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[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

RoyVegas, the lucky ****, opened a complete set of sealed games and shared the pics with the community.  Can't beat this for reference of which games came with what.

http://s667.photobucket.com/user/royvegas/library/Turbografx%20Games%20Reference

I skimmed through this thread a bit more, since I didn't read the entire thing before posting replies. That's a good reference, however, some games had different pack-ins. I recall I had two Super Star Soldiers(?) Each one, had a different TG-16 advertisement in it. The Turbo gear type advertisement things. I guess they were a bit random packing them in there, which advert it would be? I think it was that game. Why I had 2 sealed, it was because I opened 1 years ago, then got another sealed, opened that one, then sold off my older one. One less sealed SSS out there!

Also, I recall someone selling a Bomberman 93 on ebay, years ago, i saved a pic from the auction, since it came with a pack-in paper I had never seen before. It was a Bomberman 93 specific pack-in, on white paper, with black text, bomberman 93 logo, etc. . The picture is low resolution, so I can't really make out the text on it, and I never bothered to ask the seller what that pack-in paper was all about. I'll post a pic here, sometime.

So, there are some variation in stuff that got packed in with games, though  posters, stickers seem to be about the same for all the games that included them.

Great info - thank you.  Definitely good to know.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Thanks; I long for those days where retro games were not a fad and were still cheap/reasonable.

I don't know what an everdrive is or how to play games with a flash cart, but I'm not one for emulation.  Just something about the real thing.  Yep, crazy, I know.

Appreciate the advice.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Hahahahahshashs.

Comrade, as folks have already said, you need to have a thick skin around here when (1) you are new +  (2) you have only posted in buy/sell threads.

Participate in other sections of the forum (beyond buy/sell) and you will see that we actually like to talk about every aspect of playing/listening/touching/smelling/feeling games.

I might be mistaken, but I don't believe that I've ever posted in the buy/sell forum.

This is my only post thread (unless I'm forgetting something), where I was trying to learn more about what system to get, how to approach collecting/playing for the Turbo/PC Engine.

So, while that's great advice for someone only looking to buy/sell, I don't believe that it applies in this instance.

I just received my modded PC-Engine DUO-R yesterday, and don't even own a game yet to play on it.

So, if that doesn't answer the question as to why I'm here, I don't know what will.

I want to play first, and collect second.

However, the OCD in me will want to collect them all, just like Pokémon.

Anyway, thanks.

I was simply providing advice on how to proceed

Too many folks have spent all their time+energy in the buy/trade section...

Even if you don't have many (any) games yet, there are still things to discuss...no matter how random, non-PCE, or partial-PCE they may be.

  Thanks.

I really didn't come here to argue.  Just to learn the 'ropes' of how to proceed on Turbo/PC gaming, and some collecting.

Thanks,
Orri~

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Hahahahahshashs.

Comrade, as folks have already said, you need to have a thick skin around here when (1) you are new +  (2) you have only posted in buy/sell threads.

Participate in other sections of the forum (beyond buy/sell) and you will see that we actually like to talk about every aspect of playing/listening/touching/smelling/feeling games.

I might be mistaken, but I don't believe that I've ever posted in the buy/sell forum.

This is my only post thread (unless I'm forgetting something), where I was trying to learn more about what system to get, how to approach collecting/playing for the Turbo/PC Engine.

So, while that's great advice for someone only looking to buy/sell, I don't believe that it applies in this instance.

I just received my modded PC-Engine DUO-R yesterday, and don't even own a game yet to play on it.

So, if that doesn't answer the question as to why I'm here, I don't know what will.

I want to play first, and collect second.

However, the OCD in me will want to collect them all, just like Pokémon.

Anyway, thanks.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

I just thought perhaps you guys might know someone who sells minty CIB stuff, but not at evilBay prices.

Not gonna happen.  TG16 stuff is rare outside of ebay and the internet.  Most of the stuff you find at game shops are the more common titles like Bonks Adventure, Blazing Lasers, TV Sports.... etc and odds are you won't find them complete either.

