me today. No word yet, we'll see how it goes tomorrow.
<- is sending some luck to you guys. (and a donation.)
Thanks, Henry! That makes you contestant #15!
You'd think that if a company is going to charge such a ridiculous price for a test disc, that they'd at least provide great service and communication with it.
Everytime a new message pops up in this thread, I think that "MSR is finished!" actually being true :P
Quote from: PikachuWarrior on 07/18/2012, 03:19 PMEverytime a new message pops up in this thread, I think that "MSR is finished!" actually being true :P
Psych! :P
Quote from: PikachuWarrior on 07/18/2012, 03:19 PMEverytime a new message pops up in this thread, I think that "MSR is finished!" actually being true :P
I got a feeling that within a short amount of time, that message will actally occur!
Quote from: TheClash603 on 07/18/2012, 04:24 PMQuote from: PikachuWarrior on 07/18/2012, 03:19 PMEverytime a new message pops up in this thread, I think that "MSR is finished!" actually being true :P
I got a feeling that within a short amount of time, that message will actally occur!
Going by what the guy said, I'm assuming that the disc has already been made and sent and Keranu will receive it this week. He has always been poor at maintaining communication, probably because there isn't usually much back and forth with customers and they have already been paid, so this is likely the lowest priority for them. So the lack of a response isn't surprising, but I'm hoping that the original estimate of a quick turn around comes true.
Oh. My. GOD! You guys aren't going to believe this one, or maybe some of you will.
So I finally get a response from Brian today. Good news! He's supplied a UPS tracking number and it's set to arrive at my house when I got home from work!
Sure enough, I get home and there's a package sent to "Frozen Utopia" sitting on the table. Woo boy, I'm excited! Just a few test runs and we can finally get this baby mass produced!
I rush to pop the disc into my Turbo Duo. It says "Project: Mysterious" on the see-through case and CD face; our beloved project finally on a professional medium! The system is turned on, the screen demands for the RUN button to be pressed. Controller in hand, my thumbs waste no time to boot the game up.
The vanish of the System Card screen is accompanied by a familiar BUZZZT! sound. I recognized this sound right away, which is discussed many pages back in this very thread. "Darn, oh well. Guess that's unavoidable, I can live with it," I assure myself. The CD continues to load...
And then comes the horror! Horrible, horrid, horror! Rather than the Frozen Utopia logo appearing as it's supposed to, I get a surprise greeting from AETHERBYTE STUDIOS!
That's right, those jackasses sent me INSANITY instead of OUR OWN game!
At first I laughed and said "You HAVE to be kidding me!" But then the terrible reality sunk into my mind. Not only will this delay our cursed game even further, but this means Nationwide may yet again run into the same stamper problem when we ask for a new check disc, leaving the "it won't play in our PC" cycle to repeat.
But in the hopes that they are able to replicate a check disc for Mysterious Song, and not Insanity, I refuse to pay them any further dollars for their own fuck up.
I wish this was a sick practical joke. I'll take some pictures later.
For Fuck Sake they are useless cunts!! ( is that over the top? ) :)
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Unbelievable.
What. The. Fuck.
What the fucking fuck on a fucking fuckstick fucking full of fucking fuckers?
QuoteThat's right, those jackasses sent me INSANITY instead of OUR OWN game!
Wow! That's a lot of money for insanity. I bet arkhan would have given it to you cheaper :)
Keep after them. They have to be running out of ways to screw up :/
Nationwide Disc is NEVER getting our business again.
Oh well, we'll get there. I'm sure they won't charge you again to correct their mistake.
Please send the Insanity check disc to me. I have an Atherbyte-to-Frozen-Utopia SCD converter I can test it with.
What's the buzz sound issue?
As far as the name-calling, I understand the frustration, but it seems both parties have made errors and two pages of outrage every time there's a holdup doesn't put anyone in a good mindset when the project calls for patience, troubleshooting, and clear communication.
There should be no troubleshooting to begin with. You put the disc in, copy it, cut the stamper, sent it to the replicator. Should be braindeadfuckingsimple.
Quote from: guest on 07/18/2012, 08:21 PMWhat's the buzz sound issue?
One of the initial problems Nationwide had with our masters was a short buzz sound that occurred from playing the data track in a CD player. Insanity has a very similar buzz sound when booted up, though coincidentally it had nothing to do with the data track.
Quote from: vestcuntAs far as the name-calling, I understand the frustration, but it seems both parties have made errors and two pages of outrage every time there's a holdup doesn't put anyone in a good mindset when the project calls for patience, troubleshooting, and clear communication.
I've always been friendly and patient with Brian in our communication and will continue to do so. But this latest incident is a big, goofy fuck up on their part.
How do they stamp the wrong game? O_o
QuoteHow do they stamp the wrong game? O_o
Let's all be thankful that it was the check-disc they screwed up.
I can picture them sending you 500 copies of insanity instead of MSR, in the MSR packaging. <sigh>
QuoteNationwide Disc is NEVER getting our business again.
So far, they're the only ones who can make a pce-cd sucessfully, Rover. We may not like it, but we have to deal with it until we find another place that will even try.
QuoteThere should be no troubleshooting to begin with. You put the disc in, copy it, cut the stamper, sent it to the replicator. Should be braindeadfuckingsimple.
Not that simple, Rover. The copier, stamper and replicator -all- run checks to make sure things meet cd standards. They have to, or the disc -can't- be labeled a cd, of any kind.
Then there are various problems with the disc the master is made on. Sometimes there are pin-holes in the top layer, some times the dye is uneven, etc, etc. Any one of those, at the speed the presser runs, can totally ruin a complete batch of cd's. And you know Nationwide isn't gonna take that loss...
Things we often think of as 'should be simple' just aren't in real life.
This is laughably fucking ridiculous. It's gotten to the point of being beyond absurd now. My God...
Well, this is as big a confirmation as anything so far, that the main problem all along really is the incompetence of Nationwidedisc and likely not the unique format. Chances are the last batch of masters are perfectly replicable by any outfit with at least half a brain.
After a blunder this disastrous, I think that it would be fair to demand a full refund if they are never successful in replicating a master, as they have proven once and for all that their judgement cannot be trusted.
QuoteLet's all be thankful that it was the check-disc they screwed up.
I can picture them sending you 500 copies of insanity instead of MSR, in the MSR packaging. <sigh>
That's the problem though. If they want a disclaimer signed based on a tested disc and they go ahead and instead manufacture some other random disc, this could actually happen.
I'm not even the least bit surprised at all these issues going on. To be honest, I mean Smartworks themselves had stated they had no ability to, or even any interest in pressing this kind of stuff anymore as is, so seeing so many issues happen now, well, I just expected it. This latest fuck up though, pretty lame regardless. Just goes to show you that a already difficult task being handled by what seems to be incompetent people at a pressing facility, who have no actual means to test the product on real hardware anyway before shipping, is going to be near impossible to get finished successfully.
Quote from: TheOldMan on 07/18/2012, 09:06 PMSo far, they're the only ones who can make a pce-cd sucessfully, Rover. We may not like it, but we have to deal with it until we find another place that will even try.
They're just the only ones who have actually
done it in recent times... but that doesn't mean that no one else can. I already have another company picked out for the next production, and they already know that I bring stuff that's non-standard... they just cost about twice as much.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 07/18/2012, 09:22 PMQuote from: TheOldMan on 07/18/2012, 09:06 PMSo far, they're the only ones who can make a pce-cd sucessfully, Rover. We may not like it, but we have to deal with it until we find another place that will even try.
They're just the only ones who have actually done it in recent times... but that doesn't mean that no one else can. I already have another company picked out for the next production, and they already know that I bring stuff that's non-standard... they just cost about twice as much.
If they can at least do the check disc
first,
before printing anything and only charge a premium for
that if it doesn't work... then the extra cost would be definitely be worthwhile in the end.
