Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )

[VestCunt]

We blame gougers all day long but people that want to spend rediculous amounts are to blame as well.

I wouldn't mind seeing a separate "collecting much?" thread.

Somebody bump it!:
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=12134.0

[PikachuWarrior]

I wonder how much this will go?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Beyond-Shadowgate-game-case-only-/300792508912?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4608a171f0

I bidded on it, because I do want it. Hopefully not too high of a price.

[tpivette]

For the low low price of only $49.99 BIN, you too can own an AUTHENTIC TG16 power supply! Act now!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TurboGrafx-CD-System-AUTHENTIC-POWER-SUPPLY-Original-NEC-adaptor-turbo-grafx-/221139760814?pt=Video_Games&hash=item337cf4f6ae

Seriously?

[tggodfrey]

doesnt look authentic to me....lol

[turboswimbz]

For the low low price of only $49.99 BIN, you too can own an AUTHENTIC TG16 power supply! Act now!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/TurboGrafx-CD-System-AUTHENTIC-POWER-SUPPLY-Original-NEC-adaptor-turbo-grafx-/221139760814?pt=Video_Games&hash=item337cf4f6ae

Seriously?

ALSO someone should tell the dumb ass that you can ship it for 4.90 with tracking in a SMALL FLAT RATE Priority USPS box. through USPS.com
https://www.usps.com/ship/service-chart.htm

[FiftyQuid]

Guess I should raise the price of the one I have for sale/trade in my Trading Post thread.  I'm only asking for $5.  Unfortunately Canada Post is a bastard and wants $12 to ship it.  Bloody thieves!

[tggodfrey]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/140866196637?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619

PLCards the wonderful reseller claims he has offers at 900.00 and that was refused.  Also claims he is selling for a friend.

[Frank_fjs]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/140866196637?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619

PLCards the wonderful reseller claims he has offers at 900.00 and that was refused.  Also claims he is selling for a friend.

Have no idea who this guy is but how is the auction you link to gouging? It started at .99c and there doesn't appear to be any shilling occurring.

[sirhcman]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/140866196637?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619

PLCards the wonderful reseller claims he has offers at 900.00 and that was refused.  Also claims he is selling for a friend.

Have no idea who this guy is but how is the auction you link to gouging? It started at .99c and there doesn't appear to be any shilling occurring.

There will be, he uses cars856 and tp60000 accounts to jack up his own auctions all the time

[FiftyQuid]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/140866196637?_trksid=p5197.c0.m619

PLCards the wonderful reseller claims he has offers at 900.00 and that was refused.  Also claims he is selling for a friend.

No way that sells for $900.00.  "Rarer than Magical Chase" in the subtitle.  Nice. 

[glazball]

  Dynastic Hero does seem to be rarer than MC (the rarest US Turbo game?), though MC of course sells for more due to the high demand.  It'll be interesting to see what it sells for in a true auction.

[VestCunt]

Dynastic Hero does seem to be rarer than MC

I think so and I've argued the evidence several times around here. That he says "most believe this game is rarer than Magical Chase" makes me think the "most" is us. This guy and the broken Duo seller are both probably members/lurkers.

[NecroPhile]

Ugh.  As much as I want to blame gougers, people are just willing to pay more. 
.....
Thats my point here.  We blame gougers all day long but people that want to spend rediculous amounts are to blame as well.

You'd have a point if price gougers were passively gouging, but they aren't.  Their shill bidding and attempt to limit the market by buying up 'rare' titles every time they sell for honest prices is what leads people to believe that they're just 'paying what it's worth'.

[sirhcman]

Dynastic Hero does seem to be rarer than MC

I think so and I've argued the evidence several times around here. That he says "most believe this game is rarer than Magical Chase" makes me think the "most" is us. This guy and the broken Duo seller are both probably members/lurkers.

Members here have worked on plcards systems before (turbo expresses that needed caps for sure). I can't remember who repaired them but it was mentioned on this forum before so I am sure he is here. It is surprising that members here would work on his stuff just so that he can resell it and gouge others for it

[FiftyQuid]

I think we can all agree on this one.  $30 for a rare copy of Keith Courage from a seller with less than a 95% feedback rating.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Keith-Courage-in-Alpha-Zones-TurboGrafx-16-RARE-CLASSIC-/261114040411?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item3ccb9c105b

[sirhcman]

I think we can all agree on this one.  $30 for a rare copy of Keith Courage from a seller with less than a 95% feedback rating.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Keith-Courage-in-Alpha-Zones-TurboGrafx-16-RARE-CLASSIC-/261114040411?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item3ccb9c105b

Yea but its a RARE CLASSIC! ;)

[tggodfrey]

Anyone claiming KC is rare isnt a gouger......he/she is just a plain idiot and the punchline of a joke.