BlueBMW suggested to buy an Everdrive and try playing all the games off that.  I strongly suggest you do it if you are here to enjoy and play the games.  If you're just looking to spend money to complete a whole CIB near mint set of games to set on a shelf.....good luck to you and your wallet.

Appreciate the insight.  I do want to play them, that's for sure.

I missed out as a kid, and as a 43 year old, I can now afford to go back and get to those games.

I don't see why people think there's something wrong with wanting a CIB collection though.  IMO, there's nothing wrong with wanting to play the games as well as have them complete as well.

Perhaps not for everyone, but it's not weird.

Anyway, thanks for the suggestions and oh so warm welcome.

I'm good for now, thanks.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

I have thick skin, which is why I don't bother taking jabs at people.

Sorry if there have been many shady people only coming here looking for deals or whatever; I'm not one of them.

Just trying to learn the ropes for a system I've never owned, nor collected for.

Now, if you have something constructive to add...

I'm just one new(ish) guy on the forum trying to help out another new guy so there's no need to get testy with me, or with anyone for that matter.

I don't get into the back-and-forths; sorry, I have better things to do.

Like dropping thousands so you can have cardboard boxes on your shelf? Have fun with that weirdo.

I actually thought that you were being helpful; past tense.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

I don't get into the back-and-forths; sorry, I have better things to do.

A moderator should act better than that though; I was a mod on another forum, and didn't feel the need to take jabs at people.

If you want to help, do so.  If not, don't.  It's really that simple.

I have thick skin, which is why I don't bother taking jabs at people.

Sorry if there have been many shady people only coming here looking for deals or whatever; I'm not one of them.

Just trying to learn the ropes for a system I've never owned, nor collected for.

Now, if you have something constructive to add...

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

If people were sitting on piles of MIB games, what're the odds that they'd be selling them at dirt cheap prices and that no eBay resellers had cleaned them out already?  Use some common sense, man.

First, no need to be condescending.  I'm a pretty smart guy, and don't expect something for nothing.

Second, I never said that someone was sitting on anything.  All I said was that I'm sure this community has reputable people who occasionally sell CIB games in excellent condition.  Who should I be looking out for?

As a collector of many libraries, I belong to many forums for each.  Usually, collectors in the same community will help each other out, and not charge top dollar when posting FS items on the boards.  I assumed it would be the same here.

I never said, dirt cheap prices.  I just said, not ebay prices.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Collecting complete in box turbo stuff is going to be very expensive.  The people I know who have done it without spending a fortune have been slowly collecting for decades.  If you want a collection fast, its going to cost a lot.  I know you say you want reputable sellers for mint stuff at a good price... Everyone would love that but there just isnt a great source to buy all the best stuff at a good price.  You want mint, its going to take a while and cost a ton.  There are no free lunches in turbo collecting.

My suggestion... Buy an everdrive, play some games, then collect the ones you like and dump the idea of collecting a mint complete set.  Youll save yourself some frustration and a ton of coin.  Plus youll have some fun playing some games along the way.

I appreciate the advice, I really do.  Unfortunately, it's not in my genetics. ;)

I'm OCD, and retentive to boot.  So, it's either CIB or nothing, and the aesthetics have to be there.  So, I like near mint or at least nothing detracting from the presentation.  To me, the box, etc. are just as important as the game itself.

If you're going to have something on your shelf, it should look nice. (Just like art, or any other decoration.)
I do play my games, but since I can't play them all at the same time, the rest are on the shelf by default.

So, I'll be looking for the goods - I guess it may take a while, but that's all part of it.

I just thought perhaps you guys might know someone who sells minty CIB stuff, but not at evilBay prices.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Thanks guys.  Good info so far.

What about a good dealer of complete/minty US games - anyone have someone they suggest/recommend?

Thanks & Happy Holidays!

Steve

I say start your collection off with a bang and go for broke!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Magical-Chase-TurboGrafx-16-TG16-COMPLETE-CIB-MINT-HOLY-GRAIL-NTSC-U-/311012474307?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item4869c9bdc3

But on the real, good luck and happy hunting!

Cheers!!

LOL - just a bit overpriced...but I like your way of thinking!  Start with the hardest, and everything else is cheaper going forward. ;)

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Thanks guys.  Good info so far.

