TurboChip DUDS

Emerald Rocker · 12/22/2006, 04:52 PM

This topic is about your experiences playing TurboChip DUDS. Obviously, Japanese games are excluded, because those are HuCARDs, not TurboChips.

Now, I could easily make a blanket statement like "ALL TURBOCHIPS ARE DUDS". It would be easy to say, because every TurboChip I've ever played has been a dud. However, I will not say that. I will leave open the possibility that there are some good ones out there that I just haven't played. However, this topic is not about the good ones, so please don't defend any TurboChips here.

TURBOCHIP DUDS:

1) Legendary Axe - First off, the music pretty much blows. On top of that, the game lacks action (compare this to any of the NES Ninja Gaiden games), the graphics are tile-based nonsense, and the "secret areas" that the instruction manual touts is really just "that one part in level 3 where you have to find a key". Bad game with cheap bosses (like the Punjabbi)

2) Silent Debuggers - Leon looks pretty cool, but this game is otherwise unremarkable. The music pretty much blows. Some people call this the precursor to survival horror, but that can't be true -- otherwise, the genre would have died at birth.

3) Air Zonk - This is basically like taking the shooter segments of Mega Man 3 and stretching it out into an entire game. A boring, sloppy game with music that pretty much blows.

VestCunt · 12/22/2006, 06:48 PM

Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 12/22/2006, 04:52 PMNow, I could easily make a blanket statement like "ALL TURBOCHIPS ARE DUDS". It would be easy to say, because every TurboChip I've ever played has been a dud.

Ouch! That's a pretty strong statement even if you're a PC Engine purist. Where do you think those 3 games came from before they were released as Turbochips?
Interesting comments though. The general consensus around here already has a rough list of lame turbochips (with their supporters!) and it's nice to see the more popular games catch some crap. I think this thread might be better called "Overrated Turbochips", but whatever.
Biting my tongue on LA and AZ, I'll way in with a few of my own:

Neutopia 2: Not a bad game, but by no means the RPG people make it out to be. This game came out at the beginning of the cutesy, tutorial, hold-your-hand era of RPGs. Didn't Hudson realize that everyone in the world had already played Zelda? "Yes, I already know that I should try pushing rocks. Thank you very much, helpful townsperson". "What's that? Try BOMBING WALLS in the Labyrinths? OH, Great idea!" *Ughh*

Too linear and lighthearted for my taste.

Bonk 3: No concrete improvement over it's predecessors. Could have done more with an 8-meg game.

Shockman: Shooting levels suck. A 2nd player just gets in the way on two-player mode.

Odonadon · 12/22/2006, 09:55 PM

Silent Debuggers and Air Zonk are a couple of my fav games. For "duds", I'd have to say:

Boxyboy
Drop Rock
Gunboat

But that all depends how you define "dud". I guess I could say the "music pretty much blows" for these three

OD

Tatsujin · 12/22/2006, 10:37 PM

pc denjin aka airzonk is just great!! what's wrong with it, man? and the BGM kicks ass. especially stage 2 and in the stadium. something of the best you can find on hucards imo.

legendary axe is also great stuff regarded to its age. and same for here, some great bgms around.

VestCunt · 12/22/2006, 10:44 PM

Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 12/22/2006, 04:52 PMHowever, this topic is not about the good ones, so please don't defend any TurboChips here.

Quote from: Tatsujin on 12/22/2006, 10:37 PMpc denjin aka airzonk is just great!! what's wrong with it, man? and the BGM kicks ass. especially stage 2 and in the stadium. something of the best you can find on hucards imo.
legendary axe is also great stuff regarded to its age. and same for here, some great bgms around.

*sigh*

The FIRST rule of TurboChip DUDS is you don't defend turbochips....

The SECOND rule of Turbochips DUDS is you don't defend Turbochips.

The Third rule is, if it's your first post, you HAVE to bitch about a game.

