PC Engine flash cartridge question

Ace · 12/03/2009, 10:51 AM

I'm looking to buy a PC Engine flash cartridge, but I have a question. Which of the currently available flash cartridges(Tototek, NEO) support System Cards, more specifically, the Super System Card? I found this picture on Tototek's website showing a PC Engine Duo-R running the System 1.0 card on the Tototek flash cartridge, but I'm wondering if that flash cartridge or the NEO flash cartridge can be used as a Super System Card? Or am I SOL and have to import a Japanese Super System Card(I have a region-modded TurboGrafx with the TurboGrafx CD, so playing Japanese HuCards is not a problem, not to mention the US Super System Card is crazy expensive)?

OldRover · 12/03/2009, 11:14 AM

None of them can actually function as a super system card, as far as I know. Running system 1 or system 2 might be possible, but system 3 adds an additional memory bank to the system so a flash cart can't be used for that purpose.

NecroPhile · 12/03/2009, 11:44 AM

A flash cart can be used as a system card, but only if the memory is already present in your system (i.e. - using it as a 1.0 card to play Altered Beast or as a 2.0 card to see SCD error screens on a Duo). I suggest you skip the SCD card and go straight to the Arcade Card Pro (the Pro card has the extra 1.5mb of memory missing in non-SCD systems). They're not much more expensive than a Super System card and you'll probably want it eventually anyway.

Ace · 12/03/2009, 10:35 PM

Huh... last I saw on eBay, there were only Arcade Card Duos, but looking at the prices now, a Super System Card and an Arcade Card Pro seem to be about the same price. I may go for the Arcade Card Pro instead of the Super System Card.

Are there any good Shoot-em-Ups for PC Engine Arcade CD-ROM?

nat · 12/03/2009, 10:40 PM

Haha. Are there.

http://www.thebrothersduomazov.com/search/label/Sapphire

Ace · 12/03/2009, 10:43 PM

Hell yes! That's the kind of stuff I'm going for. Thanks Nat!

I just remembered something: what's so special about Altered Beast that it ABSOLUTELY REQUIRES the System 1.0 card?

nat · 12/03/2009, 10:45 PM

It was designed before System 2.0 came out, and inadvertently contains a bug that causes it to freeze when run under 2.0.

rag-time4 · 12/04/2009, 10:23 PM

All of this begs the question as to whether the TurboGrafx uses cards or cartridges.

Quote from: guest on 12/03/2009, 11:44 AMA flash cart can be used as a system card...

So which is it, a cart or a card?

TurbografxKid · 12/04/2009, 11:14 PM

Quote from: rag-time4 on 12/04/2009, 10:23 PMAll of this begs the question as to whether the TurboGrafx uses cards or cartridges.

Quote from: guest on 12/03/2009, 11:44 AMA flash cart can be used as a system card...
So which is it, a cart or a card?

This pic is from the back of my Turbo Grafx 16 box. It is not my opinion. This is NEC's opinion.

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CrackTiger · 12/05/2009, 12:10 AM

Quote from: TurbografxKid on 12/04/2009, 11:14 PM
Quote from: rag-time4 on 12/04/2009, 10:23 PMAll of this begs the question as to whether the TurboGrafx uses cards or cartridges.

Quote from: NecroPhile on 12/03/2009, 11:44 AMA flash cart can be used as a system card...
So which is it, a cart or a card?
This pic is from the back of my Turbo Grafx 16 box. It is not my opinion. This is NEC's opinion.
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Those are the same people who called HuCards "Turbochips". So which is it, a card or a chip?

Of course, that quote just as easily means that game cards 'make convenient cartridges a thing of the present'. It actually makes less sense as an endorsement of cards-aren't-carts, since obviously the "awkward carts" comment is meant as a swipe against the current competition which was present at the time. Also, game cards had been around for years in North America and were therefore also a thing of the past.

rag-time4 · 12/05/2009, 12:41 AM

Quote from: guest on 12/05/2009, 12:10 AMThose are the same people who called HuCards "Turbochips". So which is it, a card or a chip?

You could be opening a major, major can of worms here black tiger...

But in all seriousness, TurboChips^TM is just a trademarked name that has nothing to do with the actual functionality of the game media. Clearly, the games are cards ("game cards"), which is why there is no such thing as a "system cart 3.0" for either turbografx or pcengine...

Ace · 12/05/2009, 12:53 AM

Quote from: rag-time4 on 12/04/2009, 10:23 PMSo which is it, a cart or a card?

It's a cartridge shaped like a credit card. End of story.

rag-time4 · 12/05/2009, 12:59 AM

Quote from: Ace on 12/05/2009, 12:53 AM
Quote from: rag-time4 on 12/04/2009, 10:23 PMSo which is it, a cart or a card?
It's a cartridge shaped like a credit card. End of story.

Cartridges are bulky and clunky, unlike the game cards used by the TurboGrafx.

