The Wii U

JoshTurboTrollX · 06/10/2011, 03:41 PM

Quote from: guest on 06/09/2011, 09:47 PMConsidering that Sony and Microsoft finally learned that it was worthwhile to neutralize Nintendo by selling a similar gimmick as an add-on, they're probably both already designing superior tablet-pads that could be out by the time the Wii U launches. Imagine how cheap the PS3 and 360 motion bundles will be by then? They could both have tablet-pad bundles on shelves the day the Wii U launches, only at a lower price.

Your on crack if you think this has at all neutralized Nintendo's otherwise cornering of the motion sensored video game market. Does anyone actually own a Sony Move or Microsoft Kinnect? I would guess probably better chances of people owning the kinnect as its outselling the Move thing 5 to 1.

DirkFunk · 06/10/2011, 03:56 PM

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 06/10/2011, 03:41 PMYour on crack if you think this has at all neutralized Nintendo's otherwise cornering of the motion sensored video game market. Does anyone actually own a Sony Move or Microsoft Kinnect? I would guess probably better chances of people owning the kinnect as its outselling the Move thing 5 to 1.

I had the Move. . . until I got Killzone 3, realized it sucked with (and without) Move. Huge mistake buying that thing.

CrackTiger · 06/11/2011, 01:15 AM

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 06/10/2011, 03:41 PM
Quote from: CrackTiger on 06/09/2011, 09:47 PMConsidering that Sony and Microsoft finally learned that it was worthwhile to neutralize Nintendo by selling a similar gimmick as an add-on, they're probably both already designing superior tablet-pads that could be out by the time the Wii U launches. Imagine how cheap the PS3 and 360 motion bundles will be by then? They could both have tablet-pad bundles on shelves the day the Wii U launches, only at a lower price.
Your on crack if you think this has at all neutralized Nintendo's otherwise cornering of the motion sensored video game market. Does anyone actually own a Sony Move or Microsoft Kinnect? I would guess probably better chances of people owning the kinnect as its outselling the Move thing 5 to 1.

I'm not saying that either the Kinect or Move are outselling Wii consoles, but the Wii offers nothing that the other consoles don't do better now and it lacks proper online play, which is critical today. The Wii's sales have been plummeting for a while now, but I think that it likely has more more to do with the novelty of motion controls wearing off than people flocking to the competition's motion control alternatives.

At least when the Wii launched, it had a single unique gimmick to justify it's existence. The Wii U is another last-gen-as-next-gen product, but it's only distinguishing feature is now a clunky stripped down version of what everyone packs around in their pocket. I think that the Wii U would have gone over much better if Nintendo had it's own version of Xbox Live up and running to show off for both the Wii U and 3DS, which appeared to offer even more, only for free.

If Nintendo is going to offer less than the competition when it comes to hardware, then they need to justify their platform with software. They should've waited until they had a PS3/360 quality new Mario game to show off with the new hardware, instead of footage of Wii, PS3 and 360 games.

Keranu · 06/11/2011, 03:13 AM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 06/10/2011, 03:18 PMWhat is NGC? Neo Geo Color? Oooooo you mean Game Cube! Congrats on not saying GCN. I hate GCN! Love the GameCube, though.

You beat me to it! I haaaaaaaate GCN! Not a fan of PSX either.

Quote from: CrackTigerI'm not saying that either the Kinect or Move are outselling Wii consoles, but the Wii offers nothing that the other consoles don't do better now and it lacks proper online play, which is critical today. The Wii's sales have been plummeting for a while now, but I think that it likely has more more to do with the novelty of motion controls wearing off than people flocking to the competition's motion control alternatives.

Those other consoles wouldn't have added motion control in the first place if it wasn't for Nintendo taking the risk of designing a motion controlled console to begin with. Upgraded graphics are to be expected for new generations, I would like to see the other guys (and Nintendo again) at least try to think outside the box; you have to take risks to innovate. Personally, I think the Kinect and Move was Microsoft and Sony's way of testing the waters for motion controls before designing a full-fleged motion control system for the next gen.

