Final fantasy 14 did so bad square enix did this

[geralds]

http://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com/pl/topics/detail?id=c499e4c5df4f3f0fde1fb47a28574cb9c3991c9f

[BlueBMW]

  I guess Im glad I didn't pick that game up.

[SignOfZeta]

Dang. The thing must have really sucked if even a fan of modern day FF games couldn't stomach it.

Its so odd to me that you can replace the creative team of a game months after its release.

[BlueBMW]

Its so odd to me that you can replace the creative team of a game months after its release.

Yeah how does that work

[geralds]

heres ffxiv in a nut shell  5 zones 20 job to lvl basicly it oh wait  thegames verry laggy to the uses so frustaiting itss makes a simple task a chorei wana go buy something but wait no auction how so i have  seach a million  randamn people to find my said item 5 hours later  then 3  minutes after i buy it find it cheaper off someone ells.  I Want to craft ok play this mini game i want to go mining ok play this mini game i want to go logging ok play this mini game i wana go fight something ok press the number 1 on you key board a million times so you can attack. lol i could go on and on the number of numerus problems

[Arkhan Asylum]

heres ffxiv in a nut shell  5 zones 20 job to lvl basicly it oh wait  thegames verry laggy to the uses so frustaiting itss makes a simple task a chorei wana go buy something but wait no auction how so i have  seach a million  randamn people to find my said item 5 hours later  then 3  minutes after i buy it find it cheaper off someone ells.  I Want to craft ok play this mini game i want to go mining ok play this mini game i want to go logging ok play this mini game i wana go fight something ok press the number 1 on you key board a million times so you can attack. lol i could go on and on the number of numerus problems

Funny it doesnt lag for me.  I run it on max settings and pull 60fps.  ;)

Your problems/complaints are kind of silly.  Everyone seems to have the same complaints, and quite honestly, if these are the complaints, go play WoW or one of its clones.  Thats what the complaining seems to gravitate towards... ITS NOT LIKE WOW, SO ITS NOT GOOD.  *yawn*

1) Crafting is interactive.  Would you rather have crafting be "click this button mindlessly 99 times, or wait for a meter to fill up" like it is in WoW?  Now you get to play some little meter games and have to pay attention.  Oh No!
2) Fighting, you know if you use OTHER attacks, you are more effective?  Mindless pugilists barely handle 2-3 enemies where mine sucker punches like 6+ at the same time no problem.
3) Shopping.  UO has the same market system.  Its fine if you arent a sissy.  Even so, craft your own items if its that hard, shout in town, use the online database that logs retainer inventories, or shop around before you complete purchases...that way you know you got the best deal.    They have the market wards organized by stuff, so its kind of easy to locate what you want.   The retainers even WEAR what theyre selling.  If you see one with a bow, odds are its selling a bow.  Etc. etc.

The game plays like a console RPG, and for some reason, all of the PC mmo players are peeing their panties because its not WoW w/ better graphics like they wanted. 

I think the games great myself, and im glad they did this.  All this means is my free trial is even longer! YES!

I explored the entire Uldah area w/ my Pugilist and switched her to archer recently, and have been exploring the Limsa Lominsa area on my Elf.   The games pretty frigging big with plenty to do.  Theres enough areas to run around in, levequests to do, and im not sure if the majority of people realize this, but theres a STORY you do also.  I haven't even messed with the Gridania areas yet.  I might, who knows.

The complaints are all dumb, and whiney.

Eventually Im sure an AH or searching feature is going to show up to make people happy.   The interface re-work wasnt NEEDED, but some of what they did is a nice addition.    They even added new quests to the leve-stuff, so theres more to do.

*shrug*  Time to keep playing. 


EDIT: also, there is an inaccessible town in the game that isn't available yet, and segments of the code have shown other classes are present but not unlocked....

So, my assumption is it will be like FF11, where new advanced jobs show up like Rise of the Zilart brought in FF11.

[geralds]

well aparently  mor epoepel find it a bother then likeing it .  All the complaint are there becosue they wana get things done faster then spend endless hour looking for stuff.  Not eever has the nolage  noes were the dated base are to fidn there stuff.  If the game wa sjust find at release then  there would have been way more people satified with the game.  Some peopel look passed the isues and inconvieniances of the game and liek witch is all realy personal oppinion.

[SignOfZeta]

Not eever has the nolage  noes were the dated base are to fidn there stuff. 

Apparently this game has had a debilitating effect on you.

So does anyone make normal JRPGs anymore? I mean, games were you don't have to farm, or ranch, or mine, or auction, or forge, or synthesize, or any of that horrendously torturous monotonous soul sapping bullshit? Games that aren't padded out to 90 hours when they should be 35, you know. I like games like Lunar or FFIV were you have XP and levels, simple. The weapons all come from chests or stores or key plot points. When the magic chick hits level 37 she gets Fire4, stuff like that. Are these still being made, or do I have to play 8/16-bit RPGs forever?

[TheClash603]

When the magic chick hits level 37 she gets Fire4.

I miss the days of numbered spells.  The fanciest it used to get was Magic Missile.

[geralds]

Well in terms of lack of content tho there was plenty.  I meen sure having 20 jobs to level isnt lack of conect.  When people say lack of content they want to do stuff other then just level a job.  At release you get to max level then what do you do nothing becouse there was realy nothng to do passed getting max level but go level a nothing job.  If you are familiar with ffxi how many people actualy had ever job max level very far and few did and i find this no differnt for ffxiv and for that reason i can see the lack of content complaint.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Not eever has the nolage  noes were the dated base are to fidn there stuff. 

Apparently this game has had a debilitating effect on you.