Tatsujin · 12/22/2006, 10:54 PM

sorry about that, but couldn't handle my young horses anymore, after reading that

CrackTiger · 12/22/2006, 10:55 PM

Do all the Turbografx-16 games after the initial orange cases releases count? They're only labeled "HuCard".

Falcon
Gunboat
Ballistix
Turrican
Talespin
Darkwing Duck

There was a time when I couldn't appreciate Legendary Axe. But now I love the graphics sound and gameplay. The NES Ninja Gaiden games always seemed more like a slow moving video game of "tag" than action to me. At least 'real' tag doesn't have as many cheap hits into instant death pits from rapid spawning offscreen enemies.

I wish that Neutopia II gave more tips and was more linear. I got stuck near the end because I couldn't find one item and was forced to quit the rental.

Bonk 3 isn't as good as Revenge but it's still a good game.

I've never gotten into Shockman, but I am one of the two people in the world who thinks that part 3 isn't so hot.

I guess that Slasher Quan isn't the only one in the world who doesn't appreciate Air Zonk's great music.

Even though there were way too many great PC Engine HuCards that should've been released here in general or in place of many that did make it, I'm still surprised at how nearly all "Turbochips/U.S. HuCards" are good to great.

Emerald Rocker · 12/22/2006, 11:29 PM

Good posts, good posts. I'm not a PC Engine purist... I just wanted to limit the selection of games to what people are most familiar with.

MORE DUDS:

4) Military Madness - The simplicity seems appealing at first, but the gameplay basically boils down to a fancier version of "rock, paper, scissors". The problem is that what was fancy ten years ago isn't very fancy today and, without any depth at all, there's nothing to save this chip from being a DUD. The music pretty much blows.

5) Keith Courage - For years, I listened to my friend Mats talk about this game called "Keith Courage in the Christian Zones", where you played as an old dude with a staff (presumably Jesus) who would summon the holy rainbow and transform into a satan-fighting robot. I was very disappointed when I learned the truth -- that Keith Courage is a dull, repetitive game without an ounce of personality. The music pretty much blows.

Keranu · 12/22/2006, 11:46 PM

Turbo Chips are awesome - recognize.

As far as duds go, CrackTiger did a really good job summing up my choice for duds, though I would exlcude Turricane and Tale Spin from his list because I found those games to be pretty playable and a little enjoyable. A couple more duds I would include are Pipe Dream and Drop Rock.

NecroPhile · 12/23/2006, 12:51 AM

Gonna vote for Davis Cup Tennis. Crappy controls + overly skilled computer opponents = DUD. At least the graphics were decent, but watch the demo mode for a while. I don't think I've ever seen matches last that long in the real world.

GUTS · 12/23/2006, 12:53 AM

Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 12/22/2006, 11:29 PM5) Keith Courage - For years, I listened to my friend Mats talk about this game called "Keith Courage in the Christian Zones", where you played as an old dude with a staff (presumably Jesus) who would summon the holy rainbow and transform into a satan-fighting robot. I was very disappointed when I learned the truth -- that Keith Courage is a dull, repetitive game without an ounce of personality. The music pretty much blows.

God damn that sounds like a sweet game, someone should hack Keith Courage and change it to that.

esteban · 12/23/2006, 01:10 AM

TURBOCHIP DUDS:

1) Ys I & II* - Only Falcom fanboys can stand the stench of this game. The game has a preposterous battle system (indeed, we've heard this complaint ad nauseum since it was released), but the lack of blood during battles is an even greater calamity. Honestly, what was Falcom thinking? Where is the gore? The mighty thrust of the sword? The spewing of blood? Without a visual representation of the carnage Adol is inflicting upon his opponents, playing Ys I & II is an unfulfilling chore devoid of visceral thrill. If a Falcom fanboy claims otherwise, tell him he is full of Chip. Don't even get me started on the music (or, more precisely, "muzak")...

