MSR *WILL* be finished, come hell or high water... hell more likely.

TheClash603 · 12/14/2011, 11:47 PM

Horn guy looks bad ass.

ParanoiaDragon · 12/15/2011, 01:19 AM

Oh, & for the record, I can only think of one of our games, that's actually in progress, that could be stalled by translation, & that's Monolith. But, if it does get stalled, you can blame Tat's for that

Jungle Bros. has no dialogue, & very little text(probably just the title screen & end credits), Valkyrie Midnight I don't think will have text, though it'll probably have limited voice acting. I don't foresee that game being multi-lingual. I'm not sure on Dragon Arm, there'll probably be minimal text & dialogue. Another project that BT & I are working on will be english only AFAIK. I think Metro Blaster & Xymati both will have limited text &/or dialogue. So, unless things change, our announced games can't be affected other then Mono I would think.

CrackTiger · 12/15/2011, 12:49 PM

Quote from: esteban on 12/14/2011, 09:36 PMB_T: sorry to bug you. I love the cover you designed. I know you didn't solicit for any comments/suggestions, so forgive me!

IMHO, the only thing I would tweak is the title "Mysterious Song"—it does not clearly stand out from the images. Possible solutions? I think that stroke (outside, black, a few pixels larger than currently shown) might do the trick. It would ruin the nice thin black line outline, though, but the alternatives (like a subtle semi-sharp shadow) may not fit the aesthetic style you were going for.

And/or...shrink the title put it off-center.

I'll stop with the unsolicited comments. I just wanted to give my 2 rubles of advice. Don't hate me! I love all your work ;)

I'll try some more tests, but what I've learned so far is that downsized pics make text and logos much harder to read than the full sized image, which looks fine when printed out by my inkjet printer.

QuoteHorn guy looks bad ass.

I added the helmet to the character design, because I wanted him to have a mysterious and intimidating presence early on like Thulsa Doom and Death Adder. Before his face is revealed, you don't even know if he looks human. It also plays into some specific dialogue in the second cinema.

Arkhan Asylum · 12/15/2011, 02:01 PM

make sure you do the printout in CMYK when you check "is this readable". Your presser is going to use CMYK!

Though, this really only affects on-screen colors. What happens if you make the logo have a yellow border, or if you bevel the text to make it pop out a bit?

I don't know much about this stuff since I blow at art-assembling.

CrackTiger · 12/15/2011, 03:29 PM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 12/15/2011, 02:01 PMmake sure you do the printout in CMYK when you check "is this readable". Your presser is going to use CMYK!

Though, this really only affects on-screen colors. What happens if you make the logo have a yellow border, or if you bevel the text to make it pop out a bit?

I don't know much about this stuff since I blow at art-assembling.

Thanks for the heads up. My printer is cmyk, so it should give me a good idea of what the color balance will look like.

Arkhan Asylum · 12/15/2011, 03:49 PM

Yeah. plus you aren't artarded, so you do good with it anyway. RGB just looks more vibrant usually.

Theres that neat photoshop button: Layers--->Style w/ all the bevel/emboss buttons. www.aetherbyte.com abuses that stuff

MotherGunner · 12/15/2011, 04:07 PM

Quote from: guest on 12/14/2011, 12:35 PMI think the title logo needs to be a bit bigger.

And cover the boobies?? =(

TheClash603 · 12/15/2011, 07:27 PM

Quote from: MotherGunner on 12/15/2011, 04:07 PM
Quote from: guest on 12/14/2011, 12:35 PMI think the title logo needs to be a bit bigger.
And cover the boobies?? =(

I thought a while ago the game was renamed Mysterious Dong, so covering up the boobies would be appropriate.

OldRover · 12/15/2011, 11:25 PM

Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 12/15/2011, 01:19 AMOh, & for the record, I can only think of one of our games, that's actually in progress, that could be stalled by translation, & that's Monolith. But, if it does get stalled, you can blame Tat's for that ... I think Metro Blaster & Xymati both will have limited text &/or dialogue. So, unless things change, our announced games can't be affected other then Mono I would think.

None of these projects are under the Frozen Utopia label; they're under the Eponasoft label, where things work quite a bit differently.

MotherGunner · 12/16/2011, 12:11 AM

Quote from: TheClash603 on 12/14/2011, 11:47 PMHorn guy looks bad ass.

Agreed! Very Skyrim and Bad Ass.

_Paul · 12/16/2011, 12:51 PM

Quote from: MotherGunner on 12/15/2011, 04:07 PM
Quote from: guest on 12/14/2011, 12:35 PMI think the title logo needs to be a bit bigger.
And cover the boobies?? =(

Then make the boobies bigger as well. Simple!