So does anyone make normal JRPGs anymore? I mean, games were you don't have to farm, or ranch, or mine, or auction, or forge, or synthesize, or any of that horrendously torturous monotonous soul sapping bullshit? Games that aren't padded out to 90 hours when they should be 35, you know. I like games like Lunar or FFIV were you have XP and levels, simple. The weapons all come from chests or stores or key plot points. When the magic chick hits level 37 she gets Fire4, stuff like that. Are these still being made, or do I have to play 8/16-bit RPGs forever?

Well you have to remember FF14 is an MMO, so the economy-simulation and resource gathering has to be there. Its not too soul sapping, and actually happens at a relatively quick pace.

Fishing is literally a game.  You have to pick a depth, wait for a bite, and then time a meter to get the fish!

This is the first MMO to make crafting and resource gathering have some amusement to it.

Theres plenty of content, and people just choose to ignore it because theyre jackasses.    There are quests for EVERY job, be it fishing, cooking, archery.

There are quests for factions within the towns that you can participate in that are pretty neat, quests for various regions outside of town that are somewhat random, and worth doing.

and then theres the story-line questing.... 

on top of having ALL the jobs accessible.
and having quests at your respective jobs guildhouse as well....


Theres plenty of content to keep you busy.  The games been out 2 months.  There will be more content.

If you find that you have already exhausted all of the games content, I have a really great idea:

get off your ass and go do something else.  Clearly you've been planted in front of the game too long.


The NIS rpgs of late seem to be pretty good at delivering classic-like RPG elements as opposed to dicking off playing offline-mmo nonsense like FF12 did.   

Sometimes theres "synthesis" bullshit, but half the time its really simplistic, or can be avoided in its entirety

[geralds]

I agree there will be more but people rather have it now then later thats the hole isue. People you constantly complained that played beta were angry they werent lisened to.  You right theres plenty to do but the point is people want to feel rewarded for doing what they do.  Agan tho not everone wants to level ever single job in the game some like to level a job to max level and do something with it  not oo max level time to level a nothing one.  There is plenty of content agan the isue is what do i get for having my job max level not much of anything but oo i got i max lvl time to level something ells.  Like in final fantasy 11 you got max level you could uses it to do end game  get better gear and forward youself not just oh nothing ells to do  but level a nother job.  There also the people who get board of non stop level grinding and want to do something  that a lower level can do.  Why do said quest what do i get for it is it even worth the reward what alot of people care about the reward sucks people will ignor it unless its required to do a nother quest were the reward is great.  In Final fantasy 11 even after 5  years of playing there not many wo have all jobs leveled becouse alot dont care they level there job to do soemthing with it not just to have it leveled then go level a nothing job.  Some people want a not worthy reson to level multi jobs then just beouse its the only real content avalable for the most part.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I beta'd the game when it was CLOSED beta also.

The people complaining are ignorant, really.

The are all these faction quests that you can do by spending the points you've accumulated from the other levequests.  People are too stupid/lazy/clueless to realize you can do those.

This is what I say to everyone complaining about FF14



I'm willing to bet money half the people or more who are bitching, havent even done any of the storyline stuff past the first tutorial-like quest that gets you into town.

And I'm willing to bet people ignore the Job-Guild quests which have rewards related to new abilities for your character that are unobtainable otherwise.

The games not spoon fed to you. You're expected to walk around and talk to the NPCs and find stuff.    People are so used to WoW that they don't bother.  They stare at the radar like O_O and watch for !'s (new quests!) and ?'s (Turn ins for quests!)


And then they want this:

My catwhore Pugilist/Archer is awesome.   

[geralds]

Basicly that is they want to be told how to play the game  not figure it out themself.  And you right now one does the quest becouse 1 they dont even know if the reward is worth all the trouble.  I know some people who did the main story mission and they still got board becouse they didnt no what to do once they got max level. I told them go level a nother job i got laughed at  and said if i wanted to level that job i would whats the point i got this job i should be able to play so they raged quit.  Iv talked to alot of the people i met in the game they could care less what they add they wont come back so its a pretty sad state for the game.  I remember even telling people do these quest they said there stupid no good reward.  When 1 person quite others followed becose of word of mouth get max level you can do shit lack of content.

Take final fantasy 11 for example there shit tons of content no one ever does.   I bet 60% of the content is never done or used becouse the reward sucks.  70% of the quest no one ever does.  No one ever did wings of the godess expantion mission till recently when they saw omg nice reward.  The second they made a something better boom ever drop that content and never cares no more if your a new player and you never experianced the content you may never get to see it.  You just end up getting trolled and made fun of buy the mass player base.  The few people who want to do it are so few and far there hard to find anyway.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I did the wings of the goddess content the day it was released.  I dont know what you are talking about.


The whiners on FF14 are sissies that dont want to try anything except cookie cutter spoon fed gaming.  They're used to WoW, and are too braindead to deviate from it

[geralds]

what i meen is like the mission and stuff no one hardly ever did it.   I know hows  a 100 people still on like the 3rd mission.  I know tons of people who never done a campagn ops. I asked them why they never did mission basicly reard sucked.  alot of people who didnt play at the start of the game didnt even know what half the nm in the game were.  I  told people about half the quest offered in the game they said sounds like what what the reward then turned around and said it sucked.  Regardless there still a ton of content in ff11 that never got done but most people.  I find it rare to find  anyone with more then 5 to 10 jobs leveled to max level becouse they didnt care.  Sure all the content was done buy someone at some point but the avaerage person probaly hasnt even done halve the content in the game becouse they dont care dont want to try ect...

[Arkhan Asylum]

so I don't understand your point.

You're saying FF11 was good because it had tons of content noone ever touched

and FF14 is bad because it doesnt have as much content that noones going to touch?