2) Soldier Blade - The bastard child of the Star Soldier series, and Hudson knew it. They were wise enough to disassociate this steaming pile of Chip from the series proper by eschewing "Star" from the title, but even this didn't prevent some folks from buying it. With a generic weapon system that we've seen in every (pea)shooter since Scramble, Soldier Blade's action is as riveting as a shotput competition.

3) Devil's Crush - Take all of the innovative elements of Crüe Ball, strip them away, and you're left with Devil's Crush. What a piece of Chip. Neither pentragrams nor the Green Reptile Devil himself can mask the deficiencies in this game. End of story.

4) Valis III* - Some call this the poor man's Castlevania. They are too kind. Let's be honest... Valis III is to TG-CD as Earnest Evans is to Sega CD: dog crap with a pedigree. Or wolf crap, as it were. Both titles promised to be so much more. Oh well.

*These games were never worthy of the CD-ROM medium and, as such, are the ultimate TurboChip DUDs. Releasing them as TurboChips would have been bad enough; needlessly releasing them as CD-ROMs was a travesty.

nat · 12/23/2006, 01:37 AM

Genius.

Joe Redifer · 12/23/2006, 01:43 AM

Space Harrier - What the hell is up with this piece of crap?! The game never allows you to go into space at any portion of the game nor does it let you fly a harrier jet. The game is for those who enjoy fingering their cat's anus. Horrible and not tolerable!

Bonk's Adventure - What the hell is up with this piece of crap? I play as a freakin' retard and this is supposed to be fun? The gameplay completely sucks and requires me to press a button every time the little retard needs to jump. He just never learns. This game does not use all 512 colors. After I was done playing this game, I took the TuboChip, wiped my hairy ass with it and flushed it down with the other turds I had already deposited in the jam-packed toilet.

Neutopia 1 and 2 - What the hell is up with these pieces of crap? They can't even scroll properly. I have to walk all the way to the edge of the screen before the game decides "Oh! I guess now would be a good time to scroll!" and then it only scrolls a little bit and I have to walk to the edge of that screen to get it to scroll again. Obviously these games were programmed by a person with some kind of developmental disorder. Why they decided to make a part 2 is beyond me, as the first one is about as fun as ripping off your penis and shoving it into your eye socket repeatedly.

Gate of Thunder - What the hell is up with this piece of crap? This game doesn't have blast processing and therefore it is not fun at all. The graphics are good... if you think vomit looks appealing. You fly a spaceship against an incredibly weak alien army. A real alien army wouldn't let one wimpy ass ship with a homosexual pilot defeat them, that's for sure. I think I'll convert one of the rooms in my house so that the floor is a giant cheese grater, and then I'll go roll around naked and rub my body all over it. It'll be more fun than this giant hunk of poo.

Side Arms - What the hell is up with this piece of crap? This was a great HuCard in Japan for the PC Engine, but then it was ported over to the far inferior TurboGrafx-16 system (bleh) as a wimpy TurboChip. Now it's obvious that many sacrifices had to be made during the transition from HuCard to TurboChip, but I didn't know that everything would have to be sacrificed! Yes, this game is about as fun as going to Home Depot, finding their massive sandpaper isle, taking the heaviest grit paper you can find, dropping your pants right there and rubbing it back and forth across your scrotum with all of your strength until the police show up.

guyjin · 12/23/2006, 03:45 AM

you're all going to hell.

TR0N · 12/23/2006, 05:50 AM

DUD
Bravoman: Fugly music wacky controlls not to mention muffle, speach that makes you think your hearing engrish.

Btw i forgot to mention it's ridiculous diffcultly that is has as well.

MrFulci · 12/23/2006, 12:05 PM

Wow, some folks aren't easy to please.

The TG-16 did seem to have a good proportion of "duds" due to the limited amount of total games released in the US.

For me it was:

- Talespin - Been a while, though I recall when I first acquired the game giving it a chance for about 20-30min before turning off the TG-16 and putting the game away for quite a while.

