PCE, SNES and Genesis Screen Comparison.

[SuperDeadite]

It's not the slowdown that hurts SGnG, it's the slow pace period.  There were some good ideas, just dragged out way too much.  Like the raft ride was a neat idea, but dragging it out for 3 solid minutes was just not needed.  It's kinda pathetic really that the original 1985 arcade game, and even the 86 glitchy as hell NES port moves at about 2x-3x faster then SGnG.  And there's the awful animation too.  The snow level Ice Demon boss thing has zero animation at all.  The sprite just floats around the screen, again the NES had better animation...

[geise]

Well I don't fell the SNES/SFC Super GnG is a bad game based off of it being slower.  I do like the boss designs better in Ghouls n Ghosts.  Most SNES games were always a bit slower than other systems for some reason.  I understand what you're getting at.  I just don't think that the SNES one is a bad game.  I liked it and I like Ghost n Goblins and Ghouls N Ghosts.  I just think it's a bad comparison since it's 2 different games.  It's been a while since I've been through this thread.  Was there a comparison of the Genesis/MD version of GnG and the SGFX version?  That makes more sense since they are the same game.  Of course the SGFX one would win for me, but I like the x68000 version as my personal home favorite.

[awack]

I dug up a dead horse up and raped it.

The SCIV and Bloodline rips were put together from various other rips on the net.

One thing i noticed after playing Rondo and then going straight to Draxx, is that Dracxx feels likes its in slow motion,especially the boss fights, i mean sloooow.

Ive checked out other snes, gen and pce games of this type incuding Contra, the batman games, Shinobi etc, nothing really compares.




Death Rondo


                 Death SCIV                                                                    Death Bloodlines
                           






Rondo

Dracula xx                                                                                    Bloodlines
       







Rondo

Dracula xx








Rondo

Bloodlines                                                         SCIV
 






Rondo

SCIV







Rondo

SCIV








Rondo

Bloodlines








Rondo

SCIV                                                  Bloodlines
                       







Rondo                                     Dracxx     
   
SCIV                                         Bloodlines
 









Rondo                                      Dracxx, forgot to add the 2 bones.
 
SCIV










Rondo                                                     Dracxx
 









Rondo

Dracxx











Rondo

SCIV




  Rondo                                            dracxx
 

[Ceti Alpha]

Woohoo! I knew something was missing from the forums - an awack update.

Some of those comparisons are beyond pitiful. lol Where to begin?

[Joe Redifer]

Man, that makes me want to throw away PCE Dracula X.  So pitiful!  ;)

[Tatsujin]

Yeah, Drac X uberstinkt. Too much animations, frames, tricks, efforts to no avail.





NOT!






GREAT WORK AWACK

[Ceti Alpha]

Yeah, Drac X uberstinkt.

Trés UBERSTINKT. lol

[awack]

Ha ha, definitely throw it away, you have had it since 93/94, thats long enough.


Macross 2036/sv....some of the best sprite work in any 16bit shooter.



PCE  character ship                                         

SNEScharacter ship


These are not all the enemies, the snes game has a larger variety of enemy sprites.

SNES  enemies                                              PCE enemies




PCE bosses

SNES bosses



Strider, i was going to do a few bosses from this game but saw this witch was the opposite OF what i was expecting.

PCE

GENESIS

[Ceti Alpha]

Strider, i was going to do a few bosses from this game but saw this witch was the opposite OF what i was expecting.

PCE

GENESIS

hehe. Were you expecting more animation from the Genesis?

[awack]

Yep, i wanted to show some Genesis love, the reason i never noticed while playing this game before is because this boss is killed so quickly.

Now we know where all the extra memory of the ACD went

[Joe Redifer]

The Genesis has only 8 MEGA POWER.  The PCE ACD version is, what, around 9 MEGA?  8.5 MEGA?  Yeah it will have a couple more frames and AWESOME color!

[awack]

True, its just that when playing each port, the Genesis game feels more polished, to the point where almost everything seems better, including animation...of course it could just be that my super powers of observation suck.

[Ceti Alpha]

I also would have expected better animations on the Genny Strider, only because of what I hear about the PCE Arcade Card port.

[blueraven]

PCE clearly takes the taco imho.

[Ceti Alpha]

The art in the Macross games is fantastic. Even in the SNES port.

[_Paul]

The art in the Macross games is fantastic. Even in the SNES port.

Yeah, the SNES bosses look amazingly well drawn.