[geralds]

No more liek ff14 done have enough stuff that peopel feel rewarding and that just dont wana spam leveljob only.  The point i was trying to make with 11 was how  despite all the conent in there at least half of its never touch becouse it dont give a rewards peopel find worth getting to do said thing.   Like conent do this quest i gives 8k gil and most peopel ar elike na not worth it if it was like a 5 minute quest.  Or how most  people didnt even bother to touch wing of the goddess till recently becosue it realy didnt give any reward people tho would make it worth doing.  Now days in ffxi no one will do most hadly any of the end game becouse people find  all the rewards worthless.  So there just goes more conent that if you are new player you will never experiance more then likely.  The isue with 14 is more then likely they will have basicly all them quest done by the tiem they hit max level then what do they do go levela nothign job just not what some peopel want to do.  If more people didnt have an isue with leveling ever single job i bet we would not realy seen any complants about lack of content.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Theres plenty to do, and the rewards are fine.  I am not seeing the problem.   8k gil for 5 minutes of time is pretty nice, I don't know wtf is the problem with that.

and then theres the faction and story stuff that most people are too stupid to do apparently.


All I am seeing is WoWfags bitching because they cant faceroll and click on widgets and horse shit the whole time theyre playing.

[geralds]

i can see were lac of content comes from regardless when it come to the fact peopel dont want to spam level ever job to max level.  If they cant convince more peopel to play the games just gona get more hurtso there is a good reson  peopel dont want to play that you just dont see or look passed it.  If the game was fine from the start then isue like this wouldnt have happened.  My real only complaint i have is im tried of game game crashing on my server lagging me out ect.. passed that im like you enjoy the game and see nothign rong with it.

[Arkhan Asylum]

You're missing the point.

There is content.  People are just stupid and don't realize it and choose not to participate in it.   They're mostly in WoW-style mode where their goal is to blast to max level before everybody else, wave their dicks around and go IM THE BEST AROUND, NOTHINS EVER GONNA KEEP ME DOWN.     and then they complain cause theres no end-game raids to grind for gear and shit.



Ask all the whiners how much of the story or faction stuff they actually did. 

[geralds]

Your missing the fact peopel dont wanat to spam level multi jobs that the isue were there lack of content.  If ever had 0 problems with level ever single job there would be less complaints about lac of content.  People want to level i job and be able to use it and at launch after you got max level there was nothign ells to do but level a job so peopel said there lack of content becosue no way to truely utalize the job after you hit max level.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Your missing the fact peopel dont wanat to spam level multi jobs that the isue were there lack of content.  If ever had 0 problems with level ever single job there would be less complaints about lac of content.  People want to level i job and be able to use it and at launch after you got max level there was nothign ells to do but level a job so peopel said there lack of content becosue no way to truely utalize the job after you hit max level.

Well heres the thing, they're doing it wrong, again.

The game is DESIGNED to have you be multiple jobs.  If they don't understand that, I suggest they learn how to read.  Thats been apparent since before the game launched.

FF11 had this too.  It was called Subjobs.   You are more effective as a character if you have multiple jobs.

If people blasted to max level and couldn't figure out what to do, they should go back to playing WoW, because its clear thats the only game they comprehend the mechanics to.

If all you want is a monsterslaying level grind to the top, quit now, go play something else. 

[geralds]

Your missing the fact peopel dont wanat to spam level multi jobs that the isue were there lack of content.  If ever had 0 problems with level ever single job there would be less complaints about lac of content.  People want to level i job and be able to use it and at launch after you got max level there was nothign ells to do but level a job so peopel said there lack of content becosue no way to truely utalize the job after you hit max level.

Well heres the thing, they're doing it wrong, again.

The game is DESIGNED to have you be multiple jobs.  If they don't understand that, I suggest they learn how to read.  Thats been apparent since before the game launched.

FF11 had this too.  It was called Subjobs.   You are more effective as a character if you have multiple jobs.

If people blasted to max level and couldn't figure out what to do, they should go back to playing WoW, because its clear thats the only game they comprehend the mechanics to.

If all you want is a monsterslaying level grind to the top, quit now, go play something else. 

Yes but in final fantasy 11 you dont have to fully level the job.  Even if they don't there is still something to do with there character.  They no what to look forward a head of time no liek in 14 were you don't no anything befor hand witch i think is what people want. They dont want to be told we will add it later they want to know right now what they can do.  Seond what is the point of all this content and other stuff if there just not enough people to do anythign ebcosue the game requires muli people.  I think if people don't start playing that will hurt the game more then the game it self sucks.

Like they classic example of at least wing of the goddess in ff11 no one even cared to do most of the mission till they found out the reward for finishing it was. They did not go on the hope oh later it will have an amazing reward they did it to the point they go the rewards they wanted. The average person stoped after unlocking campagn battle.  When they added walk of echos people who cared for it when they new the reward did a tad more wings of the goddes to unlock it.  Despite the fact the mission set is finish most ever one i know is only like on the 3rd or 4th mission out of like 55 becouse there was no reward they found worth it in the beggining.

Wow set the standards for mmo and games like finall fantasy 11 or 14.  Games like final fantasy are just not solo friendl or casualy friendly enough.  I know its a mmo and shouldnt be solo friendly but people like that for some stupid reson.

[Arkhan Asylum]

WoW didn't set the standards for FF11.  FF11 was BEFORE WoW came out.  FF14 is distinctly different from WoW.   That's a good thing.  All of the non-wow MMOs are better.  Anarchy Online is nothing like WoW, and it is going strong after like 10 years.  The same goes for Ultima Online. 

You do realize that FF11 was out for an entire game before the western world got it?  We got the game for the first time at the same time that Japan got Rise of the Zilart.   So we launched with a game+expansion.  You can't expect an MMO to be a flawless, content filled gloryfest 2 months in.  No MMO has EVER been like that.  You just have a skewed perception of FF11's content.  We got it after an expansion added a ton of shit.  Some people (360 users) got it after Zilart and Promathia were out, and just in time for Aht Urghan.  Thats THREE expansions worth of content.   Over the course of 5+ years.  See how this works? Lol.