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 07/18/2012, 09:17 PMJust goes to show you that a already difficult task being handled by what seems to be incompetent people at a pressing facility, who have no actual means to test the product on real hardware anyway before shipping, is going to be near impossible to get finished successfully.
One thing that bothers me about this mishap is they could've at least tested the audio tracks to see if they match the master's. Then again, we have pressured them before that this isn't supposed to be treated as a audio CD. Still, a doofus mistake to stamp the wrong game, lol.
I'll email Brian now and let him know what's going on. My main concern right now is if they will still run into stamper errors with the Mysterious Song masters. I hope they've learned more from project Insanity other than they can replicate that game and not ours.
Quote from: guest on 07/18/2012, 07:38 PM(https://web.archive.org/web/20100626062108im_/http://serve.mysmiley.net/confused/confused0054.gif)
Unbelievable.
What he said
I just told my wife. She said "wow, where are these people located?" I said Texas. She said "And why are they retarded?" :lol:
I am just glad I donated a few bucks for the most expensive copy of Insanity ever! I just hope Arhkan signs a copy. =)
Quote from: Duo_R on 07/19/2012, 01:33 AMI am just glad I donated a few bucks for the most expensive copy of Insanity ever! I just hope Arhkan signs a copy. =)
funny.
holy fucknuts.
Just insane....Completely insane... You guys HAVE to be pulling your hair out by now.
*bangs head on the wall*
Quote from: Bernie on 07/19/2012, 07:12 AMJust insane....Completely insane... You guys HAVE to be pulling your hair out by now.
Yes. It's Insanity!
lol!
So does the runner-up in the raffle get this as a prize? ;)
Well this blows, but I'm sure they should be able to get this cleared up and send you the right check disc. Just as long as they enjoy your business as a customer.
:x
Man, this blows goats. Say what you will about their competence, but at least they're trying; most companies would have given up long ago and said they couldn't do it.
I still chalk this all up to some kind of communication hurrrrdururrr going on at that place.
Poor communication can screw up even the best operations. If just ONE goober there gets the wrong idea, it can result in bad things.
Like Mysterious Insanity.
Quote from: guest on 08/18/2011, 03:48 PMDon't get me wrong, it's awesome that another big step has been made toward completion, but why use the word "finished" when there's still testing to do, bugs to fix, one script to add, art to finalize, and discs to press? A natural disaster, family emergency, frozen paypal account, computer crash, mix up at the replicator, or any number of things (knock on wood x5) could still delay things quite a bit and cause another pre-order debacle.
Vestcunt is the clairvoyant!!!
Wow, it's hard to believe we're nearing the 1 year anniversary of this thread. That's a little bit funny and a lot sad at the same time. I really appreciate all of the effort you guys are putting into getting this game out.
I assume this is a quick fix. New CD comes by the end of next week, we are all playing in a month-ish.
Stay positive :)
BTW - If it had to be broken, it is better it be an error in game than an error of actual MSR disc.
And now Ark sues them for jillions of zenny for breach of contract and copyright infringement.
Quote from: NecroPhile on 07/19/2012, 01:04 PMAnd now Ark sues them for jillions of zenny for breach of contract and copyright infringement.
I wonder if I could do that... lol
The thought actually crossed my mind.
Step 1) Sue them
Step 2) LOL MONEY
Step 3) Buy my own pressing equipment
Step 4) Super AbCade CD-ROMS
Is there any interest in throwing in the "Myseterious Insanity" check disc along with the raffle as a second place prize? :P
Quote from: Keranu on 07/19/2012, 01:12 PMIs there any interest in throwing in the "Myseterious Insanity" check disc along with the raffle as a second place prize? :P
If I win teh rafuru of it, I'd be slappin that bitch into a case next to the last remaining CCAG copy, and last remaining un-cut insanity package artwork
lol
Quote from: Keranu on 07/19/2012, 01:12 PMIs there any interest in throwing in the "Myseterious Insanity" check disc along with the raffle as a second place prize? :P
Ah, just send it to RV and get it over with.
BIG MONEY.
BIG MONEY.
CMON BIG MONEY.
NO WHAMMIES!
As would ZZ Top say : "I'm bad, I'm Nationwide". That would sound great in a commercial :p
Any response from the presser on why they sent you the entirely wrong project?
Just noticed the thread title change.... not sure if I should laugh or cry.
Quote from: guest on 07/21/2012, 11:59 AMAny response from the presser on why they sent you the entirely wrong project?
Nope :( . I was hoping to at least get a response by the end of Friday, but nothing. Even a "I'll be looking into it" notification would've been assuring.
Quote from: BlueBMW on 07/21/2012, 12:03 PMJust noticed the thread title change.... not sure if I should laugh or cry.
damn yes :(
lol@ keranus sig.
(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/hany_in_the_sky.png) Hany poignantly mutters, "We will all laugh at this when we hold MSR in our hands. Yay! Then we will hop into our hovercars and race around the rings of Saturn."
I have dibs on a November release!
Quote from: PikachuWarrior on 07/22/2012, 04:41 PMI have dibs on a November in 21st. century release!
(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/hany_in_the_sky.png) Hany, almost inaudibly, squeaks, "Fixed that for you."
Quote from: BlueBMW on 07/21/2012, 12:03 PMJust noticed the thread title change.... not sure if I should laugh or cry.
I went with tears.
It goes without saying, but a lack of a response regarding this issue is pretty unprofessional on their part. I know it must be frustrating on their side as well, but it's just something they have to make right.
Also, just a thought but would it help if they had a Duo on hand to test the disc with? Might not be worth it at this stage but for future projects perhaps lending the pressing plant a system for testing purposes would save a lot of headaches.
I wouldn't send my toys to random strangers.
Fuck that.
My guess is they are like "oh shit. now what" and are running around trying to figure out how to respond to such a fuck up.
I still wonder what would happen if I emailed them asking to explain why MY copyright goods were pressed and sent to someone else, lol.
Quote from: guest on 07/23/2012, 12:41 PMI wouldn't send my toys to random strangers.
Fuck that.
My guess is they are like "oh shit. now what" and are running around trying to figure out how to respond to such a fuck up.
I still wonder what would happen if I emailed them asking to explain why MY copyright goods were pressed and sent to someone else, lol.
I'm optimistic this game gets done this year.
However if it gets to the point where they are totally unhelpful you should do this just for giggles and to give them a headache.
We can already see that their customer service is lacking severely
Agreed! I am hoping MSR does NOT get grouped in with Diablo III and Duke Nukem Forever...
Are PC Engine CDs completely non-standard/out of spec, or are they simply an antiquated or out of date standard?
The data track is not ISO-9660 compliant... that is likely the issue.
Quote from: OldRover on 07/23/2012, 07:31 PMThe data track is not ISO-9660 compliant... that is likely the issue.
That's because its ISO-OBEY compliant :twisted:
Quote from: BlueBMW on 07/23/2012, 07:49 PMQuote from: OldRover on 07/23/2012, 07:31 PMThe data track is not ISO-9660 compliant... that is likely the issue.
That's because its ISO-OBEY compliant :twisted:
...which means that their disc readers are probably blowing up in a shower of lights and sound! :P
QuoteAre PC Engine CDs completely non-standard/out of spec, or are they simply an antiquated or out of date standard?
Possibly, it's an out-of-date standard, although from my researches, they meet the iso standards (at least, ecma-119, as of sept 1998).
The real problem, however, is the same one that prevents you from playing turbo cds in a pc cd player: Micro$oft decided that data cds must have the data track as track 1 on a cd. Note that that is -not- in the standard. It's something imposed by micro$oft in their cd drivers, and adopted as a de-facto standard for cds.
The net result of this is that most places refuse to burn a cd-rom where the data track is not track 1, even though they may be iso compliant. The drivers on the pc's they use to run the pressing machines just cannot handle those cd's.
