Forum change - General Chat & Fighting Street

[PCEngineFX]

It has been suggested that the NEC Console Forums roll back to what it was originally created for - talking about NEC related consoles.  To do this, we would remove the chit-chat & fighting street forums first to focus more on NEC related discussion.

Please vote and leave your comments if you wish about this proposed change.

[Ceti Alpha]

I personally think it's only natural to have a place on a forum where people can let loose and talk about other topics. Obviously we're all here to talk NEC, but there are a lot of regulars here and it's nice to be able to talk about other things besides NEC, or gaming in general. I personally think Fighting Street and Chit Chat are great diversions and are a great addition to the site.

BTW, the new banner on the home page is very nice.

[Zeon]

I don't see the problem with them, if you want to talk about nec related stuff there are sections for that. Naturally not everyone wants to talk about nec related consoles 24/7, which is why chit chat and fighting street are great diversions.

Though we might do away with Fighting Street as 90% of the posts would fit in best under chit chat, and the other 10% end up being civilized discussions with slightly more cursing than usual, or sarcastic in good fun. It's like people feel compelled to find something to complain, be random, or rant about just because it's there.

Yet nobody truly gets mad at each other, attacks anyone in genuine anger or malice (it's generally done as a joke if done), or argues a point seriously for too long. We are all scraping the bottom of the barrel to find something to raise controversy and start fights yet time and time again it has been proven most of us are too mature and or don't care enough to do that. Most of the cursing feels tacked on just because it's fighting street, and honestly with the exception of a select few threads, remove the cursing and you have a bunch of chit chat material. This applies to even the more controversial topics, such as the one about if god exists or not. IIRC Keranu started a similar thread on this in chit chat long ago, in fact quite a few posts are rehashed/recycled posts from chit chat.

Fighting Street isn't much of a fighting street if nobody is truly fighting. It's just a show, kind of a lame one at that.

[Sinistron]

I feel that Aaron finds the whole thing too juvenile- as his tone implied when he initially suggested it- however- it's not just an opinion- but fact- that any platform that constantly tries to take itself too seriously gets old, boring- and a little pretentious over time.  Besides- the initial "steam" and Joe Redifer's "shock and awe" posts and threads on the Fighting Street forum are winding down and the current threads are coalescing into something much more enjoyable.  As for Chit-chat- those threads help us to learn more about one another aside from our tastes in NEC console videogames -- it's not for everyone- sure- there's a handful of people here who ONLY want to talk videogames 24/7- and I can't fault them for that- but I'm guessing they're not in the majority.  No one is forced to read a thread that doesn't interest them.

Aaron- perhaps you may want to set one more rule regarding Fighting Street- since numerous people, myself included- have told you that the threads still show up in unread posts?  Maybe make a rule that there should be no cursing within the subject title of the thread- and have a moderator edit already existing offending subject titles.

Lastly- and this is in no way a threat- for I'm sure there's a fair number here who wouldn't mind seeing me gone- perhaps even you Aaron- but if you do away with both of those forums then I'll be handing in my account.  I'm pretty offended by the idea that you created these forums thinking you were just doing it to placate a group of babies and then you'd snatch it away when all of the toddlers had their full.  The truth of the matter is that the biggest jacka$$ on the Fighting Street forum was one of your own moderators.  If he was trying to prove some kind of point- it was a total failure on his part and an exclamation on his poor character- it shouldn't reflect on anyone else. 

I understand you're the big boss man Aaron- and this IS your forum- however- dont lose that most of the people here aren't like you- and a good number of them aren't aspiring to be like you.  We're our own people- and not everybody tries or wants to be zen 100% of the time and/or do away with conflict completely.  A good number of us have a healthy fire in ourselves- a fire that we are adult enough to maintain by letting out a little steam now and then.  I think it's time that you learn to respect that.

[NecroPhile]

I think that they should stay and probably be merged, considering that Fighting Street doesn't really serve a separate purpose.  Anyone that doesn't want to discuss non-NEC topics is free to ignore such threads.