ParanoiaDragon · 12/16/2011, 01:31 PM

Quote from: OldRover on 12/15/2011, 11:25 PM
Quote from: ParanoiaDragon on 12/15/2011, 01:19 AMOh, & for the record, I can only think of one of our games, that's actually in progress, that could be stalled by translation, & that's Monolith. But, if it does get stalled, you can blame Tat's for that ... I think Metro Blaster & Xymati both will have limited text &/or dialogue. So, unless things change, our announced games can't be affected other then Mono I would think.
None of these projects are under the Frozen Utopia label; they're under the Eponasoft label, where things work quite a bit differently.

True dat!

CrackTiger · 12/18/2011, 09:10 PM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 12/15/2011, 03:49 PMYeah. plus you aren't artarded, so you do good with it anyway. RGB just looks more vibrant usually.

Theres that neat photoshop button: Layers--->Style w/ all the bevel/emboss buttons. www.aetherbyte.com abuses that stuff

Yeah, I abuse those effects for the logos and buttons on my site too.

I gave the logos and top character a buffer, based on the templates you pointed me towards. I also increased the outer lining of the logo-

I printed out the cover full sized in both RGB and CYMK and there is very little difference with my printer. I think that the cell-shaded style kept it from having any anomalies. Although I don't think most people would notice the difference, the copy that I converted to CYMK before printing does look slightly more vibrant.

spenoza · 12/19/2011, 10:52 AM

The main character has sensitive puppy dog eyes. He is not a tough dude.

Arkhan Asylum · 12/19/2011, 12:08 PM

The main character is always a kinda sissy, but then he gets it on with the heroine and proves himself while highfiving his sidekick who cries himself to sleep

CrackTiger · 12/19/2011, 01:22 PM

Quote from: guest on 12/19/2011, 10:52 AMThe main character has sensitive puppy dog eyes. He is not a tough dude.

He is harsh emo, just like most JRPG main characters from FFVII onward. He does turn "tough" and loses the "puppy dog" eyes in one particular scene though.

shubibiman · 12/19/2011, 02:04 PM

-MSR is finished !
-Oh yeah? How much is it finished?
-A lot!

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_Paul · 12/20/2011, 12:20 PM

Image fail!

shubibiman · 12/20/2011, 12:40 PM

Image changed!

Senshi · 12/20/2011, 06:03 PM

blueraven · 12/20/2011, 06:09 PM

Quote from: shubibiman on 12/19/2011, 02:04 PM-MSR is finished !
-Oh yeah? How much is it finished?
-A lot!

LOL

OldRover · 12/24/2011, 12:01 PM

Well, no more pre-order periods will ever be done again. Fuck this.

Arkhan Asylum · 12/24/2011, 12:11 PM

My pre-order periods are usually pretty heavy. I have to wear 32 tampons.

shubibiman · 12/24/2011, 04:50 PM

Honestly, who cares about this spanish translation anyway? Has the guy supposed to be doing it given you any news in the last couple of weeks or months? If not, then you can dump this version and send the copies to press.

VestCunt · 12/24/2011, 08:14 PM

I think it's a good idea. Most of us know what's it's like to be on the wrong side of a language barrier and I'm sure plenty of people will appreciate the Spanish text.

BTW, if your translator needs any help, my girlfriend is a fluent medical interpreter in Spanish and I speak some. We'd be happy to help.

Arkhan Asylum · 12/25/2011, 12:12 AM

Quote from: VestCunt on 12/24/2011, 08:14 PMI think it's a good idea. Most of us know what's it's like to be on the wrong side of a language barrier and I'm sure plenty of people will appreciate the Spanish text.

BTW, if your translator needs any help, my girlfriend is a fluent medical interpreter in Spanish and I speak some. We'd be happy to help.

Fuckin google translate that shit and be done with it.

It's not like you've got spanish cutscenes, and it's not like broken translations weren't good enough commercially.

spenoza · 12/25/2011, 04:35 PM

Good translation is as much of an art as good game design. I hope your approach to game design and programming isn't the same as "Google translate is good enough".

Arkhan Asylum · 12/26/2011, 12:28 PM

Quote from: guest on 12/25/2011, 04:35 PMGood translation is as much of an art as good game design. I hope your approach to game design and programming isn't the same as "Google translate is good enough".

its sure isn't.

