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But the lack of CRT diminishes it a little.
All that fancy lighting and the owner can't afford a decent TV?
lol, I already knew it must be that pic when reading the title :D
the only nice thing is its arrangenment/presentation. rest isn't really impressive at all. we know we can do much better..hehe.
That is a pretty cool setup. He must have one huge rats nest of wires behind those shelves. At any given time I usually have 6 or 7 devices running into my TV and it's a nightmare of wires. :)
Quote from: Tatsujin on 05/17/2012, 02:06 PMlol, I already knew it must be that pic when reading the title :D
the only nice thing is its arrangenment/presentation. rest isn't really impressive at all. we know we can do much better..hehe.
Apparently it went viral yesterday. It is very slick looking for sure and simple. I doubt each console is connected though. Maybe.
yeah lack of CRT is lame. My setup is currently 8 systems hooked up to my CRT and the wires are crazy
Quote from: munchiaz on 05/17/2012, 03:26 PMyeah lack of CRT is lame. My setup is currently 8 systems hooked up to my CRT and the wires are crazy
do you go into a receiver to switch the signal or to the back of the TV?
Quote from: Nando on 05/17/2012, 04:00 PMQuote from: munchiaz on 05/17/2012, 03:26 PMyeah lack of CRT is lame. My setup is currently 8 systems hooked up to my CRT and the wires are crazy
do you go into a receiver to switch the signal or to the back of the TV?
i have one of those AV switchers to connect multiple systems. then that goes into the TV
Also lots of redundant consoles
not all flat panel displays are fail (just most)
Quote from: thesteve on 05/17/2012, 06:33 PMnot all flat panel displays are fail (just most)
Some suck less than others, but all will alter the image in some way.
if he has a frame meister or XRGB-3, then it might be an OK setup with TFT what ever.
That's a nice set up, But not for me. Give me a few systems and I'm good.
Man this did go viral.
There's a video of the room here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=14se0alUpOY
Watched 10 seconds of the video. No RGB, admits to using composite, and that screen's lack of scan lines is disgusting. Also even worse he has an SNES in there. SNES makes everything so ugly it's unreal. Ask any attractive girl to hold an SNES and you'll see her melt into the wicked witch of mooseland faster then tats can say "System card me."
Quote from: SuperDeadite on 05/17/2012, 11:03 PMWatched 10 seconds of the video. No RGB, admits to using composite, and that screen's lack of scan lines is disgusting. Also even worse he has an SNES in there. SNES makes everything so ugly it's unreal. Ask any attractive girl to hold an SNES and you'll see her melt into the wicked witch of mooseland faster then tats can say "System card me."
There's a SNES in the pic at least. Second row, far right.
My setup involves multiple A/V switches (never modded my systems for RGB, need to keep it authentic) and a CRT TV.
I might not have as good of a shelving setup, but at least I am in 4:3.
yeah his shelves are nice, but the lack of a CRT just throws me for a loop. He states he loves the 16-bit era, you would think a CRT would be a must
He does have a CRT display in that room, it is behind the couch and has another 6 systems connected to it. As one user posted on here his Youtube username is 16BitGhost and he had a great idea of the system cabinet. Weird that it took this long to go viral which is sad. Great youtube and gamer if you have never chatted with him before.
It's a pretty cool setup, but there's a bit too much displaying going on. Boxes and stuff like that take a lot of place, without being of much use. I'm not saying he should dispose of them, but maybe keep them somewhere else. Other than that, it seems pretty sweet. That couch, if a bit bloat-ish, looks comfy and the "mame-table"-thing behind it is a cool touch.
As for the LCD-TV, I was content with the picture I got from mine before I got a PCE and my TV couldn't really handle it. Saturn & PS1 fared pretty well on it. And let's not forget about how much space a CRT takes and how much they weigh. But seeing how much money he must've thrown down for that, maybe he could do well to invest in a scaler.
Edit: Wow, just hit 200 posts. I know that post count really doesn't matter much, but, can't help to be proud *sniff*
Yeah this guy has a great set up and a respectable collection (he has a complete JP Saturn library) with some cool custom machines, but the way he drones on about game collecting made his videos irritating for some reason..
You don't "need" a CRT to play all those consoles. I own a CRT, but I only ever use it or lightgun games, everything else is plugged into the plasma - and nothing is modded at the moment, it all uses its best native output (apart from the Dreamcast)
Quote from: Ji-L87 on 05/18/2012, 03:40 AMAs for the LCD-TV, I was content with the picture I got from mine before I got a PCE and my TV couldn't really handle it.
what do you mean?