It has been suggested that the NEC Console Forums roll back to what it was originally created for - talking about NEC related consoles.

By whom, if I may be so bold. 

Though we might do away with Fighting Street as 90% of the posts would fit in best under chit chat, and the other 10% end up being civilized discussions with slightly more cursing than usual, or sarcastic in good fun.

Agreed.  The same can be said of war rooms at most other forums as well.

[ooPo]

The only thing that bugs me is all the Fighting Street posts showing up in the unread post list. There's a lot of noise going on.

[PCEngineFX]

The only thing that bugs me is all the Fighting Street posts showing up in the unread post list. There's a lot of noise going on.

I'll keep looking into this.  It should have been fixed already (I still can't see them on my end which is strange).

EDIT: OH.....I'm sorry...this was fixed for the "View the most recent posts on the forum" list previously.  I'll look into changing it for the unread posts section today.

[Joe Redifer]

I don't think I could live without the Youtube thread.  Well I could, but I would be sad.

[nat]

I generally ignore 95% of the threads in the Chit Chat and Fighting Street area, although I realize I'm in the minority on this. If others see value to keeping them around, then I suppose that's fine with me. I'll continue ignoring 95% of the threads that show up there. 

[Duo_R]

agreed and hope this is fixed! If that happens I say we could probably keep.

The only thing that bugs me is all the Fighting Street posts showing up in the unread post list. There's a lot of noise going on.

[M1Savage]

Don't have a problem with general chat. I think the fighting street section reflects badly on the whole website but it is easy enough for me to ignore.

[Keranu]

I don't think I could live without the Youtube thread.  Well I could, but I would be sad.

That's the only thread in Chit Chat that I flat out avoid! I wish that thread was deleted so I wouldn't have to look at the title name anymore!

[rag-time4]

Don't have a problem with general chat. I think the fighting street section reflects badly on the whole website but it is easy enough for me to ignore.

As I see it, the video game areas of the forum have never exactly been kid-friendly. I don't think either the chit chat area or the fighting street area reflects poorly on the site.

Looking at my own stats, my posts in the turbo and PCE areas combined are equal to my number of posts in chit chat.

When I first signed up here... Keranu was the only moderator. I really liked the way he ran the forum. No offense to Joe and Nat, but I think that some problems arose here only after we increased the number of mods -- such as the Nintega saga. I seem to remember Nintega being around when I first signed up.... I don't remember him ever being a problem until after we had more mods.

I've had a lot of fun with the chit chat and fighting street areas, and i've had fun with the turbo and pce areas as well.

I have noticed, though, that there has been some clique-ism going on with Mike, Sini, and a few others becoming friends, then occasionally being rough with other members, particularly Joe, for not having 'friends'.... even though some users may not be coming here to make 'friends'.... I think we should all strive to be respectful to all other members. That's the standard I try to hold myself to, by God's grace. Maybe others would like to only be respectful to their friends. That's an issue that I've seen develop during my time here, and far more serious to the culture of the board than the fighting street and chit chat areas.

So I say we keep chit-chat and fighting street, and strive to be respectful of all other members.... because at the end of the day... TurboGrafx-16 rules dude!!!

[Ceti Alpha]

I like stuff.

[Sinistron]

Rags- you are mistaken.  Nintenga actually signed up after Nat and Joe became mods.

As for people saying Joe has no friends here- that wasn't from me.  I haven't been here all that long myself- so I wouldn't presume who has friends here and who doesn't- hell- even Zeta has at least one friend here.

As for me being cliquey- there's been a few times when I didn't involve myself in Mike's battles- I get involved when I feel someone's right- not because I'm part of some clique.  As it happens me and Mike agreed with each other more often than not- and neither of us are the type to remain silent.  Yeah- of course we're friends too- we talk on yahoo chat quite often- but I've never been the type to pick sides- in my physical life or on the internet.