QuoteThe data track is not ISO-9660 compliant... that is likely the issue
No. The issue, if there actually is one, is that a data track requires specific length gaps before and after it. It -may- also be a requirement the the audio tracks be seperated by 2 sec gaps, though I have not been able to verify that. Normal cds do -not- have this requirement, so I can't see why a data cd would. But it might be a problem.
With that said, there should be no reason they can't make a bit-for-bit copy of the master. If the cd-r master boots on a turbo/duo, a bit-for-bit copy should boot.
However, it appears they can't/won't make a bit-for-bit copy for some unknown reason. :(
I do know that they try to verify the data, so they are more than likely looking for CDFS compliance. That's been one of their gripes from the start... that the data track is "full of errors", even though it's always been just fine. But since we can't ever get any more details from these boneheads, we can't confirm jack shit.
I'd send another email requesting un update at this point. Of all the issues that have come up, this one is completely their fault and if they don't have answers for everything (like was that successful copy from a master of Insanity or MS?), they should at least give an update of some sort, since they charged $200+ for this.
I still think they are scrambling around. Someone likely hit the "Oh shit, Oh shit" button because they just pressed the wrong disc.
Has anyone called them???
Still no email since I sent them the bad news last Thursday. I'll shoot them a reminder soon, I'm guessing their scientists are still trying to figure out what's wrong.
I'm just throwing this out there, but I think you guys need to be more assertive on this. Thursday is now pushing four entire business days with no response. For a fuck up of this magnitude, that's unacceptable. And like others have said: stop with the emailing. You need to have these guys on the horn every day until they get their shit together. Or, simply, demand a refund.
Keranu, I've met you, so I know what a nice guy you are. But it's time to bring out the beast!
Yeah, its baffling that you wouldn't be talking on the phone about this. It's also kind of crazy that they "can't test" the game because they don't have the hardware. Just loan the guys a Duo or at least a copy of Magic Engine. They are idiots, certainly, but you need to understand that you are putting them in a hard situation when you ask them to print a disc in an obsolete format that their software (and everyone else's) doesnt support, they've never heard of, have no specs for, and can't even test. They are flying blind and certainly regret taking on this PITA project at least as much as you regret sending it to them.
I have their number right here. I will sic my wife on them tomorrow... she has a knack for getting shit like this done. The company doesn't like dealing with PR though, so I dunno how well it's gonna work out.
I wish we could have direct contact with their technicians, unfortunately we're stuck with customer service to serve as a messenger between our teams. We'll try calling them more frequently, though it's still going to take Brian time to get back to us.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 07/24/2012, 07:46 PMYeah, its baffling that you wouldn't be talking on the phone about this. It's also kind of crazy that they "can't test" the game because they don't have the hardware. Just loan the guys a Duo or at least a copy of Magic Engine. They are idiots, certainly, but you need to understand that you are putting them in a hard situation when you ask them to print a disc in an obsolete format that their software (and everyone else's) doesnt support, they've never heard of, have no specs for, and can't even test. They are flying blind and certainly regret taking on this PITA project at least as much as you regret sending it to them.
I thought about the idea of getting them to use an emulator, but I think it would be too much for them to figure out, nor would they be interested in fiddling around with unfamiliar hardware from three decades ago. But this is what the checkdisc is for anyways so we can make sure everything's working properly before approving a batch of 500 discs.
Emailing them with these huge issues won't get anything done. Like others have said, actively calling them--speaking to an actual person--is the only way to go. Are we all this afraid of verbal communication here? I mean really.
Hopefully, if we send them a Duo to test the game, they don't send us a Genesis back. :wink:
If they need hardware to test on, let me know and i'll send them a duo-r.
Quote from: PikachuWarrior on 07/24/2012, 10:07 PMEmailing them with these huge issues won't get anything done. Like others have said, actively calling them--speaking to an actual person--is the only way to go. Are we all this afraid of verbal communication here? I mean really.
They have communicated verbally several times. With a mess up this bad they should have been the ones calling.
Quote from: guest on 07/24/2012, 10:16 PMHopefully, if we send them a Duo to test the game, they don't send us a Genesis back. :wink:
No, we'll probably get an N-Gage....if we're lucky! :D
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 07/25/2012, 12:48 AMQuote from: guest on 07/24/2012, 10:16 PMHopefully, if we send them a Duo to test the game, they don't send us a Genesis back. :wink:
No, we'll probably get an N-Gage....if we're lucky! :D
This is so true it is bringing tears to my eyes. (https://junk.tg-16.com/images/pcgsad.png)
I have given my wife all the relevant details. She will be calling them shortly and we will get this shit resolved.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 07/25/2012, 01:39 PMI have given my wife all the relevant details. She will be calling them shortly and we will get this shit resolved.
Too many chefs. Involving more people will confuse them, allow them to exploit the situation by telling different people different things, or make FU look disorganized. They need to know that the person they've been talking to - Keranu - has authority and will be on their ass until this is sorted out.
Keranu does not have the time, nor the technical expertise, to fully deal with this. My wife has both.
My wife was able to bypass their trained monkeys in customer service and go straight to the techs, who all had a good laugh at some of the bullshit Brian has told Keranu. A new stamper will be produced on Friday, and the check disc will be sent out in about a week. Keranu should have it sometime in early August. They cited one minor index issue still remains with the existing master, and I'm going to try to get more specific details on that so it can be ironed out in case... plus, it may help to refine TheOldMan's cuesheet utility.
Quote from: The Old Rover on 07/25/2012, 05:34 PMMy wife was able to bypass their trained monkeys in customer service and go straight to the techs, who all had a good laugh at some of the bullshit Brian has told Keranu. A new stamper will be produced on Friday, and the check disc will be sent out in about a week. Keranu should have it sometime in early August. They cited one minor index issue still remains with the existing master, and I'm going to try to get more specific details on that so it can be ironed out in case... plus, it may help to refine TheOldMan's cuesheet utility.
Keep in mind, most of what Brian says is parroted back from testers and tech people... ,
this is good news though. They say anything interesting about repressing the wrong game? :)
Quote from: OldRover on 07/25/2012, 05:34 PMMy wife was able to bypass their trained monkeys in customer service and go straight to the techs, who all had a good laugh at some of the bullshit Brian has told Keranu. A new stamper will be produced on Friday, and the check disc will be sent out in about a week. Keranu should have it sometime in early August. They cited one minor index issue still remains with the existing master, and I'm going to try to get more specific details on that so it can be ironed out in case... plus, it may help to refine TheOldMan's cuesheet utility.
Wow I don't know how your wife was able to talk to the tech team, Brian seemed to avoid the idea completely whenever I asked if I could get in touch with them. Must be that spicy Latin blood in your wife's DNA! Good thing she called now because I'm going to be out of town this week and wouldn't be able to call on Friday.
I'm still confused as to why they pressed Insanity to a check disc...
She doesn't fuck around. Elsie is the kind of woman you just don't say no to when it comes to stuff like this... her particular brand of assertive attitude will crush those of weak minds and she will get the results we need. That's why I had her do it, rather than me... I would have been coarse and demanding, which doesn't always translate into favorable results.
In fact, it was Brian himself who gave her the contact information for the tech team... he wanted to get her off the phone as quickly as possible. :lol:
Honey does often work better than vinegar, but some people have this way of introducing a little hot sauce into the honey so that you get the best of both.
That's reassuring!
Wooo! This is good news! Good thing they didn't ask for another $300 for check disc #2, lol.
They would have gotten a foot in the ass if they'd tried that...
...well ok, actually, she would have demanded a full refund and project cancellation.
QuoteThey cited one minor index issue still remains with the existing master
The cue sheet generator works in times. It doesn't do anything with the indexes. (Not that it can't, but by default it doesn't) If there's an index problem, it's most likely due to Nero and/or CDRwin.