Quote from: Ji-L87 on 05/18/2012, 03:40 AMIt's a pretty cool setup, but there's a bit too much displaying going on. Boxes and stuff like that take a lot of place, without being of much use. I'm not saying he should dispose of them, but maybe keep them somewhere else. Other than that, it seems pretty sweet. That couch, if a bit bloat-ish, looks comfy and the "mame-table"-thing behind it is a cool touch.
As for the LCD-TV, I was content with the picture I got from mine before I got a PCE and my TV couldn't really handle it. Saturn & PS1 fared pretty well on it. And let's not forget about how much space a CRT takes and how much they weigh. But seeing how much money he must've thrown down for that, maybe he could do well to invest in a scaler.
Edit: Wow, just hit 200 posts. I know that post count really doesn't matter much, but, can't help to be proud *sniff*
Here's the thing though. If you can afford a 46'' tv, all those shelves and lights, and all those games. I think you can afford a decent scaler and a small pile of RGB cables to plug into it.
Just found an inspiration on my next project!!
Quote from: SuperDeadite on 05/18/2012, 09:50 AMQuote from: Ji-L87 on 05/18/2012, 03:40 AMIt's a pretty cool setup, but there's a bit too much displaying going on. Boxes and stuff like that take a lot of place, without being of much use. I'm not saying he should dispose of them, but maybe keep them somewhere else. Other than that, it seems pretty sweet. That couch, if a bit bloat-ish, looks comfy and the "mame-table"-thing behind it is a cool touch.
As for the LCD-TV, I was content with the picture I got from mine before I got a PCE and my TV couldn't really handle it. Saturn & PS1 fared pretty well on it. And let's not forget about how much space a CRT takes and how much they weigh. But seeing how much money he must've thrown down for that, maybe he could do well to invest in a scaler.
Edit: Wow, just hit 200 posts. I know that post count really doesn't matter much, but, can't help to be proud *sniff*
Here's the thing though. If you can afford a 46'' tv, all those shelves and lights, and all those games. I think you can afford a decent scaler and a small pile of RGB cables to plug into it.
Yeah if you watch his vids (I think his YouTube account is 16 bit Ghost) he mods a lot of his consoles to RGB or the best video output it can handle.
This set-up sucks. The TV is so fucking high up in the air I'd get a neck ache actually playing games...assuming I didn't puke first from the horror that is LCD via composite...that must look so fucking horrible. All those fucking PS2s and he can't afford an upscaler?
This post pretty much has all the bad stuff and little of the good that goes along with modern collecting. Its all about hoarding the most LIMITEDOMGR@RE quantities of shit a person can find and focuses much less on the actual software (i.e.the data on the cart, not the plastic its in) and the actual playing of games in non-Youtube situations.
While I like his Char's Gamecube, I'd much rather have my setup.
I like how dipshits like this can go viral, without having any goddamn clue.
I think its awesome. If he is happy then who cares.
Quote from: tggodfrey on 05/18/2012, 02:47 PMI think its awesome. If he is happy then who cares.
its not that.
its that the media suddenly makes a scene about setups like this, when its fuckin normal and been done for the past like 20 years by the rest of us
Quote from: guest on 05/18/2012, 02:59 PMQuote from: tggodfrey on 05/18/2012, 02:47 PMI think its awesome. If he is happy then who cares.
its not that.
its that the media suddenly makes a scene about setups like this, when its fuckin normal and been done for the past like 20 years by the rest of us
Yeah it is annoying when shit like this goes viral. But just remember that the people who send this shit around are the same people who still send chain emails, virus warnings, and forward you pictures of bunnies paired with bible quotes.
That is rather sleek but I hate having more than one or two consoles out at a time. When I am done with a game I usually move to another system and meticulously pack the previous one up and put it away in the old closet until the day its services are once again required.
Especially since I try to buy every old system new and mint I feel when left outside they somehow age faster.
They do for a fact collect dust faster and in case of certain consoles, like the much cursed ugly form of the SNES, the plastic yellows faster if exposed to light.
My current setup has two top of the line CRT's unceremoniously put upon the ground with a pair of chest high tower speakers erected like marble pillars to their sides so I can fully enjoy the sights and sounds of the good old genenations.
What my setup lacks in elegance it more than makes up for in raw fidelity.