What about a good dealer of complete/minty US games - anyone have someone they suggest/recommend?

Thanks & Happy Holidays!

Steve

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Hey Guys,

So, I've finally bit the bullet and bought a PC-Engine DUO-R, modded for US Turbo HuCards and RGB,  by Doujindance.

I had to start somewhere, and I've seen some positive reviews.  If there is someone out there better, who is doing the same mods, let me know (please.)

Once it arrives, I'll want to have a couple of games ready to play.

If possible, I'd love to hear from some folks what games are considered 'must haves' to play.  Nothing too expensive, mind you, just games that are generally considered fun to play.

Which brings me to my next couple of questions:

1.  What constitutes a complete PC Engine game?  Did they come with cardboard boxes, or just the 'jewel-type' case, and an obi strip?

2.  For US games, I'm looking for complete and minty - anyone have a seller or reputable dealer to suggest that won't overcharge?

3.  What PC engine games would be great to start out with (card or CD)?  Since I posted this last year, I've done a bunch of homework on the US stuff, but not as much on the Japanese releases.

Thanks!

I hope you're all having a great holiday season.

Cheers,
Orri~

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

THIS IS VISTAR !!!!!!!!

Oh, it's a system!  Sorry, thought it might be a game.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

HOLY CR*P! How did I miss syphic (that bastard!) getting a Vistar!  Holy cr*p!

What's a Vistar (and why is that a big deal?)

Korean TG-16 Collection is most difficult to obtain, according to me. Re-badged US HuCARDs have yet to be fully documented...

ALSO: I don't know what happened, but my post was intended for a different thread...not sure how it ended up here. Weird.

So Vistar was a Korean release?  (What is a 're-badged US HuCARD'?)

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

HOLY CR*P! How did I miss syphic (that bastard!) getting a Vistar!  Holy cr*p!

What's a Vistar (and why is that a big deal?)

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Necro beat me to it.

In addtion there were numerous harware releases for each of those. 

Addtional USA Hombrew CD Games include Insanity, Pyramid PLunder, and Mysterious Song. if you want to include them. 

Cool, good to know.  Thanks for the extra info.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

You know, there's always search or visiting the aforementioned PCE Daisakusen. 

They list 146 total 'games' - 94 HuCARD games, 50 CD games, and 2 system cards.  Included in that total are five unofficial games (Bikini Girls, Hawaiian Island Girls, Implode, Local Girls of Hawaii, and Meteor Blaster DX) and one not for sale game (Lords of Thunder demo), so it'd be 138 official retail games for the TG-16/CD.  The total goes up from there if you want to include unofficial, homebrew, not for resale, variants, and/or LaserActive games.

You're right, I was being lazy.  Sorry about that, but thanks for the info.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

That's US HuCards only.

And not you the other tards on here. last time this came up it was a big ol' CF.

Ok, thanks.  So if there are 94 HuCards, how many US CDs are there?  (And what are the 'boobie' games? Haven't heard of those.)

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Ok, question (since I've seen this listed referred to twice now.)

What constitutes a 'complete set' of games?  There are US Hu Card and CD titles, but I thought that number was less than 150.  Am I mistaken?

What do you guys use when referring to 'the set'?  And what 'boobie games' do you mean?

Thanks,
Orri~

OH JEEZ. NOT THIS ARGUMENT AGAIN

IT IS WHAT EVER YOU WANT IT TO BE.

It's not an argument...jeez.

I'm asking a question, as I'm new to TG-16 collecting, not collecting in general.

I heard on a Youtube video that there were 94 games released in the US.  I don't know if they meant HuCards or total games, so I was looking for clarification.

If you don't want to help, don't.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Ok, question (since I've seen this listed referred to twice now.)

What constitutes a 'complete set' of games?  There are US Hu Card and CD titles, but I thought that number was less than 150.  Am I mistaken?

What do you guys use when referring to 'the set'?  And what 'boobie games' do you mean?

Thanks,
Orri~

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

If I collect, it would be to complete US set first

That will require deep pockets as US Magical Chase recently has gone for ludicrous amounts of money, the price seems to be going up and up.
I would recommend the cheaper PC Engine alternatives where the US priced games are silly.

