Snerd logic / "proof" that the PC Engine (and eveything non-Nintendo) sux

CrackTiger · 04/12/2009, 09:06 PM

Here are some ramblings from a hopeless Snerd commenting on one of my youtube videos-

Quote...the best graphics and sounds of the 16 bit era belong to the Snes.

QuoteImagine Final Fantasy III on the Turbograpx....would the color schemes of Bonk work well with the atmosphere?

QuoteThe megadrive in my opnion didn't use its full potentials very well. I doubt other than sports games (which most sadly do not age well) and then the only games that really showed off its processor speed was the sonic series. Others did to a lesser degree, but those that did show weren't much more than average games...the games that you mention are fairly decent, but not legendary.

QuoteSonic three may be faster than Yoshi's Island, but, stop frame both games and compare the screenshots...you'll see a HUGE difference in color and presentation.

QuoteRemember the processor means nothinn once you hit the prerender years...Donkey Kong, and onward would be the benchmark...then, SNES just blew away, because it didn't rely on processor speed, but on the raw power of the system. PCengine and the Megadrive could not do what the snes did at its best if they tried: Chrono, Yoshi's Island, etc. What the snes fell behind in was more than made up for with its incredible strengths. A processor is like this: its not how much you have, but how you use it.

QuotePlug in the Jaguar versions of Doom and Sega 32x versions, and compare the music to the Sens version...the difference will blow you away in quality drops.

QuoteHere's a good example...the Snes is like a ford f350 super duty, while the PCengine and genesis are like pontiac Sunfire and Grand Prix. In a short dash, the Snes would not win...but...what about in the long run? Or as a performance machine as a whole? You can't pull 5 tons with a sunfire.

In response to comparing the PCE & SFC Neo Geo ports-

QuoteThe neo geo is a whole otehr argumant. It was something different and used a completely different method in its game architectures.
Both the snes and genesis would need remodeling in order to present the games the NG did.

In response to CD games having better sound than SNES games-

QuoteFew times have they proved this. Is there any soundtracks out there that are as legendary or as well-known as Chrono Trigger or Final Fantasy III? OR Actraiser?
So far, I've seen few examples that beat the Snes best efforts. They must not have tried hard enough.

QuoteThe ebst sounds and graphics on the standalone Snes beat all the graphics and soundtracks off the Turbo/CD anyday. Only a few games come close.

Proof of knowing the Turbo/PCE library inside out-

QuoteThe standalone turbographics 16 without the cd addon did not impress me with its capabilities save soem of tis shooters...the most being Blazing Lazers.
The Turbo Cd had some great games though...Lords of Thunder for the TG Cd is better than the Sega Cd version, which surprised me. And of course, Dracula X, and the Supergraphics version of Ghouls and Ghouls/Ghost and Goblins.

Bonus N64 fanboy comment-

QuoteThe 64 was worlds more powerful than the PS1, but, couldn't ever truly establish it other than a few games to show off its true prowess (Conker/Banjo Tooie, Turok 3), and even then it wasn't much as far as potential maxim goes.

TR0N · 04/13/2009, 12:57 AM

Those comments make me cringe though even more so for reponse on Ys III.I've seen them on youtube where people think the snes version of,Ys III has the better music.

Tatsujin · 04/13/2009, 01:05 AM

lol. now, that was a very good laugh

what a stupid kid. nothing he had really seen on the pce yet. the prerender years?

Joe Redifer · 04/13/2009, 01:22 AM

CrackTiger you just really need to give up and admit that the SNES is the best. Not only does it have better music and sound quality than the TurboGraffix CD but it has better video and sound than the PS3 or Blu-ray as well. Sure, the SNES may lose in the short dash, but not the long haul. That's right, the SNES may take 3 years to fully process all of the code that exists in level 1 of Air Zonk, but it can do it and without any errors, too! I just can't imagine Final Fantasy or Uniracers or Ken Griffy Jr Baseball with the Bonk color scheme can you imagine how horrible that would be! I know it would be horrible because Bonk represents the ONLY colors that the Tubbograpicks can do.