[FiftyQuid]

I'm sitting on 6 complete copies of KC.  At $30 a pop I almost clear $200!    I'll offer them up to the forum for $150 first. 

[Bernie]

I'm sitting on 6 complete copies of KC.  At $30 a pop I almost clear $200!    I'll offer them up to the forum for $150 first. 

I will trade you Beyond Shadowgate and Might and Magic III for them!!

[sirhcman]

Anyone claiming KC is rare isnt a gouger......he/she is just a plain idiot and the punchline of a joke.

Or they are just trying to get uninformed buyers to think its rare..

[FiftyQuid]

Or they are just trying to get uninformed buyers to think its rare..

If you're uninformed enough to pay $30 for KC, then I think it's safe to say you don't know what NEC is and never heard of a TurboGrafx-16.

[sirhcman]

Or they are just trying to get uninformed buyers to think its rare..

If you're uninformed enough to pay $30 for KC, then I think it's safe to say you don't know what NEC is and never heard of a TurboGrafx-16.

Agreed

[sirhcman]

Shill bidding has begun on the below auction auction. plcards is using his other name (cars856) to jack up price. cars856 is currently the high bidder. I recommend all my compatriots in this thread report the item for shill bidding!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Dynastic-Hero-TurboGrafx-16-Complete-TG-TG16-Turbo-Duo-/140866196637?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item20cc47949d

Report item here: http://ocs.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReportItemMember&items=140866196637&seller=plcards&active=1&state=1

Category: Listing practices
Reason for Report: Fraudulent listing activities
Detailed Reason: Seller is using other accounts to inflate item price

[Bernie]

How do you know that for sure?

[NecroPhile]

Gouge or not? - $800 for Sankokushi Eiketsu Tenka Ni Nozomu in non-minty and incomplete condition (some staining and it's missing the map and binder).

[Keith Courage]

Ebay has policies in place now so you cannot do shill bidding if another account has the same address or if there is even any form of knowing one another. I remember that my sis was selling a phone on there a while back(we live in separate states) and when I tried to bid on it I got a warning message from ebay saying that if I continued I could be penalized so I didn't.

Not saying that it isn't possible. I'm just saying that they watch that very closely.

[FiftyQuid]

Shill bidding has begun on the below auction auction. plcards is using his other name (cars856) to jack up price. cars856 is currently the high bidder. I recommend all my compatriots in this thread report the item for shill bidding!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Dynastic-Hero-TurboGrafx-16-Complete-TG-TG16-Turbo-Duo-/140866196637?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item20cc47949d

Report item here: http://ocs.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReportItemMember&items=140866196637&seller=plcards&active=1&state=1

Category: Listing practices
Reason for Report: Fraudulent listing activities
Detailed Reason: Seller is using other accounts to inflate item price

Where do you see cars856?  I see 5***5 as the highest bidder.  c*****6 is nowhere to be seen.

[BigusSchmuck]

Gouge or not? - $800 for Sankokushi Eiketsu Tenka Ni Nozomu in non-minty and incomplete condition (some staining and it's missing the map and binder).

I say thats a definite gouge as I got that game in a lot with Dracula X. Although it didn't have all the extras with it but still $800 for maybe a $8 game.

[sirhcman]

Shill bidding has begun on the below auction auction. plcards is using his other name (cars856) to jack up price. cars856 is currently the high bidder. I recommend all my compatriots in this thread report the item for shill bidding!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Dynastic-Hero-TurboGrafx-16-Complete-TG-TG16-Turbo-Duo-/140866196637?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item20cc47949d

Report item here: http://ocs.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReportItemMember&items=140866196637&seller=plcards&active=1&state=1

Category: Listing practices
Reason for Report: Fraudulent listing activities
Detailed Reason: Seller is using other accounts to inflate item price

Where do you see cars856?  I see 5***5 as the highest bidder.  c*****6 is nowhere to be seen.