I know; I saw the last one, which is why I'm 'considering' collecting the set.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

You want to locate:

A region modded USA TurboDuo that's had the sound caps replaced:  It will allow you to play all HuCards and all CD games.   The exception being you can't play SuperGrafx because that's a different console, and you can't play Arcade CD games unless you get the Arcade Card.

A region modded JP Duo-R or Duo-RX:  It will do the same thing as above.


Don't bother screwing around trying to find a Turbo Grafx-16 with working CD hardware.  That's an uphill battle, and a pain in the ass.  You will need to region mod it, and locate a system card just to play Super CD ROM games.    The Duo consoles all have that built in.


Start off with a USA TG-16 so you can play some staple HuCard games and get a feel for the thing, but then definitely upgrade to a Duo of some variety.   Only downside is, without a Turbo Booster (thing that clicks on the back), you can only use RF with the thing.    That kind of blows.


As for video connections.  The best you can get is RGB (with a mod), but it will require a display or an upscaler that can accept it.  If you have a CRT television, the composite will work fine with all of these consoles.   


go to www.pcengine.co.uk for a list of every game.

also go to http://www.thebrothersduomazov.com/ for reviews and stuff.

Arkham nailed it.  The only thing I would add to what he said is avoid these guys;

wmacmonagle
canada

Thanks for the warning.  Have to find a system first, so it's good to know who not to deal with. ;)

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Hi Orri

Welcome :-)

Are you going to try to collect a full games set?  If so expect to pay some top (way over the top) $$$ for certain titles.

Also take a look at my links thread, although heavily PC engine focused there is plenty of Turbo goodness there.

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=9483.0

Thanks!  If I collect, it would be to complete a US set first, and then go from there.

Thanks for the link to your links page - helpful stuff!

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Welcome, comrade.

Danke!

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Anyone know the best place to start shopping for a nice, complete Duo-R? (With or without mods?)  I don't care for eBay much, so I'd like to avoid there if possible.

People like to hate on eBay here but several of us have gotten our systems there. Sellers doujindance and hit-japan (where I got my unmodded Duo-R in 2008) seem popular here, but I think doujin's mod work has been questioned a few times. Also, shipping costs from Japan can get painful, $60-80 is not uncommon.

Once I finally got a chance to properly test my latest Duo from doujindance and compare the picture quality to the PCE system I had Apolloboy mod, it's confirmed that the s-video ouput is garbage and ruined in several ways. I will never buy from him again.

Good to know... (sorry about your issue though.)

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Thanks for the system purchase suggestions guys.  I usually prefer minty/cib systems whenever possible, so I'll have to keep my eyes open.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

+1 to what Ark said about hardware, though I recommend getting a PCE Duo-R/RX or recapped PCE Duo and spending the savings vs. a US Duo on games.

...what system will allow me to plug & play which games without modding.

No such thing.  CDs are region free but HuCARDs are not, so all systems will require some sort of region converter for hueys. 

Speaking of modding, what is the best connection you can get for any of the systems?  If, for example, the recommended system was a Duo-R, what would be the best connection from the console to the TV?  Can that be improved with a mod, and if so, who generally does great work?

Composite is the best out of the box, but it can be modded for s-video, component, or RGB (in order of image quality).  Which one is best is entirely dependent on what kind of TV/monitor you'll be using (i.e. few US TVs take RGB).

Lastly, about the games...is there a complete list out there of all US Hu Cards and CD games?

PCE Daisakusen, the PC Engine Bible, and PCECP all list each region's game libraries and formats.

What games, if any, were not released in a cardboard box?

All US HuCARDs except Keith Courage and the two system cards came in cardboard boxes; all CD games except Buster Bros., Splash Lake, Vasteel, the three unofficial titteh discs (Bikini Girls, Hawaiian Island Girls, and Local Girls of Hawaii), Sherlock Holmes 2, and Syd Mead's Terraforming (the latter two labeled as SuperCD but actually plain CD games) came in cardboard boxes; and no Super CD games came in cardboard boxes, though Exile Wicked Phenomenon did come in a paper sleeve thing (as did Vasteel).