Tatsujin · 04/13/2009, 01:28 AM

Arkhan Asylum · 04/13/2009, 01:39 AM

what the fuck? No link to the vids so we can reply to his stupidity? post links pleeeease

FF3 on the Turbo Grapx? Cant picture that since I ono what turbo grapx's are

But, apparently he is unaware of the amazing games for PCE CD.

Moron.

LOL it is just a whole mess of ignorant nonsense. phantasy star IV anyone?

Adudrudrererp.

just link to your anearth fantasy video and give him the e-finger.

that n64 comment made me LOL. True ignorance right there.

Zeon · 04/13/2009, 02:08 AM

Quote from: TR0N on 04/13/2009, 12:57 AM Those comments make me cringe though even more so for reponse on Ys III.I've seen them on youtube where people think the snes version of,Ys III has the better music.

Now now TR0N, we all know that the genesis has the superior music of the four console versions, you are just deluding yourself.

esteban · 04/13/2009, 02:11 AM

You can't argue with gems like:

QuoteIs there any soundtracks out there that are as legendary or as well-known as Chrono Trigger or Final Fantasy III? OR Actraiser?

Now, these SNES games do have great soundtracks. But...............

Zeon · 04/13/2009, 02:24 AM

Or this one:

QuoteThe 64 was worlds more powerful than the PS1, but, couldn't ever truly establish it other than a few games to show off its true prowess (Conker/Banjo Tooie, Turok 3), and even then it wasn't much as far as potential maxim goes.

Because we all know that power makes an awesome console and games. Forget the stuff like gameplay, level design, atmosphere, controls, and the fun factor of the games on a system, that stuff isn't important at all.

By this argument the saturn should have TROUNCED the psx and n64 both in terms of power and potential.

Man what a doofus.

Arkhan Asylum · 04/13/2009, 04:18 AM

we need links to the comments so we can collectively bash the rere!

termis · 04/13/2009, 04:36 AM

SNES was a damn good system, but nothing can be the best of everything.

I wish Nintendo would've given the green light to the SNES CD-ROM, equipped with a fast processor.

I wish Sega equipped their CD add-on with a better color palette -- the 32x-spec should've been built in from the get-go.

(...and concentrated on REAL games as opposed to FMV crap)
I wish NEC would've added SuperGrafx capabilities to the Duo.

Now, I know there are practical reasons for not doing some of these, but only if...

Arkhan Asylum · 04/13/2009, 04:37 AM

arguing about what cartridge based system is the best is like arguing about which sex position you like most.

Turbo D · 04/13/2009, 05:55 AM

hmm..doggystyle( I like ass) or cowgirl(I get lazy sometimes, lol)?

NecroPhile · 04/13/2009, 05:28 PM

Pre-rendered years?!? They're just sprites, ya blindly biased fanboy; if only the SNES could do it, then please explain Vectorman. And Blazing Lazers is the penultimate HuCard shmup, eh? Bitch, please!

Don't bother posting a link to his comments; I'm not interested in battling wits with an unarmed man.

CrackTiger · 04/13/2009, 05:39 PM

Quote from: Zeon on 04/13/2009, 02:08 AM
Quote from: TR0N on 04/13/2009, 12:57 AM Those comments make me cringe though even more so for reponse on Ys III.I've seen them on youtube where people think the snes version of,Ys III has the better music.
Now now TR0N, we all know that the genesis has the superior music of the four console versions, you are just deluding yourself.

I believe that it was EGM that said in a review that Dracula XX SNES had better music than Dracula X PCE. Which actually plays into my explanation I gave him that legendary-ness/well-known-ness is just popularity and magazine perpetuated myth, which is separate from quality.

Arkhan Asylum · 04/13/2009, 08:33 PM

Quote from: NecroPhile on 04/13/2009, 05:28 PMPre-rendered years?!? They're just sprites, ya blindly biased fanboy; if only the SNES could do it, then please explain Vectorman. And Blazing Lazers is the penultimate HuCard shmup, eh? Bitch, please!