Lol. I airbrushed my SNES really gaudy colors to ensure it'd be worthless to anyone else so I'd never be tempted to sell it. :P
Quote from: kamiboy on 05/18/2012, 07:54 PMThey do for a fact collect dust faster and in case of certain consoles, like the much cursed ugly form of the SNES, the plastic yellows faster if exposed to light.
Sunlight. Not all light.
and, who cares if the plastic is in pristine condition. Its plastic. Its rugged. The insides are what is important.
Quote from: SuperDeadite on 05/17/2012, 11:03 PMAsk any attractive girl to.....
woah...who are you kidding you have to pay to get close to an attractive girl.
The lighted shelving does look good though, the average person looking at this would be in awwwww but there are a lot of other setups i have seen that look just as good or better.
Quote from: guest on 05/18/2012, 09:20 PMSunlight. Not all light.
and, who cares if the plastic is in pristine condition. Its plastic. Its rugged. The insides are what is important.
I care. I am shallow.
The SNES turned yellow when exposed to air, not light. The chemicals in the plastic oxidize. If it were sunlight, the damage would not be so uniform and consistent throughout the entire piece of plastic. My SNES never left my basement and the bottom of it (and only the bottom) turned yellow. I, of course, swapped that out with a good bottom from my friend's old unit that he gave to me which lived upstairs in his house, exposed to sunlight. Not all plastics came from the same mix or likely even the same factory, thus the reason not all parts of the SNES or even all SNESes yellow.
yeah my SNES is not yellow at all, and its been out and been played for years and years
Quote from: guest on 05/18/2012, 02:59 PMQuote from: tggodfrey on 05/18/2012, 02:47 PMI think its awesome. If he is happy then who cares.
its not that.
its that the media suddenly makes a scene about setups like this, when its fuckin normal and been done for the past like 20 years by the rest of us
I didnt really see a scene at all.
Personally I thought the guys setup was ok. Its a bit streamlined really and not traditional/old school looking though, so no real charm as it were. As far as using composite goes on his LCD, I cant say what kind of quality he gets, but I use it on mine for some things like Nes, and I used to use it for Pce back when I got my LCD originally, and it did fine. Actually, I really liked the way game stuff looked on it. Mine is a Toshiba though and I have the option to not stretch anything and my set is calibrated well. I stopped using crt tvs in my room, and stuck one in the living room for my daughter to use, and my son has the other one. Right now the only classic game system stuff I buy and play is Nes and Snes, and I wont be going back to a crt for them anytime soon.
Also like to point out, not much really wrong with using composite on TG/Pce, or Snes, or lets say something like Saturn, Ps1, 3DO, or Jaguar if you have to. Those systems had pretty solid quality composite output right from the start that wont hinder the enjoyment much. Now, if hes using composite on crap like Genesis where the composite signal was just shit, then that blows. The Genesis, NeoGeo AES, and Master Systems original composite is shity enough to actually full on warrant putting in extra effort to get RGB or Svideo out.
Quote from: guest on 05/18/2012, 02:59 PMQuote from: tggodfrey on 05/18/2012, 02:47 PMI think its awesome. If he is happy then who cares.
its not that.
its that the media suddenly makes a scene about setups like this, when its fuckin normal and been done for the past like 20 years by the rest of us
lolfuckeay \o/
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 05/19/2012, 01:32 AMThe Genesis, NeoGeo AES, and Master Systems original composite is shity enough to actually full on warrant putting in extra effort to get RGB
why putting extra effort in these, when they putting out RGB natively?
Quote from: Tatsujin on 05/19/2012, 11:41 AMQuote from: PCEngineHell on 05/19/2012, 01:32 AMThe Genesis, NeoGeo AES, and Master Systems original composite is shity enough to actually full on warrant putting in extra effort to get RGB
why putting extra effort in these, when they putting out RGB natively?
Exactly.
I suppose a minimal amount of effort is required in that you need to grab a scart cable and have a TV that accepts an RGB scart input, or a component input and use an encoder, but the results are well worth it.
It goes deeper than the type of video connection though; yes some consoles do actually have a rather decent composite output (such as the SNES) yet it still looks like turd on a modern LCD TV.
The point is that the guy has like a dozen LE PS2s, a custom shelf with vanity lighting, and all sorts of bling blong dumb shit and he's using composite in an LCD. His priorities are all out of whack, gaming-wise.
And composite itself is not a huge problem if the display matches, but I have yet to see an LCD that produces a picture from a composite signal that is even half as good as what a early 90s Kmart TV would have produced over RF. Some people are evidently blind.