- Darkwing Duck - Pretty much the same deal as above, however I think I only lasted 10-20min.

- Many of the sports games, however, World Court Tennis, Madden Football, Final Lap Twin, Hit the Ice, are all alright by me. For about a month a neighbour and I spent MUCH time with World Court Tennis.

- Camp California - For those who have played it, they pretty much know what makes the game a dud.

- Gunboat - I tried to get into the game, figured it would be similar to Silent Service. It looked similar enough. Sometimes, I couldn't figure out what was going on in this game. A confusing game it was.

There are more than those, however that's all that comes to mind.

Seldane · 12/23/2006, 12:23 PM

Pretty much any hucard.

runinruder · 12/23/2006, 02:12 PM

Chip DUDS...

Andre Panza Kick Boxing
Ballistix
Blodia
Bonk's Revenge
Bravoman
Falcon
JJ & Jeff
Keith Courage
Ordyne
Side Arms
TV Sports Whatever
World Court Tennis

Joe Redifer · 12/23/2006, 02:23 PM

ALL TurboChips are duds. ALL HuCards are winners.

VestCunt · 12/23/2006, 05:23 PM

joe and steve:
Well said! Don't forget to add "and the music pretty much blows" to each one of your entries!

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 12/23/2006, 01:43 AMI think I'll convert one of the rooms in my house so that the floor is a giant cheese grater, and then I'll go roll around naked and rub my body all over it.

I think you just wrote your signature!
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BTW, I do enjoy the games i wrote about. The points I made are pretty much my only gripes about them. I thought I'd chime in after seeing legendary axe and air zonk get F'ed in the A.

VestCunt · 12/23/2006, 05:25 PM

Oh sweet, I just got promoted to Venus Bonktrap.

Keranu · 12/23/2006, 06:26 PM

Quote from: runinruder on 12/23/2006, 02:12 PMChip DUDS...
JJ & Jeff

You know better than that.

CrackTiger · 12/23/2006, 07:02 PM

Quote from: MrFulci on 12/23/2006, 12:05 PMWow, some folks aren't easy to please.

The TG-16 did seem to have a good proportion of "duds" due to the limited amount of total games released in the US.

I think that the TG-16 has actually has fewer proportionate number of real duds than any of the popular mainstream successful consoles. And I think that having a limited number of total games is actually the reason why.

Probably only like 10% of Turbochips are true garbage or kinda to pretty bad, where as the big systems have no less than 25% and some as high as like 40% or more.

Of course, those systems still have tons of great games, but the more popular a system is, the more crap that's piled onto it, even with 'quality ensuring licensing standards' in place.

TR0N · 12/23/2006, 11:32 PM

Quote from: runinruder on 12/23/2006, 02:12 PMSide Arms

Infidel! Sure it wasn't like arcade since it was missing 2p,but still i enjoy it for what it was.

Seldane · 12/24/2006, 06:12 AM

Quote from: guest on 12/23/2006, 07:02 PMProbably only like 10% of Turbochips are true garbage or kinda to pretty bad, where as the big systems have no less than 25% and some as high as like 40% or more.

Give a TG16 to someone who's never even seen one before and he'll disagree.

Funny to read about the Virtual Console on non-PCE forums by the way. People seem to really hate Bonk.

I also agree with the first poster. Legendary Axe in particular is incredibly overrated, and I don't understand why people like it (aside from nostalgic reasons, that is). The Ankoko densetsu (I refuse to call it a series) game is really nice though.

MrFulci · 12/24/2006, 10:56 AM

Seldane, If people hate the game, they don't have to buy it. Pretty simple.

I had an experience with a visitor some years ago who had seen, and only played the TG-16 at in-store demos. When he saw the system over here his exclamation was, "OH SHTI! TURBO GRAFX!".