My point is, MSR has been a WIP for like 349 years, and if all we're waiting on is a spanish translation, there are other ways to do it than waiting for some slowpoke to finally do it.

spenoza · 12/26/2011, 04:16 PM

Thing is, there are darn well near enough native Spanish speakers in and around the US that finding someone to get some remaining bits of text translated should not be a problem. Of all the languages that we should NOT have a problem getting translations for, Spanish should be the key one.

OldRover · 12/26/2011, 04:41 PM

It's all already translated. The translation just needs corrections. It wasn't done completely correctly the first time. And it's not like I can send this off right now anyway, so I'm not even worried about it until January. It can't be sent off till 2012. My wife said that she will do it during her time off if it's not done in the next couple of days.

OldRover · 12/26/2011, 04:42 PM

And once the game is released, I AM GOING TO ERADICATE THE SOURCE. I never want to look at it again.

Arkhan Asylum · 12/27/2011, 01:16 AM

so, the translator fucked up? That sucks. How bad is it compared to Google translate?

English---> spanish translation is a bit more clean cut than going to Japanese at least.

How bad are the errors anyway?

OldRover · 12/27/2011, 01:21 AM

Google translate sucks major balls for Spanish. And the errors are not bad, but that's not the point... an error is an error, and I have extremely high standards for quality. And I don't care if "that's how it was back then"... this isn't back then, I'm not them, and I won't release a shitty translation.

So yeah... heh.

Arkhan Asylum · 12/27/2011, 02:52 AM

Hey man, I dunno about you, but I love when my games say things like "Do not has erase data"

incrediblehark · 12/27/2011, 03:07 AM

ENGRISH FWT!

Arkhan Asylum · 12/27/2011, 03:27 AM

VICTOLY

OldRover · 12/27/2011, 12:34 PM

Badly translated games piss me off. They interrupt the suspension of disbelief and create stupid internet memes.

arromdee · 12/27/2011, 01:23 PM

Quote from: OldRover on 12/26/2011, 04:42 PMAnd once the game is released, I AM GOING TO ERADICATE THE SOURCE. I never want to look at it again.

Have you considered publically releasing it instead, at least after all the copies are sold?

OldRover · 12/27/2011, 01:25 PM

Quote from: arromdee on 12/27/2011, 01:23 PMHave you considered publically releasing it instead, at least after all the copies are sold?

Nope. Won't either. I never want to see it again, and that includes in a publicly-available form.

Arkhan Asylum · 12/27/2011, 01:28 PM

Release an obfuscated version!

itll be an adventure.

OldRover · 12/27/2011, 01:38 PM

The time it would take to make an obfuscated version... would be better spent making new games.

Arkhan Asylum · 12/27/2011, 02:33 PM

Quote from: The Old Rover on 12/27/2011, 01:38 PMThe time it would take to make an obfuscated version... would be better spent making new games.

dude they make auto obfuscators, duhrrr

or just release the machine code. HEXPWN.

OldRover · 12/27/2011, 03:42 PM

Meh. The code's ugly anyway. I'd release the source code of Monorisu before I'd release the source code of MSR.

Arkhan Asylum · 12/27/2011, 03:44 PM

Quote from: The Old Rover on 12/27/2011, 03:42 PMMeh. The code's ugly anyway. I'd release the source code of Monorisu before I'd release the source code of MSR.

YOURE UGLY ANYWAY!1!1!

YEAH.

I dunno, releasing the sauce of MSR would be beneficial, if we could get the 48 people who started RPGs to come back to coding PCE games.

Like DamageX and Undine. srsly.

OldRover · 12/27/2011, 04:38 PM

No way. I'd rather code up something brand new, with new capabilities. MSR's code is a nightmare and became more and more difficult to maintain over time.

Mishran · 12/27/2011, 06:24 PM

You still shouldnt scrap it. Never know when you may need/want to look back at it. Or keep it as a reminder never to do such a complicated game again.

Either way, congrats on the project and thanks again for everything you're doing for the PCE scene, bro!

Arkhan Asylum · 12/27/2011, 09:40 PM

Print all of the source code out, take it to Kinko's and have them bind the bitch up for you.

VestCunt · 12/31/2011, 02:12 PM

Don't throw out the code. Enough pieces of TurboGrafx history have been lost. No one knows what the future holds.

NecroPhile · 01/03/2012, 10:49 AM

Alphabetize the lines of code and send it to RegalSin. He'll figure it out.

Arkhan Asylum · 01/03/2012, 11:27 AM

Quote from: NecroPhile on 01/03/2012, 10:49 AMAlphabetize the lines of code and send it to RegalSin. He'll figure it out.

good idea.

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MSR *WILL* be finished, come hell or high water... hell more likely.

MSR WILL be finished, come hell or high water... hell more likely.