Don't bother posting a link to his comments; I'm not interested in battling wits with an unarmed man.

aw but i love pickin on retarts

CrackTiger · 04/13/2009, 09:10 PM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 04/13/2009, 08:33 PM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 04/13/2009, 05:28 PMPre-rendered years?!? They're just sprites, ya blindly biased fanboy; if only the SNES could do it, then please explain Vectorman. And Blazing Lazers is the penultimate HuCard shmup, eh? Bitch, please!

Don't bother posting a link to his comments; I'm not interested in battling wits with an unarmed man.
aw but i love pickin on retarts

Alright... many of my responses didn't reply under his and the comments as a whole are a mess.

But his ID is Steelix123

TR0N · 04/13/2009, 11:37 PM

Quote from: Zeon on 04/13/2009, 02:08 AM
Quote from: TR0N on 04/13/2009, 12:57 AM Those comments make me cringe though even more so for reponse on Ys III.I've seen them on youtube where people think the snes version of,Ys III has the better music.
Now now TR0N, we all know that the genesis has the superior music of the four console versions, you are just deluding yourself.

Naw it's all muddy and too much bass makes my ears bleed

Arkhan Asylum · 04/13/2009, 11:46 PM

my face melted from the guitar riff at the end of the video and I forgot what i wanted to say to steelydan

Arkhan Asylum · 04/14/2009, 04:27 AM

aw comments are disabled now

i was having fun picking on the tardo

OldRover · 04/18/2009, 07:50 AM

A little late in posting here but whatever...

If the whole "prerendered" thing is the end-all of quality, then Sapphire is the greatest shooter ever. EVAR!

NecroPhile · 04/20/2009, 12:25 PM

Quote from: The Old Rover on 04/18/2009, 07:50 AMIf the whole "prerendered" thing is the end-all of quality, then Sapphire is the greatest shooter ever. EVAR!

Indeed; it's greater than any SNES shooter ever, anyway. I also find it humorous how he believes that Yoshi's Island proves the supreme power of the SNES, seemingly oblivious to the fact that it relies on a FX chip for its fancy effects.

Arkhan Asylum · 04/20/2009, 06:37 PM

and the fact that its a bright cartoony mess.

NES could pull the same thing off in lower res probably. its not like theres depth to the colors -_-

dumbshits.

NecroPhile · 04/21/2009, 01:57 PM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 04/20/2009, 06:37 PMNES could pull the same thing off in lower res probably. its not like theres depth to the colors -_-

Now you sound like a fan boy; you may not care for the game, but that doesn't negate all of its technical merit. The graphics may look like they were drawn with colored pencils, but they're still far more colorful than the NES could ever muster, not to mention the various layering effects and sprite scaling/stretching.

Arkhan Asylum · 04/22/2009, 03:08 AM

Quote from: NecroPhile on 04/21/2009, 01:57 PM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 04/20/2009, 06:37 PMNES could pull the same thing off in lower res probably. its not like theres depth to the colors -_-
Now you sound like a fan boy; you may not care for the game, but that doesn't negate all of its technical merit. The graphics may look like they were drawn with colored pencils, but they're still far more colorful than the NES could ever muster, not to mention the various layering effects and sprite scaling/stretching.

No, I am just saying, visually, the NES could achieve a similar atmopshere, albeit without some of the flashythings like mode7, giant sprite bosses, and parallax/whatnot.

Im talking strictly color wise. its not detailed heavily shaded and done up art. Its flat cartoony..

-_-

Like Kirby or something.

plus, I like Yoshi's Island alot, lol.

PCEngineHell · 01/12/2012, 10:44 AM

I agree to nothing.

CrackTiger · 01/12/2012, 01:25 PM

Wow, I didn't realize that Fighting Street was already so old.

Arjak · 01/12/2012, 01:51 PM

Ah, fan boys...the biggest obstacle to objective thinking in gaming. All three systems (Genesis, PCE, and SNES), have unique qualities and great games that take advantage of them, so I've never understood fan boy arguments. What makes this even more hilarious is the fact that these weirdos still feel some strange need to justify a purchase they made in 1992. It's sad that some gamers are still having the same fights they had when they were six. These consoles can, for the most part, be found for a fraction of their original cost now, so why people feel this intense need to support their original decision that they made two decades ago is beyond me.