I guess he hadn't seen too many around during "it's time", and still remembered the system. He went through a decent chunk fo the games. There were many he didn't care for, however there were always Splatterhouse, Ninja Spirit, Devil/Alien Crush, etc.

Then again, with some other folks, we've had some laughs at the limitations of the system, such as showing how having too much going on at once can slow the system to slow motion in certain games (pretty easy to do with Air Zonk).

TG-16 is definately a niche system.

I have a dislike for pretty much any systems after sega/nintendo/tg-16 16-bit period. I don't care much for the games (at least what I've seen) or the controllers. Systems before it, I'm pretty much OK with, though I'm not too fond of the intellivision or Coleco pad/sticks. hahah, so that's where I'm coming from with video games. Not something I do much of anymore, the last system I acquired was the Turbo Duo.

Sure is a lot of hate in this thread for card games.

The other thign is, measuring Turbo Games against current stuff isn't totally "fair". Gotta look aat the time whent he game was released, what else was available. Blades of Steel was more than likely better than TV Sports Hockey, etc.

TurboXray · 12/24/2006, 03:49 PM

Quote from: SeldaneLegendary Axe in particular is incredibly overrated, and I don't understand why people like it (aside from nostalgic reasons, that is). The Ankoko densetsu (I refuse to call it a series) game is really nice though.

I agree. I'm not sure why it got game of the year. I played back when it was fresh and new. I thought it was OK to decent, but nothing special. I didn't bother beating it back then either. The so called sequel is helluva lot better - one of my top ten Turbo Chips.

Funny someone mentioned Bonk's Revenge on there list. I thought it was the best one. Big improvement to the graphics over the first one. The only thing that sucked was the missing smooth spin of the first one. The difficulty was welcomed. Bonk 3 backgrounds overall are a step backwards to Bonk's Revenge.

Keranu · 12/24/2006, 04:04 PM

To appreciate Legendary Axe, you have to put more time into the game. I wasn't much impressed with it when I first played it for the first few times because I would only play until like level two. The real fun comes in later with the great difficult enemy patterns that you have to memorize. It has a really good learning curve.

Quote from: Seldane on 12/24/2006, 06:12 AMFunny to read about the Virtual Console on non-PCE forums by the way. People seem to really hate Bonk.

And this is why Bonk's Adventure is the best selling Virtual Console game so far?

Quote from: tomaitheousFunny someone mentioned Bonk's Revenge on there list. I thought it was the best one. Big improvement to the graphics over the first one. The only thing that sucked was the missing smooth spin of the first one. The difficulty was welcomed. Bonk 3 backgrounds overall are a step backwards to Bonk's Revenge.

Runin is notorious for hating Bonk's Revenge with a passion

. I could understand why from his point of view by Revenge not having the same nostalgic feel for him. I agree with you though, I think it's the best in the series. I suppose the flip might not feel as nice, though I haven't really noticed a difference, but for me the levels were more fun, improved bonus stages, music was even better, and the graphics were a lot more detailed and colorful. I don't consider Revenge to be a huge leap in improvement, but I still enjoyed it a tad more than the first.

Seldane · 12/24/2006, 05:38 PM

I've finished Legendary Axe, and I still don't like it. At all. I don't even know why I actually bothered to play through it.

Emerald Rocker · 12/24/2006, 05:52 PM

QuoteAnd this is why Bonk's Adventure is the best selling Virtual Console game so far?

Yes, you are correct. Bonk is the best-selling VC game because the legions of Sega/Nintendo fans have never played it before, and they're discovering that they hate it. Chalk up another TurboChip DUD!

guyjin · 12/24/2006, 07:51 PM

shut up.

Joe Redifer · 12/24/2006, 08:31 PM

If Bonk was on a HuCard, it would be so much better.