I've been over and over this again in my head, using the iso spec sheets I found on the net. The only things I can think of that -might- cause problems are:
1) the data track not being aligned to an even second time. (ie, 00:04.23 instead of 00:05.00) I'm fairly sure we didn't do that for insanity, though....
2) The audio might need 2 sec gaps. I don't see why, as normal cd's don't, but there is no information on the net saying anything about how the audio on a data cd is set up.
Should this be the problem, I already have a fix in the generator to take care of that. And the even second alignment, too.
Personally, I think it is fine, unless there is damage to the master disc. I bet when Keranu gets the check disc, everything works. The turbo is really -very- forgiving about the disc format and indexes.
(Keep in mind, some of the later releases mixed all kinds of tracks together. With a second copy of the program at the end of the cd, in case the first copy got scratched...Guess we better not ask them to try that, though :) )
The check disc will tell all. :) And I'd like to actually get the information from the tech guys directly, so we're still gonna try to do that.
Life rules!
Women. I absolutely love them.
Quote from: soop on 07/26/2012, 05:21 AMDicks. I absolutely love them.
FIXED!!!!!
:3 lol
You love my dick?
AWESOME.
lololol
#-o
You're such a dick Arkhan.
:D
TOR, your honey rocks!
yay capitalism!
What was that about "too many chefs"? [-X
Anyways, the techies called me after I chewed little Bryan boy a new one. I don't mess around.
Quote from: Equuskia on 07/27/2012, 12:29 AMWhat was that about "too many chefs"? [-X
My apologies, Madam.
Quote from: Equuskia on 07/27/2012, 12:29 AMWhat was that about "too many chefs"? [-X
Anyways, the techies called me after I chewed little Bryan boy a new one. I don't mess around.
I shudder to think about how horrible things would have gotten if you hadn't taken care of things. :pcgs:
I love this. Lol. Now hopefully they have their shit together.
wow I missed a lot! Can't believe they sent you Insanity! But definitely glad its getting sorted out *fingers crossed*
Too bad I missed out on the donation/raffle, and esteban in Maine!? I forgot you said you were visiting, I'm still living in Wiscasset too! :(
Quote from: incrediblehark on 07/28/2012, 02:23 AMwow I missed a lot! Can't believe they sent you Insanity! But definitely glad its getting sorted out *fingers crossed*
Too bad I missed out on the donation/raffle, and esteban in Maine!? I forgot you said you were visiting, I'm still living in Wiscasset too! :(
Holy cr*p! I had coffee in Wiscasset a bunch of times, too!!!!
I biked from Pemaquid Point Lighthouse to Lake Pemaquid a bunch of times, cutting through Wiscasset (or am I thinking of some other little town?)
Regardless, I certainly had coffee in Wiscasset's "downtown" area, though.
:pcgs:
Maine is a beautiful state. I want to visit there again. Acadia park, Bar Harbor... man such nice places to visit.
Quote from: BlueBMW on 07/28/2012, 09:00 AMMaine is a beautiful state. I want to visit there again. Acadia park, Bar Harbor... man such nice places to visit.
Yup. I used to camp up near Acadia. Now, with kids, the camping needs to be a shorter
car van-ride away. Mid-Maine is the longest *barely* bearable distance from NJ.
:pcds:
Quote from: esteban on 07/28/2012, 09:18 AMQuote from: BlueBMW on 07/28/2012, 09:00 AMMaine is a beautiful state. I want to visit there again. Acadia park, Bar Harbor... man such nice places to visit.
Yup. I used to camp up near Acadia. Now, with kids, the camping needs to be a shorter car van-ride away. Mid-Maine is the longest *barely* bearable distance from NJ.
:pcds:
What about the Berkshire area in western Massachusetts? That might be a bit closer, though maybe not as nice as Maine.
Quote from: esteban on 07/28/2012, 06:49 AMRegardless, I certainly had coffee in Wiscasset's "downtown" area, though.
Hmm, was it Treats? thats the only thing close to coffee shop downtown I can think of. If so I live like a minute away, across from Red's Eats, right in all the traffic.
Quote from: incrediblehark on 07/28/2012, 12:38 PMQuote from: esteban on 07/28/2012, 06:49 AMRegardless, I certainly had coffee in Wiscasset's "downtown" area, though.
Hmm, was it Treats? thats the only thing close to coffee shop downtown I can think of. If so I live like a minute away, across from Red's Eats, right in all the traffic.
Red's Eats! I remember passing that! Is that on the "main" road that cuts through town?
I'm glad to hear that perhaps all this may finally be resolved in the near future. Talking to someone that isn't basically a PR guy certainly is the way to go. Talking through someone as a middleman is stupid when it is something technical going on.
Quote from: esteban on 07/28/2012, 01:20 PMRed's Eats! I remember passing that! Is that on the "main" road that cuts through town?
thats right!
Any more news on this?
Quote from: incrediblehark on 08/01/2012, 04:11 PMQuote from: esteban on 07/28/2012, 01:20 PMRed's Eats! I remember passing that! Is that on the "main" road that cuts through town?
thats right!
Hahhahahaha. :pcgs:
BACK ON TOPIC: Rover has informed me that the CD pressing plant is closed for the next 4-5 weeks (apparently, it is a Wiccan holiday--solstice?--sort of thing). The Mysterious Song project will resume in September.
I have still received no emails from Brian, though they should be preparing a new check disc this week.
Quote from: esteban on 08/01/2012, 05:47 PMBACK ON TOPIC: Rover has informed me that the CD pressing plant is closed for the next 4-5 weeks (apparently, it is a Wiccan holiday--solstice?--sort of thing). The Mysterious Song project will resume in September.
You lie like a rug.
For once I have FANTASTIC news!
I was surprised to see another package in my mail box today addressed to Frozen Utopia, it was the check disc! I didn't even think they had the disc ready yet, let alone shipped it!
I booted it up and played it and ta-da! It says Frozen Utopia on the boot up! This is our game alright. I messed around with it, testing all the languages and game modes and everything seems to work fine so far. Also, I must add, that the game looks amazing on the real set up, even with my crappy TV! I'll play around with it some more and listen through all the redbook before I send it to CrackTiger for further testing.
Will also be doing the raffle soon!
Hoily fucking shit!!!! Hell YES!!!!!
Yay! How exciting--it must have been wonderful to discover such an unexpected surprise in your mailbox :)
I'm not surprised. If that check disc wasn't in your hands today like I was told, they would have gotten another lovely phone call tomorrow. They are safe....for now...
Finally.
Only took 1.21 jiggayears to hear back.
:dance: :dance: :dance: :dance: :dance:
Just for future reference....
Can you rip the check disc, and compare it against the iso used to make the master?
I'd like to know if there are -any- differences....
:dance: :dance: :dance:
I knew it would get done.
My vagina has moistened. Now insert completed MSR!
You have a "man-gina"
:shock: :shock: :shock:
I just wanted to personally thank Rover's wife.
You are awesomesauce!
WOW. MSR made it onto a real CD. Fuck yeah. Barring any errors on Black Tiger's units, TG-CD gaming lives in 2012.
I doubt there will be any more issues. :)
Guess this means we *might* see this in our mailboxes by end of August to early/mid September? Great news regardless. Nice to see this make it to the next step.
Please please no goochers...
(http://images5.fanpop.com/image/photos/25200000/stand-by-me-goucher-stand-by-me-25230838-800-588.jpg)
Quote from: Bernie on 08/02/2012, 01:03 AMI doubt there will be any more issues. :)
I don't want to jinx it, but, given their track record, I wouldn't be surprised if they mess up the artwork and packaging. A lot of replicators have cut corners and quality control to offer stupid indy bands a rock-bottom price for their 1,000 CD's that will never be sold.