CrackTiger · 06/16/2011, 06:55 PM

Quote from: Keranu on 06/11/2011, 03:13 AM
Quote from: Black_TigerI'm not saying that either the Kinect or Move are outselling Wii consoles, but the Wii offers nothing that the other consoles don't do better now and it lacks proper online play, which is critical today. The Wii's sales have been plummeting for a while now, but I think that it likely has more more to do with the novelty of motion controls wearing off than people flocking to the competition's motion control alternatives.
Those other consoles wouldn't have added motion control in the first place if it wasn't for Nintendo taking the risk of designing a motion controlled console to begin with. Upgraded graphics are to be expected for new generations, I would like to see the other guys (and Nintendo again) at least try to think outside the box; you have to take risks to innovate. Personally, I think the Kinect and Move was Microsoft and Sony's way of testing the waters for motion controls before designing a full-fleged motion control system for the next gen.

I agree and the Wii at least offered something original. The Wii U doesn't add much that either appears to be positive for gameplay or that Nintendo knows what to do with. We're still waiting for the revolutionary motion control games. They got away with it for the Wii, because Sony and Microsoft waited so long to get serious about motion controls. It helped that the Wii wasn't revealed before the competition. It sounds like the Vita is already set to offer everything the Wii U has shown to do, when used with a PS3. Only with all the more possible possibilities. It is simple enough for Microsoft to offer a tablet pad for the 360.

Those are examples of how little the Wii U has to differentiate itself from the generation before it. Chances are that the next gen consoles from Sony and Microsoft will offer everything that the current gen and Wii U do out of the box, plus some other unique things.

I'm actually disappointed at how un-innovative the Wii U is. But in the end all that matters is the games. If the Wii U offers the option of real or gimmick controls for every game and it gets killer exclusive software, then it'll be great and do well. I miss the times when Nintendo made good games that were only complimented by hardware gimmicks, instead of based around them. Imagine if most NES games had you waiting for R.O.B. to keep up or required Zapper only control like Gumshoe or every Famicom game was 75% microphone controlled?

Keranu · 06/16/2011, 07:26 PM

Yeah I basically agree with all that you said. Like I mentioned earlier, the Wii U to me feels like everything Nintendo has done for the past six years rolled into one. I was rather surprised (and disappointed) because I was really hoping Nintendo was going to reveal something so insanely unconceivable this year. So I'm just going to have to hope the software really takes off this time around and not turn into Wii 2.0. I think the Wii with Motion + does offer real motion gaming hardware, but developers have rarely taken much advantage with it so far. Gaming desperately needs an era of original titles again.

Joe Redifer · 06/16/2011, 07:33 PM

Quote from: guestIt helped that the Wii wasn't revealed before the competition.

But it was! It was shown before the PS3 was released. People went apeshit and took to the streets screaming at the top of their lungs "OMG I love Nintendo!!! They are geniuses!!! I have always wanted to play games by waving my arms around like a retarded chimpanzee!!! TAKE MY MONEY!!!!" Sony saw this and crammed "sixaxis" into the PS3 controller.

Keranu · 06/17/2011, 12:18 PM

I thought it was pathetic how shamelessly Sony and Microsoft ripped off Wii's promotional marketing for the Move and Kinect, as if they weren't even attempting to not look like knock-offs It was also bad when Microsoft flat out ripped off the Mii's; at least PS3 took a different approach with Home.

NecroPhile · 09/14/2011, 01:47 PM

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Nintendo-Wii-Wii-U-Problems-Delay-Development,news-12486.html

Not exactly good news for the U, though there's lots of time left before they go on sale; I'm sure Nintendo can iron out the kinks before shipping, so hopefully this won't hamper development of third party games too much.

bartre · 09/14/2011, 02:41 PM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 06/09/2011, 11:19 PMlol, the Wii-U inspiration:

a selfmade NGC handheld

actually, that's a 64 handheld.
the joystick is off of one of those hori gamecube style controllers, and i've seen plenty of mods to put a C-stick on the n64

Mishran · 09/15/2011, 06:08 AM

Unimpressive. Nothing can beat the retro classics. When gameplay really mattered! Most of the time. Some of the time? Occasionally?