Emerald Rocker · 12/24/2006, 09:08 PM

The average HuCard is pretty lame, too. My point is, on the VC, a lot of people are buying the game they heard about but never played (that game being Bonk). However, it's an old game, and the control is somewhat sloppy. That was a complaint of mine when the game was new, even. So these people who never played a TG-16 are downloading this old game that holds *zero* nostalgic memories for them, and they're discovering: it looks old, it sounds old, and it plays old.

That's why, as Seldane pointed out, people on non-PCE forums are bashing the VC version of Bonk. They heard for years that it was the "Turbo's answer to Mario and Sonic", and they're underwhelmed. It's got nothing to do with TurboChip vs HuCard. It's got more to do with Bonk not having the same timeless appeal as Sonic or Mario. Bonk was a decent (but not great) game that TG-16 fans rallied around because they had nothing better.

The above covers my feelings on Legendary Axe, too. I'd be curious to see what members at non-PCE boards say once that gets released to the VC.

CrackTiger · 12/24/2006, 09:29 PM

Quote from: Seldane on 12/24/2006, 06:12 AM
Quote from: CrackTiger on 12/23/2006, 07:02 PMProbably only like 10% of Turbochips are true garbage or kinda to pretty bad, where as the big systems have no less than 25% and some as high as like 40% or more.
Give a TG16 to someone who's never even seen one before and he'll disagree.

I'm not talking about the tastes of the jeniuses who bought a million copies of 50 Cent: Bullet Proof. The average g@meR would think that all TG-16, Genesis, NES & SNES games are completely worthless.

Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 12/24/2006, 09:08 PMThe average HuCard is pretty lame, too. My point is, on the VC, a lot of people are buying the game they heard about but never played (that game being Bonk). However, it's an old game, and the control is somewhat sloppy. That was a complaint of mine when the game was new, even. So these people who never played a TG-16 are downloading this old game that holds *zero* nostalgic memories for them, and they're discovering: it looks old, it sounds old, and it plays old.

That's why, as Seldane pointed out, people on non-PCE forums are bashing the VC version of Bonk. They heard for years that it was the "Turbo's answer to Mario and Sonic", and they're underwhelmed. It's got nothing to do with TurboChip vs HuCard. It's got more to do with Bonk not having the same timeless appeal as Sonic or Mario. Bonk was a decent (but not great) game that TG-16 fans rallied around because they had nothing better.

I don't think that the Sonic games have much timeless appeal for non-fans either. This last batch of garbage Sonic games should be the final nail in the coffin for the series for a while until it can get rebooted by someone other than Sonic Team who can do it some justice.

And although a modernization of the Mario formula works for the masses(New SMB), I don't think that the modern GaM3rZ could handle Super Mario Bros NES.

I also thought that Bonk's Adventure wasn't too special when I first rented it and after buying it after Revenge, it seemed less refined that the sequal. But after giving it the proper time, like all good to great games, it actually has a lot to offer and there's more gameplay than most people realize. I think most people just run through it with the turbo switches on.

Keranu · 12/25/2006, 12:15 AM

Quote from: SeldaneI've finished Legendary Axe, and I still don't like it. At all. I don't even know why I actually bothered to play through it.

You also have difficult opinions to agree with.

Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 12/24/2006, 09:08 PMThat's why, as Seldane pointed out, people on non-PCE forums are bashing the VC version of Bonk. They heard for years that it was the "Turbo's answer to Mario and Sonic", and they're underwhelmed. It's got nothing to do with TurboChip vs HuCard. It's got more to do with Bonk not having the same timeless appeal as Sonic or Mario. Bonk was a decent (but not great) game that TG-16 fans rallied around because they had nothing better.

Refer to what CrackTiger said:

Quote from: CrackTigerI'm not talking about the tastes of the jeniuses who bought a million copies of 50 Cent: Bullet Proof. The average g@meR would think that all TG-16, Genesis, NES & SNES games are completely worthless.

That is if people are even dissing Bonk to begin with.

