I have a CNC machine and do mostly custom 3D wood designs, and various production/sign jobs.
I also do clear acrylic [better known as plexiglass], and it dawned on me last night to cook something up for the TG16 ,,, And what better than the distinctive logo itself ?
These things look great as is, but they really come to life when some form of concentrated light is applied to an edge. In the examples below, I simply beamed lasers on the edge to illustrate the concept, but in practice, these would sit in a custom base, with LED's of your choice beaming up through the bottom edge, bringing the whole design to life. Other lighting concepts exist, the limit is only the imagination.
This is a prototype, I didn't even bother to clean up the edges [I usually flame polish all but the bottom for a silky smooth edge]. Came out pretty nice, considering it went from concept to reality within the space of a couple of hours. This one is 8 x 6", obviously I could make them pretty much any size I wanted to ,,, But considering the high cost of clear acrylic, this is a pretty good size.
These are .45 thick [almost half an inch] ... The TG design is inverted, then etched into the back. When its turned around, it looks right, and almost looks to be floating within the glass.
Thought I'd share, I have another variation of this design I'll try in a couple of days [with the letters outlined, instead of filled in].
When I do that, I'll post in the sale/trade section, in case anyone wants to do some sales or trades with these [I'm interested in any hucard not on my list in my intro thread].
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Man, for a prototype it's still pretty clean looking. The logo is perfect. Out of the colours you chose I'd say the green is the best. I'd like to see a yellow one though. Very nice work. Maybe you should think of doing up a bunch of them? Say 10 or 20 units? I would buy one off you for my gameroom.
How much would you charge? I love the bottom one!
Thanks for the interest ,,, Hope no one gets sticker shock or think I'm gouging, I'd like to share these with other turbo nuts for the lowest price possible.
Understand, this plexi isn't cheap, as anyone who has priced it out knows. A 36x48" square at home depots is about $40, and that is for 1/8 thick. 1/2 thick would be way more, you have to look around for that cause they don't even stock it.
Most CNC'ers factor in design time, as well as cutting time and material costs, with a markup on all. Design time for this is not a factor ,, I have it designed, now I can make 1, or 1,000, with no additional time spent designing. [Took less than an hour to design anyhow]. Machine time, this one with filled in letters takes about 45 minutes total to set up and cut ,,, The one with the outline letters I'll be doing in a couple days [leaving for a 2 day beach excursion tomorrow] will be more like 30 minutes.
So, rock bottom for me would be $25 for the coming outline design, $35 for the filled in letters + $5 shipping [USA] ,, And as stated, I'd be willing to work out deals for lose hucards as well. I can do other sizes on request, but I feel this is about the optimal size for a tasteful, economical, eye catching display.
The lighting solution would be on you, would really be easy enough to rig up a wood/metal base with a slot with LED's in the bottom, I could do it as an option, but would likely be more than the plexi itself. They do look good just sitting there as it, but just pop to life with a light on the edge.
[There are places that sell bases and lighting specifically for plexi at a pretty reasonable cost, I'll post when I find the links].
That's one amazing looking logo.
Wow. Great work! I might be interested in one when the time comes.
Do you guys think it would look better without the stock square line surrounding the logo ... ?
I kinda do, but then it technically wouldn't be accurate, as the logo was almost always inside a square. In any case, I'll leave that as an option if and when anyone wants to acquire one.
[Could also do a curved radius on the corners, which would almost make it look like a big old hucard]
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Quote from: guest on 08/26/2012, 01:22 AMWow. Great work! I might be interested in one when the time comes.
Ditto. I too am considering getting one, though maybe neon orange.
Guys - Colors will be totally up to you, these are clear as glass, colors come from whatever lighting method you use. I just used green & blue as an example because those are the lasers I had handy, have a powerful red around here somewhere.
You could rig up cheap dollar store lasers to beam at the edge, and it would look great ,,, But in practice, you really need some sort of base with LED's and an on/off switch.
you got my interest as well. fantastic job, i would love to get one.
Definitely interested in one! That would look absolutely awesome in my gameroom! I'd go with orange too... it's the Turbo's color after all
sweet!!
now cnc some turbo gloves and you will rule the earth.
Thanks again for the interest, really glad fellow turbo heads like the concept.
Probably safe to say none like this existed until now ,,, So its rarer than Magical Chase lol !
I'm off for 2 days of metal detecting and babe hunting at a beach/camp, I'll post back with my variations and finished product when I get back - Not the type to pat myself on the back, but this thing is pretty damn cool, don't know why it took me this long to think about it.
Gorgeous!
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Simply gorgeous. :pcgs:
I'd pay a lot more than $60 for something like this. :)
Beautiful. I'll take 2 :D
Plain and simple, I want one of these. Those look damn awesome. Orange would be awesome as it is the original Turbo color, but I'd take one in white too! Great work man. Very cool.
There is a guy on bay that does plexi signs like this and he charged 35-40.00 with the light assy. They prolly arent as big, The Orion one i have is prolly 16" X 10" i think.
I'm sure if you did up a PC Engine one you'd have some sales on your hands as well.
i would love a blue pc engine one
The TG16 logo would look awesome with orange light. Nice work!
Marvelous =D>
ya an orange one would be nice and have you thought about a pc-engine one at all?
Looks sweet! 8)
If the one currently on eBay are the same as the ones I got some years ago, they are 1/4" plexi with cheap fluorescent bulb fixture. Mine arrived in 100 pieces :( (both the plexi and the bulb)
Very nice work!
Nope, never thought of PC engine, I'll see what I can whip up, and am also open to any other ideas, so long as the graphic is fairly simple.
Most sign shops that do edge lit would charge $70 to $100 or so for something like this, but they'd be nailing you mostly for the designing charges, which as I said, are not a factor here for something this simple, and something which I may sell a few of. They also do a pretty drastic markup on materials, and charge a set rate for machine time, usually on the order of $75-$100 an hour. At prices like that, nice as they may be, I don't think many would want them.
I'm cutting another one as we speak, with the curved radius corners, I'll post a pic when able ,,, This one should be a production model, with clean edges.
1/4 plexi has its uses, its cheaper, readily available and probably easier to make a custom stand for. The etch looks just as good, but the design appears to "float" more in the 1/2, due to its thickness ... And also yeah, when the thin stuff is shipped it needs to be boxed, else it will easily fracture. The 1/2 is very solid, you couldn't crack it without making quite an effort to do so. It is basically like bullet proof glass, so if you should happen to drop it, it would not crack ,,, Though they are obviously very prone to scratching and collecting finger prints.
I should have a sale/trade thread up within a couple of days, I genuinely appreciate the compliments coming from fellow turbo heads.
Sweet!
*Fifty clicks NOTIFY button*
Just because I'm curious...
Could you use 2 sheets of 1/4" plexi, and glue/fasten (?) them together?
I think it would be neat to have the tg16 on the front sheet, lit in red, and the outline on the back sheet lit in a different color....
That would be cool! Red/yellow combo for USA TG-16
Old Man, I don't think gluing would be a good option, as it would look nasty with clear acrylic.
Not picturing your concept too well ,,, But you could certainly rig something up as a backing, as it is, if so inclined. I was wondering what an aluminum foil backing would look like ,,, And I sometimes paint the design too.
I did some Stones tongues, looked great clear but I painted one red, and that looked nice too. I think with this, black letters would look nice, maybe I'll try that on my prototype.
Not sure how you'd secure a backing on clear acrylic without it showing, maybe very small amounts of clear drying glue along the edges, or maybe just in the corners.
Here are 2 more I did tonight, both are almost flawless.
[I've been a union carpenter for almost 15 years, and I also sell many crafted things professionally, so I tend to be pretty meticulous with stuff like this. I have a scrap pile, and I'm not shy using it whenever I create something that is not up to my standards].
First one shows the logo outlined instead of filled in. 2nd one doesn't show up all that well, but the corners are a bit rounded. 3rd pic illustrates size with a pack of smokes [they are 100's].
Not sure which style I like best, I think they both are pretty neat looking.
These are all 8x6", I'll probably offer them 10X8" for $10 extra, for those who need something just a bit bigger.
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[Found my red laser]
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I'm surprised I like the outline version as much as I do. I would have thought the solid version would kick it's ass, but it's pretty close for me. That said, I still prefer (just barely) the solid fill.
These are pretty awesome.
I think what OldMan was saying, or maybe not, was to have two layers. Two pieces of acrylic with part of the TG logo on one and part on the other, then light one yellow, and one orange, just like the logo on the console.
Turbografx-16-logo.jpg
[EDIT] BTW, I have no idea how big a pack of 100s is. Could you put a quarter beside it?
Quote from: guest on 08/26/2012, 01:41 PMI'd pay a lot more than $60 for something like this. :)
How about a trade for MC ??
Not that much, Ok !
Once you rig up or purchase a base, get a LED strip, on/off switch, power supply ect, probably will end up having another $20-$30 into it.
[Could make it battery operated as well, which would run LED's damn near forever].
There may be other cheaper lighting solutions, haven't really though much about it. You could simply rig up a cheap laser or 2 to point right on the edge, but lasers I don't think are designed to be on for long periods of time. I got to find a link I had of an outfit selling custom aluminum bases, strips, power supply for under $30, that would be the way to go for most folks for a pro look at a reasonable cost, unless you are good at fabricating yourself.
Quote from: FiftyQuid on 08/27/2012, 11:52 PMI'm surprised I like the outline version as much as I do. I would have thought the solid version would kick it's ass, but it's pretty close for me. That said, I still prefer (just barely) the solid fill.
These are pretty awesome.
I think what OldMan was saying, or maybe not, was to have two layers. Two pieces of acrylic with part of the TG logo on one and part on the other, then light one yellow, and one orange, just like the logo on the console.
Turbografx-16-logo.jpg
[EDIT] BTW, I have no idea how big a pack of 100s is. Could you put a quarter beside it?
Wow, that would be quite an effect.
Possible in theory, I guess what you'd have to work out is the LEDs of one color beaming on one block, then the other color, necessarily very close, beaming on the other. For sure possible, it would take tinkering & rigging.
A possible, and much simpler, alternative would be to paint the letters to your liking, then beam clear light at it - Should light right up in its respective colors just fine, don't see why it wouldn't.
Smoke pack is 4x2 inches.
Quote from: Xray on 08/28/2012, 12:04 AMQuote from: FiftyQuid on 08/27/2012, 11:52 PMI'm surprised I like the outline version as much as I do. I would have thought the solid version would kick it's ass, but it's pretty close for me. That said, I still prefer (just barely) the solid fill.
These are pretty awesome.
I think what OldMan was saying, or maybe not, was to have two layers. Two pieces of acrylic with part of the TG logo on one and part on the other, then light one yellow, and one orange, just like the logo on the console.
Turbografx-16-logo.jpg
[EDIT] BTW, I have no idea how big a pack of 100s is. Could you put a quarter beside it?
Wow, that would be quite an effect.
Possible in theory, I guess what you'd have to work out is the LEDs of one color beaming on one block, then the other color, necessarily very close, beaming on the other. For sure possible, it would take tinkering & rigging.
A possible, and much simpler, alternative would be to paint the letters to your liking, then beam clear light at it - Should light right up in its respective colors just fine, don't see why it wouldn't.
Smoke pack is 4x2 inches.
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QuoteOld Man, I don't think gluing would be a good option, as it would look nasty with clear acrylic.
I thought as much, but was hoping you had a good way to smoothly glue them together :(
QuoteI think what OldMan was saying, or maybe not, was to have two layers. Two pieces of acrylic with part of the TG logo on one and part on the other, then light one yellow, and one orange, just like the logo on the console.
Right, that's the idea. Then part of the logo would float at a different level, giving a 3-d effect. I think painting on the plexi would ruin that effect, but I might be wrong. Maybe painting the logo background black would work...
I was also thinking it might be possible to light the sign with a string of leds; if you covered the edge of the plexi with a tinted platic wrap or plastic, you could use white leds, and get whatever color you wanted. Hide them in some black U-channel (which also holds the layers together) and you would have a pretty professional looking 'poster'.