SMF · 09/23/2011, 06:26 PM

it all come down to this, what are video games gonna be like in 10 years? I mean how much better can a system make a game be real before people get bored and want somthing new. Nintendos been around because they think outside the box, Always have. People say they want badass graphics but look at how well Mega Man 9 sold. The one thing Nintendo has that Sony and Xbox never will are Killer first party games. Yea Halo, Gears, God of war, Resistance. Nintendo have Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Sta Fox Pokemon, Pikman I mean Hell Donkey Kong, Kirby. Its no secret Sony and Xbox want Nintendos 1st party games on there systems. That's why Nintendo will still be hanging around. People will buy the New Nintendo even if they bad mouth it. If only to play Mario, Zelda, Metroid. It all comes down to what games are gonna be at launch when Wii U gets released.

Arkhan Asylum · 09/26/2011, 02:58 PM

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 06/10/2011, 03:41 PMYour on crack if you think this has at all neutralized Nintendo's otherwise cornering of the motion sensored video game market. Does anyone actually own a Sony Move or Microsoft Kinnect? I would guess probably better chances of people owning the kinnect as its outselling the Move thing 5 to 1.

Of course noone owns those things. They're optional. Kind of like how flailing like a tool with the Wii should have been optional.

It only took what 3 years for companies to stop making games that force you to move you arms?

Metroid Prime 3 is the best example of why the Wii mote is stupid.

Wherever your arm aims is where you look. its also where you shoot.

So, Samus has a cannon strapped to her face.

Immersion.

DragonmasterDan · 09/26/2011, 03:18 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/26/2011, 02:58 PM
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 06/10/2011, 03:41 PMYour on crack if you think this has at all neutralized Nintendo's otherwise cornering of the motion sensored video game market. Does anyone actually own a Sony Move or Microsoft Kinnect? I would guess probably better chances of people owning the kinnect as its outselling the Move thing 5 to 1.
Of course noone owns those things. They're optional. Kind of like how flailing like a tool with the Wii should have been optional.

It only took what 3 years for companies to stop making games that force you to move you arms?

Metroid Prime 3 is the best example of why the Wii mote is stupid.

Wherever your arm aims is where you look. its also where you shoot.

So, Samus has a cannon strapped to her face.

Immersion.

I can't be the only one who set that game to play with lock-on like the other Metroid Prime games.

Arkhan Asylum · 09/26/2011, 03:36 PM

Lock on? Thats for sissies. I wanted real immersion!

It also sucks if you don't point your arm straight at the screen you look at the floor/ceiling.
Samus can put her arms down. Why cant I?

DragonmasterDan · 09/26/2011, 03:46 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/26/2011, 03:36 PMLock on? Thats for sissies. I wanted real immersion!

I wanted it to play like the first two

Arkhan Asylum · 09/26/2011, 04:01 PM

Quote from: DragonmasterDan on 09/26/2011, 03:46 PM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 09/26/2011, 03:36 PMLock on? Thats for sissies. I wanted real immersion!
I wanted it to play like the first two

I wanted it to play like Super metroid.

Trevpwnsnoobs · 10/01/2011, 10:47 AM

Im interested in the Wii U, but i cant really state an opinion on it until i actually play it, all i can say is i hope the best for nintendo.

thrush · 10/03/2011, 06:57 PM

Quote from: Trevpwnsnoobs on 10/01/2011, 10:47 AMIm interested in the Wii U, but i cant really state an opinion on it until i actually play it, all i can say is i hope the best for nintendo.

I totally agree. Anything can look good or bad on paper/in the press: it's only once it's out, and out for a while, that we'll really be able to evaluate it.