FF11 had long level grinding requirements to get to max level, so not requiring max level to do shit is sort of a moot point.   Its an accidental side effect of the steep level grind.

I haven't partied once in FF14 and I solo everything just fine.  I just did a faction quest by myself.  No problem. 

FF11 can be soloed if you know what you're doing, but it really wasn't meant to be solo.

and in that regard, WoW isn't solo friendly either so whats your point?   You can't solo ICC to grind out your gear and shit.  Its not possible.  You have to raid in groups.

[geralds]

wow set the starts for mmorpgs so it seemed not ff11.  Its not that just with so many mmos out the the developemnt time they took for ff14 people expect way more then they got.  What the point in all the content if no one comes back to have it utalized?  Even wow it self may not be the most solo friendly game ether is one of the more solo friendly games out so it seem.  If its truely not the content isue then no matter how much they add no ones will play or be satified with the game.

[Arkhan Asylum]

wow set the starts for mmorpgs so it seemed not ff11.  Its not that just with so many mmos out the the developemnt time they took for ff14 people expect way more then they got.  What the point in all the content if no one comes back to have it utalized?  Even wow it self may not be the most solo friendly game ether is one of the more solo friendly games out so it seem.  If its truely not the content isue then no matter how much they add no ones will play or be satified with the game.

No, WoW just took the MMO bar and dragged it down to retard-caliber gaming.

UO, AO, Asherons Call, Everquest, AND FF11 were all pre-WoW, and they're all going strong.   What you get post-wow is a bunch of wow-clones that newsflash: SUCK.

Remember the Vanguard: Saga of Heroes disaster?   A WoW clone that sucked so bad the company literally disappeared.  I beta'd this game.  It was a buggy clusterfuck.

how about Lord of the Rings?  A wow clone with new graphics.  It sucks.  Everyone knows it.

Dungeons and Dragons Online?  It sucked so bad its free to play now!

Tabula Rasa was reworked to jock off of WoW's setup.   That game no longer exists.

and then theres all the free2play games that are WoW-o-licious, like Perfect World, and other boredom filled disasters.

The games that really end up succeeding are the ones that do it different.  FF14's whiney bunch of tools are going to leave, and the games going to explode into amazingness.  I guarantee it.

Its not like the game isnt crowded still anyways.

If you put ! and ?'s on the radar in FF14, and toolbars everywhere, I bet the WoW-tards would drop their pants in excitement.


Now, ill brb, got some story line content to do.

[geralds]

That is true but when you have more well established mmorpgs out there already kinda hard to pull crap like they did in 14.  Sure not  lack of content but not as much content  sence its a new mmo and i think thats were people got 1 thing with 14 rong people expected to be have as much content as an existing mmorpg for one.  If you notice alot of people keep comparing ff14 to exsting mmorpg that been out for years so of course they will have more content.

[Arkhan Asylum]

There was no crap pulled with FF14.

Everyone who logged in on day 1 expecting as much content as an MMORPG w/ 3+ expansions should have been taken out back and shot in the forehead.

They fixed the interface organization some to please the crybabies.

The games legit.  fat kids with dorito stained fingers cant cope.

[geralds]

I still think they could have done way better they spent 8 year making the game i meen i can undstand if the game was not developed as long.  they also beta tested the game and have numious complaints about stuff they didnt care to fix appon release.  I do know one thing that upset beta testers was  they werent lisened to it like wtf did they waist all that time beta testing for they werent lisened too.  From at least open beta to release all the fixed was come mouse lag.  The game can be defened all you like theres no dening this is one of the worst launches of a game period. 

The marketting system i can sea total complaints with too.  Id rather be undercutted for the conviniances of actualy being able to find gear i want.  The retainers reset ever  day or 2 not sure exact so i have to spend more frustraing time trying to sell stuff when  no one can find it to buy it anyway.  When i do find gear its ether to high or to low.  I can shout all i want i find it at a price im not willing to pay or  how do i know if its worth it.  I can check many of the website that make it more conveniant but they could say something is here you go look for to ond out its not there becouse the retainers reset and someone didnt bother to put there retainer back.  I have to check each indivdual person to see what items tthere sellign ti find out they only want reapairs of other crap.  I have even seen some peopel shout to find what they want to come up emty handed 4 hours later ebcouse the peopel selling said item are afk trying to sell there crap.  There nothing bout being lazing in a systesm you try to fidn shit but still cant.  I ill just gear up my job with higher level gear and be al kimp for the frustration it takes to find gear of the proper level to only go out and die faster then shit becouse of my gear then having to get it repared faster then it should be repared.  They need an ah system like ffxi or make the  retainrs at least not reset ever 2 day.  I log in to see if i sold anything to fidn out myretainer was resetto the point no one could see it.

Another things is i see no point in all this extra content if no oen is around to utalize it.  I dont no about the server you are but the server im only dont have enough peopel to do shit there 1 gtruely active ls with enough people to do shit.  EVey other ls keeps trying to get short handed becouse people keep quiting the game.

One complaint i have is  the linkshell system.  TO add someoen you have to be right in front of the person to invite them well o just like ffxi so no complaint there.  ! thing tho why do peopel who arent even logged int he game clutter  up your linkshell they will never log in you coudl just kick them but wait you cant you have to hunt them down and figure out were in the game they are but seence there never logging in becosue they  quite how on earth do you kick them.  Yuo could say make a new but there should be no reson to have to do that.  Then you have times when someones being a jack ass and oh there making more problems then its worth but agan you cant kick them ok find no problem but agan you have hunt them down but wait were in the game are they there current location does not pop up.

Party system i h can see some people who have an isue becouse some peopel do not want to solo in the game.  WIth the party system  you cant do a seach function to see who wants a party you have to be lucky and have a ls who does it reguarly or shout.  To invite them you have to hunt them down agan  and be right next to them to invite them even if youin the same zone  why should you have to be right next to them.  AT lauch while this was  fixed launch anyway did not even dispaly party members on you mobs so  you lose them you have to ask were did you go i lost you.


So how out side of lack of content i sure i dont see how people couldnt get mad at the game.  Yes all the isues can get fixed but agan they betaed the game and had numious complaint they they didnt even bother to fix just launched the game regardless that pretty sad imo.  The one and only thing i noticed ixed from open beta to retail was  some shit mouse lag.  80% of the people were not happy with the game for one reson who aa nother and i can see people who betaed the game being more pissed off then people who didnt becouse the perpose of beta testers is to fix any isues and they realy didnt lisen. i had a freind who played beta and i saw changes ever now and then but no major changes they they should have adressed  for release. 

Sorry for the wall of text but you fail to see how  they treated teh game from beta to retail and why peopel got psised off you seem to look passed it and say it will improve when peopel didnt want to many problems from the start.

[BlueBMW]

Is this in fighting street yet?

[Arkhan Asylum]

I still think they could have done way better they spent 8 year making the game i meen i can undstand if the game was not developed as long.  they also beta tested the game and have numious complaints about stuff they didnt care to fix appon release.  I do know one thing that upset beta testers was  they werent lisened to it like wtf did they waist all that time beta testing for they werent lisened too.  From at least open beta to release all the fixed was come mouse lag.  The game can be defened all you like theres no dening this is one of the worst launches of a game period. 

They have not been developing the game for 8 years.  8 years ago, FF11 was basically brand new.

All that mouse-lag/interface lag horse shit is a moot point.  That's your COMPUTERS problem.  Do you know how many retards got on Ff14 with underpowered machines?  TONS.  That didn't stop them from bitching like little girls. 

They did fix things between beta and launch.  i CLOSE beta tested the game.  and then OPEN beta tested it.  Things were changed up in alot of the classes.  I think Square ignored alot of the complaints because they were pansy little girl complaints like OH THIS MENU HAS A BUTTON I DONT LIKE. MAKE IT EASIER TO SMACK MY FACE ON THE KEYS AND GET WHAT I WANT.

as for worst launches ever, I think you are mistaken, and over exaggerating.

Go look at the history of Vanguard: Saga of Heroes, and DnD Online.     You want a clusterfuck, Vanguard is your game.    post-beta, I was still falling through the environment, and still doing -28839239289823 damage to enemies and healing them in the process.  Among all the other problems leading to that teams demise.

The marketting system i can sea total complaints with too.  Id rather be undercutted for the conviniances of actualy being able to find gear i want.  The retainers reset ever  day or 2 not sure exact so i have to spend more frustraing time trying to sell stuff when  no one can find it to buy it anyway.  When i do find gear its ether to high or to low.  I can shout all i want i find it at a price im not willing to pay or  how do i know if its worth it.  I can check many of the website that make it more conveniant but they could say something is here you go look for to ond out its not there becouse the retainers reset and someone didnt bother to put there retainer back.  I have to check each indivdual person to see what items tthere sellign ti find out they only want reapairs of other crap.  I have even seen some peopel shout to find what they want to come up emty handed 4 hours later ebcouse the peopel selling said item are afk trying to sell there crap.  There nothing bout being lazing in a systesm you try to fidn shit but still cant.  I ill just gear up my job with higher level gear and be al kimp for the frustration it takes to find gear of the proper level to only go out and die faster then shit becouse of my gear then having to get it repared faster then it should be repared.  They need an ah system like ffxi or make the  retainrs at least not reset ever 2 day.  I log in to see if i sold anything to fidn out myretainer was resetto the point no one could see it.

If the retainers didn't reset, all of the whiney fucks that quit the game would have their vendors in limbo, taking up space for nothing.  Be thankful they reset.  Otherwise you'll have nowhere to put your retainers, and then that will be a new complaint for people.

This form of marketplace has been in effect for 12 years on Ultima Online and it works fine. The difference being, the people on UO aren't pussies, and don't mind spending 30 minutes to an hour shopping for their character.  Again, the retainers WEAR THE GOODS THEY SELL.

Try observing the retainer.  If you see bows, THAT ONES PROBABLY SELLING A BOW OR TWO.

etc. etc.

Another things is i see no point in all this extra content if no oen is around to utalize it.  I dont no about the server you are but the server im only dont have enough peopel to do shit there 1 gtruely active ls with enough people to do shit.  EVey other ls keeps trying to get short handed becouse people keep quiting the game.

Corneria is crowded. 

The extra content (that most people are too dumb to find apparently?) should give people MORE reason to play.   On top of having good faith that more stuff will be added.  Welcome to an MMO thats 2 months old.  How many brand new MMOs have you dove into?

One complaint i have is  the linkshell system.  TO add someoen you have to be right in front of the person to invite them well o just like ffxi so no complaint there.  ! thing tho why do peopel who arent even logged int he game clutter  up your linkshell they will never log in you coudl just kick them but wait you cant you have to hunt them down and figure out were in the game they are but seence there never logging in becosue they  quite how on earth do you kick them.  Yuo could say make a new but there should be no reson to have to do that.  Then you have times when someones being a jack ass and oh there making more problems then its worth but agan you cant kick them ok find no problem but agan you have hunt them down but wait were in the game are they there current location does not pop up.

Heres a question, if you dont see the person how do you know they are existent to be added to the linkshell?  Unless you want to just add random people , I don't see the point of complaint.

Party system i h can see some people who have an isue becouse some peopel do not want to solo in the game.  WIth the party system  you cant do a seach function to see who wants a party you have to be lucky and have a ls who does it reguarly or shout.  To invite them you have to hunt them down agan  and be right next to them to invite them even if youin the same zone  why should you have to be right next to them.  AT lauch while this was  fixed launch anyway did not even dispaly party members on you mobs so  you lose them you have to ask were did you go i lost you.

Clearly you have not been on in a while, as I am using the search function for parties right now.

So how out side of lack of content i sure i dont see how people couldnt get mad at the game.  Yes all the isues can get fixed but agan they betaed the game and had numious complaint they they didnt even bother to fix just launched the game regardless that pretty sad imo.  The one and only thing i noticed ixed from open beta to retail was  some shit mouse lag.  80% of the people were not happy with the game for one reson who aa nother and i can see people who betaed the game being more pissed off then people who didnt becouse the perpose of beta testers is to fix any isues and they realy didnt lisen. i had a freind who played beta and i saw changes ever now and then but no major changes they they should have adressed  for release. 

Sorry for the wall of text but you fail to see how  they treated teh game from beta to retail and why peopel got psised off you seem to look passed it and say it will improve when peopel didnt want to many problems from the start.

They fixed more than you think with regards to each Job, and alot of the other petty bitching has been fixed since. 

remember this is the THIRD MONTH of the games existence.  If you are expecting perfection, you must be a newcomer to the "brand new MMO" scene.

This is doing a fuck of a lot better than other MMOs did right at launch.  They're all a clusterfuck at launch.  Deal with it.   Enjoy your extended free trial.  3 free months of gameplay = cost of game basically.

Is this in fighting street yet?

No but I wish it was in grammar street.

[geralds]

lol not rely iv never heard of any game thats realy done this badly at launch.   Free trial does not = cost of the game hwo bad this game more like $50 to piss you off.  You still just avoiding why this game did so bad at launch. Over looking becosue unlike alot of peopel your patiant  and willing to wait for stuff to be improved. The search function wasnt there at launch tho is what im saying.  despite all the improvements they madd this last update  i found it no one realy came back and more peopel quite or at least on my sever thats how it was.  But if they improve the game and no ones around to play it how do they realy no its improved.

[Arkhan Asylum]

lol not rely iv never heard of any game thats realy done this badly at launch.   Free trial does not = cost of the game hwo bad this game more like $50 to piss you off.  You still just avoiding why this game did so bad at launch. Over looking becosue unlike alot of peopel your patiant  and willing to wait for stuff to be improved. The search function wasnt there at launch tho is what im saying.  despite all the improvements they madd this last update  i found it no one realy came back and more peopel quite or at least on my sever thats how it was.  But if they improve the game and no ones around to play it how do they realy no its improved.

Subscription = 12.99+$ depending on your characters.

3 months = 39$ more or less, with what is assumed to be at least another month also.   That's about the cost of the game.  Especially since you can buy the game for 29.99 now.

I'm not avoiding why the game did bad at launch.  I justified it quite well, and I am playing the game right now, wondering what the big deal is.  The "bad at launch" is more like "whitey couldnt fucking cope with something that isnt WoW, and cried about it all over the googlemachines"

The update came out a month into the games official launch, and brought on enough fixes to the whining that I don't see why people are really giving it such a hard time.

You clearly never experienced the launch fiasco that is Vanguard: Saga of Heroes or D&D Online.   Because of this I suggest you stop saying FF14 is the worst launch disaster ever.

At least in FF14 you dont fall through the floor constantly, heal enemies with physical attacks, login to find that your gear/money is missing, or realize all sorts of other disasters leading to the company in question ceasing to exist.

Square has done damn well to address the bitching of the masses, and to fix them in a timely order while trying to keep everyone happy.

Whatd all the other MMOs do?

Lets see:

Vanguard: They shrugged and said we're getting to it
D&D: Its free now, what does that tell you.
Phantasy Star Universe: Has no done shit to fix anything, ever.

then you have other games like Ultima which despite being great, release disaster expansion packs 8+ years into the game, and completely break everything, and drag their feet fixing it.


So, in all honesty, I would say Square is doing a damn fine job with ff14. 

[geralds]

Well when it comes to bad lauch ever i never heard talks of dd onlien being this bad a launch. 
same thign goes for vangrad but this game i here all kinds of shit about.  Iv experianced a few games at luanch and this is the worst of of ever game iv played at luanch.  Most my experiance is from free to play games at launch tho and they still werent this bad.  If they  they can tget peopel to play and enjoy the game the other mmo could over shodow this but even if it becomes popular   i dont see it being any more popular then 500k peopel liek 11 if that even.  All i know is my sver i play on is loosing people ever day its not gaining or gainign any at a fast rate.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Well when it comes to bad lauch ever i never heard talks of dd onlien being this bad a launch. 
same thign goes for vangrad but this game i here all kinds of shit about.  Iv experianced a few games at luanch and this is the worst of of ever game iv played at luanch.  Most my experiance is from free to play games at launch tho and they still werent this bad.  If they  they can tget peopel to play and enjoy the game the other mmo could over shodow this but even if it becomes popular   i dont see it being any more popular then 500k peopel liek 11 if that even.  All i know is my sver i play on is loosing people ever day its not gaining or gainign any at a fast rate.

citation needed.


If you look at the review trends, the ones post-update are pretty positive, and the majority of the complainers are reviewing via typing paragraphs of typo ridden nonsense.

....
.....yeah.

[geralds]

I don't no what game your talking about but no one game ff14 a good review at all.  The game has also already fallen in price.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

Would it have been so fucking hard for Square to keep the series' seperate by calling Final Fantasy XI - Final Fantasy Online, and Final Fantasy XIV - Final Fantasy Online 2? 