[Sinistron]

I want to add for Rags-

I'm not sure I understand your implication anyway- let's say it was true that Nintega signed on before Nat and Joe became mods (he didn't)- how would the addition of Nat and Joe be the root of the problem?  I find your logic puzzling here.

First off- honestly- aside from the fact that Nat and Joe were mods before Nintega showed up- we might as well stop referring to Keranu as a mod.  This is in no way a reflection on him as a person- but since I've been here I haven't seen him do a lick of moderating- whenever moderating duties are mentioned he just brings up his point that there should BE NO MODERATING.  Making Keranu moderator is like making the Unabomber the Dean of ITT Tech.  Just doesn't add up. 

Secondly- you seem to have no clue what you're talking about regarding Nintega.  I noticed his stupidity from his very first posts- when he'd ask questions in threads where the answers were spelled out for him in bold if he'd actually read the thread he was posting in.  From there it just snowballed- like there was a million dollar prize waiting for him if he could just double the amount of stupidity each day for three months.  He recently (a week ago) just got suspended yet again from youtube (he's back again of course)- and I can ASSURE YOU that it wasn't due to me or Mike.  He got kicked off of Rising Stuff forums- and it wasn't because of Nectarsis.  The kid is a jackass- plain and simple.  You couldn't sound less informed on the matter Rags.

[M1Savage]

So I say we keep chit-chat and fighting street, and strive to be respectful of all other members.... because at the end of the day... TurboGrafx-16 rules dude!!!

But the whole purpose of fighting street is to be disrespectful to others. Even if it's done in jest, it's still very immature. I know that if I happened upon this forum for the first time today looking for pc-fx information and saw the posts there, I probably wouldn't be back. By the way, just want to say  to Joe for his deleted post there. Point well made for some form of moderation.

[Sinistron]

Actually savage- and this should go without saying- the whole purpose of Fighting Street was for people to take their differences outside of the main forum- in an area segregated from the other boards.  So far Aaron is still working on that so that it doesn't pop up in recent and unread posts. 

As for you thinking that Joe making a thread making fun of Aaron was a point well made for moderation- explain to me how so- considering that 1) No one else was likely to make a thread making fun of Aaron 2) the racist bullshit only started when Joe made a thread about it- in my opinion he's the only one tasteless enough to have started that 3) a moderator instantly going out of his way making a point for moderation in an unmoderated forum should just show you how Joe is a Nazi who can't deal with not having mod power- I didn't see Nat making a big deal about it, and 4) the bulk of the people who were posting in Fighting Street found Joe's nonsense in bad taste.

Joe always loves to overuse his mod powers- making a fuss even in the unmoderated area about how a topic should be elsewhere- locking threads for people going "off topic" as if he doesn't do it everyday himself when he derails threads with his corny non sequiturs.

If you think Joe's point was well made- then I'd hate to be on a debate team with you- because we'd get destroyed.

[M1Savage]

   Yes, I know it was Aaron who deleted the post. I still stand by what I said above.

[Sinistron]

Yeah I deleted that point- reread my post- and you can stand by what you said all you want- your logic still doesn't work and you haven't convinced me otherwise- or refuted anything I've said.  Go get 'em Tiger.

Regardless- this m1savage talks about what would make people come here less and be less active on the forums- this guy's been here since July 2001 and has 180 posts to his name.  He couldn't be more of a freshman if he wore a propellor cap and changed his name to Flounder.

[NecroPhile]

Fighting Street's stated purpose is that it's for ranting, raving, and the airing of grievances, yet the majority of threads are little more than Chit-Chat threads with double the puerility and vulgarity.  90% of what's in there lack the emotion and vehemence of a rant/rave and have nothing to do with someone who's been wronged, so why are they in Fighting Street?  Just to avoid the already lenient forum rules?

[Joe Redifer]

I've never been the type to pick sides

I LOL'd.  You may not think so, but it sure appears that you do.  Remember, not everyone sees you as you see you (that goes for everyone else as well).