My first system was a Sega Genesis, and even when I was a kid, I was intrigued by the games of the SNES. I wanted the best of both worlds, and eventually, I did get a SNES. Even though the Genesis is still my favorite, you don't see me trashing the SNES or PCE because of it.

One of the most hilarious things I've seen in the past few years was when Pier Solar came out for the Genesis, and all of a sudden, all the Nintendo fan boys who mocked the Genesis for (supposedly) not having any good RPGs were incredibly offended. It was like, "How dare they! How DARE they make an awesome RPG for Sega! HOW DARE THEY make our bullshit argument look even more stupid!" People actually complained and asked about a SNES version! Just go to eBay and buy a Genesis for $20-30, you jackasses.

Tatsujin · 01/12/2012, 07:21 PM

lol yeah, peeps do all kind of shit these days.

esteban · 01/14/2012, 10:06 AM

Quote from: Arjak on 01/12/2012, 01:51 PMAh, fan boys...the biggest obstacle to objective thinking in gaming. All three systems (Genesis, PCE, and SNES), have unique qualities and great games that take advantage of them, so I've never understood fan boy arguments. What makes this even more hilarious is the fact that these weirdos still feel some strange need to justify a purchase they made in 1992. It's sad that some gamers are still having the same fights they had when they were six. These consoles can, for the most part, be found for a fraction of their original cost now, so why people feel this intense need to support their original decision that they made two decades ago is beyond me.

My first system was a Sega Genesis, and even when I was a kid, I was intrigued by the games of the SNES. I wanted the best of both worlds, and eventually, I did get a SNES. Even though the Genesis is still my favorite, you don't see me trashing the SNES or PCE because of it.

One of the most hilarious things I've seen in the past few years was when Pier Solar came out for the Genesis, and all of a sudden, all the Nintendo fan boys who mocked the Genesis for (supposedly) not having any good RPGs were incredibly offended. It was like, "How dare they! How DARE they make an awesome RPG for Sega! HOW DARE THEY make our bullshit argument look even more stupid!" People actually complained and asked about a SNES version! Just go to eBay and buy a Genesis for $20-30, you jackasses.

Hell, even the 3DO has a few games worth playing ;)

Anyway, I find the Android vs. iOS debate today is like re-living the 16-bit console wars of our youth.

Except... we have armies of adults participating in the debate today, whereas the 16-bit battles were primarily fought by kids.

[RANDOM:] I remember when BluRay vs. HD-DVD was a very vital, relevant debate. I remember when RealAudio dominated the web...[/end]

geise · 01/14/2012, 11:15 AM

Haha! Real audio. Man that was as bad as if not worse than microsofts .asf streaming format.

esteban · 01/14/2012, 01:01 PM

Quote from: geise on 01/14/2012, 11:15 AMHaha! Real audio. Man that was as bad as if not worse than microsofts .asf streaming format.

I learned to loathe RealAudio... and I honestly thought they would be around forever (thank goodness that didn't happen).

geise · 01/14/2012, 02:40 PM

What's sad is from time to time I still come across sites that "require" the real audio plug-in. Crazy i tell ya!

esteban · 01/14/2012, 09:46 PM

Quote from: geise on 01/14/2012, 02:40 PMWhat's sad is from time to time I still come across sites that "require" the real audio plug-in. Crazy i tell ya!

ahhahhahahahahaha.

guyjin · 01/21/2012, 01:28 AM

what's wrong with realaudio, exactly?

esteban · 01/21/2012, 06:21 AM

Quote from: guyjin on 01/21/2012, 01:28 AMwhat's wrong with realaudio, exactly?

RegalSin, is that you?

Back in the old internet days, RealAudio had an insanely pervasive reach over audio files (and later, streaming) on websites. Major media and fan sites alike adopted RA's format. I remember a lot of performance issues, and being frustrated that I (we) were locked into RA (since companies had invested in it, all their archives and media were in proprietary format).

Even after it was clear that RA was "dead", we were stuck with legacy files for years and years (sites did not care or did not have time & money to convert media to other formats).

So, RA persisted, like untreated athlete's foot. HORRIBLE.