Emerald Rocker · 12/25/2006, 01:18 AM

QuoteAnd although a modernization of the Mario formula works for the masses(New SMB), I don't think that the modern GaM3rZ could handle Super Mario Bros NES.

I think they could, for two reasons:

1) Many modern GaM3rZ already played Super Mario Bros in some form and have fond memories of the game.
2) Super Mario Bros was actually a really good game. Since most modern GaM3rZ care more about gameplay than graphics (truth), they'd probably be able to enjoy it. The reason modern GaM3rZ usually prefer stuff like Devil May Cry or Halo over retro action games is because DMC and Halo play better --- not because they look better.

guyjin · 12/25/2006, 01:32 AM

Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 12/24/2006, 09:08 PMThat's why, as Seldane pointed out, people on non-PCE forums are bashing the VC version of Bonk.

Actually, it's because they're closet snerds who don't want to admit they missed out on anything.

QuoteThe reason modern GaM3rZ usually prefer stuff like Devil May Cry or Halo over retro action games is because DMC and Halo play better --- not because they look better.

never played DMC, but as far as halo, you're full of it. playing it literally hurts my hands. few other games do that to me.

runinruder · 12/25/2006, 01:35 AM

Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 12/25/2006, 01:18 AMThe reason modern GaM3rZ usually prefer stuff like Devil May Cry or Halo over retro action games is because DMC and Halo play better --- not because they look better.

Zig has a point here. Chaos Legion annihilates Rondo of Blood.

Joe Redifer · 12/25/2006, 01:44 AM

Devil May Cry does NOT play well, and Halo is pretty bad, too. I do like Super Monkey Ball, however! And Shenmue! And F-Zero GX! And Dead Rising!

Emerald Rocker · 12/25/2006, 01:48 AM

Shenmue plays like a joke. Ryo is inept in his normal environment, and the fight scenes are a mockery of Virtua Fighter. If Shenmue were a TurboChip, it would be a DUD.

TurboXray · 12/25/2006, 02:37 AM

Quote from: Emerald Rocker on 12/25/2006, 01:18 AM
QuoteAnd although a modernization of the Mario formula works for the masses(New SMB), I don't think that the modern GaM3rZ could handle Super Mario Bros NES.
I think they could, for two reasons:

1) Many modern GaM3rZ already played Super Mario Bros in some form and have fond memories of the game.
2) Super Mario Bros was actually a really good game. Since most modern GaM3rZ care more about gameplay than graphics (truth), they'd probably be able to enjoy it. The reason modern GaM3rZ usually prefer stuff like Devil May Cry or Halo over retro action games is because DMC and Halo play better --- not because they look better.

I don't think that quite true( some truth yeah, but not the whole truth). Most modern games do have different game play in comparison to the 16bit era, But I think graphics do matter to the kids now-a-days that didn't grow up with these oldies back in the day. Their experience with 2D is on current systems/consoles (including GBA) and not like the early 16bit era. The popularity in snes emulation of its latter games with a generation that didn't really(or entirely) grow up with it, is evadent of this.

Halo is a seriously overated game.

QuoteZig has a point here. Chaos Legion annihilates Rondo of Blood.

I hope you were being sarcastic because Chaos Legion is a crap ass game.

Keranu · 12/25/2006, 02:38 AM

I wouldn't say a game like Halo plays better than a game like Super Mario Bros. mainly for the fact that Super Mario Bros is a lot easier to play without much learning and only having to use two buttons. This is exactly why I avoid most modern games; too much time wasted blabbling how to play a game instead of just getting to the point and letting me figure out how to play it. Not saying that any game that does this is just a flat out bad game because sometimes they can be very good, but I'm after simplicity myself.

Joe Redifer · 12/25/2006, 06:39 AM

I agree. Nowadays games have forced (and unskippable) tutorials that take forever to get through before you can actually start the real game. Okami comes to mind. Lots of people get huge erections and squirt gallons of cum all over themselves when Okami is mentioned. I am not one of them.