I've pressed music CDs with two different replicators in MN. One shop stapled the booklets crooked, the other printed a two-panel insert the same on each side. Both had to open all of the CDs, reprint the art, and repack everything. Such mishaps turn out fine in the end, but we should continue to expect delays.
also mercury is retrograde and that always sucks.
Quote from: guest on 08/01/2012, 06:36 PMQuote from: esteban on 08/01/2012, 05:47 PMBACK ON TOPIC: Rover has informed me that the CD pressing plant is closed for the next 4-5 weeks (apparently, it is a Wiccan holiday--solstice?--sort of thing). The Mysterious Song project will resume in September.
You lie like a rug.
Like I said, Mysterious Song in September. :pcgs:
Quote from: Duo_R on 08/01/2012, 10:28 PMYou have a "man-gina"
:shock: :shock: :shock:
AHM OLD GREG!
http://youtu.be/sB3LRCs0IHM&t=12m15s
You ever drink Baileys from a shoe?
Quote from: soop on 08/02/2012, 05:23 AMQuote from: Duo_R on 08/01/2012, 10:28 PMYou have a "man-gina"
:shock: :shock: :shock:
AHM OLD GREG!
http://youtu.be/sB3LRCs0IHM&t=12m15s
You ever drink Baileys from a shoe?
That was a great show. Surreal. I should re-watch every episode because I know I must have missed one or two. I hope I missed one or two.
:pcgs:
From what I understand, the printing is finished. What was delayed was the disc itself. And if I see one pixel out of place there will be more phone calls...
Quote from: esteban on 08/02/2012, 07:09 AMThat was a great show. Surreal. I should re-watch every episode because I know I must have missed one or two. I hope I missed one or two.
:pcgs:
4 words: Noel Fielding's Luxury Comedy.
takes a while to get going, but it grows on you. The Adventures of Joey Ramone is a good sketch. Ahh Joey Ramone.
http://youtu.be/6-wkNhdnWv0
Quote from: VestCunt on 08/02/2012, 02:24 AMQuote from: Bernie on 08/02/2012, 01:03 AMI doubt there will be any more issues. :)
I don't want to jinx it, but, given their track record, I wouldn't be surprised if they mess up the artwork and packaging. A lot of replicators have cut corners and quality control to offer stupid indy bands a rock-bottom price for their 1,000 CD's that will never be sold.
I've pressed music CDs with two different replicators in MN. One shop stapled the booklets crooked, the other printed a two-panel insert the same on each side. Both had to open all of the CDs, reprint the art, and repack everything. Such mishaps turn out fine in the end, but we should continue to expect delays.
They actually lined up the artwork pretty off center with their first sort of test example mockup. Even though they have some pretty ridiculously specific templates which were a bitch to fit everything within. The final examples they gave looked good though and the images were designed with some margin for error.
Quote from: Equuskia on 08/02/2012, 07:35 AMFrom what I understand, the printing is finished. What was delayed was the disc itself. And if I see one pixel out of place there will be more phone calls...
You can expect some (~50 copies to have slight printing imperfections), but the print quality is very nice. Anyone who has Insanity could tell you that. There are a few copies I have here with a little white dot or two on the printing. It's only noticeable because the whole insert is black. It doesn't matter though. It's not like I'll ever sell out.
Also expect some jewel cases to get smashed up on the way during shipping. It's pretty unavoidable, and it's mostly UPS' fault.
Woot! Good to hear those Texans are finally getting their shit together.
This is splendid news indeed.
Quote from: DragonmasterDan on 08/02/2012, 11:38 AMThis is splendid news indeed.
This new is pleasing, but don't forget, there are many guys like you all ovah da wold.
Great, great news! I hope this wil be released before we publish the Bible PC Engine Vol 2! ;)
Great news! Looking forward to playing this.
Excellent news! This has been one roller coaster of a release, but I'm starting to get excited again! As for printing imperfections, that just makes those games MORE RARE!!! Mysterious Song Misprint VGA graded BIN $10,000
Yay! Talk about "FINALLY!" ](*,)
Hooray!
OK, I've listened to all the CD tracks on my laptop and everything sounds as it should. Since CrackTiger will be out of town for awhile soon, I've mailed the check discs to Arkhan for further compatibility testing.
They should arrive on Monday and if everything works on his hardware, I'll call Brian to approve the replication process ASAP! So with all said and done, we should still see a release within this month!
I'll be holding the raffle over the weekend! I've decided to let Arkhan keep the "Mysterious Insanity" check disc for now to prevent a future Roy Vegas finasco.
Here's some pics of the check discs:
("Mysterious Insanity")
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(The REAL Mysterious Song)
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Sweet! I love pics of shiny things.
If Mrs. Rove ever has to call Nationwide again please film it for YouTube. :)
MAn oh man... Wooohooooo
Excellent. Just sent my Turbo CD off to be fixed so that it (hopefully) will be ready for this.
"finasco" has been officially added to my vocabulary. Unfortunately, there will be many opportunties to use it. :/
Mysterious Insanity should be saved for a lawsuit, in case they ever dick the community again!
Quote from: guest on 08/03/2012, 07:04 PM"finasco" has been officially added to my vocabulary. Unfortunately, there will be many opportunties to use it. :/
Coooool, an unintentional buzz word! I knew that looked wrong when I typed it, but now that you mention it I kinda like the sound of it!
Quote from: Keranu on 08/03/2012, 07:50 PMQuote from: guest on 08/03/2012, 07:04 PM"finasco" has been officially added to my vocabulary. Unfortunately, there will be many opportunties to use it. :/
Coooool, an unintentional buzz word! I knew that looked wrong when I typed it, but now that you mention it I kinda like the sound of it!
Haha! I wondered if you meant that intentionally.
Quote from: TheClash603 on 08/03/2012, 07:13 PMMysterious Insanity should be saved for a lawsuit, in case they ever dick the community again!
I'm actually just going to stick it with the last remaining CCAG copy and the last un-cut CD tray / insert artwork sheet, right next to the fan art from starsoldier1
I should get one of those big frames like people put albums in to show it off on the wall. It'd look neat that way
I am looking foward to playing your videogame. Send me the completed game soon.
Why, RegalSin, I didn't know you pre-ordered!
Yes, RegalSin was part of the second wave of preorders.
I'm spending this weekend making sure that the bonus items are in order... didn't want to go through with all of that until we were sure we were going into production of the finished product. Now that we're sure that we're good to go, the bonus items can be wrapped up too.
So glad to hear everything was cleared up! I can't wait to play this!!! :)
Quote from: soop on 08/02/2012, 07:49 AMQuote from: esteban on 08/02/2012, 07:09 AMThat was a great show. Surreal. I should re-watch every episode because I know I must have missed one or two. I hope I missed one or two.
:pcgs:
4 words: Noel Fielding's Luxury Comedy.
takes a while to get going, but it grows on you. The Adventures of Joey Ramone is a good sketch. Ahh Joey Ramone.
http://youtu.be/6-wkNhdnWv0
HOLY MOLY! I never knew about this. I am totally loving all the clips I've watched thus far. THANK YOU :pcgs:
BACK ON TOPIC:
Quote from: OldRover on 08/04/2012, 03:08 PMI'm spending this weekend making sure that the bonus items are in order... didn't want to go through with all of that until we were sure we were going into production of the finished product. Now that we're sure that we're good to go, the bonus items can be wrapped up too.
Yay! I don't want to clutter this thread with garbage, so should I PM to verify that I'll be getting a bonus? :pcgs:
I feel like I recently asked you this, but I honestly can't remember. Forgive me.
Thank you.
I handed orders over to Keranu in late March... if you ordered before then, I can check my records to see if you're in the mix, but if you ordered after that, then the answer's already "no" since we were WAY past 100 orders by then.
Quote from: OldRover on 08/04/2012, 05:37 PMI handed orders over to Keranu in late March... if you ordered before then, I can check my records to see if you're in the mix, but if you ordered after that, then the answer's already "no" since we were WAY past 100 orders by then.