And totally off topic....Where does one get a CNC machine and learn to use it? There's a couple of things I'd like to make....
I was thinking you could drill holes in the corner and use a level screw to keep them together. Not ideal, but it should work. Then for the 2 different LEDs, I see no reason why you couldn't create a slot in a block of wood, like the kind you'd stand a menu on, and drill holes for 2 rows of different coloured LEDs. You might have to add an opaque layer at the very bottom to stop the colours cross-talking, but it should work?
X-ray, can you hold 2 of your current signs up together and shine a different coloured laser through each?
This is an awesome thread. If I had any more space in my office, I'd totally pick one up. I'll be keeping my eye on these. Thanks! :)
Quote from: Xray on 08/27/2012, 11:35 PMOld Man, I don't think gluing would be a good option, as it would look nasty with clear acrylic.
It's probably not really a DIY solution, but a pvb interlayer (used in window glazing) would work. You'd have to have the smooth sides facing each other, though.
You had me at "Pall"...
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...just kidding. I only smoke COSMOS.
I like the way you guys think ,,, By nature, most forums where guys gravitate, you will find a fair share of thinkers and do it yourselfers.
Very much in CNC, and most any artform, in only limited by the imagination.
The concept of lighting is simple, but the actual implementation can go a number of different routes.
Most guys end up using led strips, with a row on the bottom. In theory, you could surround the whole thing with a strip, since you can literally buy strips 5 ft long, at you are able to cut whatever length you need - Oldman is thinking correctly, some kind of U channel would be just the ticket for a professional, framed look that would also cover the LEDs.
Don't think it would be practical or desirable to drill holes for the LED's ,,, Though that could well be another approach for a different technique and effect.
The neg thing I see about that is the drill path will be very well defined, as well at the etch itself. It wouldn't drill clear, it would leave a drill etch. That may be fine, depending on what you have in mind ,,, You could then stick some conventional LEDs in the holes, wire them in series, and light em up ... But keep in mind that I don't leave much space between the edges and the design, especially on the top and bottom. This is because 1, don't really need to, and 2, to get as much use as possible of the material that I have.
I will try holding 2 together and beaming different color lasers later on, when I got an extra set of hands or 2 to help. Also, I think I will try my idea of painting on the prototype, which actually, all I have to do it finish the edges to make it a production model. I'm just not sure how I'd beam clear concentrated light at the edge.
I also made a PC Engine logo ,,, Didn't cut it yet, I mean I have the file made ready to go, I'll cut that later and post back, should look pretty sweet.
Oldman, CNC, like most anything else, takes alot of commitment, trial and error ect. Like most anything else, you'll get out exactly what you put into it. Alot of guys go in expecting to be cranking out masterpieces on their first day, and are sorely disappointed. There is a steep learning curve, not so much with the machine itself, which is actually only a glorified power tool, but with the software and code to run it.
The cheapest ones start off at around $4,000, they are of the hobbyist nature, and not well suited for even something like this. You need a machine with some balls to cut out a chunk of 1/2 plexi. You can get a nice machine for around $9,000 [about $1,000 alone just for shipping] ... Then you'd need to spend an additional $3,000 or so on software, and learn how to use it.
Rockler wood shops have the upper end hobby machine, CNC Shark pro. if you have a Rockler close by, you could have a look. But as I said, if you want something you can grow into, something more towards the industrial side, the cheapest you can go is about $9,000 - And if you really want to jump in head first, and want something you can cut a 4x8 sheet on, you can spend $30-50,000, easily. My machine is only 3x2 ft, but it suits my purposes ,, But theres no question, I'll be upgrading to a larger machine to expand my horizons at some point.
These are the types of things I usually do, as you can imagine, these 2D plexi etchings are fairly simple compared to these complex 3D exotic wood carvings. Crucifix took about 4 hours to cut, the specialty tapered router bit used cost about $50. Nothing cheap in the world of CNC, but once you are on the right track, you can turn something thats in your mind into something you can hold in your hands, and possibly sell.
Wow Xray.
Really good work on all 3. Very talented. Impressive!
Very cool! I really want one! :D Love to see a TurboDuo and later Duo logo if you find yourself bored and want to make more. :D
Man, I'm just blown away by how awesome these look...
If you do start to progress into producing/selling these please consider one already sold!
Oh, they will be on the sale/trade section soon, I thought they were ready to go, but I've been thinking that I should add 1/2 or so clear space to the bottom, the logo is so close to the bottom now that any sign base will probably cover part of the logo ,,,, Should have thought of that sooner ! I'm just kinda obsessed with cutting out as little as I have to, but looking at the pics, I can see they do need a little more slack at the bottom ,,, Plus, I'm in the habit of making things that are squared and equally proportioned on all sides, thats really why it didn't pop into my mind to do that with these. Thats no prob though, they will be 8.5 x 6 instead of 8 x 6, or I can reduce the size of the logo just a bit, with the extra space at the bottom to accommodate a holder.
But anyone who doesn't feel this may be a problem for them is welcome to pm me for dibs on any one of the 3 pictured. Since I consider them less than perfect, I'll let em go for $20 + $5 shipping USA, $10 international.
Here is the Pc Engine I did today, looks nice.
Pretty small at 6 x 4, I think I need to go just a bit bigger, but the details look pretty sharp, and should look even better bigger.
Here also is a TG I did with the extra space at the bottom, nearly perfect ,,, But the line surrounding the logo is uneven, what happens is the plexi welds itself back into a solid right after it is cut, and it did this more at the bottom than at the top. Really no good way to avoid this, short of spraying it down with water as I cut ,,, So I think I am going to have to leave this box out in production cuts, either that or make it just a bit thicker.
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PCE, bigger and better [8x6]
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Simply gorgeous.
Gorgeous.
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Quote from: esteban on 08/28/2012, 11:39 PMSimply gorgeous.
Agreed. That's the best one yet.
How detailed on acrylic can you get Xray? I was just curious if you could actually carve out an image of the actual PC Engine or TG+16 console.
That would rock!
Sometimes, amazingly detailed.
Sometimes, and often for reasons I don't understand, not. I did a Cadillac crest emblem for a guy I was working with, came out fantastically detailed on the 1st try. Then I tried a Red Wings logo, which is fairly simple, and it took 5 attempts to get something looking decent.
Obviously, a brand new, sharp bit will cut much better than a used dulled one, thats probably where I run into most detail problems, trying to stretch the life of a worn $40 bit. Temperature in my shop can even be a factor, as can feed speeds, spindle speeds ect ... So there are quite a few variables in consistently getting a top notch product.
The program I have generates previews of what any given project is supposed to look like when cut, here is one I'm working on at the request on another member.
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This is exactly what its supposed to look like when cut. It knows what bit I'm using, how deep I'm going, feed speed, spindle speed, material thickness ect, and its supposed to come out as pictured above.
This is 8x6 also ,,, Generally, the bigger the object is, the better detail you can get - And also, you lose detail the deeper you go, so I like to just scratch the surface when detail is required. It literally takes just a scratch for the edge lit affect to work ,, But some projects that don't requite alot of detail, going deeper gives it more of an appearance of depth, so its really can be a balancing act with these projects, with trade offs to be made depending on what is desired.
But its tough to say, until actually cut with a light beaming on the edge, whether it will look kick ass, or just Ok. Often, I will have to do a few prototypes to find out exactly what settings make it look the best. Not ideal, as it wastes both time & $$, but trial & error is sometimes the only solution.
your work is amazing, you have plenty of people intersered in it. i think ou can do as you choose and have people willing to buy. thanks for your effort, and i hope to be a future customer!!!!!!!
Looks great, Xray! I want the console one just as much as the logo one!
Very nice! The PC Engine logo looks fantastic.
i was wondering where id put one...then it hit me..my Bus...that would look sweet! i saw a diy that used one little led tolight a signg up...would that work?
Quote from: 420GOAT on 08/29/2012, 02:12 AMi was wondering where id put one...then it hit me..my Bus...that would look sweet! i saw a diy that used one little led tolight a signg up...would that work?
I'm doubting if a single LED would give off sufficient light to light up a sign of this size good. As best, it would throw up a beam of light, lighting a localized area above it.
Best to use strips like these
LEDStrips.jpg
Now that looks cool
Can you do a picture of the PC Engine one with the red laser? I'm just salivating thinking about it.
Here is the TG system, pretty good I think. Not the greatest judge of my own work, always seems to be room for improvement.
Detail is fairly good, this one is 8x6 as well, but due to the size/angle of the graphic, wasn't able to make use of as much area as with the others.
I'm done with demo's and prototypes, too much time and material, I have 7 stacked up right now ,,, So I'll try to start a sale/trade thread in the next couple days.
Any pictured in this thread are available for pre sale @ $25 shipped USA, will be a bit more in the sales thread ,,,, or pm if you have a hucard trade in mind.
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As per request
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I will take all of your discards. Including this one:
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Thanks for the interest esteban, I'll send a pm to discuss details.
Don't want anyone to think I consider these scrap, they are legit acrylic turbo works of art.
The first couple have some rough edges, which I'll clean up a bit [As I said before, flame polishing works great]. The main detraction of the early pieces was that I didn't leave quite enough clear space to accommodate a holder ,,, But some thinking and tinkering should solve that problem.
I had a thought, I'd go nuts for ones that have Bonk & King Drool. My first thought was one with Bonk(in orange) & another with Drool(in green), but then thought, maybe it'd be better to just have one with both in it, though I don't know what color I would choose...unless there was a decent way to have them lit up orange & green? I did some Googling, & didn't find any particular Bonk & Drool that I'd want, but I know I'd want the Japanese version of them, not the American style. I'm sure if someone could find them online somewhere, there's probably something perfect in one of those old PC Genjin comics. Ofcoarse, I suppose if one with both of them each in a different color wouldn't work, I'd probably just go ahead & have 1 of each made.
Doesn't appear to be an easy way to light multiple colors ,,, I am going to try painting a TG logo with the stock orange/yellow, and see how that looks lit up.
Also am going to try a Bonk, I'll post back with the results. The preview doesn't look at that good to me, but preview is really only a rough idea, you never know if its a dud or a bomb until its cut and lit up.
PCE & console logos are spoken for, never heard back form esteban, so all other demos posted in this thread are available rock bottom $25 shipped USA.
Give esteban a couple days. He always gets back eventually.
A few of the comics can be found here, but none of them have quite what I'd be looking for.
http://bonkzonk.com/comics.ktn
Edit-I did find a Drool that I like, though, I recall there being one where he's pointing at Bonk, I wish I could find that one, I think it was used in an old Die Hard ad. I'll try some more searching, but for now, here's a whole bunch o' Bonks n stuff:
(http://bonkzonk.com/images/magazine/GPCE-1992-Calendar.jpg)
I found the one with Drool pointing!! It's on Esteban's site, though, only half of it is viewable & I imagine Bonk on the left & Drool on the right, so he'd have to be flipped to be pointing at Bonk https://archives.tg-16.com/
AHA, here's the full Drool, now to find the right Bonk. I feel like I'd want one that has Bonk doing that fast motion feet thing where his little feet are detached, but maybe that's not doable?
(https://archives.tg-16.com/archive-four/TF-02-25.jpg)
Ah, I have a better idea, I want the cover art to Shadow of the Beast! :D Kidding!
Ok, I think of everything I've found, I like the big Bonk on the front cover of PC Genjin 3 best
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This is a preview of the Bonk I'm doing ,,, Really not an easy subject to do.
Actual figures/people tend to be better 3d, and graphics 2d.
bonk.jpg
Thanks for being patient, Xray. PM sent earlier today. :pcgs:
Quote from: Bernie on 08/31/2012, 12:41 AMGive esteban a couple days. He always gets back eventually.
Thanks :pcgs:.
Looks awesome so far, though I vastly prefer the big Bonk on this:
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And the Drool on this, but flipped so he's facing left:
https://archives.tg-16.com/archive-four/TF-02-25.jpg
That is, if any of it is possible?