Seldane · 12/25/2006, 07:51 AM

Halo rules. It is the best fps I have ever played. It is so mind blowingly entertaining to play. Simple game, yes, but fun. TONS of fun. Play it before you say it is overrated. Play it for real.

Play it on pc though, you can't play an fps with an Xbox controller.

MrFulci · 12/25/2006, 11:04 AM

hahah, this is such as silly thread, arguing over video games and what's better, etc.

You are all comparing apples and oranges, or maybe something a bit less similar, like.... apples and spinach...

Comparing Super Mario Bros. to Halo.... hahahhaha

I wore out Super Mario Bros years ago, I probably have the first 3 levels memorized though I haven't played the game in years. Add something to that list like Combat. I think most days I'd rather play Combat over Super Mario Bros.

For me, I would prefer many 16-bit and prior games to new stuff. That's just me, As there are some who wouldn't want to touch "old" games.

I had one visitor refer to the systems I own, and their games, as something along the lines of "Cheesy-ass". hahahah, he preferred his X-box and reccomended I get one.

It's all preference.

I saw when the Playstation launched, I didn't care for the look of the system, games, gameplay, etc. The most recent systems I paid much attention to were the Saturn and, to an extent, the wii. Never owned either of those 2, however.

Older games work for me, as they are easier for me to pick up and play, and if I only have 20 min or so to fool around with a game, I can load up something like splatterhouse and play through a certain level, etc. Plus, I prefer to spread my time out with other things now, and that's also why I'd rather stick with what I have. If I were to ever get another system, it would be a Supergun.

It's a matter of preference.

Seldane · 12/25/2006, 11:14 AM

Remember that the SMB (1-3, World and YI) games on GBA are the best-selling games on the system. Kids play those games and love them. Today.

Emerald Rocker · 12/25/2006, 01:41 PM

QuoteI wouldn't say a game like Halo plays better than a game like Super Mario Bros. mainly for the fact that Super Mario Bros is a lot easier to play

I didn't say that either. I was citing Super Mario Bros as an exception -- it's one of the few NES games that is actually really good (see Seldane's above post for evidence of its timeless appeal). On the other hand, Halo definitely plays much better than something like Bonk.

To that other guy: Chaos Legion is a fantastic game that truly shows off how far action titles have come (in terms of music/graphics/control) in the past 10 years. And it doesn't have a forced tutorial! If Chaos Legion were on TurboChip, then this topic would not exist, because it would single-handedly redeem the entire format.

CrackTiger · 12/25/2006, 03:00 PM

The GBA SMB's have the 'SMB' brand name, which still means something and most of the major GBA SMB's are decent games with graphics that were still current for GBA when they were released.

It's the same way licensed games sell truck loads. All it takes is the name. I don't think that anyone bought any of the Pokemon Coloseum games or Pokemon TV (or 50 Cent) because of the deep gameplay, because there isn't any.

The GBA SMB1 one sold well(if it really did) because of the SMB name and older players who played it before on NES. A large number of parents would've bought it just because it said 'SMB', especially becase of the slightly lower price. And for any parents looking to buy GBA gifts who didn't get that far on their own, all it would take is one of those sleazy game store employees telling them that "it's the latest SMB release for GBA!" to sell a few more hundred thousand copies.

Just as so many kids can handle SNES SMB's, I think that they could handle the Bonk games if there was enough motivation for them to give them a serious play.

If there are some snerds online trashing VC Bonk, thats only the minority net nerds that don't represent the general public. Otherwise Psychonauts would already have 3 sequals out.

Emerald Rocker · 12/25/2006, 03:32 PM

QuoteJust as so many kids can handle SNES SMB's, I think that they could handle the Bonk games if there was enough motivation for them to give them a serious play.

That's one of the problems with the Virtual Console: there isn't enough motivation for people to give these games a serious play.

They need Achievements. Then people would be plenty motivated to play the games seriously.