Recently I went to a guy's house to buy a used laserdisc player. This was a CLD D604, which is just middle of the road quality-wise. He wanted to re-collect his old setup from the 90s so he was done with this clunker and wanted a CLD97, which is a really really nice piece of gear. The problem was that when I demoed the unit before buying it on his massive-ass 60 LCD it looked like SHIIIIIIT. Now I know this player is middle of the road, makes some noise on reds I can't seem to tune out, but that wasn't the problem. %99 of the problem with the picture was with his set. It looks just fine on my CRT at home. There is so much of that pale foggy blurriness coming from his stupid-ass TV (which was not a cheap set as far as I could tell, a Pioneer) that I don't see how you could even tell the difference between a 604 and a 97. It would be like trying to figure out what brand of gun you were just shot with by how the bullet hole feels.
One of the discs I brought to test this unit before I bought it was Manhattan (1979). I chose this because there is a scene where a guy has a shirt with a fine checker print on it and it tends to produce a distractingly extreme Moiré effect for the time its on screen, maybe 30 seconds. When I played this on his set it was different than I was used to. The area around the guys jacket and tie didn't produce the effect at all (the checker pattern just turned to mud) but in the more open and unobscured areas it was massively pronounced to a comically horrible degree. Obviously my test was useless since the display was making the test of the output impossible to use.
But like I said, some people evidently just can't tell. Some people can't tell the difference between a BMW and a Buick either, and honestly for those people it really would be a waste of money to get the BMW or the X-RGB or whatever, I guess. If they can't see it, I can't show it to them, and probably they are better off. Having a hyper tuned aesthetic is more or a curse than a blessing most of the time.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/19/2012, 01:10 PMThe point is that the guy has like a dozen LE PS2s, a custom shelf with vanity lighting, and all sorts of bling blong dumb shit and he's using composite in an LCD. His priorities are all out of whack, gaming-wise.
And composite itself is not a huge problem if the display matches, but I have yet to see an LCD that produces a picture from a composite signal that is even half as good as what a early 90s Kmart TV would have produced over RF. Some people are evidently blind.
Recently I went to a guy's house to buy a used laserdisc player. This was a CLD D604, which is just middle of the road quality-wise. He wanted to re-collect his old setup from the 90s so he was done with this clunker and wanted a CLD97, which is a really really nice piece of gear. The problem was that when I demoed the unit before buying it on his massive-ass 60 LCD it looked like SHIIIIIIT. Now I know this player is middle of the road, makes some noise on reds I can't seem to tune out, but that wasn't the problem. %99 of the problem with the picture was with his set. It looks just fine on my CRT at home. There is so much of that pale foggy blurriness coming from his stupid-ass TV (which was not a cheap set as far as I could tell, a Pioneer) that I don't see how you could even tell the difference between a 604 and a 97. It would be like trying to figure out what brand of gun you were just shot with by how the bullet hole feels.
One of the discs I brought to test this unit before I bought it was Manhattan (1979). I chose this because there is a scene where a guy has a shirt with a fine checker print on it and it tends to produce a distractingly extreme Moiré effect for the time its on screen, maybe 30 seconds. When I played this on his set it was different than I was used to. The area around the guys jacket and tie didn't produce the effect at all (the checker pattern just turned to mud) but in the more open and unobscured areas it was massively pronounced to a comically horrible degree. Obviously my test was useless since the display was making the test of the output impossible to use.
But like I said, some people evidently just can't tell. Some people can't tell the difference between a BMW and a Buick either, and honestly for those people it really would be a waste of money to get the BMW or the X-RGB or whatever, I guess. If they can't see it, I can't show it to them, and probably they are better off. Having a hyper tuned aesthetic is more or a curse than a blessing most of the time.
Well yeah obviously LD, CED, and VCR tech is going to look like complete ass on a LCD without a good upscaler. Basically it presents a muddy blurry image half the time. Its just how the LCD handles that stuff. I ended up getting rid of all my LD stuff though anyway, as I had most of it on DVD. The VCR stuf is downstairs on a crt.