NecroPhile · 12/06/2011, 07:50 PM

A little more info. on possible specs: link

Not too impressive, as the CPU and memory are only a small step above the 360 (tricore 3.2ghz power pc and 512MB). The GPU is more important anyway, and they're not tipping their hand to its specs yet.

Arkhan Asylum · 12/07/2011, 10:46 AM

All I got out of this article was

"As we Wii U Daily mentions"

Wee weeeeeeeee

geise · 12/08/2011, 09:05 AM

We're on a classic gaming forum and we're worried about system specs for making games fun to play?

Arkhan Asylum · 12/08/2011, 09:15 AM

Quote from: geise on 12/08/2011, 09:05 AMWe're on a classic gaming forum and we're worried about system specs for making games fun to play?

The reason for that is that even pretty crappy pixel art looks ok and don't ruin a game if the gameplay is solid.

Crappy polygons/models/3D environments on the other hand.....

Plus if they don't kick the specs up to something reasonably current, we're going to be paying todays prices for yesterdays specs, augmented by stupid controller gimmicks, as usual.

geise · 12/08/2011, 09:33 AM

Maybe they don't want to go crazy on the specs to keep prices down?

Arkhan Asylum · 12/08/2011, 09:44 AM

then we are basically paying for a gimmick controller, that will probably disappoint for 3 years until someone finally puts a useful game on it.

NecroPhile · 12/08/2011, 12:00 PM

Quote from: geise on 12/08/2011, 09:05 AMWe're on a classic gaming forum and we're worried about system specs for making games fun to play?

Last time I checked better visuals, more accurate physics, and better AI do make games more fun to play. If none of that stuff mattered, then what exactly is the point of the Wii U or Wii for that matter? The only things they add to game play are the controllers, which could've just been added to the GameCube.

Besides, I just said the specs were unimpressive; it'll all come down to the GPU. I haven't seen anything recent on the GPU, but it's been rumored to be based on the Radeon 4000 series cards, which'll be three generations old by then.

Arkhan Asylum · 12/08/2011, 12:32 PM

Quote from: NecroPhile on 12/08/2011, 12:00 PM
Quote from: geise on 12/08/2011, 09:05 AMWe're on a classic gaming forum and we're worried about system specs for making games fun to play?
Last time I checked better visuals, more accurate physics, and better AI do make games more fun to play. If none of that stuff mattered, then what exactly is the point of the Wii U or Wii for that matter? The only things they add to game play are the controllers, which could've just been added to the GameCube.

Besides, I just said the specs were unimpressive; it'll all come down to the GPU. I haven't seen anything recent on the GPU, but it's been rumored to be based on the Radeon 4000 series cards, which'll be three generations old by then.

Nintendo always releases crap thats basically dated.

Somehow, enough tards go googoo gaagaaaaadurhhrrr over it and shell out the cash.

I am one of those people.

Then I play it and go GODDAMNIT and play PCE because it never makes me angry.

nectarsis · 04/05/2012, 11:20 AM

via: http://www.the-magicbox.com/

RUMOR: Nintendo has tentatively set the launch date of Wii U on November 18 in North America and November 25 in Japan, according to a memo from Japanese retailer Media Land.

RUMOR: GamesIndustry reported that a number of anonymous developers said that Wii U does not have the graphical horsepower to compete with current generation console Xbox 360 and PS3, despite being able to output video in HD format. One reason is that Wii U doesn't have as many shaders, it is not as capable, overall it can't quite keep up to the same level as PS3 or 360. Another concern is that only one tablet controller can be active and it must be within certain distance to the console, which means multiple players on the same console must use non-tablet controller and leading to different experience. Another developer suggests that PS3 and PS Vita can do what the Wii U and tablet controller can do already.

Arkhan Asylum · 04/05/2012, 11:24 AM

sick burn.

DragonmasterDan · 04/05/2012, 11:44 AM

Quote from: guest on 12/08/2011, 12:00 PMLast time I checked better visuals, more accurate physics, and better AI do make games more fun to play. If none of that stuff mattered, then what exactly is the point of the Wii U or Wii for that matter? The only things they add to game play are the controllers, which could've just been added to the GameCube.