[Tatsujin]

The art in the Macross games is fantastic. Even in the SNES port.

Yeah, the SNES bosses look amazingly well drawn.

As well it is one of the best shooties on the system, audio as visual wise.

[CrackTiger]

The sprites and bosses of the Macross games is one of the reverse instances where the SNES has rich vibrant color and the PC Engine has subdued more realistic tones. It looks like the PCE sprites were made from photos of models, just like Vasteel's appear to be.

[SignOfZeta]

I don't see the point in comparing the two Macross games. They are completely different games by different companies.

Both of these games are really really good. The SFC game is the most beautiful shooter on the system, and one of the nicest looking shooters ever, IMO. It totally kicks the usual trend of most SNES/SC shooters being loaded with slowdown and having few enemies on screen.

As for the the bosses: the PCE actually has real Macross stuff in it, whereas the SFC bosses are all made up just for the game (except for that green ship). The red spinny top thing actually looks a lot like the Rafflesia mobile armor from Gundam F91.

[awack]

The sprites and bosses of the Macross games is one of the reverse instances where the SNES has rich vibrant color and the PC Engine has subdued more realistic tones

Yea, the pce enemy sprites have better gradation, the subtle color shifting from one hue to the next is great, the Backgrounds are the opposite, Macross sv having more subdued, more realistic tones and Macross 2036 using more anime like colors.

As well it is one of the best shooties on the system, audio as visual wise.

Both of these games are really really good. The SFC game is the most beautiful shooter on the system, and one of the nicest looking shooters ever, IMO. It totally kicks the usual trend of most SNES/SC shooters being loaded with slowdown and having few enemies on screen.

I definitely think its the best looking shooter on the snes/sfc, infact i can only think of one shooter on the these three systems that i think looks better and thats WOT, I'm talking about design and variety and not sfx. Both games utilize the strength of each system very well, sv putting rotation, scaling and transparencies to good effect and WOT using the memory of the supercd to its fullest.

Most people think that these are two of the best Macross games, with Macross sv being the the better of the two,i cant disagree but yea, the one weak point in sv is that some of the Bosses are a bit generic.

[Arkhan Asylum]

The Genesis has only 8 MEGA POWER.  The PCE ACD version is, what, around 9 MEGA?  8.5 MEGA?  Yeah it will have a couple more frames and AWESOME color!

the PCE one looks like he fell into a bottle of Insta-Bronze tanning cream lol

[shubibiman]

Wow, I always remember the TG16 Aero Blasters looking a little better than the Genesis, but these screenshots are making me think the opposite.
Tom, those Forgotten World screenshots are very interesting. I think the converted PCE pal screenshot has nicer shading than the arcade!

A while back when Tatsujin started a thread about SFII port resolutions, I made some regular sized Forgotten Worlds screen shots, including the arcade colored with PCE palette colors.

The left image is the regular arcade, the right is the arcade in PCE color-

/fwarc.bmp /fwarcpce.bmp

The PCE pallete sure loves CPS games. Too bad more developers didn't take advantage. I think that most of the sprites in the game were transferred pixel for pixel, making them even bigger on screen than in the arcade. If having CPS arcade sized sprites against backgrounds like these means a little flicker, I'll gladly take it over an average 16-bit console port.

The game still runs at a higher resolution than the regular resolution of every Genesis and SNES game while maintaining a high level of shading and detail. This combo is a real strength that the PCE has over the other consoles and should have happened in more games, especially non-sprite intensive stuff like RPGs. It still wouldn't have taken much to add some layered scrolling in places, but it always seems that every PCE developer only knew how to do some things, but none knew how to do them all. But with sampled sfx and CD music, layered bgs really are the only element missing aesthetically.

Here is the regular arcade and PCE screens lined up-

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I like the changes they made with the coloring, but like the blue highlights on the bg should have been kept.


The Genesis version still has nice graphics and was very impressive and really fun when it came out. It was one of my favorite early Genesis games.

I want those screenshots back! Please ;(

/gng.gif

[NecroPhile]

I want those screenshots back! Please, BT ;(

Sheesh, your quoting is a train wreck. 

And with a wave of my magic wand....

The left image is the regular arcade, the right is the arcade in PCE color-


Here is the regular arcade and PCE screens lined up-

[shubibiman]

Cheers ;)

[saturndual32]

Some suggestions for more pics: Gulliver Boy and Ys IV. I love this tread! Thanks guys!

[NecroPhile]

Another suggestion: Dungeon Master.