Game systems usually just look like they are running off a emulator without the scanlines if you have a solid LCD, and if your LCD has a good game mode then you can get a pretty good picture out of it. These pics are kinda old, as they were for auctions and I was trying to get the Nes deck and the TV both in the shot and only needed to show the system worked, but at any rate:
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When I get time later I will take better shots from a correct angle, but seriously, I'm pretty happy with the image I get.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/19/2012, 01:10 PMRecently I went to a guy's house to buy a used laserdisc player. This was a CLD D604, which is just middle of the road quality-wise. He wanted to re-collect his old setup from the 90s so he was done with this clunker and wanted a CLD97, which is a really really nice piece of gear. The problem was that when I demoed the unit before buying it on his massive-ass 60 LCD it looked like SHIIIIIIT.
I hope he did at least run it in 4:3? :lol:
I recently read about using DVD recorders to pass through composite from the LD to the recorder's (presumably) superior comb filter before sending that signal to a scaler or similar.
I tried that route yesterday but that LG DVD recorder we have home must be pretty bad. Image got all kind of worse, not to mention de-centered and sort of rolled-over the top of the screen to the bottom. Weird.
/off-topic
Speaking of displaying, some images appear here and there but did we have a display thread of our own? All this talk makes me curious. :P
My digital cam isn't the best at taking these kind of pics, but anyway:
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Quote from: Ji-L87 on 05/19/2012, 02:24 PMI hope he did at least run it in 4:3? :lol:
When I was there it was running in a 16:9 zoom, which is perfect for Manhatten since the movie is wide as hell. I don't know if he normally runs Roy Vegas style or not.*
QuoteI recently read about using DVD recorders to pass through composite from the LD to the recorder's (presumably) superior comb filter before sending that signal to a scaler or similar.
I tried that route yesterday but that LG DVD recorder we have home must be pretty bad. Image got all kind of worse, not to mention de-centered and sort of rolled-over the top of the screen to the bottom. Weird.
/off-topic
Yeah, I was reading about that. I actually have at lest one brand new DVD recorder in the basement but I haven't tried it yet. My only LCD is set up for PS3 in the bedroom. My "SD Room" has a CRT in it with all the LDs and 16-bit and such.
QuoteSpeaking of displaying, some images appear here and there but did we have a display thread of our own? All this talk makes me curious. :P
That's probably a good idea, but I'm not sure I'd put much stake in it. Still photos and screen captures can only say so much. Most of the stuff just has to be seen in person to really grasp it. If you have the space I really just don't see the point in trying to ram the square peg into the round hole. There are literally a half dozen 32" Wega's for sale on Craig's List in my area for less than $75 every single day. There was even a wide one last week that was actually FREE (!) but I couldn't find a strong friend fast enough to go get it. The fucker is 240 lbs and everyone I know is quite physically weak. :)
Mike's shots here look pretty good, considering there are no scan lines. I'm pretty sure I'd get tired of it eventually though. I'd much rather play on an emulator.
* Ha ha! Gotcha Roy. Your crimes against 4:3 video games will not be forgotten. I'll take it to The Hague if I have to, ya fuck.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/19/2012, 05:10 PMThere was even a wide one last week that was actually FREE (!) but I couldn't find a strong friend fast enough to go get it. The fucker is 240 lbs and everyone I know is quite physically weak. :)
Hm...I'd think twice about that. I have a 32'' Wega wide that I want to get rid off, because it's doing a sub-par job with it's 4:3. It's squishing the edges of the picture ever so slightly (really noticeable with horizontal scrolling) and 16:9 looks brighter and more colorful. It's actually a noticeable difference when you change aspect ratio.
Is there anything in the service menu that might fix that? The thing's pretty old now, its going to have some drift.
Quote from: Tatsujin on 05/19/2012, 11:41 AMQuote from: PCEngineHell on 05/19/2012, 01:32 AMThe Genesis, NeoGeo AES, and Master Systems original composite is shity enough to actually full on warrant putting in extra effort to get RGB
why putting extra effort in these, when they putting out RGB natively?
The Neo Geo needs help. It's native RGB output kind of sucks and therefore needs an RGB bypass. The Neo Geo is not very well made, but at least it has RGB. Also, the RGB out of the Genesis and SMS look different. I can't recall, but I think the SMS is either brighter or darker than the Genesis for some reason (which looks perfect in RGB), so you'd have to correct for that with either an amp or a few resistors.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/19/2012, 05:51 PMIs there anything in the service menu that might fix that? The thing's pretty old now, its going to have some drift.
Can't say for sure as I've been unsuccessful in my attempts to enter service mode : |
Prof's shots are playable, but yeah the lack of scanlines makes everything look icky imo.