Turbo D · 12/05/2009, 01:00 AM

It's a game on a card, end of story.

Charlie · 12/05/2009, 09:05 AM

We already had this discussion here somewhere....but I don't remember what the majority vote was; it may not even have been resolved yet.

Charlie

esteban · 12/05/2009, 10:13 AM

Quote from: Ace on 12/05/2009, 12:53 AM
Quote from: rag-time4 on 12/04/2009, 10:23 PMSo which is it, a cart or a card?
It's a ~~cartridge shaped like a credit~~ card. End of story.

I wholeheartedly agree.

TurbografxKid · 12/06/2009, 08:23 AM

There seems to be two camps here that have philosophical differences and can't find common ground.

esteban · 12/06/2009, 09:22 AM

Quote from: TurbografxKid on 12/06/2009, 08:23 AMThere seems to be two camps here that have philosophical differences and can't find common ground.

Quite true. We have been really patient and gracious with the "pro-cartridge" evangelists, but it can be tough at times. One of these days, they will see the error of their thoughts.

geise · 12/06/2009, 11:11 AM

It's not a card or a cartridge. It's an awesome piece of plastic that has memory on it, which lets you play kick as games!

CrackTiger · 12/06/2009, 02:21 PM

Quote from: rag-time4 on 12/05/2009, 12:41 AM
Quote from: CrackTiger on 12/05/2009, 12:10 AMThose are the same people who called HuCards "Turbochips". So which is it, a card or a chip?
You could be opening a major, major can of worms here black tiger...

But in all seriousness, TurboChips^TM is just a trademarked name that has nothing to do with the actual functionality of the game media. Clearly, the games are cards ("game cards"), which is why there is no such thing as a "system cart 3.0" for either turbografx or pcengine...

They also call CDs "ROM ROM's", but they're still the same medium as a CD.

rag-time4 · 12/07/2009, 12:21 AM

Quote from: guest on 12/06/2009, 02:21 PM
Quote from: rag-time4 on 12/05/2009, 12:41 AM
Quote from: guest on 12/05/2009, 12:10 AMThose are the same people who called HuCards "Turbochips". So which is it, a card or a chip?
You could be opening a major, major can of worms here black tiger...

But in all seriousness, TurboChips^TM is just a trademarked name that has nothing to do with the actual functionality of the game media. Clearly, the games are cards ("game cards"), which is why there is no such thing as a "system cart 3.0" for either turbografx or pcengine...
They also call CDs "ROM ROM's", but they're still the same medium as a CD.

This is a point I'm willing to concede. Even the Japanese Hudson girl you hear when you play a japanese game in a cd player says "CD-Rom disku desu", so "CD ROM-ROM" has about as much technical relevance as "Turbochip". Both are just marketing devices.

Quite creative marketing devices, I might add.

BlackandBlue · 12/07/2009, 10:44 AM

Maybe the Turbochip portion may be referring to the physical memory chip glued to the card. If the were cartridges, they would have been called HuCartidges, duh!

And don't go looking up the Wikipedia page and telling me it falls under cartridge, because if you look up HuCard (or even BeeCard), I count the word card in the description more than the word cartridge.

NecroPhile · 12/07/2009, 11:58 AM

Cartridge or card..... who gives a shit? I calls 'em like I sees 'em - fuckin' awesome.

Ceti Alpha · 12/07/2009, 03:57 PM

Quote from: guest on 12/07/2009, 11:58 AMCartridge or card..... who gives a shit? I calls 'em like I sees 'em - fuckin' awesome.

Sweet! I have 61 "fuckin' awesomes" in my PCE collection!

esteban · 12/12/2009, 03:29 PM

Quote from: rag-time4 on 12/07/2009, 12:21 AM
Quote from: guest on 12/06/2009, 02:21 PM
Quote from: rag-time4 on 12/05/2009, 12:41 AM
Quote from: guest on 12/05/2009, 12:10 AMThose are the same people who called HuCards "Turbochips". So which is it, a card or a chip?
You could be opening a major, major can of worms here black tiger...

But in all seriousness, TurboChips^TM is just a trademarked name that has nothing to do with the actual functionality of the game media. Clearly, the games are cards ("game cards"), which is why there is no such thing as a "system cart 3.0" for either turbografx or pcengine...
They also call CDs "ROM ROM's", but they're still the same medium as a CD.
This is a point I'm willing to concede. Even the Japanese Hudson girl you hear when you play a japanese game in a cd player says "CD-Rom disku desu", so "CD ROM-ROM" has about as much technical relevance as "Turbochip". Both are just marketing devices.

Quite creative marketing devices, I might add.

Folks, you are missing the point.

All I have to say can be summed up as follows: CD-ROM²

Respect the power of exponents, especially when it comes to the PCE!

Math is fun, as Takahashi Meijin would always say.