Joe always loves to overuse his mod powers

Oh?  I've barely even done anything as a mod.  I've banned maybe 2 or 3 people.  Moved some threads.  Closed a few.  Wow... soooo much mod action going on there it's like I'm addicted or something!  I CAN'T BE STOPPED!

[Sinistron]

This is true about the misplacement of a number of these threads.  I myself placed my Race is On clear battle thread in there merely because it's a competition and in some sense a "fight"- would it place better in the pce discussion threads?  Maybe.  I don't think it's that big a deal.  

However- though 90% of the threads could be elsewhere- there's still that 10%.  Take it for granted that Fighting Street won't be used on the regular for its truest intention- but when heated arguments arise (and they most surely will) that threaten to dislodge one of the common boards- the point is that there is a place to take it.  

Want to say something else here too (I'm always yapping, eh?)- on Chit-chat- I've said my bit on Fighting Street.  Why is chit-chat being considered for removal?  It's hugely popular.  You say to get back to the focus of what you created this site for Aaron- but it's not like you yourself haven't started threads regarding astronomy and your telescope- so what gives?  This site is great because of its FORUM.  A FORUM I should remind you is made up of its members.  To be completely honest I don't think people come here much for system/games info other than your PC-FX info.  There's sites that are rich resources for TG and PCE columns and reviews- and aside from runin's older thread (created by a member- not you) this isn't one of them.  I'm not trying to sound mean or put you down- it's just how it is.  The forum makes this site.  Yes- you created it- yes you worked hard on the layout- but if you continue to keep this page then you have to realize that it's bigger than you- and the content to a large degree is out of your hands.  The chit-chat forum is a success because people like to talk to each other about more things than systems and games.  I'd start being concerned if a number of posters only come here for chit-chat and fighting street and nothing else- but so far that isn't the case and the non-platform specific attention whores like Kitsunexus are long gone.

[Sinistron]

I LOL'd.  You may not think so, but it sure appears that you do.  Remember, not everyone sees you as you see you (that goes for everyone else as well).

When Mike lashed out at Missa did I get involved?  No I did not.  When Mike first told me how he disliked Game Watch & Kirby did I agree with him?   Not at first- I came to my own conclusions after more involvement with her.  There was even a bunch of times when I tried to be civil with Nintega while Mike roasted him- gave him numerous chances and offered him my advice.  There ARE other examples- for me to go searching through all of Mike's fights seem redundant.  On appearances Joe- things are seen as you wish to see them- unless you open your eyes wider.

Oh?  I've barely even done anything as a mod.  I've banned maybe 2 or 3 people.  Moved some threads.  Closed a few.  Wow... soooo much mod action going on there it's like I'm addicted or something!  I CAN'T BE STOPPED!

LOL- why- are there other actions you can do as a mod that I'm unaware of?  You pretty much named them all.  I didn't suggest that you can move mountains- and gods help us if could- you'd push one into a lake.  As for your "I CAN'T BE STOPPED!" sarcasm- relax.  I think we both know that you can be nullified quite easily- or at least set up to step on your own stupid Tex Avery-esque tongue.

[esteban]

You know, we can speak to one another without being insulting. Just a suggestion...

As for Fighting Street... if folks want to waste time there, so be it. There is no denying that it is pretty lame, of course.

Now, if only the negative energy and pointless threads here at pcefx could be harnessed and converted into insightful threads that are worth reading...



P.S. I have no idea what this thread is about, nor did I bother reading it. Thank you.

[Sinistron]

LOL-
maybe me and Joe should mosey on down to FIGHTING STREET! 

it's where the action is...

[Joe Redifer]

Eh... I don't really feel like arguing now.  Maybe in the future or something.

[Sinistron]

Good deal.  I'm kind of spent myself. 

[Duo_R]

Aaron,

I still see Fighting Street posts when I click "unread posts," if we can't fix this I suggest we either can the Fighting Street threads or change the naming convention for the posts (like not explicit language in the subject).