Quote from: SuperDeadite on 05/19/2012, 11:22 PMProf's shots are playable, but yeah the lack of scanlines makes everything look icky imo.
I must be the only one on the planet that doesn't like scanlines. Raw sprites are the way to go :P Scanlines are just in the way of what I want to see plus, they darken the image.
Scanlines, real ones anyway, offer a bit of free anti-aliasing and it helps make the picture look less jagged and blocky. I like scanlines myself but if someone else wants to play old games on their LCD or Plasma, more power to them. Real scanlines don't darken the image. Scalers that add them? I can't say because I've never used one.
Scanlines are part of the retro gaming experience for me. Not to mention that images move more smoothly on a CRT TV (something which no screenshot can capture) and colours often look better. I also enjoy using light phasers and 3D glasses so I simply can't live without a gaming CRT.
My Master System via RGB on a CRT TV:
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^ That right there is how it's meant to be played! No darkening at all, the scanlines look gorgeous (better to the naked eye) and you can count each and every pixel.
I can get a great picture on my Plasma TV via component but it still doesn't look quite right to me:
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Quote from: Joe Redifer on 05/20/2012, 04:09 AMScanlines, real ones anyway, offer a bit of free anti-aliasing and it helps make the picture look less jagged and blocky.
I don't mind it looking jagged and blocky. That's what pixels are - sharp & blocky. Playing games through emulators sold me on the look, I guess...even though I of course grew up playing on a CRT like everybody else.
Quote from: Frank_fjs on 05/20/2012, 04:25 AMScanlines are part of the retro gaming experience for me. Not to mention that images move more smoothly on a CRT TV (something which no screenshot can capture) and colours often look better. I also enjoy using light phasers and 3D glasses so I simply can't live without a gaming CRT.
Yeah, that's something I'll really miss :( Except I have a gun, but no games.
Re: scanlines "darkening" the images. Its more accurate to say that removing the scan lines brightens the image. Scanlines are a part of the overall gamma of the image. When you lose them the image becomes brighter. The original colors were all designed/chosen with scan lines in mind. To me the dithering and shading just doesn't look right when they are taken out.
Another thing, you guys with LCDs/plasmas, do the flicker effects actually work properly? Like, KOF shadows, for example? With the TV's I've seen you have one guy with a full black shadow and one guy with no shadow most of the time instead of both guys with alternating fields of black sprite/no sprite to make a transparency.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/20/2012, 05:43 AMAnother thing, you guys with LCDs/plasmas, do the flicker effects actually work properly? Like, KOF shadows, for example? With the TV's I've seen you have one guy with a full black shadow and one guy with no shadow most of the time instead of both guys with alternating fields of black sprite/no sprite to make a transparency.
That depends on a great many things.
I've had problems with such effects not working properly on LCD, yes. In fact, my first post on this very forum was about image problems with Yuna 2 running on an LCD where a transparency effect utilizing horizontal lines didn't look right and led to horrible artefacts when in motion.
I just got a VP30 scaler with a de-interlacing card and in one of the two game-modes those flicker effects actually work. In the other game mode, they look like they did on my LCD set. As in, doesn't always flicker, becoming distorted when in motion etc.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/20/2012, 05:43 AMAnother thing, you guys with LCDs/plasmas, do the flicker effects actually work properly? Like, KOF shadows, for example? With the TV's I've seen you have one guy with a full black shadow and one guy with no shadow most of the time instead of both guys with alternating fields of black sprite/no sprite to make a transparency.
Many effects are lost with LCD/Plasma TV's. If you have a Mega Drive, check out the waterfall areas of Sonic where they used dithering - it looks off on an LCD.
scalines are the most important factor to enjoy any oldskool games. that's also why I never went into pc gaming back then, since everything in VGA etc. looked so awful blocky 'n' pixled. hated it like nothing else.
today gaming old games on a superduper HD TV set, a good upscaler is an absolute mandatory for me.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/20/2012, 05:43 AMAnother thing, you guys with LCDs/plasmas, do the flicker effects actually work properly? Like, KOF shadows, for example? With the TV's I've seen you have one guy with a full black shadow and one guy with no shadow most of the time instead of both guys with alternating fields of black sprite/no sprite to make a transparency.