You can't see it but if you look at other auctions cars856 has won off plcards you can conclude it.

c****6 would not be what his hidden name is on there. cars856 name is hidden with 5***5. My name is sirhcman on ebay and when I make a bid mine is hidden with the following: i***a

plcards name is hidden on bids with c***d

If you look at this item (http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p2047675.l2565&rt=nc&item=120995198405) you can see that plcards sold it to 5***5. If you look at plcards feedback (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=plcards&&_trksid=p2047675.l2560&rt=nc&iid=140866196637&sspagename=VIP:feedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller) you can see it matches to the second item which was won by cars856


cars856 has been bidding on rc vehicles, football cards, and turbo games all being sold by plcards. Of cars856 bids over the past 30 days 84% of them have been to plcards account. With these factors, the 5***5 hidden name, the feedback for i****a being the same as cars856 it is stands to reason that it is one in the same.

plcards sold baby formula to cars856 even.. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p2047675.l2565&rt=nc&item=140806008209
August 28th feedback: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=cars856&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers

Lastly cars856 "sold" a fatboy front fender on ebay to plcards. It would be a lot of amazing coincidences if this wasn't shill bidding. Second item on the following link: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=cars856&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller

Be aware that plcards also opened up this account tp60000 and has started buying and selling under that name as well. http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=tp60000&ftab=AllFeedback&rt=nc

At the very least it could be 2 people working together but my suspicion it is one person. You can have two different names/addresses tied to each account and can even proxy or spoof your ip to make sure one isn't the same as the other. Either way it is shill bidding in my opinion and I believe the auction I spoke about prior should be reported.

Hopefully all the gibberish above makes sense. If you guys don't approve that this should be in the ebay gouging thread I will delete, I just feel it my duty to help the thread rid ebay of this shill bidding crap on our beloved turbos.

[tggodfrey]

I am very sure that is whats going on.  Its so easy to create auctions, shill bid and then reverse the sale after its sold to avoid fees.

[Bardoly]

Shill bidding has begun on the below auction auction. plcards is using his other name (cars856) to jack up price. cars856 is currently the high bidder. I recommend all my compatriots in this thread report the item for shill bidding!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Dynastic-Hero-TurboGrafx-16-Complete-TG-TG16-Turbo-Duo-/140866196637?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item20cc47949d

Report item here: http://ocs.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReportItemMember&items=140866196637&seller=plcards&active=1&state=1

Category: Listing practices
Reason for Report: Fraudulent listing activities
Detailed Reason: Seller is using other accounts to inflate item price

Where do you see cars856?  I see 5***5 as the highest bidder.  c*****6 is nowhere to be seen.

You can't see it but if you look at other auctions cars856 has won off plcards you can conclude it.

c****6 would not be what his hidden name is on there. cars856 name is hidden with 5***5. My name is sirhcman on ebay and when I make a bid mine is hidden with the following: i***a

plcards name is hidden on bids with c***d

If you look at this item (http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p2047675.l2565&rt=nc&item=120995198405) you can see that plcards sold it to 5***5. If you look at plcards feedback (http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=plcards&&_trksid=p2047675.l2560&rt=nc&iid=140866196637&sspagename=VIP:feedback&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller) you can see it matches to the second item which was won by cars856


cars856 has been bidding on rc vehicles, football cards, and turbo games all being sold by plcards. Of cars856 bids over the past 30 days 84% of them have been to plcards account. With these factors, the 5***5 hidden name, the feedback for i****a being the same as cars856 it is stands to reason that it is one in the same.

plcards sold baby formula to cars856 even.. http://offer.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&_trksid=p2047675.l2565&rt=nc&item=140806008209
August 28th feedback: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=cars856&ftab=FeedbackLeftForOthers

Lastly cars856 "sold" a fatboy front fender on ebay to plcards. It would be a lot of amazing coincidences if this wasn't shill bidding. Second item on the following link: http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=cars856&ftab=FeedbackAsSeller

Be aware that plcards also opened up this account tp60000 and has started buying and selling under that name as well. http://feedback.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback2&userid=tp60000&ftab=AllFeedback&rt=nc

At the very least it could be 2 people working together but my suspicion it is one person. You can have two different names/addresses tied to each account and can even proxy or spoof your ip to make sure one isn't the same as the other. Either way it is shill bidding in my opinion and I believe the auction I spoke about prior should be reported.

Hopefully all the gibberish above makes sense. If you guys don't approve that this should be in the ebay gouging thread I will delete, I just feel it my duty to help the thread rid ebay of this shill bidding crap on our beloved turbos.

So, can/did you report this detailed information to eBay?

Thank you.

[sirhcman]

So, can/did you report this detailed information to eBay?

Thank you.

Yes I reported it through their form which I mentioned earlier (see below), unfortunately there is no way for me to give them all the above detailed info since you can only select answers from drop down boxes.