November 15 2009!
Is that early enough?
:pcgs:
I just checked for ya esteban, you're qualified for the bonus! Order #21 to be exact.
Come to think of it, I dont think I ever preordered... Not sure if I should laugh or cry...
Esteban has me beat, I think I put my order in August 2011.
Good anniversary present. :)
Quote from: esteban on 08/04/2012, 06:28 PMQuote from: OldRover on 08/04/2012, 05:37 PMI handed orders over to Keranu in late March... if you ordered before then, I can check my records to see if you're in the mix, but if you ordered after that, then the answer's already "no" since we were WAY past 100 orders by then.
November 15 2009!
Is that early enough?
:pcgs:
Thank you, Keranu :pcgs:.
Quote from: henrycsc on 08/05/2012, 12:25 AMEsteban has me beat, I think I put my order in August 2011.
Good anniversary present. :)
Hahahahhahaha. I can't believe how quickly time has flown by. :pcgs:
I am order #4, suckers!
...though it was a convoluted process in getting there.
Who is number one?
Quote from: shubibiman on 08/05/2012, 02:31 PMWho is number one?
I don't know his username on here, but his first name starts with a D and last name begins with an A.
And no, it's not Dumb Ass.
Dick Grabba
Quote from: guest on 08/05/2012, 04:31 PMDick Grabba
That didn't work...
Maybe Douche Addict?
Quote from: shubibiman on 08/05/2012, 02:31 PMWho is number one?
I am not a number! I'm a free man!
Order #1 is Dalder. He has dibs on the first copy due to an arrangement when he bought the prototypes.
Are these copies going to be numbered lol. ZOMG RARZ!
Quote from: BlueBMW on 08/05/2012, 06:29 PMAre these copies going to be numbered lol. ZOMG RARZ!
They better be! How am I to make any money off of them??? :P
Quote from: Mathius on 08/05/2012, 08:24 PMQuote from: BlueBMW on 08/05/2012, 06:29 PMAre these copies going to be numbered lol. ZOMG RARZ!
They better be! How am I to make any money off of them??? :P
Sotheby has been building up they hype on my copy of Insanity the last 12 months. Chaching!
Clash, your response was #1337. :D
I cant wait to see pics of the final product, and send my monies for not 1 but 2 of them bitches!!!
I hope they aren't numbered, only because MSR doesn't need any more OOMGWTFEWFWF moments when some chucklefuck is selling Copy #1 or #2 for some idiotic amount.
Hope you guys skipped out on polywrap too. sealed games are for pussies.
All you bitches lose, cause when I sell my insanity, it comes with a life, and a soul.
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I hope my copy of MSR will also come with a threat on my life. :wink:
I can number them if ya'll want, and sign or write some crazy threats.
I'm going to hold off on the raffle just awhile longer, I'm waiting for a PM from CrackTiger on the artwork.
Having a personalized copy of Insanity is really cool, so I vote for something similar with MSR. :)
Henry's Insanity is pretty awesome. Let me know when you list it
Quote from: hizaygizirlz on 08/05/2012, 10:51 PMHenry's Insanity is pretty awesome. Let me know when you list it
Yeah, mine only has Arkhan's real life alias signature, & it says 1/30 on it. I can't even remember what the 1/30 means. Either way, I didn't get any special hand written threats, I feel left out!
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 08/05/2012, 11:53 PMQuote from: hizaygizirlz on 08/05/2012, 10:51 PMHenry's Insanity is pretty awesome. Let me know when you list it
Yeah, mine only has Arkhan's real life alias signature, & it says 1/30 on it. I can't even remember what the 1/30 means. Either way, I didn't get any special hand written threats, I feel left out!
The death threat ones were when people bought them after the RoyVegas failfest.
Your 1/30 means you've got the first preorder copy. So really, that means yours is worth like 49043409090923408098$
Ah, awesome, YAY! I'm number 1, I'm number 1!!! :D
I think a handful of copies of MSR should include a serving of yogurt or pudding.
(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/team_shinobi_obeys_pce.png)
Or beer.
Oh man my doesn't have a death threat on it! A little jealous! :)
lol. All copies of Insanity are equally worthless.
Ark, nobody's disputing that. It's the death threat that has the REAL value. :P
Quote from: henrycsc on 08/06/2012, 09:05 PMArk, nobody's disputing that. It's the death threat that has the REAL value. :P
Absolutely.
(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/football_follies.jpg)
COMMANDER KEEN DON'T GIVE NO FUCKS.
Quote from: guest on 08/07/2012, 10:18 AMCOMMANDER KEEN DON'T GIVE NO FUCKS.
Death threat + that image = priceless. :pcgs:
He looks so tiny... lol
I'm 135 lbs of pure killing power.
Quote from: guest on 08/07/2012, 03:31 PMI'm 135 lbs of pure killing power.
5 of those pounds are helmet + hair.
and 130 of it is my huge alpha sword.
Quote from: esteban on 08/07/2012, 05:54 AMQuote from: henrycsc on 08/06/2012, 09:05 PMArk, nobody's disputing that. It's the death threat that has the REAL value. :P
Absolutely.
(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/football_follies.jpg)
Wow. So that's what happened to Commander Keen... :shock:
BTW, Arkhan, assuming you are a fan of Keen, have you played the fan-made Universe Is Toast trilogy? It's awesome! The battle with Mortimer at the end of Part 3 was one of the most epic things in Keen. Period.
Quote from: guest on 08/07/2012, 03:59 PMand 130 of it is my huge alpha sword.
Commander Keen has an alpha sword?
And all this time, I thought it was a gun that shot lasers...... I guess that sorta explains the red tip. 8-[
(http://dosomegames.com/Images/Screenshots/Keen1a.png)
The test disc appears to work fine.
I will now list it on eBay.
Quote from: guest on 08/08/2012, 02:11 AMI will now list it on eBay.
I will now kill your 135 pound ass. :P :lol:
Very cool..... And the next tester is?............
Quote from: The Old Rover on 08/08/2012, 03:45 AMQuote from: Psycho Arkhan on 08/08/2012, 02:11 AMI will now list it on eBay.
I will now kill your 135 pound ass. :P :lol:
I bet you'd like this ass, BITCH. oooooooooo
Quote from: guest on 08/08/2012, 10:18 AMQuote from: OldRover on 08/08/2012, 03:45 AMQuote from: guest on 08/08/2012, 02:11 AMI will now list it on eBay.
I will now kill your 135 pound ass. :P :lol:
I bet you'd like this ass, BITCH. oooooooooo
Rover's "Keen Dream" heh heh
Sorry... 8-[
No one, unless Arkhan's going to send it to me so I can run some very specific tests.
I just got done calling Nationwide to approve production for MSR. Apparently Brian has been out of town, so someone else is sort of filling in for him. She told me to email them my confirmation to start production and, presumably, they will get the balling rolling. I sent them the email and we'll see how it goes!
Expect 1000 copies of Insanity on your doorstop in ten days! :lol:
Quote from: guest on 08/08/2012, 05:38 PMExpect 1000 copies of Insanity on your doorstop in ten days! :lol:
LOL god I hope not!
Quote from: guest on 08/08/2012, 05:38 PMExpect 1000 copies of Insanity on your doorstop in ten days! :lol:
This is exactly what I thought when I read that the Brian guy was out of town.
So if all goes well we are playing this in September?
Quote from: hizaygizirlz on 08/08/2012, 06:17 PMSo if all goes well we are playing this in September?
Yes, if not sooner. It will take 10 business days to produce and 2 - 4 days to ship. At this point it depends on how soon Nationwide Disc starts production.
Quote from: Keranu on 08/08/2012, 06:40 PMQuote from: hizaygizirlz on 08/08/2012, 06:17 PMSo if all goes well we are playing this in September?