This hasn't been a issue for me thankfully. I've run PCE, Neo CD, Genesis, Snes, Nes, PS1, and N64 on mine via composite or Svideo without issues. I don't get the dreaded lag issue either. Some lcd's though just have poor game modes, or no game mode at all, so problems are going to vary from set to set. Really you just have to research your set some before you buy it to make sure its the one for you.
i let my friend borrow a pce and lords of thunder and I almost barfed when I saw him playing it on his huge vizeo LCD with the image stretched
I use the composite with my upscaler, and fiddle around a bit and get a really nice picture even through composite
going straight into my TV, it doesn't go as nice. The PCE looked fine. The NES looked fuckin mental.
Admittedly though, I haven't messed with the TV composite mode settings too much. VGA and HDMI worked great so I just got an XRGB3.
I have a friend who's got a panasonic plasma TV. All his shit, including Atari 2600, look fine. It's an interesting TV.
Quote from: SignOfZeta on 05/20/2012, 05:43 AMAnother thing, you guys with LCDs/plasmas, do the flicker effects actually work properly? Like, KOF shadows, for example? With the TV's I've seen you have one guy with a full black shadow and one guy with no shadow most of the time instead of both guys with alternating fields of black sprite/no sprite to make a transparency.
I've tried in the past to hook up my TG-16 to my living room 46" Olevia LCD (not a top of the line TV and the company went out of business here in the States a couple years ago) and had all sorts of issues. It looked really crummy, and sometimes the screen would go blank and I'd get a "No Signal" message.
Well I found out today that my receiver (3-4 year old Onkyo 700 series) was trying to upscale the image to 1080P before passing it to my TV. I set that video input to 480P today and now everything works great! Still, there are no scanlines, and the pixels aren't super crisp (it's still being scaled to 1080P by the TV now and we're talking about a composite image) but the flicker transparency works flawlessly and there isn't any noticeable delay. I made it to the final boss in Spriggan on normal mode in one credit, which is about as good as I usually do on a CRT. And I played some Final Soldier and all of the on-screen messages (which use the flicker-transparency effect) displayed perfectly. Also, the LCD displays a 4:3 image; I can't stand a stretched image. :)
So now I have one system hooked up to my CRT and one system set up in the living room. If I want the old-school nostalgic feeling, I can play on the CRT and if I want the comfort of my living room couch and a much better sound system, I'll sacrifice a little bit of video quality and play in the living room. Thanks to the Tennokoe Card I can swap saves between the systems as well. Life is good. :dance:
Quote from: Joe Redifer on 05/19/2012, 06:07 PMThe Neo Geo needs help. It's native RGB output kind of sucks and therefore needs an RGB bypass. The Neo Geo is not very well made, but at least it has RGB. Also, the RGB out of the Genesis and SMS look different. I can't recall, but I think the SMS is either brighter or darker than the Genesis for some reason (which looks perfect in RGB), so you'd have to correct for that with either an amp or a few resistors.
I've found slight differences between different Genesis systems and different SMS systems (not just between models). Depending on personal taste, it's either unnoticeable or enough to make you pick a particular console over another. Before I noticed the difference in sound between Genesis systems, I stuck to a model 2, as it was sharper than the model 1's I tried, which had produced more faint lines with my XMD-3, but seemed to have slightly nicer color (for my taste). Once I finally got a setup to display component, the slight differences were still noticeable, but evened out more without the faint lines from the XMD-3. Different SMS systems produced slightly different images as well, but I haven't bothered comparing them in component, since they'd require an audio out mod to play with sound that way. Mark III SMS, Gam*Boy and from what I've heard, regular Mark III consoles all have too weak of an RGB signal to work with the XMD-3 or RGB/component transcoders. There is a mod description online that is supposed to fix it, so I'm guessing that they don't even work with crt's that accept RGB straight in.
Quote from: guest on 05/21/2012, 10:26 PMDifferent SMS systems produced slightly different images as well, but I haven't bothered comparing them in component, since they'd require an audio out mod to play with sound that way.
You mean because of the encoder not having audio outputs? If so, grab a breakout box:
(http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy341/shirorisu/DSC04135.jpg)
I use the same component box as in your picture. Works great, you can also get scart cables that have audio leads coming out of the plug. Same thing.
Here's a youtube video comparing composite vs component on the JVC X'EYE that I made. The difference is night and day. Not only is composite inherently blurry, when looking at component, it's like a whole new, cleaner image!
http://youtu.be/QhozOmrgtcs
^ is there like a how to guide to all this composite component scart stuff. I would like to start learning about this and modding my consoles
Quote from: munchiaz on 05/22/2012, 02:21 AM^ is there like a how to guide to all this composite component scart stuff. I would like to start learning about this and modding my consoles
Which consoles in particular? Many consoles have native RGB output and don't need to be modded, you just need to grab an appropriate scart cable.