Here is the franchise player, Bonk, in all his edge lit glory.
Came out decent, you SAF can tell who he is, anyhow !
As I said before, I'm done with prototypes and demos, been burning through too much time & plexi with nothing to show for it ... So I intended to offer up this one as a production example.
It has one obvious flaw however ,,, You can see it better in the blue pic, but towards the top of his head there is a razor thin scratch running the width of the piece, and for that reason, I'll offer it $25 shipped, same as the rest here.
[It is literally razor thin, I made the line with a razor by a miscalculation]. This one by far takes the longest to cut, due to Bonks big heads, so they'll go for twice that much on the sales thread.
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ParanoiaDragon, neither of those examples would be suitable to turn into a vector drawing, which I need to do to go on to creating machining files.
[Didn't even see Bonk in the 2nd link]
Quote from: esteban on 08/31/2012, 02:24 PMThanks for being patient, Xray. PM sent earlier today. :pcgs:
Quote from: Bernie on 08/31/2012, 12:41 AMGive esteban a couple days. He always gets back eventually.
Thanks :pcgs:.
No prob brother, shit happens, I know that as well any anyone else.
Dang, stinks that the Jp Bonk can't be done. BITD I prefered the Bonk's Revenge style Bonk(as opposed to Bonk 1 with the glare on his head, & the blue eyes), but over the years, I came to love the Jp Bonk. Still, if someone else doesn't nab that one, I may give in.
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 09/01/2012, 01:25 AMDang, stinks that the Jp Bonk can't be done. BITD I prefered the Bonk's Revenge style Bonk(as opposed to Bonk 1 with the glare on his head, & the blue eyes), but over the years, I came to love the Jp Bonk. Still, if someone else doesn't nab that one, I may give in.
Not that it can't be done ,,, I could probably do it "by hand", and it would take many hours to design, just wouldn't be worth my time.
If I was commissioned to do it, as I often am for various business projects, then it would be worth my time - And thats usually for 3D projects, its pretty rare spending a whole lot of time on 2D, though it does happen, and there are complex 2D works.
[I don't even want to think about Bonk 3D - No ones buying these so far, for sure no one would pay what it would be worth my while to do 3D].
I basically look for simple black & white graphics/images, which can be made into vectored models fairly easily.
Just curious, what cnc software are you using? Both design and cnc programming. I used to do plastic injection moldmaking and I primarily did the cnc work. Its been five years since I did that line of work but I remember fabricating small car parts and such for friends. Most didnt realize what all was involved with cnc machining. They though you just hit a button and blamo there it was. :)
For 3D design I use a number of apps, Solidworks, Autodesk, Aspire, also use CorelDraw to create/modify alot of things to later export to one of those programs for further work. All very expensive programs with a high learning curve. I thought I was getting raped spending $4,000 on a software program until I saw others spending twice and 3 times as much .. I thought Aspire was a bargain, just under $2,000. You simply have to have these programs if you want to advance, so you gotta bite the bullet and pony up.
For basic 2D, I use Cut2D. Both Cut2D & Aspire have the ability to not only design, but also generate the toolpath gcode of the actual cut files [.tap]
The program I use that opens these generated .tap files and actually runs the machine is WinCNC.
All of these I used a copied graphic, traced vectors by hand in Aspire, then made toolpaths in Cut2D with the resulting .dfx file. Really could do it all with just Aspire, but this stuff is relatively simple, and I like the simplicity that the Cut2D interface allows. Not a whole lot of options, because you don't need alot of options.
Whether you are talking about a router [my case], a laser, mill machine, plasma cutter ect, once you learn the basics of CNC, you can apply it to all of them, though of course each one has its own particular designing/setup routines.
We used SolidWorks and TopSolid for most of the design work. For CNC machining we used a program called Cimatron. I think the company that made it was trying to make an all in one software solution for making injection molds. While Cimatron had some good 3d modeling abilities, it wasn't as versatile or advanced as TopSolid was for our applications. Cimatron was excellent at generating tool paths for cutting 3D shapes though. The 3d modeling abilities of Cimatron helped when I had to make electrodes for EDM processes. It wasnt always as simple as just lifting the surfaces you wanted to cut. I often had to tweak the shape etc of the electrode I was wanting to cut in order to make sure A: it was machinable, B: it didnt burn something it wasnt supposed to.
Hardest cut I ever had to do was a 3D undercut on a mold using a 45 degree cutting head mounted in the CNC machine. I had to generate the tool paths as if I was cutting vertically, and then translate the whole thing 45 degrees. Since it was a large expensive mold, it was a very nerve-racking cut. I think I spent two full days on it. I even mounted a piece of aluminum to the top of the mold and did a test cut on it before cutting the actual mold cavity.
What CNC machine are you using, and what sort of cutters? (almost looks like you used some sort of a ball tip cutter in a spiral path) We had several older 40" Fadal VMCs and three newer OKKs (though again, this was 5+ years ago now)
Interesting work, but the long hours, and high stress nature of it made me leave. Nothing worse than working a 100+ hour week, and having something go wrong. That exact mold that I did that crazy undercut on was having trouble fitting together... I worked from 5am on a Saturday til 10am on Monday (left twice for a shower) and still couldn't get it fully closed... boss came in Monday morning and got mad at me because it wasn't done. I left, came back the next day and put in my notice. The money was good, but no money is worth that crap.
I use 65 degree V bits for most 2D work, these are no exceptions. Ball noses don't work well with plexi, at least not the stuff I do. I know some guys who do some incredible 3D works, like "the last supper", in plexi, and they use tapered ball noses. I haven't worked up the nerve to try this myself yet.
RPM & feedrate are critical cutting into plexi ,,, If you don't have the right combo, the plexi will melt and weld itself right back together a second later, leaving a smeared up mess. It will also form and crystallize on the bit itself, which causes it to scratch up everywhere it goes, ruining the piece. Ideally, you like to see flaky little chips being produced from the cuts. This means you are not melting the plexi, and should have good detail and minimal cleanup on the work piece when finished.. Generally, and there are exceptions, low spindle RPM [5,000] + high feed rates [250 ipm] produce the least heat and best results.
You can for sure see some tooling marks in Bonks head, I could probably experiment to reduce or eliminate them, but not worth the while at this point.
I love CNC, maybe cause I do it on the side in my garage and not for a living. I have made $10,000's on it, so it has actually paid for itself, and most of the software ,,, And I have only been at it a couple of years. I also hand fashion alot of things with no CNC at all ,,, Which is something alot of craftsman would think of as almost sacrilegious. Like you said, they think CNC is for any moron who can shell out $10,000 for a machine and push a couple of buttons.
Let em keep thinking that way ! I look at it as just another tool to use for my purposes, and have no problem at all going from hand made to CNC, in fact, I sometimes combine both on the same projects.
Youre making me want to pick up a CNC machine for use at home :P
Dont forget to order a new garage while your at it beamer. lol
Eh I could make it fit.... I'd just have to park the cars outside and have at least 220 ran to the garage (if not 3 phase)
My machine is only 3x2 ft [cut area]. Its actual footprint is a bit bigger, but its not that large of a machine.
Built like a tank though, weighs over 400 lbs, I had to build a custom bench for it, it would crush an average table.
I'd like to upgrade to a 4x8, now that would take up a bit of space - And cost $30,000 +.
No matter how good your dust containment system is, some dust will get in the air, so I wouldn't recommend putting one in a household.
Here is my latest, and it is promising.
I first did the orange 16 logo with some stuff called "1 shot" paint, this is outstanding paint used by signmakers.
Problem here, and its obvious I know, is that its real hard to stay in the lines with a paint brush. As I stated earlier, these designs are just scratched into the plexi, probably around 1/32 [actual depth I use is .007", not sure how that would translate into a fraction]. So there is not much "edge" to guide the paintbrush, and the result looks sloppy.
When I do signs, I often just flood fill the lettering with an eyedropper, and the result looks incredible. Again, not an option here, because there is practically nothing to contain the flow.
So I thought I'd try using a sharpie for the yellow, wasn't expecting much, but it actually looks pretty good. Not nearly as vivid as the paint, but very easy to stay in the lines, and doesn't take much time - I probably spent more time brushing the sloppy 16 than I did with all the letters. As you can see, looks pretty good just sitting there, without any light. I beamed a flashlight on the edge, and the colors lit up pretty good ,,, But of course, a flashlight beam is not concentrated, so this thing just might look stellar using clear high intensity LED's.
I'm going to get an orange sharpie and try it again, this one is available as a prototype, same as the rest.
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Nice work Xray. I wonder if you could post some zoomed out pics? I'm just very curious to see one on the wall or on a desk or something. Would help give me and maybe others a frame of reference :)
I think the Sharpie (yellow) looks pretty damn sweet.
I do too esteban, that vivid paint may actually be a bit too gaudy looking,,, I picked up an orange sharpie today, should have the new & improved model ready later on.
Not a bad idea glazball, I've been doing it like this mostly because I have to hold the laser and take the pic, so an arms length pic has been the only option. I'll see if I can recruit one of my kids or wifey to help later on ,,, They tend to want to stay far away from my projects.
Here is another with both colors done by sharpie, no question that it is superior to paint.
I'd like to do a nice, bright painted one, don't get me wrong ,,, But I see no practical way to do it without it turning out looking like shit.
These would be ideal for those who don't want to edge light them, as they stand out pretty good in just normal light.
Still open to question what they would look like properly edge lit, I'm thinking "jaw dropping" might be a good guess.
2nd shot is for size perspective, resting on the gantry of my machine, a 19.2 v drill in the foreground.
These prototype painted signs are available for $30 shipped USA.
[Getting a little confusing here. Prototype console, pce and bonk are no longer available]
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That's pretty damn impressive.
the pc engine one looks amazing would love to get one for my duo rx but seems like the signs are really small how much larger do you think youll go when your finally completely done designing?
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Is it just me or is the logo not centered in the square? The "T" in Turbo looks further away from the border than the "O" in Turbo. Or is that how the logo actually looks? Damnit... *Fifty heads off to look at his TG paraphernalia for a comparison*.
[EDIT] If you look at the "X" in Grafx it's really in a corner.
I'd be interested in buying one of these... hit me up a price for a blue one. Do ya take paypal?
I'm pretty sure all you get is the engraved plexiglass and you have to come up with your own lighting (aside from the most recent round where he's started hand coloring in elements).
I know, that's fine with me... I'd rather build the rest anyway. :) Building a lighted box isn't hard, and this would look so bloody awesome in my office.
looks amazing ! How do we order one ?
Quote from: mac on 09/04/2012, 05:09 AMlooks amazing ! How do we order one ?
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12903.0
Quote from: FiftyQuid on 09/03/2012, 08:57 PMQuote from: Xray on 09/02/2012, 09:18 PM(http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Xraywolf/222/1-20.jpg)
Is it just me or is the logo not centered in the square? The "T" in Turbo looks further away from the border than the "O" in Turbo. Or is that how the logo actually looks? Damnit... *Fifty heads off to look at his TG paraphernalia for a comparison*.
[EDIT] If you look at the "X" in Grafx it's really in a corner.
I am not doing the square box line around the logo anymore, they are more problems than they are worth. I went into that in a little detail somewhere in this thread.
These are demos/prototypes, any new ones I cut will not have this line.
Things are getting a little confusing, I apologize. These designs have been through numerous and rapid revisions, and I can't claim 100% perfection in all cases - Though thats exactly what I strive for. This little project came out of the blue and morphed into more than I thought it would, and I appreciate the responses and interest.
PM sent rover.
TG 3D ?
Been playing around with the design of this one ,,, Actually close to being ready to cut, but not sure if there is a point.
Would be a 4-5 hour cut, so would not be feasible to offer them for a "decent" price. I'm thinking this would look soooo sweet cut out of a nice chunk of walnut, or even cedar.
I think what I'll do, if this actually ever advances to the cutting stage, is just cut it out of cheap MDF, which actually holds detail very well ,,, I have these special and expensive paints that realistically simulate old rusted iron, or aged copper. That would look great, I'll post back if I ever do it.