Yes, if not sooner. It will take 10 business days to produce and 2 - 4 days to ship. At this point it depends on how soon Nationwide Disc starts production.
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QuoteI just got done calling Nationwide to approve production for MSR.
QuoteExpect 1000 copies of Insanity on your doorstop in ten days!
I hope you mentioned the job number and name a half dozens times, so this doesn't happen. <crosses fingers>
We are all praying it goes well for you guys :)
Time to update the Frozen Utopia site now?
Quote from: TheOldMan on 08/08/2012, 08:53 PMI hope you mentioned the job number and name a half dozens times, so this doesn't happen. <crosses fingers>
We are all praying it goes well for you guys :)
Yeah I had to mention the job # several times on the phone actually. That part should be set, it's mentioned in every email subject line. I just hope the tech team will still be working with the same information they used when making the (
successful) check disc. Also hope they're able to get a start on this right away so we don't have to wait around.
Keranu and I are sorting out the rest of the bonus stuff right now. Should take just a few days... we'll likely have all that ironed out before the boxes of discs arrive.
BOXES OF DICK
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SHIT YEAH
Hopefully they arrive in good order.
so, did you get polywrap, or no?
If you did, fuck that shit!
I don't think we did.... I remember the option for it, but I think I made sure not to click it. Probably cost extra too.
Yeah, we skipped the shrinkwrap, & went with carbonite that is wrapped in limburger, which is deep fried in chocolate sauce, with some nice foil stamping on the top that says Lunar!
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 08/09/2012, 12:22 AMYeah, we skipped the shrinkwrap, & went with carbonite that is wrapped in limburger, which is deep fried in chocolate sauce, with some nice foil stamping on the top that says Lunar!
It was the only way to fly.
Yeah it costs extra, and its dumb.
Quote from: OldRover on 08/09/2012, 12:33 AMIt was the only way to fly.
Made me think of this. http://youtu.be/VmtAjrHwFek&feature=player_detailpage#t=59s
Wait... Arkhan is Commander Keen?
8-[
If Keranu says he got 1000 copies of Insanity, someone will die. Promise.
Guys, the posts are slowing down too much. We need to pump this thread to 100 pages of posts by the time this game actually gets into folks hands! We have to feed the saga!
Just kidding, of course. Sounds like things should be on the straight and narrow at this point.
Quote from: guest on 08/17/2012, 12:11 AMGuys, the posts are slowing down too much. We need to pump this thread to 100 pages of posts by the time this game actually gets into folks hands! We have to feed the saga!
Just kidding, of course. Sounds like things should be on the straight and narrow at this point.
Don't jinx it! :shock:
I've been very patient up to this point about the game's release, but with the check disc actually working properly, I'm starting to get excited like everyone else.
Start knocking on every piece of wood you come by, chum. :wink:
Quote from: Mishran on 08/17/2012, 07:49 AMQuote from: guest on 08/17/2012, 12:11 AMGuys, the posts are slowing down too much. We need to pump this thread to 100 pages of posts by the time this game actually gets into folks hands! We have to feed the saga!
Just kidding, of course. Sounds like things should be on the straight and narrow at this point.
Don't jinx it! :shock:
I've been very patient up to this point about the game's release, but with the check disc actually working properly, I'm starting to get excited like everyone else.
Start knocking on every piece of wood you come by, chum. :wink:
I knocked on my head. Does that count? ;)
Looking forward to this a lot.
I'll keep my fingers crossed that everything goes well, but I never underestimate people's capacity to fuck stuff up in a production setting like what's been happening with this company.
I emailed Nationwide earlier this week (Monday or Tuesday) asking if replication has started since they never emailed me back after I sent approval for it. It's Friday and still no word from them at all, lets hope they've been working on this and not stalling.
I was going to call them the yesterday, but didn't have the time after work. I'm out of town right now, I'll give them a call Monday if I still haven't received an email.
Quote from: guest on 08/17/2012, 12:11 AMGuys, the posts are slowing down too much. We need to pump this thread to 100 pages of posts by the time this game actually gets into folks hands! We have to feed the saga!
Just kidding, of course. Sounds like things should be on the straight and narrow at this point.
lol I like this idea!
Mysterious Song is coming out? Then it won't be mysterious!
Is there a release date?
Is it under $72 shipped?
Quote from: blueraven on 08/17/2012, 06:49 PMMysterious Song is coming out? Then it won't be mysterious!
Is there a release date?
Is it under $72 shipped?
Only the Investment Edition is and it has long since sold out. The Inferior Edition is $74.99. :wink:
Don't forget the RoyVegas Special... it comes with an autographed photo of his ex girlfriend and a lifetime supply of Tums... $299.95. Free shipping!
Quote from: OldRover on 08/17/2012, 09:49 PMDon't forget the RoyVegas Special... it comes with an autographed photo of his ex girlfriend and a lifetime supply of Tums... $299.95. Free shipping!
That means when my copy gets here it *could* be worth a lot more than that. Wonder if I could trade my copy in for a house? :-k :P
Almost completely forgot about this. Can't wait to get it. Playing it will be a different matter (still don't have a working Duo or CD unit), but... great job either way, guys!
Possibly the best news yet... replication has already begun and a estimated finishing date has been set! Even better, it's sooner than I expected!
"I have received your approval, and your project will now begin production.
Your job is scheduled to finish production at the end of the day on Aug. 21st. This estimated date is based on your master disc(s) passing integrity testing and copyright checks. Any delay in these areas will result in a delay of the completion of your project. Should your job finish prior to this date we will ship it."
It should take about 2 days for shipping. So if everything continues to go smoothly, we could see an official relate date as soon as this Thursday. However we still to wait for a couple materials for the pre-order bonuses to arrive, so that might cause some extra delay. I'll start filling out everyone's names and addresses on envelopes so I can begin shipping copies out as soon as the game arrives.
Quote from: Keranu on 08/20/2012, 06:29 PMPossibly the best news yet... replication has already begun and a estimated finishing date has been set! Even better, it's sooner than I expected!
"I have received your approval, and your project will now begin production.
Your job is scheduled to finish production at the end of the day on Aug. 21st. This estimated date is based on your master disc(s) passing integrity testing and copyright checks. Any delay in these areas will result in a delay of the completion of your project. Should your job finish prior to this date we will ship it."
It should take about 2 days for shipping. So if everything continues to go smoothly, we could see an official relate date as soon as this Thursday. However we still to wait for a couple materials for the pre-order bonuses to arrive, so that might cause some extra delay. I'll start filling out everyone's names and addresses on envelopes so I can begin shipping copies out as soon as the game arrives.
Sweet! :D
Finishing up the remainder of the bonus materials has taken longer than expected, but never fear; it shall be done! :)
Quote from: OldRover on 08/20/2012, 07:09 PMFinishing up the remainder of the bonus materials has taken longer than expected, but never fear; it shall be done! :)
Woo hoo! Can't wait!
Great news!
If everything goes according to our diabolical plans, the official release will be next Monday. That will depend on how long it takes to finish everything up here and get it to Illinois.
Quote from: Keranu on 08/20/2012, 06:29 PM"This estimated date is based on your master disc(s) passing integrity testing and copyright checks."
Fingers crossed for the "integrity testing".
Hurray. Then you get to box up and ship like 320492340 copies.
Ordered!
Later.
Quote from: OldRover on 08/20/2012, 07:35 PMIf everything goes according to our diabolical plans, the official release will be next Monday. That will depend on how long it takes to finish everything up here and get it to Illinois.
Hold up, I got a couple of touch up's to do on a couple of the music tracks, we'll have to delay the game another month or so :D
Sorry, a cruel joke, my bad ](*,)
Woo hoo!
Congrats, guys. This is great news!
Quote"Your job is scheduled to finish production at the end of the day on Aug. 21st. "
Today????