The following consoles all output an RGB signal as per standard:
- Master System
- Mega Drive
- 32X
- Saturn
- Dreamcast (can also output VGA via an external box)
- SNES
- Neo Geo AES/CD
- PS1/ PS2
- Probably a few others I'm forgetting
Many consoles also have an RGB signal but it just needs to be amplified, such as the PCE.
Quote from: Frank_fjs on 05/22/2012, 02:54 AMQuote from: munchiaz on 05/22/2012, 02:21 AM^ is there like a how to guide to all this composite component scart stuff. I would like to start learning about this and modding my consoles
Which consoles in particular? Many consoles have native RGB output and don't need to be modded, you just need to grab an appropriate scart cable.
The following consoles all output an RGB signal as per standard:
- Master System
- Mega Drive
- 32X
- Saturn
- Dreamcast (can also output VGA via an external box)
- SNES
- Neo Geo AES/CD
- PS1/ PS2
- Probably a few others I'm forgetting
Many consoles also have an RGB signal but it just needs to be amplified, such as the PCE.
def would like to do this with my SNES, PC duo r and jvc xeye
Quote from: Frank_fjs on 05/21/2012, 11:49 PMQuote from: guest on 05/21/2012, 10:26 PMDifferent SMS systems produced slightly different images as well, but I haven't bothered comparing them in component, since they'd require an audio out mod to play with sound that way.
You mean because of the encoder not having audio outputs? If so, grab a breakout box:
(http://i806.photobucket.com/albums/yy341/shirorisu/DSC04135.jpg)
I just ordered that scart -> component converter. Didn't think about the audio. Need to get me some one of those breakout boxes.
The scart -> component converters work very well, I have the CSY-2100. Why they neglected to provide audio outputs is beyond me, but the breakout box is a simple and effective solution.
Quote from: guest on 05/20/2012, 06:22 PMI have a friend who's got a panasonic plasma TV. All his shit, including Atari 2600, look fine. It's an interesting TV.
I was wondering about that. How were the systems connected, and do you remember the brand?
I stumbled upon this gallery of that room-
http://acidcow.com/pics/32612-cool-gamer-room-17-pics.html
Apparently the owner is proud of his Turbo/PCE stuff.
I can't really see any proudness of his turbo/pce stuff, nor a complete jpn saturn collection.
Rainbow colored PS2s? Looks like sparky's place.
(http://www.smiley-lol.com/smiley/drague/gay/trgay.gif)
Seeing the IFU exposed to the elements without the cover and all that dust and impurities from being next to those unworthy consoles makes me sick
I can vouch for Panasonic plasma TV's. They do tend to have the nicest picture quality and good gaming modes. Samsung is the worst that I've come across re retro gaming, they really don't handle 240p signals well.
Quote from: PunkCryborg on 05/22/2012, 10:43 AMSeeing the IFU exposed to the elements without the cover and all that dust and impurities from being next to those unworthy consoles makes me sick
LMAO!!
Quote from: Frank_fjs on 05/22/2012, 10:51 AMI can vouch for Panasonic plasma TV's. They do tend to have the nicest picture quality and good gaming modes. Samsung is the worst that I've come across re retro gaming, they really don't handle 240p signals well.
Cool, I was actually looking at a few Panasonics awhile back. No bigger than the 42" range either. I wouldn't have the space. I think Plasma will be the way I go in the future. Oh and my CRT isn't going anywhere. That thing might weight a ton and a half but the picture is SO CLEAR!
Quote from: Frank_fjs on 05/22/2012, 02:54 AMQuote from: munchiaz on 05/22/2012, 02:21 AM^ is there like a how to guide to all this composite component scart stuff. I would like to start learning about this and modding my consoles
Which consoles in particular? Many consoles have native RGB output and don't need to be modded, you just need to grab an appropriate scart cable.
The following consoles all output an RGB signal as per standard:
- Master System
- Mega Drive
- 32X
- Saturn
- Dreamcast (can also output VGA via an external box)
- SNES
- Neo Geo AES/CD
- PS1/ PS2
- Probably a few others I'm forgetting
Many consoles also have an RGB signal but it just needs to be amplified, such as the PCE.
JVC X'EYE can be added to the list for native RGB support, at least the US version. I use a Genesis 2 (model 2) scart cable and it works great!