I think it is a bad experience for someone to join here and then see posts pop up with exploits (which is why I suggested some cleanup the headers until we fix).


Edit: per Sinistron's suggestion I clarified how I think we should take this.

[rag-time4]

Rags- you are mistaken.  Nintenga actually signed up after Nat and Joe became mods.

As for people saying Joe has no friends here- that wasn't from me.  I haven't been here all that long myself- so I wouldn't presume who has friends here and who doesn't- hell- even Zeta has at least one friend here.

As for me being cliquey- there's been a few times when I didn't involve myself in Mike's battles- I get involved when I feel someone's right- not because I'm part of some clique.  As it happens me and Mike agreed with each other more often than not- and neither of us are the type to remain silent.  Yeah- of course we're friends too- we talk on yahoo chat quite often- but I've never been the type to pick sides- in my physical life or on the internet.

Sinistron... I want to be clear that I don't in any way intend to be condescending toward you for "being cliquey." I know you and Mike really hit it off, and I think that's awesome. I see Keranu, steve/esteban, and Black Tiger as a bit of a clique also. I don't see anything wrong with building stronger friendships with other members.

I am uninformed on the Nintega saga, because the guy was a total non-issue with me. I never had much interest in talking to him. I notice, as I'm writing this and thinking about it, that the people you guys have taken to task the most are also people that I haven't spent much time talking to. My way of dealing with it here on PCEFX is to just not talk to someone whose behavior I really don't like, while your way seems to be to point out the behavior that you don't like and give the person a chance to change their behavior. Am I correct here?

The thing that I think is most important is that Aaron's underlying purpose of the message board is for people to come and exchange NEC console information. Therefore, as I read it, it makes the most sense for the forum to have as many NEC console experts as possible.

In their own ways, Tom/Bonknuts, Zeta, and Joe are most certainly NEC console experts. If a NEC noob signed up and posted up a question on the message board, there's a good chance any of these three would be able to contribute.

I want to add for Rags-

First off- honestly- aside from the fact that Nat and Joe were mods before Nintega showed up- we might as well stop referring to Keranu as a mod.  This is in no way a reflection on him as a person- but since I've been here I haven't seen him do a lick of moderating- whenever moderating duties are mentioned he just brings up his point that there should BE NO MODERATING.  Making Keranu moderator is like making the Unabomber the Dean of ITT Tech.  Just doesn't add up. 

Keranu locked one of my threads once when i was pretty new here... when I posted the same thread in both the turbo sales and pc engine sales! He's also been good about updating and fixing high score threads. The sales threads are where moderating is most important, in my opinion. Anything I said previously about respecting other members shouldn't apply to scumbag sellers.

If I may ask, what were the specific problems that led to Joe and Nat joining keranu as moderators? And I won't stop referring to Keranu as a mod until he's no longer a mod. He has his own style and his style is tied to his political and religious worldview, so I'm going to choose to treat him with respect as a mod. If you have a problem with that, I suggest we roll up our sleeves and head over to Fighting Street 

[nat]

If I may ask, what were the specific problems that led to Joe and Nat joining keranu as moderators?

This forum went through exponential growth in terms of members & post count during the 2006 and 2007 calendar years. When it was evident this process was underway, Aaron decided to add two moderators. That is all.

[PCEngineFX]

Just for everyone's info - I had zero time to work on the unread posts issue last night.  As soon as I get home from work (in 2 hours) I will make this #1 priority.

The reason I wanted to post up this poll is to get member reaction on the change.  I won't do it if it doesn't make sense to both the site, and to the members of the forum.

I hope to be back in a few hours with that forum update...

[M1Savage]

Yeah I deleted that point- reread my post- and you can stand by what you said all you want- your logic still doesn't work and you haven't convinced me otherwise- or refuted anything I've said.  Go get 'em Tiger.

Regardless- this m1savage talks about what would make people come here less and be less active on the forums- this guy's been here since July 2001 and has 180 posts to his name.  He couldn't be more of a freshman if he wore a propellor cap and changed his name to Flounder.