Quote"This estimated date is based on your master disc(s) passing integrity testing and copyright checks"
Wow. I hope that wasn't from Brian. Here's hoping there are no problems.
And, we want pictures when they come in the mail :)
QuoteIf everything goes according to our diabolical plans, the official release will be next Monday.
I'll settle for the first of September :)
(This year.)
Good Job, guys :)
That text is clearly recycled text... we've already passed all of those checks and have the stamper already, hence the check disc.
Yep. That's just them going through the motions and doing what their job says they have to do. lol
Congrats guys, the end is very near
I am not holding my breath. :pcgs:
Wow. Great, great news!
We have confirmation that the manufacturing is complete. We are now awaiting shipping confirmation. So, to all the naysayers throughout the years, here's a heartfelt:
Quote from: OldRover on 08/22/2012, 02:13 PMWe have confirmation that the manufacturing is complete. We are now awaiting shipping confirmation. So, to all the naysayers throughout the years, here's a heartfelt:
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> :lol:
Is that Willow or Ripple telling her broom to fuck off?
Someone needs to spray champagne on the Frozen Utopia Team! :D
Quote from: OldRover on 08/22/2012, 02:13 PMWe have confirmation that the manufacturing is complete. We are now awaiting shipping confirmation. So, to all the naysayers throughout the years, here's a heartfelt...
Ha! :pcgs:
(https://junk.tg-16.com/images/mysterious_song_tg16.png)
I have something to sa.... 8-[ .... :-s .... :-$ :-# [-( .... wait for it.... :D
I'm really getting excited about MSR. I have known about its development for a long time but have mostly avoided following it closely so I can really enjoy playing a new game, that's completely new to me.
I cant wait to put it on ebay for 400.00 and see how many dumb questions i get! lol
Just kidding
Quote from: cabbage on 08/23/2012, 07:41 PMI'm really getting excited about MSR. I have known about its development for a long time but have mostly avoided following it closely so I can really enjoy playing a new game, that's completely new to me.
I thought I would do the same thing, but it's been such a long time, I have completely forgotten everything I ever read (or viewed) about Mysterious Song!
I guess senility DOES HAVE ITS ADVANTAGES: every few years (months), I get to replay games and rewatch movies as if they were fresh. :pcgs:
Like a ninja I snuck into Frozen Utopia's home base yesterday and grabbed my copy before it could be shipped, just so I could get it a few days ahead of time! Muahahahahahahaha!
http://twitter.com/MGCInDepth/status/239876227542949889
MysteriousSong.jpg
Looks great, Frozen Utopia! Great job! :D
Later.
Score, DHG! I guess this means they are in! :D
Yeah, they're in now... but the bonus items aren't finished yet so we haven't released them yet. I'm personally overseeing the completion of the bonus items, but with the recent tropical storm followed by my entire family being very sick, I've not been able to dedicate as much time as needed to finish it off. However, I'm willing to allow the game discs to be shipped to anyone who doesn't mind not getting the bonus items right away... in other words, whoever wants it "now!", who has the bonus items coming to them, can get the game now and have the bonus items shipped later... if they want. :)
Quote from: DHG Hunter on 08/26/2012, 08:15 PMMysteriousSong.jpg
Fuck yeah - BLACK-TRAY HOMEBREW!!!!!!! Finally!
BLACK POWER!
Did you test one of the disks to make sure they work? Or that they aren't copies of Insanity? :P
Keranu has already done that. :lol: Plus, we had the check disc check out, so we're all good. :)
Quote from: guest on 08/26/2012, 09:04 PMFuck yeah - BLACK DARK-GRAY-TRAY HOMEBREW!!!!!!! Finally!
Heck yes.
Also, fixed that for you.
You prolly coulda fit Insanity on the disc as a hidden game, lol.
It just wouldn't have any room for the CD audio, probably. The game itself is tiny.
Here's some sexy pics of the product + bonus items! https://imgur.com/a/VEbEt
Quote from: Keranu on 08/27/2012, 06:27 PMHere's some sexy pics of the product + bonus items! https://imgur.com/a/VEbEt
Nice trim around your box, but I'd rather see it with some bush!
The final product really looks great! All the struggles you guys have overcome creating this will really pay off now and in the future with (hopefully) smoother pressings down the line. =D> Congratulations Frozen Utopia and everyone who helped along the way!
Those are some awesome pictures! I'm glad I got second place in that contest. I just hope I get the bonus item, too. Keranu promised me! :P
When does shipping begin?
Quote from: Arjak on 08/27/2012, 07:59 PMThose are some awesome pictures! I'm glad I got second place in that contest. I just hope I get the bonus item, too. Keranu promised me! :P
When does shipping begin?
Thanks!
I shipped two cppies at the post office today so I could get the weight measured. I'll buy printing out shipping labels now for all the post-1oo orders.
Quote from: Keranu on 08/27/2012, 06:27 PMHere's some sexy pics of the product + bonus items! https://imgur.com/a/VEbEt
Everything looks really sharp :pcgs:.
QUESTION: Track 11 - Between the Eyes - Unknown or Unkown?
Quote from: Keranu on 08/27/2012, 06:27 PMHere's some sexy pics of the product + bonus items! https://imgur.com/a/VEbEt
Does that mean the bonus items are ready for shipping?
Quote from: esteban on 08/28/2012, 08:59 AMQUESTION: Track 11 - Between the Eyes - Unknown or Unkown?
Unkown, because no one else noticed.
Quote from: OldRover on 08/28/2012, 11:16 AMQuote from: esteban on 08/28/2012, 08:59 AMQUESTION: Track 11 - Between the Eyes - Unknown or Unkown?
Unkown, because no one else noticed.
Gotcha. :pcgs:
Quote from: Keranu on 08/27/2012, 06:27 PMHere's some sexy pics of the product + bonus items! https://imgur.com/a/VEbEt
You get JJ and Jeff with it? Fantastic!
Quote from: guest on 08/28/2012, 02:38 PMQuote from: Keranu on 08/27/2012, 06:27 PMHere's some sexy pics of the product + bonus items! https://imgur.com/a/VEbEt
You get JJ and Jeff with it? Fantastic!
:pcgs:
Quote from: hoobs88 on 08/28/2012, 10:17 AMQuote from: Keranu on 08/27/2012, 06:27 PMHere's some sexy pics of the product + bonus items! https://imgur.com/a/VEbEt
Does that mean the bonus items are ready for shipping?
The DVD case and inserts for the bonus items are ready, we're just waiting on the discs to arrive. If you want to go ahead and have your pre-order sent now, I can send you the game + DVD case and Rover can send you the discs at a later time.
Is it too late to point out that you guys spelled Unknown wrong on the soundtrack.
Not only is it way too late, but you're also way too late to mention it. :P
Well whoever that unknown composer is, he should start going by the alias "Unkown"
Quote from: The Old Rover on 08/28/2012, 07:47 PMNot only is it way too late, but you're also way too late to mention it. :P
Oh. yeah, whoops. lol.
oh well.
Minor suggestion, here, but since this thread is so epic in length, anyway, can we just merge the other one with it? The recent posts are all pretty redundant.
QuoteIs it too late to point out that you guys spelled Unknown wrong on the soundtrack.
They're just trying to be authentic (see the thread about actual manual typos)
Quotesince this thread is so epic in length, anyway, can we just merge the other one with it?
I thought we were trying to make 100 pages before they shipped all the bonus-included orders :)
Quote from: guest on 08/28/2012, 07:09 PMIs it too late to point out that you guys spelled Unknown wrong on the soundtrack.
hmmmmmmmmmmm....
Quote from: esteban on 08/28/2012, 12:17 PMQuote from: OldRover on 08/28/2012, 11:16 AMQuote from: esteban on 08/28/2012, 08:59 AMQUESTION: Track 11 - Between the Eyes - Unknown or Unkown?
Unkown, because no one else noticed.
Gotcha. :pcgs: