A new ruleset should be implemented for new members joining just to sell crap.

[PCEngineHell]

As stated, shits getting old. A new policy needs to be put into place. Too many people joining up just to use the forum for their dumping ground when their get get rich schemes involving turbo goods falls though on ebay. What should we do? Should we implement our own rule set and enforce it religiously, or get a moderator to do so to kick out people coming here just to dump stuff?

[DildoKKKobold]

Loaded questions make for great legitimate surveys.

[SignOfZeta]

I have thoughts on this but the option I'm looking for doesn't seem to be there.

[PCEngineHell]

Honestly there should be some requirements here before being allowed to sell. There should be a post count/forum activity requirement. Also, references should be mandatory, along with posting clean/clear pics of the items for sale when you are new. Too many new sellers joining just to sell, and they don't post pics and have no real references. There could even be a transaction limit in place to have them prove they can successfully complete a few before posting some massive list and trying to fill 20 different peoples orders. Many forums usually have some requirements in place. Surprisingly this one has never implemented any really.

[esteban]

I would love for NO BUY and NO SELL be in place for anyone below 1,150 posts.

[psychobear]

Being a new member on here I try to my best not to clash or step on any veteran members, in my for sale threat I always post pictures to everything, never gauge no one, and even did a raffle for a spare I had laying around.

I wouldn't want to be rosted by any one on here!

[MotherGunner]

Honestly there should be some requirements here before being allowed to sell. There should be a post count/forum activity requirement.

This, Mike.  Other forums I am a member of even has a seller rep (feedback rep) and rules are heavily enforced on buying and selling via time and post count.

[VestCunt]

Sale forums shouldn't even be visible to members with less than 100 posts and two months activity.

[VestCunt]

Noob's second post:

Stop bitching... Jesus if you want the fucking lot, then pay up.

[thesteve]

let anyone sell
have some feedback system
limit buying by noobs (non contributing members)

[SignOfZeta]

I kind of like the system we have because I have no problem with noobs dumping shit. They %99 of the time want way too much friggn money for the stuff, but the flame patrol will take care of that. Honestly, roasting is clearly the number one most popular thing on this forum anyway. The place would be a fucking ghost town without the dumpers. WE FEED UPON THEM.

[esteban]

I kind of like the system we have because I have no problem with noobs dumping shit. They %99 of the time want way too much friggn money for the stuff, but the flame patrol will take care of that. Honestly, roasting is clearly the number one most popular thing on this forum anyway. The place would be a fucking ghost town without the dumpers. WE FEED UPON THEM.

As always, Zeta's stance is more fun and more realistically achievable (its already in place) than my own dream (requiring 1,150 post count before BUY/SELL is accessible). I realize now that noobs will artificially inflate their post account with GARBAGGIO, which will actually degrade the overall experience for EVERYONE.

I suppose we should still have a handful of  "best-practice principals" posted somewhere, REGARDLESS, to serve as a reference for everyone. We will refer noobs there as soon as they rear their misshapen little craniums.

NOTE: I actually am very welcoming of noobs...I don't want to lose someone who might actually contribute to the community simply because they step on a few toes with their initial FOR SALE post. On the flip side, we quickly discover what a person is like via the FOR SALE threads...so maybe it's a good thing that folks reveal their true colors, so quickly, since $$$$$ is involved.

Gentlemen, let the noobie sellers run the gauntlet, should they choose to be so bold.

[CGQuarterly]

We want more mods, we want more rules, etc. but we are hanging out on a forum that basically has no administrator.  At the end of the day, if we want more control over the forums, we're going to have to move.  Like over to the forums that sunteampaul set up when PCEFX went down.

I'm not encouraging anyone to ditch this place.  I'm just saying that it's pretty obvious that PCEFX is a take-it-or-leave-it situation at this point.

I will also say that the Prof's idea of us self-policing will not work.  These people show up to dump stuff and we all rail on them, but behind the scenes guys like retrohungry and segasaturn 51195 are selling stuff.  So what reason do they have to listen to anything that we say?  They have no intention of sticking around, so they might as well flame us right back.  We're all paper tigers anyway, since we have no way to boot/ban them.  The best way to handle the situation would be to treat them with respect and point out that their prices are too high and that this isn't eBay (but do it politely).  If they act like assholes and/or don't lower their prices then of course none of us "regulars" will buy from them (and in fact we should completely ignore them instead of keeping their thread at the top of the page with constant bumps), but just as there are people who sign up here just to sell shit, there are also people here who sign up just to buy shit, and we can't control what they do. 

The best thing we can do is only sell our stuff to forum regulars and only buy stuff from forum regulars or noobs who have reasonable prices.  We really can't control the actions of noob gougers and buyers who only have a membership here to fill holes in their collection at any cost.  If you really can't stand those people, the best thing to do is to completely shun them.

Chris

[PunkCryborg]

I don't have aproblem with noobs selling, I've bought from people in the past with low counts and had no problem. if someone has some interesting stuff to sell from their childhood that they haven't touched in years then why should they be forced to make posts just to offer something. you get noobs posting a bunch of junk posts to get their count up.
you really can't get too upset when people come in here and last stuff at ebay prices because often times thats what they payed for it. if you don't like their price make an offer. if they are still to high then their stuffs just won't sell.
I would rather see a feedback system in place so we know who the good sellers are. if a no feedback person is selling everyone knows they are taking more of a risk.

[esteban]

It's settled then: we will publicly shun offensive sellers, but unleash a veritable hellstorm of harassment via PM, email, social media (whatever! You know what I mean).

Seller's thread isn't bumped. Seller's private communications filled with sea of noise.

Finally, I get on my soapbox to explain why BLODIA is an unfairly maligned game.

[Firebomber7]

So, what about noobs with like 2 posts that just say "PMed" on these sorts of gouging sales threads? Flood their inbox with hell also?

[psychobear]

What about posting in introductions first? I think that's a must.

[VestCunt]

It's settled then: we will publicly shun offensive sellers, but unleash a veritable hellstorm of harassment via PM, email, social media (whatever! You know what I mean).

Seller's thread isn't bumped. Seller's private communications filled with sea of noise.

This is a good idea. But rather than harassment, how about false interest in their sales? A la: "how much is shipping to *insert random country*?" or "I'll take DEII for $300! Can you hold it? I'll send paypal on Friday!" Of course, one of us will have to eventually buy something cheap so we can get their return address and sign them up for lewd snail mail.

[esteban]

It's settled then: we will publicly shun offensive sellers, but unleash a veritable hellstorm of harassment via PM, email, social media (whatever! You know what I mean).

Seller's thread isn't bumped. Seller's private communications filled with sea of noise.

This is a good idea. But rather than harassment, how about false interest in their sales? A la: "how much is shipping to *insert random country*?" or "I'll take DEII for $300! Can you hold it? I'll send paypal on Friday!" Of course, one of us will have to eventually buy something cheap so we can get their return address and sign them up for lewd snail mail.

THIS IS THE OFFICIAL PLAN.

Damn, we should feel good. The Professor will be pleased (ha!)

[turboswimbz]

It's settled then: we will publicly shun offensive sellers, but unleash a veritable hellstorm of harassment via PM, email, social media (whatever! You know what I mean).

Seller's thread isn't bumped. Seller's private communications filled with sea of noise.

This is a good idea. But rather than harassment, how about false interest in their sales? A la: "how much is shipping to *insert random country*?" or "I'll take DEII for $300! Can you hold it? I'll send paypal on Friday!" Of course, one of us will have to eventually buy something cheap so we can get their return address and sign them up for lewd snail mail.

THIS IS THE OFFICIAL PLAN.

Damn, we should feel good. The Professor will be pleased (ha!)

I'm fairly certain this is already happening . . . 

[FiftyQuid]

I went with option one in the poll.  Selling only permitted with 150 posts.  Buying shouldn't be allowed until a higher post count is obtained.  Maybe 250 or 350 posts.

[jperryss]

I went with option one in the poll.  Selling only permitted with 150 posts.  Buying shouldn't be allowed until a higher post count is obtained.  Maybe 250 or 350 posts.

I'm not getting the logic behind that. Not only are you limiting the market for existing sellers, but it's much easier to screw someone as a seller than a buyer.

If anything, shouldn't the required post count be lower for buying?

[Keith Courage]

Why not just let the newbies list what they have for sale right away if they want to. Then individuals here can decide whether they want to buy something from them or not. No need to trash their prices or get up in their business about how reliable or trustworthy they are. People here would obviously take that in to account before buying anything. Sounds like the easiest plan to me.

     Meaning if you think the prices are too high or that you cannot trust the person for being new then don't buy anything.

[PCEngineHell]

Why not just let the newbies list what they have for sale right away if they want to. Then individuals here can decide whether they want to buy something from them or not. No need to trash their prices or get up in their business about how reliable or trustworthy they are. People here would obviously take that in to account before buying anything. Sounds like the easiest plan to me.

Because this is the kind of approach that has seemed to create the image of this forum as being a dumping ground with a fat wallet for gougers and resellers. This approach no longer seems to work for the majority of us as it clearly sends the wrong message. Now after peoples ebay fail, the first place they hit is here.

[DildoKKKobold]

None of this post deals with moderator enforced limits!

I'm starting to dig this idea of a community-enforced ban on new sellers. Not because it will work, or is even remotely a good idea.

I like the idea because it is an online-version of the Prisoner's Dilemma. For the community-ban to work, everyone must agree to not buy from sellers. However, that means that the best situation is that the entire community practices it, but you. You get the ability to buy from a seller, and get all of their cheapest items, while the rest of the community stays banded together in not buying from them.

This is why it is extremely difficult to combat carbon emissions on a global level. Reducing carbon emissions cost money, so it is best for every other country to reduce their carbon footprint, while your country doesn't. This is why no country has greatly focused on it.

http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2007/04/case-for-small-carbon-tax.html

Now, this idea can't work, beyond just the failings due to the prisoner's dilemma. First off, new sellers have absolutely no reason to listen to old-timers. Likewise, new buyers also have no reason to listen. The best old-timers can do is flood a sale posting with negativity and flames.... which already happens!

Yet, this has not prevented 100% of sales for either RetroHungry or SegaSaturn. (To what influence the flame war has had on sales is questionable). So, in short, this won't work. Appeal to the mods if you want real change.

[Opethian]

anyone with a default avatar irrelevant
also anyone who believes ebay is a price guide
gtfo k thx bai

[turboswimbz]

True perhaps to eveything said here, I think the thread here is more of a vent (for most anyway).   I mean being debbie down here ON EITHER SIDE is only going to upset people.  and turn this into another stupid long drawn out fight.   The best thing to do is just ignore everything on both sides from my point of view. 

The only real way to stop this would have been if you couldn't see the sales threads until you reached a post level or activity level and for it to be enforced.  But since the mods don't enforce anyway, and won't change the rules - this would be all for naught.   

So just ignore it. Buy from who you want when the price is good and they seem descent, and sell to people you think are decent at a fair price.  - the golden rule re-imagined for selling/buying.  your turbo karma will grow.

But don't shit on others because they want to see change or not, I mean so what if it doesn't happen. just let the rant take it's course,  better than stirring shit in these threads and having everyone going at each other. because when this happens you let the new comings who dump stuff here and don't care ruin the experience for everyone.

just my 2 cents. I know it doesn't mean much, but do we really need to have arguments start over some sellers with poor attitudes or high prices? 

[thesteve]

i have a default avitar

[Bernie]

I would say have it set so that you could not access certain parts of the forum, until a post count has been reached.  I would think 50-100 would be enough to know if they are someone worth dealing with.  I've been a mod on private forums before, that utilized a system like that, and it works well.  Doubtful it will ever happen here though.

[turboswimbz]

i have a default avitar

No your's is just invisible, It's a big bowl of Esteban's flan.

[VestCunt]

This is why it is extremely difficult to combat carbon emissions on a global level. Reducing carbon emissions cost money, so it is best for every other country to reduce their carbon footprint, while your country doesn't. This is why no country has greatly focused on it.

No, mitigating asthma, heart attacks, endangered species impacts, acidic oceans, and dead coral reefs costs money. Endlessly refuting junk science costs money. Forcing businessmen to stop externalizing their costs is comparatively cheap. The difficultly lies in convincing free-market idiots like you.

[Sadler]

I like the idea because it is an online-version of the Prisoner's Dilemma.

...

Now, this idea can't work, beyond just the failings due to the prisoner's dilemma.

...

So, in short, this won't work.

You like the idea because it doesn't work?

Appeal to the mods if you want real change.

That's not how it works around here, and it's not the mods fault. They simply don't have the power to instate anything like suggested in this thread.

EDIT: Actually I suppose they do. If someone violates the policy they could ban them, but that's a tough sell. It's not against any explicit site policy and short of bragging about your child porn chances are you won't get banned.

EDIT 2: Would you apply this to all sections or just the US side? There doesn't seem to be a lot of trouble on the PCE side. Honestly, I don't care if someone has no posts and no rep and lists something for sale. I can just ignore it and not buy what they've got if I don't think it's worth it.

[VestCunt]

You like the idea because it doesn't work?

You have to remember that this is the guy who believes common loosies are worth $25+. He likes the impossible boycott idea because he thinks these noob ebay rejects have decent prices:

the best situation is that the entire community practices [the boycott], but you. You get the ability to buy from a seller, and get all of their cheapest items, while the rest of the community stays banded together in not buying from them.

You know, because all of us old-timers are so mean to the sellers with reasonable prices... and because we're frantically, desperately, competing with DK to complete our U.S. sets. A boycott will give him the edge!

[DildoKKKobold]

I like the idea because it is an online-version of the Prisoner's Dilemma.

...

Now, this idea can't work, beyond just the failings due to the prisoner's dilemma.

...

So, in short, this won't work.

You like the idea because it doesn't work?

Yeah, because I find it an interesting thought experiment. I find the prisoner's dilemma applied to real life fascinating.

[esteban]

i have a default avitar

No your's is just invisible, It's a big bowl of Esteban's flan.

hahahahahahhahahhahahaahahhahahaa.

[esteban]

BOTTOM LINE - Good, it's settled then: with our very heels, we will crush the skull of anyone who attempts to buy/sell products at the forums here.

PROTIP - I wear slippers.

_{► /Monster_Maker/Track_10.mp3}

[turboswimbz]

BOTTOM LINE - Good, it's settled then: with our very heels, we will crush the skull of anyone who attempts to buy/sell products at the forums here.

PROTIP - I wear slippers.

Hahahahahaha

[420GOAT]

i was new and wanted to buy, im glad you decided to sell.

[thesteve]

just because its for sale doesnt mean we must buy.
just because your selling doesnt mean you have to sell to anyone.
leave it to the judgement of those involved, and lets ridicule those sale threads that go overboard.

[Gogan]

Until Aaron and/or the mods take this site seriously and implement changes, nothing will stop all the fuckery. It's just that simple. A member-run authority on buy/sell criteria will not work. It needs to be created at mod/owner level.

[Frank_fjs]

leave it to the judgement of those involved

My sentiments entirely.

[NecroPhile]

I'm for imposing a limit on sellers to weed out the guys looking to use us as a dumping ground to save eBay fees; and it should be a real rule subject to enforcement by mods, else we'll end up with the same weekly flamefests we have now.

[PCEngineHell]

I'm for imposing a limit on sellers to weed out the guys looking to use us as a dumping ground to save eBay fees; and it should be a real rule subject to enforcement by mods, else we'll end up with the same weekly flamefests we have now.

Exactly. Craps getting old, and its getting to the point where people are posting less about playing games and more in the shity witch hunt sales threads the noobs keep starting.

[PunkCryborg]

why are people posting in sales threads anyways this is the only forum I go to where it's common practice to turn every sales thread into a 10 page discussion. I go to a lot of forums with even worse gouging issues and when someone posts overpriced stuff they don't get any attention and the stuff doesn't sell. smart sellers then drop their prices until they make a deal or leave.
last couple of witch hunt threads the sellers prices weren't even that bad and they were willing to negotiate. it embarrassed me the behavior of a lot of people on this site and I feel most the instigators aren't even interested in buying anything in the first place.

[Gogan]

why are people posting in sales threads anyways this is the only forum I go to where it's common practice to turn every sales thread into a 10 page discussion. I go to a lot of forums with even worse gouging issues and when someone posts overpriced stuff they don't get any attention and the stuff doesn't sell. smart sellers then drop their prices until they make a deal or leave.
last couple of witch hunt threads the sellers prices weren't even that bad and they were willing to negotiate. it embarrassed me the behavior of a lot of people on this site and I feel most the instigators aren't even interested in buying anything in the first place.

This. It's almost as annoying when all people do is bitch and complain about it. It's SO easy to jus skip past threads with bad pricing. If they won't haggle, then it won't be long before they find out its not going to sell. If it sells, well, I guess it was on the mark then, whether you agree or not.

[NecroPhile]

I'm not a fan of saying nothing when someone is trying to gouge or otherwise hoodwink the forum, as there are plenty of newish guys that may not know any better in terms of pricing/rarity/completeness/etc.

[Gogan]

I'm not a fan of saying nothing when someone is trying to gouge or otherwise hoodwink the forum, as there are plenty of newish guys that may not know any better in terms of pricing/rarity/completeness/etc.

In that case, sure, speaking up would be beneficial. But that Saturn guy, he had decent prices, said he would haggle, and still got blasted. Though, his dickish attitude didn't help, and probably stirred that pot a bit.

But, if you have no interest in anything being sold, and it's not gouged to the max, I vote people just stfu. If you are buying at high prices, you need to educate yourself. You can't fix stupid.

[jlued686]

Honestly, it doesn't bother me. I prefer it being the Wild West. If some douche wants to sign up just to try an unload an "OMG R@RE! SE@LED KEITH COURAGE!" for $800, let 'em try. Instead of getting our undies all up in a bunch and acting like internet rage nerds, we can just point, laugh, and move along.

And at first I was was okay with making a 150 post minimum to use the Buy/Sell boards. But shit, if some guy actually comes here with something good to sell and is willing to do so for a fair price, why make him wait until he has 150 posts?

Sorry, but I say we just let the community filter out the bullshit in this case.

[MotherGunner]

In that case, sure, speaking up would be beneficial.

Completely agree, and I did!  In my case there was history and context, I don't make it a habit to pick on every single newb that does this.  I even tried to calm the waters on the Saturn thread and that failed.  True some guys here go overboard and I frown on that, but it's important to NOT generalize either.

[nectarsis]

why are people posting in sales threads anyways this is the only forum I go to where it's common practice to turn every sales thread into a 10 page discussion. I go to a lot of forums with even worse gouging issues and when someone posts overpriced stuff they don't get any attention and the stuff doesn't sell. smart sellers then drop their prices until they make a deal or leave.
last couple of witch hunt threads the sellers prices weren't even that bad and they were willing to negotiate. it embarrassed me the behavior of a lot of people on this site and I feel most the instigators aren't even interested in buying anything in the first place.

On the flip side this a MUCH smaller/more tight knit forum than almost any other I have been on.  Plus most other sites have some form of time/post limits to post, or even see the sale threads which would negate a lot of these issues.  Add to that so many of us are friends (even in the real world) you'll get more reaction (usually more to the dickish attitudes warranted or not).  ;)