Report item here: http://ocs.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ReportItemMember&items=140866196637&seller=plcards&active=1&state=1

Category: Listing practices
Reason for Report: Fraudulent listing activities
Detailed Reason: Seller is using other accounts to inflate item price

[xcrement5x]

Your research seem pretty solid to me, I've reported it as well.

[roflmao]

The the PCE version of Parasol Stars really worth more than the US version?  Usually Hit-Japan has pretty good prices, but I'm not so sure about this one.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/360461275479?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Well, it looks like he sold one, though he does usually take pretty significant price cuts if you bargain with him.

[VestCunt]

The the PCE version of Parasol Stars really worth more than the US version?

Yeah, it is, but I don't know if it's worth that much. We recently had a thread about which PCE games are worth more than their U.S. couterparts, but I can't find it.

[tpivette]

Lots of rare Turbo games popping up recently... heres another gouged "VGA" example

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Legend-of-Hero-Tonma-VGA-Graded-85-NM-TurboGrafx-16-1993-Brand-New-Sealed-/160904412410?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2576a67cfa

[FiftyQuid]

Lots of rare Turbo games popping up recently... heres another gouged "VGA" example

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Legend-of-Hero-Tonma-VGA-Graded-85-NM-TurboGrafx-16-1993-Brand-New-Sealed-/160904412410?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2576a67cfa

Time to get my $2 offer ready. 

[Frank_fjs]

Check out this new Japanese eBay seller, seems he's a bit too optimistic on the value of retro hardware.

E.g. http://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-Engine-Console-System-NEC-White-GAME-JAPAN-/281002919471?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item416d14462f

$185 for a loose PCE? Yeah right!

Check his other items too for more fun, he wants $235 for a loose Mega Drive and don't even look at his Famicom gear.

[PunkCryborg]

Check out this new Japanese eBay seller, seems he's a bit too optimistic on the value of retro hardware.

E.g. http://www.ebay.com/itm/PC-Engine-Console-System-NEC-White-GAME-JAPAN-/281002919471?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item416d14462f

$185 for a loose PCE? Yeah right!

Check his other items too for more fun, he wants $235 for a loose Mega Drive and don't even look at his Famicom gear.

holy shit where does that guy pull his prices from, does he expect to actually sell anything?

[BlackandBlue]

Plcards done lost his mind:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Dynastic-Hero-TurboGrafx-16-Complete-TG-TG16-Turbo-Duo-/140869936215?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item20cc80a457

Don't have to worry about him placing fake bids to inflate his price anymore.... I guess....

[geise]

HAHAHAHAHA!  So he sees he has someone put in a max bid of $2k, pulls the listing, then relists it again at $2,000.  Man is on a mission.

[tggodfrey]

The 3000 was me.  I wanted to see how high he was using his Cars account to hold the reserve at.  I set the 3000 up so that I could easily argue "entered wrong amount" as an excuse.

Considering his Rarer than MC, I am surprised he stopped at 2000.

[bob]

Deek
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=320999959368

[geise]

Deek
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=320999959368

What in the holy fuck....

[MotherGunner]

Deek
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=320999959368

What in the holy fuck....

Man, I gave Bucci that exact same item for free.  This asshole is rediculous...

[RoyVegas]

Lots of rare Turbo games popping up recently... heres another gouged "VGA" example

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Legend-of-Hero-Tonma-VGA-Graded-85-NM-TurboGrafx-16-1993-Brand-New-Sealed-/160904412410?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2576a67cfa

Damn, I missed out on $800...  And mine was in better condition. 

[Bernie]

Lots of rare Turbo games popping up recently... heres another gouged "VGA" example

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Legend-of-Hero-Tonma-VGA-Graded-85-NM-TurboGrafx-16-1993-Brand-New-Sealed-/160904412410?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2576a67cfa

Damn, I missed out on $800...  And mine was in better condition. 

Huh?  Are you saying you would charge 800 for this game? 

[xcrement5x]

Plcards done lost his mind:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Dynastic-Hero-TurboGrafx-16-Complete-TG-TG16-Turbo-Duo-/140869936215?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item20cc80a457

Don't have to worry about him placing fake bids to inflate his price anymore.... I guess....

Lol, looks like he didn't like where it was going with the other 2 auctions competing with his and getting called out on his shill bidding. 

[RoyVegas]

Huh?  Are you saying you would charge 800 for this game? 

Was more poking fun at myself for selling off my stuff in the past for high prices when I needed the money.

[Bernie]

Oh ok.  That sucks man!  Hopefully you will get most of it back!