Thank you for the additional info - especially the last section.

Anyone know the best place to start shopping for a nice, complete Duo-R? (With or without mods?)  I don't care for eBay much, so I'd like to avoid there if possible.

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

RoyVegas, the lucky ****, opened a complete set of sealed games and shared the pics with the community.  Can't beat this for reference of which games came with what.

http://s667.photobucket.com/user/royvegas/library/Turbografx%20Games%20Reference

WOW - that's VERY helpful!!  Thanks for the link!

Looking at this - this is a US complete set, correct?

Also, I noticed that some games don't come with a cardboard box.  Was that something that occurred later in the system's life?  Just wondering why some do and some don't.

Thanks!

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Ark pretty much covered it. A region-modded Japanese Duo-R or RX is your one-stop shop and will play the entire library except for Arcade Card (ACD) games, which require an ACD Duo ($25 or so, last I checked). They also don't have the capacitor issues that the US Duos have, so less to worry about. Note that CD games are not region-locked but hucard games are.

If you want to start off small, go with a US TG16 for now, and then pick up a Duo-R/RX later and ACD Duo later. At that point you'll have access to everything and can decide if you want to keep the TG around for US games, or have the Duo-R modded to play US games.

Note that games are not as readily available and cheap as you might find with NES, SNES, etc. The good news is that many games have a more reasonably-priced Japanese (PCE) version and are completely playable even if you don't know the language.

Good to know.  So the Duo-R will play all CD games (regardless of region.)  It will play all JPN Hu Cards, but can be modded to play US ones as well.  If I get the Arcade Duo card, I can play those games as well.  Sound about right?

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Re: Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

You want to locate:

A region modded USA TurboDuo that's had the sound caps replaced:  It will allow you to play all HuCards and all CD games.   The exception being you can't play SuperGrafx because that's a different console, and you can't play Arcade CD games unless you get the Arcade Card.

A region modded JP Duo-R or Duo-RX:  It will do the same thing as above.


Don't bother screwing around trying to find a Turbo Grafx-16 with working CD hardware.  That's an uphill battle, and a pain in the ass.  You will need to region mod it, and locate a system card just to play Super CD ROM games.    The Duo consoles all have that built in.


Start off with a USA TG-16 so you can play some staple HuCard games and get a feel for the thing, but then definitely upgrade to a Duo of some variety.   Only downside is, without a Turbo Booster (thing that clicks on the back), you can only use RF with the thing.    That kind of blows.


As for video connections.  The best you can get is RGB (with a mod), but it will require a display or an upscaler that can accept it.  If you have a CRT television, the composite will work fine with all of these consoles.   


go to www.pcengine.co.uk for a list of every game.

also go to http://www.thebrothersduomazov.com/ for reviews and stuff.

Thank you for the info and reference links!

[PCE/TG-16|CD/SGX Discussion / Considering collecting for the TG-16, could use some advice...]

Hey Guys,

I've never owned a TG-16, but always wanted to.  I remember when it came out, I was in high school, and it looked pretty cool.  However, I was wrapped up with the NES, and so that was that.

Now that I'm in my early forties, I've decided that I'd like to own one and collect for the system.  Before collecting for any system, I always do my homework, so I know what I'm getting myself into.

I was hoping that some of you experts might be able to help me out a little with some suggestions.  To be honest, this system has always been a little confusing (as opposed to other systems), so I appreciate the help.

Which console is the best option for playing all of the games?  (Meaning, out of the box, what system will allow me to play the majority of titles available for it?)  Will US systems play JPN games or vice-versa?  I know that there are Hu-cards and CD games, but am not sure what system will allow me to plug & play which games without modding.  Where are some recommended places to find the 'suggested' system

Speaking of modding, what is the best connection you can get for any of the systems?  If, for example, the recommended system was a Duo-R, what would be the best connection from the console to the TV?  Can that be improved with a mod, and if so, who generally does great work?

Lastly, about the games...is there a complete list out there of all US Hu Cards and CD games?  What games, if any, were not released in a cardboard box?  Any variants?  What about Japanese games?

Sorry for all of the questions guys - any assistance and suggestions are most welcome.

Thanks!
Orri~