Better visuals, more accurate physics and better AI give you more options to design better games. But those things don't necessarily make games more fun to play, they simply give you greater opportunities to design better games. Having more colors and a larger canvas gives a painter a greater opportunity to create a better painting, but those things alone don't make the art more beautiful.

In any event, from what I'm reading we don't know if it will be more or less powerful than the Xbox 360 or PS3.
http://kotaku.com/5899125/nobody-knows-how-powerful-the-wii-u-actually-is

Arkhan Asylum · 04/05/2012, 11:51 AM

It's a Kotaku link, therefore its worthless to click on and read!

Power is important for better games. If it weren't we'd all be playing really fucking fun Atari 2600 games w/ really "innovative" controllers.

Controller gimmicks are a poor substitute for next-gen technology.

The things going to be a wimpy console like the Wii. It's behind the curve and riding on its gimmicks and hipster trendiness to get by. The really great games for it won't come out for like, 2-3 years after it launches (like the Wii!)

If this system weren't from Nintendo, and were coming from someone else (Sega?) it would probably get laughed out of town.

It'll do well like everything else from Nintendo, but still be lackluster when stuck next to an Xbox 720, or a PS4.

Nintendo's a bit like the socially retarded kid that starts wearing the latest fashion trend AFTER it's out of style.

It's 2012 and Nintendo just put on a pair of JNCO jeans for the first time. Basically.

What I find funny too is alot of the games on Wii that I really like, could've been released on Playstation 1 almost, or even PS2. They don't visually impress me much. They're fun at least.

Muramasa is pretty. It could've been done on a PS2 though.

guyjin · 04/07/2012, 01:46 PM

Quote from: guest on 04/05/2012, 11:51 AMWhat I find funny too is alot of the games on Wii that I really like, could've been released on Playstation 1 almost, or even PS2. They don't visually impress me much. They're fun at least.

I think you're viewing the PS2's abilities through nostalgia-colored glasses. It probably doesn't help that in some cheap ports, graphics were taken directly from the PS2 version of a game.

it also doesn't help that Wii games tend to use deceptively simple graphics. Consider the Mii heads: simple, right? Not really. Rendering a teardrop shape takes lots and lots of polygons, and putting animated textures on it is even more complicated. and there are multiple such shapes it has to render.

SuperGrafx16 · 04/11/2012, 03:37 AM

QuoteBesides, I just said the specs were unimpressive; it'll all come down to the GPU. I haven't seen anything recent on the GPU, but it's been rumored to be based on the Radeon 4000 series cards, which'll be three generations old by then.

I so very much wish that Wii U's custom GPU was *based* on the RV770 aka Radeon HD 4870/4850. That would provide 1 ~ 1.2 TeraFLops of shader performance which would be 4-5x that of the Xbox 360's Xenos GPU.

Sadly, it seems that Nintendo is going for a much lower-end GPU within the Radeon 4000 family, based on all the recent reports.

Still, the Zelda and Bird demos showed that Wii U can put up decent current-gen (360/PS3) graphics with perhaps better lighting.

In the end, of course, it all comes down to the software/games and services/apps that Nintendo and 3rd parties will provide the Wii U.

I cannot freaking wait until E3 ^__^

SMF · 04/18/2012, 05:37 PM

Hell as far as I'm concerned wii u is a must have just for Pikman 3.

Nando · 04/20/2012, 12:11 AM

I want to see Mario in HD, other than on a Dolphin that is ;)

TR0N · 09/14/2012, 02:13 AM

The wii u has a release date and price to.
http://www.money.cnn.com/2012/09/13/technology/wii-u-price-release-date

Hmmm man i want to pass up on this console up but it's getting monster hunter 3 ultimate,i don't know but i know i won't get it at it's release.

SMF · 09/14/2012, 02:44 AM

I couldnt pass it up, Im pumped got my preorder in at BestBuy and ready to pick it up in store November 18th.

TR0N · 09/14/2012, 02:49 AM

Quote from: SMF on 09/14/2012, 02:44 AMI couldnt pass it up, Im pumped got my preorder in at BestBuy and ready to pick it up in store November 18th.

I heard it's getting bayonetta 2 as well another reason why,i hate to pass up the wii u since it will be exclusive to the console.

Digi.k · 09/14/2012, 04:17 AM

Yup I will most likely jump on.. I am like 5 years late on the wii train but I got one in the end and even with the dated graphics the games still draw me in..

With that Wii U controller I am confused to whether I should buy a 3DS XL or not now as the wii U controller itself looks like a portable gaming device.. and I want a 3DS XL just because I love animal crossing.

it does bring back memories of Sega's dreamcast and the VMU units

Nando · 09/14/2012, 09:20 AM

TIME TO GO BUY A SUPAH INEXPENSIVE WII!!! WOOOHOO!!! Can't wait to try some GC games too ;)

Arkhan Asylum · 09/14/2012, 09:59 AM

Im so preordoerereorerieng one.

jlued686 · 09/14/2012, 10:06 AM

Preordered mine yesterday morning.

I think between WiiU and Steam's Big Picture, my next generation is set.

Arkhan Asylum · 09/14/2012, 10:10 AM

mine too.

I just got some new import Genesis/SFC games in anticipation of the giant letdowns

DejahThoris · 09/14/2012, 10:26 AM

Bayonetta 2's announcement made me pre-order one. I can't imagine it'll be a release title, but after my experience trying to find a 360 right after its launch I've learned to just pre-order if I have any desire to own the console at all.

2 32GB consoles on pre-order, one through Best Buy and one through Gamestop. Had to abandon Toys r Us as my normal go-to as their expected arrival date was "by 12/31/12". One console for myself, and one goes off to eBay to pay for both.

Nando · 09/14/2012, 10:36 AM

Quote from: guest on 09/14/2012, 10:10 AMmine too.

I just got some new import Genesis/SFC games in anticipation of the giant letdowns

LMAO!!! which games? ;)

Arkhan Asylum · 09/14/2012, 10:45 AM

Arrow Flash, Sailor Moon R (lol), SEIKEN DENSETSU 2 FOR 2 DOLLARS, and a few others.

I'm going to get some more PCE games soon too probably.

and I have some Famicom games I am going to grab (Holy Diver, Arabian Dream Shehzrehaehraheraozoozozozoodo)

Nando · 09/14/2012, 11:23 AM

Quote from: guest on 09/14/2012, 10:45 AMArrow Flash, Sailor Moon R (lol), SEIKEN DENSETSU 2 FOR 2 DOLLARS, and a few others.

I'm going to get some more PCE games soon too probably.

and I have some Famicom games I am going to grab (Holy Diver, Arabian Dream Shehzrehaehraheraozoozozozoodo)

Damn, picked them up from someone or what? that's super inexpensive. How's the Sailor Moon brawler?

I remember picking up Arro Flash hoping it was something like Side Arms

oh the young mind

As always the new Mario looks awesome. Can't wait to see their franchises again in HD ;)

Arkhan Asylum · 09/14/2012, 11:43 AM

I found R and SD2 in a local shop, and got Arrow Flash from someone here.

I stopped liking Mario after SM RPG on SNES. Those gamecube ones sucked and mario galaxy as bullshit

munchiaz · 09/14/2012, 12:59 PM

I pre ordered mine yesterday. Im excited. i got the Wii on day one as well, and i love the console. Plus that bayonetta 2. Thanks Nintendo for saving that franchise

SMF · 09/14/2012, 07:51 PM

Yes I agree if Nintendo didn't save it then it would have just died off. I like how fanboys are upset that its a Nintendo exclusive. Besides this forum I have yet to hear somene say THANK YOU NINTENDO FOR SAVING BAYONETTA 2 FROM THE DUMPS.

In this day and age I'm a fan of a lot of game, I only have a PS3 for the God of War games, I deff play my 360 and Wii more.