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Wow, that looks nice! I hope3 that you do go ahead and try to make one of these.
Do it! Cherry wood would be killer. What kind of price are we talking? $100?
Let me play with it a bit, for any potential sales yeah I'd almost have to keep it under $100.
I should be able to knock the machining time about in half by sacrificing a little detail and/or using a larger bit ,, But I'm not a big fan of compromises, so we'll see how it goes.
I am going to make one myself for like 30-50$$
Step 1: blow the logo up at Kinkos, make a stencil
Step 2: Paint it onto a sheet of acrylic or something with dayglo paint
step 3: UV keychains
Or you could just use bright ass LED keychains instead. You can get those things like, 3 for 2$.
Last time I checked, some plexiglass wasn't that expensive, and dayglo paint is dirt cheap.
QuoteLast time I checked, some plexiglass wasn't that expensive
Thin plexi isn't. He's not using that 1/8" stuff, though.
Would be neat to see one with the black-light leds and dayglo colors, though....
Quote from: guest on 09/05/2012, 05:04 PMI am going to make one myself for like 30-50$$
Step 1: blow the logo up at Kinkos, make a stencil
Step 2: Paint it onto a sheet of acrylic or something with dayglo paint
step 3: UV keychains
Or you could just use bright ass LED keychains instead. You can get those things like, 3 for 2$.
Last time I checked, some plexiglass wasn't that expensive, and dayglo paint is dirt cheap.
Nothing wrong with stencils, I have been making them since I was a kid, and still do.
I think you are not quite grasping the concept of edge lit signs though. It is the engraved etching which catches the light when the edge is lit, and makes it appear as though the letters are lit. Simply stenciling a pattern to the back won't light a thing, though it may look cool in its own right. It must be etched for the design to be edge lit.
Keep in mind, it would be almost impossible to simply spray paint on a design without having the paint bleed through the edges of the stencil, looking like shit. Also, if you do try this ,,, [And you could likely do it on your PC without having to go to kinkos, especially the way they freak out over any copyrighted logos], make sure to flip the image horizontally, that way it will look right when you look at it from the front.
You'll need something with far more power than a keychain gadget to light these up, unless your design is keychain size [some guys actually do make them that small].
As far as pricing, I'm not saying this shit it worth its weight in gold. It is surprisingly expensive to anyone who has not priced it out.
As stated, 1/2 is not easily available, you might be able to special order it, but chain home improvement stores stock nothing thicker than 1/4 ,,, And that shit is fairly expensive itself.
Here is one of the first results that turned up in a google search of "1/2 plexiglass"
http://www.jmkdisplays.com/sheet.html
I imagine their prices are competitive, else they wouldn't be in business.
1 square foot of 1/8 plexi is $3 - 1 square foot of 1/2 is $13 ... And thats not including the cutting charge, or shipping.
Here is another place
http://setshop.com/photo-backgrounds/plexiglas $375 for a 4x8 ft sheet of 1/2 plexi, I'm guessing shipping on something this size and weight would be well over $100, probably more like $200.
1 square foot - I couldn't even make 2 8x6's with a chunk that size, just 1. And keep in mind, when the final product is 8x6, the actual piece I use is more like 9x7. You have to allow yourself some slack on all sides when you make any cut, so the blank must be oversized.
With most wood, I can get away with 1/2 oversize on all sides, but thats cutting it very close. For these, I leave an extra inch or more on the height and on the width, to make sure I don't fuck up. Positioning on CNC is itself somewhat of an artform, and takes a while to get good at.
I have botched quite a few pieces and wrecked quite a few expensive router bits trying to conserve material, cutting it too close and running over a hold down screw. Thats just another reason why any old Joe could not do this on the first day, or week even - And thats one reason why people pay other people to do stuff like this.
I have the equipment, material and expertise to crank out a professional looking product at a reasonable price - You don't.
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Quote from: Xray on 09/05/2012, 07:30 PMSNIP
I have the equipment, material and expertise to crank out a professional looking product at a reasonable price - You don't.
Hey man, I really like your signs and plan on ordering one after payday. Having said that, you might want to tone down this last part. I don't know if Ark has the ability to crank out a similar sign or not, but he most certainly has made professional looking products before—he's one of maybe a handful of people to actually release a homebrew game for the TG and I assure you it's quite professional. :)
Anyway, like I said, not a knock on you or your work. What you've done is truly amazing and I can't wait to have one! :)
Quote from: Sadler on 09/05/2012, 08:13 PMQuote from: Xray on 09/05/2012, 07:30 PMSNIP
I have the equipment, material and expertise to crank out a professional looking product at a reasonable price - You don't.
Hey man, I really like your signs and plan on ordering one after payday. Having said that, you might want to tone down this last part. I don't know if Ark has the ability to crank out a similar sign or not, but he most certainly has made professional looking products before—he's one of maybe a handful of people to actually release a homebrew game for the TG and I assure you it's quite professional. :)
Anyway, like I said, not a knock on you or your work. What you've done is truly amazing and I can't wait to have one! :)
You are right, wasn't meaning to toot my own horn, or demean the creative abilities of others.
I am talking about acrylic edge lit in particular though, and as far as that goes, from what he said its easy to tell that he doesn't have the equipment, material or expertise to crank out a professional looking product at a reasonable price .. Else he wouldn't have been talking about simply spray painting a dayglo stencil on a piece of plexiglass.
When you are talking with someone who has experience in a field that you are knowledgeable in, its easy to tell - But thats not to say I'm the #1 go to guy in the USA for edge lit signs, I'm still learning, and enjoying it.
I'm always interested to hear what others are into, I admire anything creative.
Having done CNC machining myself. I understand the effort and expense that goes into it. Experienced CNC operators are well paid for a reason. Its high precision work that has very high costs when failures occur. What xray is making here is fantastic IMO. A neat unique piece of retro decor :D
Thanks for offering these to the community for an affordable price! Even though I've ordered a couple, I still hope I win that raffle. :P
Any chance of a fluorescent colored plexi? Engrave it. slap a black lite on the edge, the letters should glow.
Not sure what "fluorescent colored" would be ??
They do make plexi in a variety of tints, might be hard/expensive to get ahold of.
I have a plexi shop around me thats about a 40 mile round trip, worth it if I was to get a whole sheet of it, but not for a little chunk. Ordering online, I'd get raped by shipping. So while I generally could cut into anything for custom work, the buyer would have to foot the costs.
A couple folks have asked, to clarify, I have 3 prototypes left for $25 each shipped.
The 2 painted ones, and the TG logo outline one.
Fluorescent as in DayGlo, as in UV reactant jive.
Like what I said I would do.
Quote from: guest on 09/06/2012, 04:09 PMFluorescent as in DayGlo, as in UV reactant jive.
Like what I said I would do.
No, he said "engrave it", you had in mind painting a stencil, big difference.
Your idea could be cool in its own right, if you can find a way to avoid paint bleed - Post a pic if you ever get around to it.
I do have a large chunk of 1/4" smoked plexi, people use it as a sun reducer in windows on patios ect. Not sure if it would lend itself well to edge lighting, I'm doubting it.
I also have some pure white, would look great with a normal front engraving, and the design filled in with epoxy paint ,, That would be somewhat of a project though.
Yeah, engraved fluorescent plexiglass crap. They make that.
It's really easy to avoid paint bleeding with stencils. You just use thick cardboard and tape it down securely.
No, it is not really easy.
We are not talking about stenciling something on a bathroom wall here. The slightest imperfection on plexi will stand out like a hairy green zit on a tit.
Cutting out the design by hand in thick cardboard ? You are almost guaranteed to have wavy lines, and a fuzzy edge which will absorb paint, and transfer it to the plexi. Things like this are done via silkscreen, or cut out sticky vinyl.
Prove me wrong, and post a pic !
You know you're feeding these guys right? I'm pretty sure Arkhan is joking with you.
Maybe so.
If he is or not, its a valid idea ,,,, But easier to talk about than produce.
Xray is going to start ignoring Arkhan, soon. He's getting too lippy.
Chris
You are like a bad case of diarrhea jabba, keeps running n running !
Any other threads you can lamely troll ?
Quote from: CGQuarterly on 09/06/2012, 10:29 PMXray is going to start ignoring Arkhan, soon. He's getting too lippy.
Chris
You mean ignore and yet not ignore, because contradiction is the order of the day. All part of the path of the high road.
Quote from: Xray on 09/06/2012, 10:35 PMYou are like a bad case of diarrhea jabba, keeps running n running !
Any other threads you can lamely troll ?
Sounds like it's time to change your tampon. While you're at it, stick one in both holes.
Chris
I fail to see why xray got annoyed by that post. I guess I'm missing something here.
Quote from: CGQuarterly on 09/06/2012, 10:29 PMXray is going to start ignoring Arkhan, soon. He's getting too lippy.
Chris
Quote from: Xray on 09/06/2012, 10:35 PMYou are like a bad case of diarrhea jabba, keeps running n running !
Any other threads you can lamely troll ?
He doesn't like having his oversensitivity pointed out to him, I guess.
This must be his first time around with the internets.
Chris
These 2 peons are forum trolls, vying with each other who can come up with the cleverest 1 liners.
Even with me not directly replying to them, they simply do not have the ability to resist.
On the + side, they keep bumping my thread, which may result in more sales [have sold 9 so far, including a custom 10x8].
Quote from: Xray on 09/07/2012, 02:36 PMEven with me not directly replying to them
Quote from: Xray on 09/06/2012, 10:35 PMYou are like a bad case of diarrhea jabba, keeps running n running !
Any other threads you can lamely troll ?
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 09/06/2012, 10:57 PMYou mean ignore and yet not ignore, because contradiction is the order of the day. All part of the path of the high road.
Huh. Doesn't seem like trolling to me when you compare them to other forums out there.
Quote from: Xray on 09/07/2012, 02:36 PMThese 2 peons are forum trolls, vying with each other who can come up with the cleverest 1 liners.
Even with me not directly replying to them, they simply do not have the ability to resist.
On the + side, they keep bumping my thread, which may result in more sales [have sold 9 so far, including a custom 10x8].
We're definitely not "vying with each other". It's more of a team effort. I can't speak for the professor, but I only do it because it's hypocritical for you to treat us like "trolls" while acting the way you do, considering some of the low-blow things you've said to people. Also, you obviously have a stick wedged up your butt. If someone starts flaming me on the forums, I just laugh right along with them. If someone told me to choke on a bag of cocks, I would just chuckle and move on. But you have to address every comment, and that just keeps us going.
BUT, since you have a cool product there that's only tainted by your own shitty attitude...
FREE BUMP! Buy a sign from this guy!
Chris
Like all you said was he's going to start ignoring someone else because he's getting too lippy. Then in response he compares you to nonstop sh#t. I'm new to this whole ordeal but from just what I've seen so far I think that repsonse to jibbajaba seems uncalled for. I probably missed a lot of other stuff.
This is what Xray doesn't understand. I'm the diarrhea, but he's the undercooked chicken. It takes two to tango.
Chris
The part of the story that you might have missed is how JibbaJabba has been stalking him across multiple threads on the forum, like a persistent case of bad diarrhea.
Quote from: Drakon on 09/07/2012, 04:18 PMLike all you said was he's going to start ignoring someone else because he's getting too lippy. Then in response he compares you to nonstop sh#t. I'm new to this whole ordeal but from just what I've seen so far I think that repsonse to jibbajaba seems uncalled for. I probably missed a lot of other stuff.
It's not "multiple threads", it's this one and his raffle thread, and he popped his head into my latest raffle thread to leave a comment. So again, it takes two to tango.
Chris
Xray is doing cool stuff with the signs. If you've got beef there's a thread devoted to him in Fighting Street. I sling more mud around here than I should, but I hate to see productive topics cluttered with personal vendettas.
Lol thanks VestCunt ... There are actually 2 threads about me, posted by the usual 2 obsessed suspects.
This thread could certainly use a good cleansing, shame that off topic banter and petty forum vendettas are allowed to intrude on "productive topics", to steal a phrase from you.
I'm still thinking of buying. None of this has deterred me.
No time limit on these Fifty, I could produce one next month just as well as tomorrow.
My limiting factor is plexi, I have a decent stock, but have other projects with it going on. When and if I have to get another sheet, I'll probably go with 1/4, which looks just as nice, and is cheaper and easier to cut.
Quote from: Xray on 09/07/2012, 11:32 PMLol thanks VestCunt... There are actually 2 threads about me, posted by the usual 2 obsessed suspects.
This thread could certainly use a good cleansing, shame that off topic banter and petty forum vendettas are allowed to intrude on "productive topics", to steal a phrase from you.
Hypocrite much? :roll:
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12981.msg255790#msg255790
Quote from: Xray on 09/07/2012, 12:25 AMSign me up jabber, I'll donate all the proceeds to abused retards !
Considering I don't really know either of these guys. Seeing Xray sort of "lose it" a little in his own thread may make it harder for people to trust buying from him. If there's beef, why not keep the retarded stuff in pm?
Care to explain just how much of a racist piece of crap you are Xray? Are you one of those all out racist, or are you a closet racist who only believes in white power from behind anonymous forum ids on racist forums?
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12979.msg256394#msg256394
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 09/09/2012, 03:45 PMCare to explain just how much of a racist piece of crap you are Xray? Are you one of those all out racist, or are you a closet racist who only believes in white power from behind anonymous forum ids on racist forums?
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12979.msg256394#msg256394
And with that, I'm out of here - permanently.
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 09/09/2012, 03:45 PMCare to explain just how much of a racist piece of crap you are Xray? Are you one of those all out racist, or are you a closet racist who only believes in white power from behind anonymous forum ids on racist forums?
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12979.msg256394#msg256394
At first I thought it was a joke. But it seems that's seriously his desktop and xray doesn't deny it. Uhm....wow....that's just gross.
WHERE HAVE ALL THE FLOWERS GONE?
And, what the fuck happened to our (usually) non-evil forums?
You see, I know the world is ugly and evil. That's why I try to spend some free time talking about goofy shit like video games.
OK, I'm grabbing a coffee and hoping that the rest of the threads here haven't grown thorns that drip poison. Wish me luck...
Quote from: esteban on 09/09/2012, 10:34 PMWHERE HAVE ALL THE FLOWERS GONE?
And, what the fuck happened to our (usually) non-evil forums?
You see, I know the world is ugly and evil. That's why I try to spend some free time talking about goofy shit like video games.
OK, I'm grabbing a coffee and hoping that the rest of the threads here haven't grown thorns that drip poison. Wish me luck...
Much luck, Very Much luck my friend, if anyone can bring peace and harmony to the forums it is you!
Well, this has certainly gotten interesting when it comes to our fairly new resident character-assassin, XRay... It's much worse than we thought! Let's try to take it from the top, shall we?
* XRay, who showed up not more than a month ago, gets into a flame war with Bernie/Arkhan/Professor (mainly) in the Michael Jackson thread (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12893.0) where he eventually accuses them -- and
effectively anyone else who believes in the possibility/plausibility of Michael Jackson's innocence -- of being boy-loving, ass-shoving pedophiles themselves and/or sympathizers!!! How's THAT for a first impression ????
* Bernie reaches out to bury the hatchet which appears to happen, but XRay's arrogance (and extremism) with regard to the original argument reveals itself again with his last sentence in that thread: "
Now I'm just waiting for a "Was Hitler really such a bad guy" thread to really get things going !"
* That sarcastic comment prompted tggodfrey to create a new thread called "Hitler....villian or victem" (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12930.0). Sure enough, his prediction about "really getting things going" would come to pass, but not in his favor!!
* XRay couldn't help but monitor that thread knowing that his comment inspired its creation and inside he eventually found criticism by me and eventually others. Well, suffice to say, the little darling did not approve of further criticism for what happened in the Michael Jackson thread and basically sought to deter it by demonstrating more of his very intimidating flaming prowess to us...
* Long story short, the thread was locked and Professor starting doing some minor investigative work on ole XRay given how "popular" he's become around here given the above as well as for these TG-16 lit signs of his that many people want...
Note: The first pieces of evidence come from XRay's own blunder of posting an image of his desktop and the last 2 come from Professor's further digging into the guy's background by finding his ebay and photobucket accounts.
Exhibit A - Nazi Jet with swastikas on both wingsSource:
xrayracistdesktop.jpg
(Preserved in case he makes it disappear! Notice XRay the XGay needs a daily flood of hetero in his face to prevent another relapse! Heh-heh! He says he's a father of 5, so it doesn't bother him his kids or his woman might see that desktop...)
(https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12903.0;attach=1230;image)
Exhibit B - A flag with a SS Bolt in the middle - some kind of Nazi-type either way, I am not sure!(https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12903.0;attach=1232;image)
The SS superseded the SA!
Exhibit C - An ebay listing of his selling a sign of the Nazi SA Insignia!!!!http://www.ebay.com/itm/German-SA-insignia-1-2-inch-clear-acrylic-not-WW2-Nazi-era-Edge-lit-sign-/ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/German-SA-insignia-1-2-inch-clear-acrylic-not-WW2-Nazi-era-Edge-lit-sign-/140845698073?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20cb0ecc19#ht_1787wt_1121)
Ebay Account: http://myworld.ebay.com/xraywolf.69/?_trksid=p4340.l2559
(https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12903.0;attach=1236;image)
The Nazi SA was what brought Hitler to power in Germany and later it had to be purged because it was too violent and independent, etc.
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/Sturmabteilung.asp
For what reason would you want the symbol of this dark part of history to live on, let alone try to profit off of it ?? C'mon people, look at the whole picture with this bastard!!!!!!!
Exhibit D - A highly offensive/disgusting racist animated GIF of Michelle Obama transforming into a monkey!The actual link to his photobucket account is here for verification. For those of you that don't know, Michelle is the wife of the current president of the United States (And no, RegalSin, you stupid fuck, this wasn't Condi Rice!)
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Xraywolf/222/mob.gif - "Chimp" racism morphing found on chimpout.com, a complete racist site!
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Xraywolf/222/1-13.jpg - ACCOUNT MATCH TO HIS TG-16 SIGN!!
(https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12903.0;attach=1234;image)
I've only attached a picture in case he decides to start making evidence disappear and I don't want it animating in the thread. Basically, the GIF takes Michelle's image and morphs it into the monkey seen here. You get the idea!
So, ask yourself the following question, ladies and gentlemen, is this a guy who you want to be doing business with ??? Is it ???? To borrow Jibbajaba's wit, do you really wanna buy a TG-16 sign made off the very same machine that was used to create Nazi SA Insignia signs by a racist/extremist asshole that went as far as slandering fellow board members as pedophiles and/or sympathizers?
I think the answer is clear!Quote from: FiftyQuid on 09/09/2012, 09:36 PMNot that anyone cares, but after seeing the evidence I am no longer considering a purchase and won't be visiting this thread (or any by Xray) again.
Nonsense! You made the right decision! This freak should NOT be getting ANYBODY'S business!
I'm glad people are posting about xray I think all potential buyers should know who they're doing business with. I had a client try to make a paypal claim against me without contacting me first. Then he threatened legal action against me over 100$. I did a google search on this guy and found his deviantart account full of just....disturbing hand drawn girl pictures.
In case anyone needs further evidence of what we're dealing with, here's some new information that I've found.
Xray has the following image on his photobucket account:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Xraywolf/gods.jpg
The only place on the internet where this image was used was in a thread on chimpout (http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?78559-Barrack-Hussein-a-movie-star-before-politics) posted by a guy named "Shonuff". Now, either Xray put this image in his photobucket account and never personally used it, or Xray = Shonuff.
Here are some other things posted under the handle "Shonuff". This is just a small sampling. Again, Xray may or may not be the same person.
http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?82394-Without-abortion-nigger-infestation-would-be-much-worse
http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?80827-Nigger-mouth-bling-for-sale-by-Nashville-cops
http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?77655-McDonalds-black-only-web-site
Here's one of his photobucket pics being used in a thread about the Trayvon Martin shooting, although ostensibly he isn't actually involved in the conversation.
http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?253077-I-need-your-help-guys-and-girls!
If nothing else, this suggests the kind of circles that this guy runs in. I'm pretty sure that none of the images I have posted on the net are being used in racist/white supremacist forums, and I'm definitely not selling Nazi-related signage on eBay.
Chris
Quote from: esteban on 09/09/2012, 10:34 PMWHERE HAVE ALL THE FLOWERS GONE?
And, what the fuck happened to our (usually) non-evil forums?
You see, I know the world is ugly and evil. That's why I try to spend some free time talking about goofy shit like video games.
shouldn't be completely shocking seeing how this garbage juice surrounds the usual same suspect. frozenintears, then Swiss, then fenix, now this guy, seems that these disagreements or even arguments would maybe go on for a day or two, but with the crazy trolling powers turned up to 5000 we get unneeded posts, derailed threads and name calling all over the place.
Thanks Mike.
Hmmm...just saw the link to his SA signs on ebay. Not cool. Move along, Xray!
Granted his signs are pretty cool, But I would much rather give my money to someone who's life isn't filled with hate for someone cause they have different skin.
Newsflash Xray if it wasn't for people of different color you wouldn't be ejoying the finer things in life. Time for you to move on now.
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 09/10/2012, 04:59 PMQuote from: esteban on 09/09/2012, 10:34 PMWHERE HAVE ALL THE FLOWERS GONE?
And, what the fuck happened to our (usually) non-evil forums?
You see, I know the world is ugly and evil. That's why I try to spend some free time talking about goofy shit like video games.
shouldn't be completely shocking seeing how this garbage juice surrounds the usual same suspect. frozenintears, then Swiss, then fenix, now this guy, seems that these disagreements or even arguments would maybe go on for a day or two, but with the crazy trolling powers turned up to 5000 we get unneeded posts, derailed threads and name calling all over the place.
Thanks Mike.
ThisQuote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 09/10/2012, 04:59 PMQuote from: esteban on 09/09/2012, 10:34 PMWHERE HAVE ALL THE FLOWERS GONE?
And, what the fuck happened to our (usually) non-evil forums?
You see, I know the world is ugly and evil. That's why I try to spend some free time talking about goofy shit like video games.
shouldn't be completely shocking seeing how this garbage juice surrounds the usual same suspect. frozenintears, then Swiss, then fenix, now this guy, seems that these disagreements or even arguments would maybe go on for a day or two, but with the crazy trolling powers turned up to 5000 we get unneeded posts, derailed threads and name calling all over the place.
Thanks Mike.
This is a painfully shortsighted comment. even if you don't agree with his methods he is far from being the only person to call out the people you have named above. More importantly, to many people were dazzled by a lighted piece of plastic , to pay attention to what happened to bernie. If not for mike would this guy be getting his? If he were not selling said piece of plastic, everybody would be in fighting street right now having a field day on him would they not? laying it all on mike despite the participation of many other members including me is being painfully selective. just my two cents.
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 09/10/2012, 04:59 PMQuote from: esteban on 09/09/2012, 10:34 PMWHERE HAVE ALL THE FLOWERS GONE?
And, what the fuck happened to our (usually) non-evil forums?
You see, I know the world is ugly and evil. That's why I try to spend some free time talking about goofy shit like video games.
shouldn't be completely shocking seeing how this garbage juice surrounds the usual same suspect. frozenintears, then Swiss, then fenix, now this guy, seems that these disagreements or even arguments would maybe go on for a day or two, but with the crazy trolling powers turned up to 5000 we get unneeded posts, derailed threads and name calling all over the place.
Thanks Mike.
Yeah, you're totally right, totally my fault that Nintega decided to keep trolling the place and its members both here and on youtube well after I left, or that Swiss, who I had not even heard of until just recently, decided to stick around and change his name to Canada, where as I was then finally explained the situation surrounding him. Yeah, all totally my fault. Its probably also my fault that you only posted less then 100 times since joining late last year, or that Demonoid was shut down, or why many cola companies abandoned sugar cane in favor of corn syrup cola. All the actions of others are all totally my fault. True story. :roll:
Not sure where that comment even came from. It's not professor's fault that we've had a recent influx of undesirables. And I agree with Herc. Too many people were blinded by sparkly signs. The minute that guy got into it with Bernie, he should have been out on his ass. I guess "the line" is somewhere in between disrespecting Bernie, and hating black people. I guess I'm glad that the line lies to the left of the hatred, but I wish it were also to the left of flaming long-time respected members.
Chris
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 09/10/2012, 04:59 PMshouldn't be completely shocking seeing how this garbage juice surrounds the usual same suspect. frozenintears, then Swiss, then fenix, now this guy, seems that these disagreements or even arguments would maybe go on for a day or two, but with the crazy trolling powers turned up to 5000 we get unneeded posts, derailed threads and name calling all over the place.
Thanks Mike.
Boy did you pick some bad examples. I don't remember what the deal with Fenix was, but Frozenintears/Nintega is a racist, death-threat-sending psychopath stalker; Canada is a gouger, a profiteer, and a liar using multiple PCEFX and ebay accounts for various shenanigans; and Xray is, at best, a Nazi sympathizer. This forum is basically moderated and without members denouncing these scumbags people would be doing business with them. Professorson definitely goes where the action is and, IMO, has been a little quick to pounce on some noobs in the past, but I don't read every post in Fighting Street and without him "derailing" this thread I probably would have bought a sign from Xray. My German great-Grandfather was dragged off and killed by the Gestapo for using a little too much freedom of speech in his newspaper and I have no tolerance for this BS. Sure, the Nazi's had some aesthetic sensibilities when designing their propaganda, but anyone reproducing or idolizing the symbolism of mass murderers is an idiot and it's important for them to know exactly how small their racist, intolerant world is.
Don't they hate on asians too? And brown people? And anyone who's....not white and pasty?
Quote from: CGQuarterly on 09/10/2012, 06:57 PMNot sure where that comment even came from. It's not professor's fault that we've had a recent influx of undesirables. And I agree with Herc. Too many people were blinded by sparkly signs. The minute that guy got into it with Bernie, he should have been out on his ass. I guess "the line" is somewhere in between disrespecting Bernie, and hating black people. I guess I'm glad that the line lies to the left of the hatred, but I wish it were also to the left of flaming long-time respected members.
Chris
Wow, you guys are literally nutting all over each other over this - I'd bet 10 to 1 that the majority of you still live with your mothers, no question about it.
Shouldn't expect anything more from Michael Jackson admirers.
As far as ideology, I'm not an absolutist, as most of you haters apparently fancy yourselves. I'm sure there are some things in the Nazi "platform", that I'd agree with, others, not. Can't say I ever studied it [believe it or not!]
I do designs that I think are attractive, and that have the potential to sell. As stated, I'd have no prob doing a star of David [what would uncle Adolph have thought of that??] I have done islamic things for muslims such as "God is Great!" and the crescent moon & star.
I've done Glock logos for guys into guns, and I am attracted to designs which I think look nice. No question about it, German designs are nice - And it might interest you bleeding heart wussies to know that alot of jews are into Nazi collecting.
Most of you I'm sure are painfully uncreative, and couldn't come up with something nice that you designed and made yourself to save your lives ,, So you wouldn't have a good grasp about developing an eye for designs that have potential. Prof, for instance - Spends the majority of his life posting on gaming/computer forums ,, About the next great motherboard ! Or the best way to utilize 4gb of RAM ect. Wow, thats exciting ! I'd love to see a guy like this honestly post his life experiences and employment history. I know I'd laugh my ass off, get bored to tears after 3 paragraphs, then actually feel sorry for anyone who chooses to lead such a pathetic existence.
But enough of all that, you guys are on a roll and are probably having the most excitement you've had all summer, so I'll let you get back to that uninterrupted.
Prof & NightFag have probably splooged all over their keyboards half a dozen times this past 24 hours.
I have sold a dozen + signs, everyone that has bought so far has been more than content .. Don't want one cause I'm an evil guy that likes white chicks & German designs ?
Keep your $$, I'll keep my signs, simple. Unlike the majority of you, I have a life and a job, these are barely even worth my while to do.
That's very interesting, now take a hike.
Quote from: Xray on 09/10/2012, 10:46 PMWow, you guys are literally nutting all over each other over this - I'd bet 10 to 1 that the majority of you still live with your mothers, no question about it.
Shouldn't expect anything more from Michael Jackson admirers.
As far as ideology, I'm not an absolutist, as most of you haters apparently fancy yourselves. I'm sure there are some things in the Nazi "platform", that I'd agree with, others, not. Can't say I ever studied it [believe it or not!]
I do designs that I think are attractive, and that have the potential to sell. As stated, I'd have no prob doing a star of David [what would uncle Adolph have thought of that??] I have done islamic things for muslims such as "God is Great!" and the crescent moon & star.
I've done Glock logos for guys into guns, and I am attracted to designs which I think look nice. No question about it, German designs are nice - And it might interest you bleeding heart wussies to know that alot of jews are into Nazi collecting.
Most of you I'm sure are painfully uncreative, and couldn't come up with something nice that you designed and made yourself to save your lives ,, So you wouldn't have a good grasp about developing an eye for designs that have potential. Prof, for instance - Spends the majority of his life posting on gaming/computer forums ,, About the next great motherboard ! Or the best way to utilize 4gb of RAM ect. Wow, thats exciting ! I'd love to see a guy like this honestly post his life experiences and employment history. I know I'd laugh my ass off, get bored to tears after 3 paragraphs, then actually feel sorry for anyone who chooses to lead such a pathetic existence.
But enough of all that, you guys are on a roll and are probably having the most excitement you've had all summer, so I'll let you get back to that uninterrupted.
Prof & NightFag have probably splooged all over their keyboards half a dozen times this past 24 hours.
I have sold a dozen + signs, everyone that has bought so far has been more than content .. Don't want one cause I'm an evil guy that likes white chicks & German designs ?
Keep your $$, I'll keep my signs, simple. Unlike the majority of you, I have a life and a job, these are barely even worth my while to do.
Your example is poor.
I couldn't start selling Klan hoods and justify it to my minority friends or to my family by saying something like:
"Somebody has got to sell them hoods it might as well be me, but it's OK because I donate some of the profit to the NAACP, and go to church every Sunday."
Nobody is making an issue of the religious signs in your example regardless of if they believe it or not because those symbols don't have any negative meaning.
You might have gotten on some people's bad sides b/c of the initial argument, which most of us kept out of, but you can't be surprised that people are disgusted by the white power symbols, or take shots at us all as a group b/c we don't like it.
Quote from: Xray on 09/10/2012, 10:46 PMWow, you guys are literally nutting all over each other over this - I'd bet 10 to 1 that the majority of you still live with your mothers, no question about it.
Shouldn't expect anything more from Michael Jackson admirers.
As far as ideology, I'm not an absolutist, as most of you haters apparently fancy yourselves. I'm sure there are some things in the Nazi "platform", that I'd agree with, others, not. Can't say I ever studied it [believe it or not!]
I do designs that I think are attractive, and that have the potential to sell. As stated, I'd have no prob doing a star of David [what would uncle Adolph have thought of that??] I have done islamic things for muslims such as "God is Great!" and the crescent moon & star.
I've done Glock logos for guys into guns, and I am attracted to designs which I think look nice. No question about it, German designs are nice - And it might interest you bleeding heart wussies to know that alot of jews are into Nazi collecting.
Most of you I'm sure are painfully uncreative, and couldn't come up with something nice that you designed and made yourself to save your lives ,, So you wouldn't have a good grasp about developing an eye for designs that have potential. Prof, for instance - Spends the majority of his life posting on gaming/computer forums ,, About the next great motherboard ! Or the best way to utilize 4gb of RAM ect. Wow, thats exciting ! I'd love to see a guy like this honestly post his life experiences and employment history. I know I'd laugh my ass off, get bored to tears after 3 paragraphs, then actually feel sorry for anyone who chooses to lead such a pathetic existence.
But enough of all that, you guys are on a roll and are probably having the most excitement you've had all summer, so I'll let you get back to that uninterrupted.
Prof & NightFag have probably splooged all over their keyboards half a dozen times this past 24 hours.
I have sold a dozen + signs, everyone that has bought so far has been more than content .. Don't want one cause I'm an evil guy that likes white chicks & German designs ?
Keep your $$, I'll keep my signs, simple. Unlike the majority of you, I have a life and a job, these are barely even worth my while to do.
Yeah, he likes the designs, just doesn't happen to have any others on his desktop other then Nazi related ones. No golden Star of David on his desktop. No Muslim related ones. No Asian related ones. No other organizations, companies, etc. Nuthin but the mutha fuckin Nazi shit and a bunch of barely legal scantly clad white girls. Something I would have only expected some red necktrailer park monster truck lovin racist to have on their desktop. Doesn't even address the racist shit on his photobucket or how its been linked to racist oriented forums, or the fact that the designs he seems to favor are racist related. Stating that if they offend you you are a pussy is his apparent stance, all he is able to fall back on other then feigning complete stupidity.
You know Xray, to be honest, the only one who is a pussy here is you. You not only got caught with your hand in the cookie jar basically, but right to the bitter end you continue to deny it anyway with as much pathetic spin, avoidance, and denial as possible that it makes you completely laughable. You even try to change the subject and focus on others like it will somehow create a wall of fog hiding all this bullshit that's been discovered about you. Yeah, I work on and post about computers, and that is somehow totally and far worse then keeping fucking Nazi SS material on my desktop, or selling Nazi SA material, or making fun of black people on racist forums, hosting racist shit on my photobucket? On what muther fucking planet does that somehow equate in your favor?
You evidently would sell out your own beliefs, as fucked and pathetic as they are, just to save a little public image as possible if you can to increase the sales you supposedly don't need, but evidently do because you keep coming back only to address your PR related to them, and for no other reason. Your post history's content has proven that. That makes you the worst kind of "pussy", as you so like to put it. A racist who only practices his hardcore racism when he thinks its anonymous on the net or in the home, when he will get away with it. When it explodes in your face you retreat, toss your hands up in the air, and claim total denial and feign total stupidity about the entire situation.
I guess another point i'm trying to make is out of the literally billions of different designs you could cut/carve/design with your machine that would also make you money you "choose" to do the Nazi/white power stuff.
Like if this was strictly for money. You could make more money off of the religious stiff b/c Christians/Muslims/Jewish people are a higher percentage of the worlds population than Nazi sympathizers.
Or if you did video game stuff for any system at all you would make much more money than you would by selling the signs in question, because video game collectors would go crazy for that stuff, but instead you "choose" to be the one who caters to groups of hatred, and justify it by saying i don't agree w/ everything they do.
Quote from: Xray on 09/10/2012, 10:46 PMWow, you guys are literally nutting all over each other over this - I'd bet 10 to 1 that the majority of you still live with your mothers, no question about it.
Shouldn't expect anything more from Michael Jackson admirers.
I own my own basement, thank you very much.
QuoteAs far as ideology, I'm not an absolutist, as most of you haters apparently fancy yourselves. I'm sure there are some things in the Nazi "platform", that I'd agree with, others, not. Can't say I ever studied it [believe it or not!]
I do designs that I think are attractive, and that have the potential to sell. As stated, I'd have no prob doing a star of David [what would uncle Adolph have thought of that??] I have done islamic things for muslims such as "God is Great!" and the crescent moon & star.
I've done Glock logos for guys into guns, and I am attracted to designs which I think look nice. No question about it, German designs are nice - And it might interest you bleeding heart wussies to know that alot of jews are into Nazi collecting.
Oh, well shit, you are totally cool then. I didn't realize you were a shitbag for profit.