[awack]

Some suggestions for more pics: Gulliver Boy and Ys IV

I always wanted to do Ys IV, but don't have the time right now...there really is no comparison though, just youtube boss fights for each and you will see that the 16 Mb snes cartridge, just wasn't enough to keep up with the super CD.

[Mathius]

I have been thoroughly enjoying re-reading this! I thought I would necro-bump this just so others can enjoy this wonderful thread. It's pure internet gold!

[roflmao]

Well now I know what I'll be doing tonight instead of sleeping.  89 pages?!  Yeesh...

[Mathius]

Well now I know what I'll be doing tonight instead of sleeping.  89 pages?!  Yeesh...

It's 89 pages actually worth reading.

[esteban]

I have been thoroughly enjoying re-reading this! I thought I would necro-bump this just so others can enjoy this wonderful thread. It's pure internet gold!

Good idea. A lot of the new folks don't know about this .

[_Paul]

Needs Sticky.

In fact, threads this epic all need their own forum to be stickied on.

[shubibiman]

And all the pictures should be on page 1

[Joe Redifer]

Actually, a website of its own would be good.

[Tatsujin]

How's gonna do it?

[Mathius]

Both Sunteam's and Joe Red's suggestions would make my day. Sticky and some fresh HTML please.

[esteban]

Actually, a website of its own would be good.

You're right. Trying to find stuff in this thread is a challenge.

How's gonna do it?

If folks will start creating a "Table of Contents" (direct links to each game, which should be included in the original post, too, to aid with navigation), I will start creating pages.

--> Consolidated Screenshots (page 73)


UPDATE:

--> Screenshot Comparisons @ tg-16.com
--> Note: the games listed as "Soon" are not available yet. Clicking on "Soon" links you to awack's post in this thread.


--> NEED: I need basic information on the games (title, media, year of release) and a link to awack's first post featuring said game.

--> ALSO: It probably isn't a good idea to stick all 9,000 screenshots on one page... so maybe splitting the games up by genre would be a good idea? We'll keep the alphabetical listing of all games (table of contents), but also allow folks to "browse by genre"...

[SignOfZeta]

Please forgive my ignorance, but what games is this?

[futureman2000]

Please forgive my ignorance, but what games is this?

chiki chiki boys

[Mathius]

Please forgive my ignorance, but what games is this?

chiki chiki boys

It's not a bad little game. You can play the arcade version on Capcom Classics Collection Vol. 2 for the PS2.

[Mathius]

Just read the whole thing. Whatever happened to this "Tom" guy?

[NecroPhile]

Just read the whole thing. Whatever happened to this "Tom" guy?

He goes by Bonknuts nowadays.

[Mathius]

Just read the whole thing. Whatever happened to this "Tom" guy?

He goes by Bonknuts nowadays.

Ah okay.

[Tatsujin]

Sooo great Esty. Now we can proof the trollz'n'boyz with one simple link who's the boss in 16-bit age

[esteban]

Sooo great Esty. Now we can proof the trollz'n'boyz with one simple link who's the boss in 16-bit age

Hell yeah. Although, I did put a disclaimer on the page (Don't judge a game by its screenshot").

Hahjajajjajjajajja. I gotta add that to the page now.

[Mathius]

Sooo great Esty. Now we can proof the trollz'n'boyz with one simple link who's the boss in 16-bit age

Hell yeah. Although, I did put a disclaimer on the page (Don't judge a game by its screenshot").

Hahjajajjajjajajja. I gotta add that to the page now.

That is awesome that you did this, Estaban!

[Mathius]

Estaban, is there a link for this on your main page? I am not seeing one.

[esteban]

Estaban, is there a link for this on your main page? I am not seeing one.

No, I didn't put up a link yet. I suppose I should. I was going to wait until I had a lot more titles available.

Actually, I'm working on adding more games right now...

[Mathius]

Estaban, is there a link for this on your main page? I am not seeing one.

No, I didn't put up a link yet. I suppose I should. I was going to wait until I had a lot more titles available.

Actually, I'm working on adding more games right now...

That's cool. Take your time.

[esteban]

Estaban, is there a link for this on your main page? I am not seeing one.

No, I didn't put up a link yet. I suppose I should. I was going to wait until I had a lot more titles available.

Actually, I'm working on adding more games right now...

That's cool. Take your time.

I want to get this done, because I have all this other wacky stuff I've been working on (but never get to complete... for example, check this out... haahahahhahahaha, nope, I can't share it with you yet! ).