This is all way too confusing... which ones should I avoid now if I just want to play an actual Final Fantasy RPG?
Final Fantasy 1 through 10 are just regular old role playing games right?
Then 11 is some play by subscription MMORPG?
then 12 and 13 are back to being Role Playing games again?
Then 14 is another MMORPG.....?

WTF!?!?!

That'd be like if Sega wanted to REALLy fuck with people and called Phantasy Star Online - Phantasy Star V, PSO ep II - Phantasy Star VI, PSO III Card Battle mega wonder- Phantasy Star VII...etc ....etc......

Ugh, I used to really like Square.

[NecroPhile]

citation needed.

Read the link provided in the original post; it's pretty obvious that Square doesn't agree with you that FF14 had a fantastic launch and that most everybody loves the game.

[geralds]

citation needed.

Read the link provided in the original post; it's pretty obvious that Square doesn't agree with you that FF14 had a fantastic launch and that most everybody loves the game.

The reson being is despite the update to fix stuff more people quite and most no one realy came back.  They even discounted the game already by $20 to try and get people to buy the game. I could provide 9 links
to reviews saying the games bad.  Verious ff14 comunity sites for the game were people are verry unhappy as well.

[Arkhan Asylum]

citation needed.

Read the link provided in the original post; it's pretty obvious that Square doesn't agree with you that FF14 had a fantastic launch and that most everybody loves the game.

I didn't say it had a fantastic launch and that everybody loves the game....

I just said it didn't have the disaster of a launch all the WoWfags are whining about, especially when compared to other MMOs that WERE disasters (Nearly every MMO has a rocky as fuck launch.  All of them even.  WoW wasn't a picnic on day 1 either).  Square is handling the complaining bullshit in an amazing manner.  No other company handed out endless free trials until the game makes everyone happy, and the other ones didn't just up and yank pros from other projects to work on the MMO.   They're doing great.

The wowfags are slowly leaving FF14 for Cataclysm, and all will be right once they all vanish.

If you read reviews from launch day, followed by ones post-Update, you'll see the general opinion of the game is slowly shifting back to "oh this is good".  The forums at Eorzeapedia show that trend too, as does the activity going on within Uldah on Corneria.

I haven't found alot of complaints from the Japanese side of things, and I'd imagine the Japanese are all mostly probably laughing at the whiney round eyes right now, because most of the Japanese players, just like in FF11, are kicking ass and taking names.  No problem.

and Geralds, you haven't heard of Vanguard?  That's probably a good thing, because THAT game, was the worst disaster in MMO history.  If you would have been there at that games launch, you'd think this FF14 stuff is nothing.

[geralds]

I read up on it ya they made the same mistake that se did with final fantasy 14.  That game  cant even hold a 100k subcriber base all becouse they had a bad launch.  I read they did the same thing se did and game free trials till it was ready but they lost over half the peopel when they switch to pay to play method.  The game only still going becouse the company giving it a glimmer of hope that most hardly anyone will even bother to play becouse of the horable launch that game had.  They had 2 or 3 server max and they eventual merged them into one becouse of lack of people.  That games proves that yes even a bad launch game makes a game stay alive for to year dont meen people will play the game.  That game was also not as hightly anticipated at ff14 and did not sell much from the beggining anyway.  The company who made it   went defuct after the game becouse of the horable launch a sony online enterntainment took it over.  Square enix is a more well known company with more to loose then a company just starting out and there first game being a rushed mmorpg.  The company who  ran vangard did the same thign square enix did  this to me sounds like a dirrect repeate of the same thing vangard did and thats just sad for square enix having already did 1 mmorpg online. If sony didnt take over vangard the game would be defunct now becouse of its shity launch all the content in the world could no make anyone play all the fixes in the world did no make anyone ells want to play vangard.  It only holds 40k subscribers or less now. 

The main big differnt between vangard  and ff14 tho is  ff14 has a second chance  with the ps3 launch but just showing the hole vangard thing is proof enough thats all that will save the game and make more people play.  The lauch reviews were even better for vangard.  The main reson i will call this ggame to have the worst launch ever then vangard is becouse square enixs a well nown company and already had experiance with a mmorpg.  Single games online didnt even have any other games out that could have been 1 leading factor in the games shity launch then it was rushed.  You are comparing a compnay that had no packing no other games released but a rushed moo to a 20 year old company who even had experiance with running a mmorpg already.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I read up on it ya they made the same mistake that se did with final fantasy 14.  That game  cant even hold a 100k subcriber base all becouse they had a bad launch.  I read they did the same thing se did and game free trials till it was ready but they lost over half the peopel when they switch to pay to play method.  The game only still going becouse the company giving it a glimmer of hope that most hardly anyone will even bother to play becouse of the horable launch that game had.  They had 2 or 3 server max and they eventual merged them into one becouse of lack of people.  That games proves that yes even a bad launch game makes a game stay alive for to year dont meen people will play the game.  That game was also not as hightly anticipated at ff14 and did not sell much from the beggining anyway.  The company who made it   went defuct after the game becouse of the horable launch a sony online enterntainment took it over.  Square enix is a more well known company with more to loose then a company just starting out and there first game being a rushed mmorpg.  The company who  ran vangard did the same thign square enix did  this to me sounds like a dirrect repeate of the same thing vangard did and thats just sad for square enix having already did 1 mmorpg online. If sony didnt take over vangard the game would be defunct now becouse of its shity launch all the content in the world could no make anyone play all the fixes in the world did no make anyone ells want to play vangard.  It only holds 40k subscribers or less now. 

Free trials extensions were not given out.   Rather, they started making it free after people had already paid subscription fees.  The game had such a large cancellation rate that the company went under and Sony had to pick up the pieces. 