QuoteMost of you I'm sure are painfully uncreative, and couldn't come up with something nice that you designed and made yourself to save your lives ,, So you wouldn't have a good grasp about developing an eye for designs that have potential. Prof, for instance - Spends the majority of his life posting on gaming/computer forums ,, About the next great motherboard ! Or the best way to utilize 4gb of RAM ect. Wow, thats exciting ! I'd love to see a guy like this honestly post his life experiences and employment history. I know I'd laugh my ass off, get bored to tears after 3 paragraphs, then actually feel sorry for anyone who chooses to lead such a pathetic existence.
Yes, only you have the creativity to use someone else's logo. What ingenuity!
QuoteDon't want one cause I'm an evil guy that likes white chicks & German designs ?
Keep your $$, I'll keep my signs, simple. Unlike the majority of you, I have a life and a job, these are barely even worth my while to do.
You assume a lot.
Quote from: hizaygizirlz on 09/10/2012, 11:30 PMbut instead you "choose" to be the one who caters to groups of hatred, and justify it by saying i don't agree w/ everything they do.
Only because he got busted. If no one here said a word the acrylic hate machine running in his garage wouldn't even have blinked.
Quote from: Xray on 09/10/2012, 10:46 PMWow, you guys are literally nutting all over each other over this - I'd bet 10 to 1 that the majority of you still live with your mothers, no question about it.
Shouldn't expect anything more from Michael Jackson admirers.
As far as ideology, I'm not an absolutist, as most of you haters apparently fancy yourselves. I'm sure there are some things in the Nazi "platform", that I'd agree with, others, not. Can't say I ever studied it [believe it or not!]
I do designs that I think are attractive, and that have the potential to sell. As stated, I'd have no prob doing a star of David [what would uncle Adolph have thought of that??] I have done islamic things for muslims such as "God is Great!" and the crescent moon & star.
I've done Glock logos for guys into guns, and I am attracted to designs which I think look nice. No question about it, German designs are nice - And it might interest you bleeding heart wussies to know that alot of jews are into Nazi collecting.
Most of you I'm sure are painfully uncreative, and couldn't come up with something nice that you designed and made yourself to save your lives ,, So you wouldn't have a good grasp about developing an eye for designs that have potential. Prof, for instance - Spends the majority of his life posting on gaming/computer forums ,, About the next great motherboard ! Or the best way to utilize 4gb of RAM ect. Wow, thats exciting ! I'd love to see a guy like this honestly post his life experiences and employment history. I know I'd laugh my ass off, get bored to tears after 3 paragraphs, then actually feel sorry for anyone who chooses to lead such a pathetic existence.
But enough of all that, you guys are on a roll and are probably having the most excitement you've had all summer, so I'll let you get back to that uninterrupted.
Prof & NightFag have probably splooged all over their keyboards half a dozen times this past 24 hours.
I have sold a dozen + signs, everyone that has bought so far has been more than content .. Don't want one cause I'm an evil guy that likes white chicks & German designs ?
Keep your $$, I'll keep my signs, simple. Unlike the majority of you, I have a life and a job, these are barely even worth my while to do.
Fuck off, dipshit. You've become yesterday's news.
Chris
This reminds me of that episode of Newsradio where someone in the office dies, and no one knew anything about him except that he liked Star Wars. Dave ends up speaking at his funeral and preparing this "Star Wars fan to Star Wars fan" speech, and then everyone attending the funeral is wearing KKK hoods.
The TG16 signs were kind of decent looking, but nothing amazing. I was considering getting one for the side of my computer, but obviously not now.
I did "not see" this coming.
Quote from: motdelbourt on 09/11/2012, 01:37 AMI did "not see" this coming.
I don't think that anyone could see this coming. Of course, for those of us who wanted this guy out of here from the start, the last day or so has been a real treat, but we certainly didn't see it coming.
Chris
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 09/10/2012, 11:33 PMIf no one here said a word, the acrylic hate machine running in his garage wouldn't even have blinked.
Hahaha! Another sig-worthy quote! The material off this nutjob is practically endless... :lol:
Quote from: Xray on 09/10/2012, 10:46 PMProf & NightFag
Awesome, looks like I at least made 2nd place on the Enemies' List. I want this POS to remember me at the very least!
Well, it's like he said folks (paraphrased a little bit for fun), "
Damn straight, I won't back down!!!! Never I say! NEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" Thus, he continues to remain arrogant, unapologetic, disgusting, degenerate, dishonest, and most of all, shameless! There does not appear to be ANY hint of shame in his latest post... I'm not gonna parse it down, he's an epic disaster and others are doing a good enough job where I feel justice has been done and he's losing customers that he otherwise would've gotten! Mission Accomplished as far as I'm concerned! So, good work to everyone that is calling this jackass out!
Quote from: Xray on 09/10/2012, 10:46 PMNightFag
*Sigh*...(hits the "Report to moderator" button again).
"I'm not a hate-monger, you fag!"
Quote from: Xray on 09/10/2012, 10:46 PMWow, you guys are literally nutting all over each other over this - I'd bet 10 to 1 that the majority of you still live with your mothers, no question about it.
Shouldn't expect anything more from Michael Jackson admirers.
I've been living on my own for 5 years and me and my girlfriend just bought a house and paid for it 100% so no mortgage. And yes I find michael jackson entertaining.
Quote from: Xray on 09/10/2012, 10:46 PMMost of you I'm sure are painfully uncreative, and couldn't come up with something nice that you designed and made yourself to save your lives ,,
I've composed a lot of original music and come up with original console mods that sell quite well.
I still think your desktop is absolutely disgusting.
QuoteNOTE: I updated the Xray audit and added Exhibit E to prove he's a racist hatemonger that uses the n-word and hangs out on a racist site called chimpout.com which is completely dedicated to the hatred of black people... I'm repasting it all to make sure all potential buyers see him for what he is and to fight against people trying to back him up by dismissing all the evidence as just "drama-queen-ism" which just purely insults the effort that went into examining this guy and bringing forward all the facts.
Well, this has certainly gotten interesting when it comes to our fairly new resident character-assassin, XRay... It's much worse than we thought! Let's try to take it from the top, shall we?
* XRay, who showed up not more than a month ago, gets into a flame war with Bernie/Arkhan/Professor (mainly) in the Michael Jackson thread (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12893.0) where he eventually accuses them -- and
effectively anyone else who believes in the possibility/plausibility of Michael Jackson's innocence -- of being boy-loving, ass-shoving pedophiles themselves and/or sympathizers!!! How's THAT for a first impression ????
* Bernie reaches out to bury the hatchet which appears to happen, but XRay's arrogance (and extremism) with regard to the original argument reveals itself again with his last sentence in that thread: "
Now I'm just waiting for a "Was Hitler really such a bad guy" thread to really get things going !"
* That sarcastic comment prompted tggodfrey to create a new thread called "Hitler....villian or victem" (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12930.0). Sure enough, his prediction about "really getting things going" would come to pass, but not in his favor!!
* XRay couldn't help but monitor that thread knowing that his comment inspired its creation and inside he eventually found criticism by me and eventually others. Well, suffice to say, the little darling did not approve of further criticism for what happened in the Michael Jackson thread and basically sought to deter it by demonstrating more of his very intimidating flaming prowess to us...
* Long story short, the thread was locked and Professor starting doing some minor investigative work on ole XRay given how "popular" he's become around here given the above as well as for these TG-16 lit signs of his that many people want...
Note: The first pieces of evidence come from XRay's own blunder of posting an image of his desktop and the last 2 come from Professor's further digging into the guy's background by finding his ebay and photobucket accounts.
Exhibit A - Nazi Jet with swastikas on both wingsSource:
xrayracistdesktop.jpg
(Preserved in case he makes it disappear! Notice XRay the XGay needs a daily flood of hetero in his face to prevent another relapse! Heh-heh! He says he's a father of 5, so it doesn't bother him his kids or his woman might see that desktop...)
(https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12903.0;attach=1230;image)
Exhibit B - A flag with a SS Bolt in the middle - some kind of Nazi-type either way, I am not sure!(https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12903.0;attach=1232;image)
The SS superseded the SA! This is the weakest of evidence given the uncertainty about this flag, but keep reading!!
Exhibit C - An ebay listing of his selling a sign of the Nazi SA Insignia!!!!http://www.ebay.com/itm/German-SA-insignia-1-2-inch-clear-acrylic-not-WW2-Nazi-era-Edge-lit-sign-/ (http://www.ebay.com/itm/German-SA-insignia-1-2-inch-clear-acrylic-not-WW2-Nazi-era-Edge-lit-sign-/140845698073?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20cb0ecc19#ht_1787wt_1121)
Ebay Account: http://myworld.ebay.com/xraywolf.69/?_trksid=p4340.l2559
(https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12903.0;attach=1236;image)
The Nazi SA was what brought Hitler to power in Germany and later it had to be purged because it was too violent and independent, etc.
http://www.adl.org/hate_symbols/Sturmabteilung.asp
For what reason would you want the symbol of this dark part of history to live on, let alone try to profit off of it ?? C'mon people, look at the whole picture with this bastard!!!!!!!
Exhibit D - A highly offensive/disgusting racist animated GIF of Michelle Obama transforming into a monkey!The actual link to his photobucket account is here for verification. For those of you that don't know, Michelle is the wife of the current president of the United States (And no, RegalSin, you stupid fuck, this wasn't Condi Rice!)
https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Xraywolf/222/mob.gif - "Chimp" racism morphing found on chimpout.com, a complete racist site!
https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Xraywolf/222/1-13.jpg - ACCOUNT MATCH TO HIS TG-16 SIGN!!
(https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=12903.0;attach=1234;image)
I've only attached a picture in case he decides to start making evidence disappear and I don't want it animating in the thread. Basically, the GIF takes Michelle's image and morphs it into the monkey seen here. You get the idea!
Exhibit E - Proving beyond a shadow of a doubt he's posted on chimpout.com, a PURE, RACIST SITE OF HATRED FOR BLACKS!Given a) https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Xraywolf/222/1-13.jpg - His TG-16 sign link
and
Given b) https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Xraywolf/222/mob.gif - His racist Michelle Obama link
Google c) https://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/Xraywolf/gods.jpg
or
Google c) "/Xraywolf/gods.jpg" <-- in quotes this time!
You will be returned ONE search result to a site called chimpout.com! What is this site ? Well, here's an introductory quote on the home page that makes it VERY CLEAR WHAT IT IS:
Quote"Welcome to Chimpout. A black plague is descending upon civilization. That plague is called the nigger. Here at Chimpout we provide up to the minute nigger facts and news stories that are either covered up or buried by the mainstream media. Everything you read here is the truth, gleaned from worldwide sources.
Our message is simple. Niggers are a cancer upon human society."
The search result you get on said RACIST site should be:
http://www.chimpout.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-78559.html
but to view it, click:
http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?78559-Barrack-Hussein-a-movie-star-before-politics (http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?78559-Barrack-Hussein-a-movie-star-before-politics)
The account that made the post is called "ShoNuff" - Ironic he uses a black character's name from "The Last Dragon" movie. So now, he's been successfully tied to this ShoNuff account, but wait, it GETS BETTER. He also posted this:
http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?77655-McDonalds-black-only-web-site (http://www.chimpout.com/forum/showthread.php?77655-McDonalds-black-only-web-site)
Quote from: Xray_Racist_HatemongerYet another reason not to ever eat any of this greasy shit.
I have been there maybe 3 times in 5 years, with the exception that I take my kids in to play every now and then, and just get them milk shakes.
This, from their web site:
"At McDonald's®, we believe that African-American culture and achievement should be celebrated 365 days a year — not just during Black History Month. That's the idea behind 365Black.com"
[on the What is 365Black? link]
http://www.365black.com/365black/index.jsp
Nigger, pleeease !
"Black culture & achievement" "celebrated 365 days a year" ?
Could they possible be any more patronizing to these grease loving chimps ?
How much proof will you need that this man is a disgusting hate-monger ?? Would someone have to discover dead bodies hidden in his crawlspace before eyebrows are raised ??? Still wanna buy a sign from this guy with a clear conscience ?? Sorry, it will not be possible...