Now you're being disrespectful to me which of course you have every right to be. I was never trying to convince you of anything or refute anything you've said.  Aaron asked for opinions on the subject, you gave yours and I gave mine. So they happen to be different, big deal. Just to clarify, I've actually been a member here longer than since July 2001. That's just how long it's been since the forum was changed. As for my low post count (in your opinion), I've already had most of these discussions that are taking place here over a decade ago.

[PCEngineFX]

The "Show unread posts since last visit." link from now on will not show posts from the Fighting Street forum.

I fracked up something else in the process which I am fixing next.

[Keranu]

Making Keranu moderator is like making the Unabomber the Dean of ITT Tech.  Just doesn't add up.

I think this was the coolest post I've read all year. Thanks!

And I won't stop referring to Keranu as a mod until he's no longer a mod.

The only reason I'm still a mod is so I can have the cool moderator title under my belt! Oh and so I can read the secret mod only posts.

On a sidenote, I'd like to say that I don't think nat and Joe are bad mods at all. I don't believe in forum moderating, but they could be way worse.

[Sinistron]

Yeah I deleted that point- reread my post- and you can stand by what you said all you want- your logic still doesn't work and you haven't convinced me otherwise- or refuted anything I've said.  Go get 'em Tiger.

Regardless- this m1savage talks about what would make people come here less and be less active on the forums- this guy's been here since July 2001 and has 180 posts to his name.  He couldn't be more of a freshman if he wore a propellor cap and changed his name to Flounder.

Now you're being disrespectful to me which of course you have every right to be. I was never trying to convince you of anything or refute anything you've said.  Aaron asked for opinions on the subject, you gave yours and I gave mine. So they happen to be different, big deal. Just to clarify, I've actually been a member here longer than since July 2001. That's just how long it's been since the forum was changed. As for my low post count (in your opinion), I've already had
most of these discussions that are taking place here over a decade ago.

You've had "most" of these discussions since before 2001- so are you saying that there's only been 180 posts worth of relevant discussion on this forum since then? Or are you saying that you lived vicariously for 8 years through the actual people who were discussing while you "played the wall" so to speak and nodded your head birdishly sipping a Zima while others were on the floor dancing and moving? 

By the way my "disrespect" welcomes itself in the form of "if"s "or"s and "like"s in non-profane, impersonal whimsical visuals so it's nothing really over the top.  If you'd like we can waltz over to fighting street where there's no grass- only concrete and piss-stained johnny pumps.  I hear they even have their own Dunkin' Donuts.

[NecroPhile]

I fracked up something else in the process which I am fixing next.

Is this the forum hierarchy thingy (please pardon the technical terminology) near the top of the page?  If not, then you can add it to the to-do list.

[PCEngineFX]

Can you be more specific Necromancer?  I'm not sure what you mean by forum hierarchy...

[NecroPhile]

I'm talking about the thing under the home/help/search/etc. tabs near the top of the screen.  This page's looks like this:

> The Pcenginefx World > pcengine-fx.com - The NEC Console Resource Site > Comments & Suggestions > Post reply ( Re: Forum change - General Chat & Fighting Street )

It used to start at the main page and work its way down the line, but now it's not listing the main page (I think it was listing even less earlier).  It's certainly not a big deal; I can just click on the home tab instead to get back to the main page.

[guyjin]

On a sidenote, I'd like to say that I don't think nat and Joe are bad mods at all. I don't believe in forum moderating, but they could be way worse.

Feel free to tell me it's none of my business, but if you don't believe in forum moderation, why did you sign up for the job in the first place? That's kind like an Atheist asking to be the Pope!

Also, back to the subject: This forum would be far less interesting without chit chat. I probably wouldn't come as often if it weren't there. As for Fighting Street, it's a new fad - does anyone remember when it seemed like the Shoutbox was killing Chit Chat? Eventually it'll settle down to be more like it's intended purpose, but for now we're all high on the new car smell.