They did not make the same mistakes as SE.  Vanguard had legitimate bugs.  Glitches, horrible problems and mechanic-issues.    I had a level 5 bard that ran faster than horses that level 20 people were riding.   One race could fly from one continent to the other if you climbed a high enough building and jumped while running.

You fall through the ground, you heal enemies with melee damage due to math-errors.   The content was bugged, everything was a mess.   It was to be the WoW Killer, but instead, fell flat on its face, horribly.

This is definitely not a direct repeat.  You weren't there for the Vanguard travesty.  It's nothing like it.  The problems in FF14 aren't bugs and a very lax response to them.  Its just people dont like the game and square is trying to make them all happy.  I ran across one bug and it was a server bug not an in game bug.  Fill out a report, get a reply w/i 24 hours, no problem.    Square likes to keep everyone happy.  Its not Squares fault the entire western gaming world is made up mostly of drooling WoW-tards that only understand games that spoon feed you to max level.

The main big differnt between vangard  and ff14 tho is  ff14 has a second chance  with the ps3 launch but just showing the hole vangard thing is proof enough thats all that will save the game and make more people play.  The lauch reviews were even better for vangard.  The main reson i will call this ggame to have the worst launch ever then vangard is becouse square enixs a well nown company and already had experiance with a mmorpg.  Single games online didnt even have any other games out that could have been 1 leading factor in the games shity launch then it was rushed.  You are comparing a compnay that had no packing no other games released but a rushed moo to a 20 year old company who even had experiance with running a mmorpg already.

The actual main difference is, Square is Square.  Sigil was an undercompany to Sony.   Sony didn't like the disaster and fired the idiots.  Square can't fire themselves.  They can bring in people from other projects and improve the PC game just like they are doing.

The PS3 launch has nothing to do with a "second chance"  The games going to get its improvements, and the PC one will be just fine, and the PS3 launch will bring a wave of idjuts to the game, just like when PS2 had its FF11 launch.

Its all going to be a big repeat of 11.   11 wasn't perfect when it launched in Japan.  Since yknow, no MMO is.    The important part is whether or not the company quickly addresses problems and fixes them for the masses. 

They may not be ACTUAL PROBLEMS, and may in fact just be a bunch of whiney cockheads griping because the games not WoW, but either way, they're the paying customers, and Square's job is to keep the majority happy.

[geralds]

I still find it a repeate of the vangard game non the less it wont get cancelled but i just cant see it getting any more popular till ps3 copy comes out and we see more reviews.  I find it pretty sad the already discounted ff14 and that fact when i read up on that becouse stores are trying to clear out what the have and evenat the discounted price the game doesnt real sell.  The only thing that will attrack more people is more media exposure to let people know it was actual fixed. 

I have seen several comments like this one that is stated:

I agree with this completely. In my opinion, this game just isn't fun. ._. I was one of the first people to level my character to the 30+ range and one day I said, "this is such a chore". Playing just for the sake of "getting ahead" is really no fun; there isn't any endgame now anyway and it will be some time before they have it ready. No point.

But hey, to each his own, and FF fanboys and girls will do what they want and keep backing the game. That's fine too, but for the majority that feel this game is not good, we're going to hold back until they release a game worth the time we spend on it.

[nectarsis]

The game being discounting argument you seem to rely upon so much means little.  MANY MMO type games drop in price fairly quickly (look at Star Trek online, etc).

Typos happen, but for the love of god use a spellchecker PLEASE.  My eyes burn trying to decipher these grammar/spelling nightmares.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Geralds, you can't say its a repeat of Vanguard.  You weren't there for Vanguard and didn't experience an ounce of that travesty.    You never knew about the game until a day ago when I made you look it up, lol.

The game being discounting argument you seem to rely upon so much means little.  MANY MMO type games drop in price fairly quickly (look at Star Trek online, etc).

Typos happen, but for the love of god use a spellchecker PLEASE.  My eyes burn trying to decipher these grammar/spelling nightmares.

After the 3rd or 4th post I got used to it, lol.


Anyway, theres a new update coming tomorrow http://www.ffxivcore.com/topic/28543-december-version-updates-12142010/

with another planned at the end of the month.  Thats some speedy addressing and fixing of issues if you ask me.

On top of it being free to play for now.   Yay.


Geralds, when was the last time you actually played the game then?  It doesn't sound like it was lately.   Also, read reviews of the game post Thanksgiving update.   The tune of most has changed significantly.

You say "until we see more reviews", well there they are.  People reviewing post-Update.   Did you even bother to look?

The PS3 isn't going to be the games salvation.  PS2 launch of FF11 didn't do anything except introduce retards to the land of MMOs.   PS3 may do the same.   Console gamers have little concept of how MMOs work, so I can't wait for the hilarity to ensue yet again.


"HOW DO I SAVE" <<< Best PS2 question on FF11, ever.

[geralds]

Oh sorry 14 sucks so badly i forgot how to spell.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Oh sorry 14 sucks so badly i forgot how to spell.

well now you're just being stupid and making your arguments even more invalid.

[geralds]

lol basicly becouse you still basicly defenidn a game from a compnay this shouldnt have happened on regardless becouse unliek sigil with vangard square enix already had a mmorpg they release even if there fixing the luanch problems are still uncalled for.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I'm defending a game that has no problems other than whiney pussies complaining that the game isn't wow.

It's a PEBKAC kind of dilemma, and unfortunately, Square has to deal with it.

You can't spell masses without asses, and thats what most of the MMO world is made up of.

also are you deliberately spelling/typing like a retard, or what.  Sometimes you're fine and other time your posts are like a cross between Corky and Arnie.


All those red underlined words in your posts are ones that spellchecker thinks you screwed up.  Please fix them.  If you can't do that, it's no wonder you don't like FF14