Here's another quote to get an idea of his character further down in that thread link I posted:
"
McD's: Its chimp chow, and easy to see why nigs are apparently their main customer base."
He's referring to McDonald's greasy food as "chimp chow" for "nigs," shorthand for the n-word, etc. Offensive much ???
(Credit to Jibbajaba for this!)
So, ask yourself the following question, ladies and gentlemen, is this a guy who you want to be doing business with ??? Is it ???? To borrow Jibbajaba's wit, do you really wanna buy a TG-16 sign made off the very same machine that was used to create Nazi SA Insignia signs by a racist/extremist asshole that went as far as slandering fellow board members as pedophiles and/or sympathizers?
I think the answer is clear!Quote from: FiftyQuid on 09/09/2012, 09:36 PMNot that anyone cares, but after seeing the evidence I am no longer considering a purchase and won't be visiting this thread (or any by Xray) again.
Nonsense! You made the right decision! This freak should NOT be getting ANYBODY'S business!
Quote from: hizaygizirlz on 09/10/2012, 11:30 PMI guess another point i'm trying to make is out of the literally billions of different designs you could cut/carve/design with your machine that would also make you money you "choose" to do the Nazi/white power stuff.
Like if this was strictly for money. You could make more money off of the religious stiff b/c Christians/Muslims/Jewish people are a higher percentage of the worlds population than Nazi sympathizers.
Or if you did video game stuff for any system at all you would make much more money than you would by selling the signs in question, because video game collectors would go crazy for that stuff, but instead you "choose" to be the one who caters to groups of hatred, and justify it by saying i don't agree w/ everything they do.
Quote from: hizaygizirlz on 09/10/2012, 11:30 PMI guess another point i'm trying to make is out of the literally billions of different designs you could cut/carve/design with your machine that would also make you money you "choose" to do the Nazi/white power stuff.
Like if this was strictly for money. You could make more money off of the religious stiff b/c Christians/Muslims/Jewish people are a higher percentage of the worlds population than Nazi sympathizers.
Or if you did video game stuff for any system at all you would make much more money than you would by selling the signs in question, because video game collectors would go crazy for that stuff, but instead you "choose" to be the one who caters to groups of hatred, and justify it by saying i don't agree w/ everything they do.
Fair points [Took a while to check this post, I know this is old news by now].
As far as Nazi ideology ,,, And I think I have said this before. ... I'm not all that up to date on it. I'm not an "absolutist". No doubt at all, I'd agree with many of their points. Others, I would not. I don't agree with mass atrocities that were committed by German forces under Nazi command - And I don't agree with mass atrocities committed under Allied command. Allies killed 100'000's of woman and children in mass fire bomb raids ,,, Choking, smothering, incarcerated to death, en masse, Yet, if I created the logo of the Mighty 8th Air Force which caused all this mass carnage, not many would have a problem with that.
I wouldn't either, war is hell. I've been there and done that. I have killed in combat, though of course not on the scale, intensity or passion of WW2. I have killed in hot blood, I have had close friends die in my arms. I have done and experienced things that most of you, god willing, will never have to face. [USMC 1986-2000] Combat deployments Panama/Somalia/Desert Storm.
Thats life, hard cold facts as the way it happens. I did was I was ordered to do, Germans did what they were ordered to, Allied forced who firebombed civilian population centers and practiced unrestricted submarine warfare against merchant shipping did what they were ordered to do.
"Nazi" is not "white power", to me. May be to you, not me. German designs to me are attractive. I don't sugarcoat, I don't shy away like a little girl from reality.
I'm white, and very proud of my heritage and ancestors. Yet, I wish other races the very best, so long as they don't seek to live off my back. I don't owe people from Haiti, Kenya or Somalia anything, they don't owe me.
You think I'm a racist for documenting history, thats fine with me. I wear your labels as a badge of honor. Germans designs are far and away the most attractive, imaginative and innovative of all military/political/paramilitary designs ever, and if you want to close you eyes and pretend/wish they never existed, thats on you. There are many people who have a legit historical interest in this stuff, without being rabid white supremacists - I am one of them.
I like German, not only Nazi, but Imperial. I like WW2 USMC, some Russian, and British. [BTW, Stalin murdered a whole hell of a lot more than Hitler, I bet you bleeding hearts wouldn't have a problem if I offered a Hammer & Sickle design]
Mao murdered more than both of the combined - So you can see, you are a bit brainwashed in this matter.
I don't "cater" to anyone. I do religious stuff, because am a Christian. I have done Islamic stuff, on request. Am I a greedy fucker who will do anything for a $$ ?
No, I wouldn't do satanic shit, for example. I wouldn't do pro gay shit, because I am against that. 3rd Reich is a historical fact and, like it or not, there will always be an interest in their many designs and symbols.
The Swastika itself, as most are aware, predates the Nazis by 1,000's of years. The SA symbol, which caused such a squeamish reaction, is really pretty mild.
Hitler himself purged the SA well before WW2, and it played a very minor role in subsequent events ,,, So much so that no SA leaders were ever tried for war crimes at the end of the war.
As far as my membership at a racist website under the nym "Sho Nuff" well, I'm sure we all have a few skeletons in the closet.
We are all products of our yesterdays, mine involved bloody fights early on [6-7 grade elementary school] with blacks during forced bussing, which was imagined to bring blacks & whites close together and live in peace and harmony. Let me be the one to tell you, it had to opposite affect, and I was forced to fight for my life on a daily basis. You haven't experienced "racism" until you are in a minority of whites forced to go to school in a majority black school.
So yeah, I was a bit jaded from that, am still am - I will only note, if the nutty professor is so spot on with his internet snooping, that "Sho Nuff" didn't have a very long stay at "Chimpout.com" - I was banned, and guess for what reason ?
Because I defended Jimi Hendrix as the best guitarist ever, and an extraordinary talent. They jumped all over me like a pack of wolves, just like happened here, for having the nerve to say anything positive about a "nigger". I told them people to fuck right off, and deleted my profile there before I was banned.
I call em as I see em, and I don't have the time of day for bleeding hearts or basement warriors.
Quite a few people here have my contact info, if you really feel the need, pm me and I'll be more than glad to supply that if you really have something to get off your chest.
I'll lock this thread again, forum circle jerks are not my style. You want to talk, send me your phone number, I'll send you mine.
Plexi signs, admittedly not that spectacular, are still available for those interested.
Cluster of a topic briefly unlocked, thought some might be interested and I'm sure the usual suspects here still posting away are still butthurt but oh well.
Anyone interested in a acrylic design shoot me a PM.
Prof leaves, and the exact same day you come back? That seems like quite the coincidence.
Prof "leaves" ? Maybe me posting in this thread again will induce him to "come back" !
Last time I gave half a shit about him was never - Nulltard nailed it, I forgot this place existed until I got a pm today.
Quote from: Xray on 02/14/2016, 12:31 AMProf "leaves" ? Maybe me posting in this thread again will induce him to "come back" !
Last time I gave half a shit about him was never - Nulltard nailed it, I forgot this place existed until I got a pm today.
I see. Just curious, are you still including our choice of either a throw pillow stuffed with the hair of dead jews, a used Zyklon B canister, or a translated copy of "Mein Kampf" with every sign purchase, or was that a limited-time offer?
Maybe some free watermelon seeds for you.
So why did prof "leave" ... Wouldn't have anything to do with AIDS complications would it ??
I would like to enter this raffle.
Too late, ended about 3 years ago
Hey man I love far east of eden, do you make swastika neon signs
You guys are way too friggin funny man just can't stop laughing here
2012 Drama up in hereerererererere
did someone say raffle
"sign" me up
get it :?:
Thank you for entering me in your raffle
Quote from: Xray on 02/14/2016, 12:40 AMMaybe some free watermelon seeds for you.
So why did prof "leave" ... Wouldn't have anything to do with AIDS complications would it ??
So much for being reformed and unfairly judged for past behaviour which was supposedly all in the long past. :/
Quote from: guest on 02/14/2016, 07:17 PMQuote from: Xray on 02/14/2016, 12:40 AMMaybe some free watermelon seeds for you.
So why did prof "leave" ... Wouldn't have anything to do with AIDS complications would it ??
So much for being reformed and unfairly judged for past behaviour which was supposedly all in the long past. :/
Could this possibly be one of those wonderful people ProProf ran off after digging up his skeletons? hmmmmm
Sent from my iPhone using your mama
Quote from: guest on 02/14/2016, 07:17 PMQuote from: Xray on 02/14/2016, 12:40 AMMaybe some free watermelon seeds for you.
So why did prof "leave" ... Wouldn't have anything to do with AIDS complications would it ??
So much for being reformed and unfairly judged for past behaviour which was supposedly all in the long past. :/
Don't know which side of your ass you are pulling this out from, never had the slightest need to justify myself to you pc forum addicts - Least of all ebay cheap computer parts seller prof - Who seems to be failing even at that. You guys want to provoke me with cheap chatter, go for it and maybe I'll respond, maybe not.
Truth be told, reason I haven't even logged in once here in over 2 years is because I find guys like you pathetic and not worth a minute of my time.
So why did you return to a forum of people who dislike racists and hate mongers?
It's my fault https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=20527.0 (https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=20527.0)
I honestly thought he was banned, so did not foresee him coming back.
:D
Quote from: Nulltard on 02/14/2016, 08:50 PMNonsense, otaking. Drama has been pretty scarce lately. You done good! Dun reel gud. :lol:
shouldn't you be approving things over at DoxPhile or something like that?
Besides this place likes the drama
we need it to feel better about having the means to bitch about video games, and not you know lack of drinking water, little food, and terrible shelter.
Don't think anyone died and made you official spokesperson for anything Mathius - I will come and go as I please without the slightest reference to your feelings or need to explain.
You are awkwardly simplistic, as if you really know peoples life stories from a few online posts.
Quote from: Xray on 02/14/2016, 09:01 PMDon't think anyone died and made you official spokesperson for anything Mathius - I will come and go as I please without the slightest reference to your feelings or need to explain.
You are awkwardly simplistic, as if you really know peoples life stories from a few online posts.
Nope, don't know you at all. But I do know the "online you". And he's hateful.
God damn....really. Over 3 years later? NecroPhile is going to have a busy Monday morning.
Quote from: Mathius on 02/14/2016, 09:32 PMQuote from: Xray on 02/14/2016, 09:01 PMDon't think anyone died and made you official spokesperson for anything Mathius - I will come and go as I please without the slightest reference to your feelings or need to explain.
You are awkwardly simplistic, as if you really know peoples life stories from a few online posts.
Nope, don't know you at all. But I do know the "online you". And he's hateful.
Hey X-ray your awkwardly a racist, go fuck off again.
The prodigal son has returned.
Welcome back. I see that you have grown older, not wiser.
Forgive me, I have babbled for too long. I look forward to reading your illustrious posts.
Quote from: Xray on 02/14/2016, 09:01 PMI will come and go as I please...
Wanna bet?
Thank you!!!!
Quote from: CGQuarterly on 02/14/2016, 12:03 AMProf leaves, and the exact same day you come back? That seems like quite the coincidence.
Wowser, no kidding!
Quote from: CGQuarterly on 02/14/2016, 12:37 AMQuote from: Xray on 02/14/2016, 12:31 AMProf "leaves" ? Maybe me posting in this thread again will induce him to "come back" !
Last time I gave half a shit about him was never - Nulltard nailed it, I forgot this place existed until I got a pm today.
I see. Just curious, are you still including our choice of either a throw pillow stuffed with the hair of dead jews, a used Zyklon B canister, or a translated copy of "Mein Kampf" with every sign purchase, or was that a limited-time offer?
LMAO!
Oh and hey, welcome back, Xray! :)
XRay-Welcome-Back.jpg
(Photochop work courtesy of HercTNT BTW, not me.)
No, Bonk! NOOOOOO!!!! :lol:
Hahahah, that's amazing.
*chuckles
The day the clown cried.
PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion => Topic started by: Xray on 08/25/2012, 11:32 PM