Xbox One

Arkhan Asylum · 05/21/2013, 01:10 PM

I loled.

what a piece of shit.

NecroPhile · 05/21/2013, 01:19 PM

Thank you for such a reasoned, well thought out assessment.

Arkhan Asylum · 05/21/2013, 01:21 PM

Quote from: NecroPhile on 05/21/2013, 01:19 PMThank you for such a reasoned, well thought out assessment.

I'm waiting for it to fully conclude to give my giganto-rant.

So far, its pretty hilarious. They're not mentioning any games and are showing off foofoo media center crap.

EDIT:

He just said "this is rocket science level stuff"

wow.

Arkhan Asylum · 05/21/2013, 01:52 PM

Ok, so.

Thus far:
The Xbox One uses "rocket science technology"
Foo Foo Media center bullshit
Built in Kinect/Glass flailing
EA games and their fake as fuck bullshit about how they care about games.
Phil Spencer talking about storytelling in games, and innovative gameplay (lolright), followed by "new first ever experiences".

More pretentious crap

Hilary Clinton came out to talk about some stupid shit about TV.

So over the course of this whole thing, aside from buzzwords being thrown around in relation to gaming, they've said nothing really about the gameplay.

but hey, it'll be great for watching movies!
EDIT:

oh right, and then the CEO duder comes out, rambles,

and then Call of Duty.

Yeah.

jlued686 · 05/21/2013, 02:44 PM

I've gotta agree w/Arkhan. Looks terrible. Based solely upon their presentation, it truly is "Dudebro: The Console".

They spent more time talking about fantasy football features than showing gameplay footage. And that's not an exaggeration. It's a glorified cable box that plays Call of Duty. Great.

Arkhan Asylum · 05/21/2013, 02:51 PM

Quote from: guest on 05/21/2013, 02:44 PMI've gotta agree w/Arkhan. Looks terrible. Based solely upon their presentation, it truly is "Dudebro: The Console".

They spent more time talking about fantasy football features than showing gameplay footage. And that's not an exaggeration. It's a glorified cable box that plays Call of Duty. Great.

Dudebro 360!

It was pretty lackluster.

Bernie · 05/21/2013, 02:56 PM

Hmmm. I really liked what I seen. Except the name.... We use our 360 mainly for media anyway, so it really caters to what we enjoy.

Arkhan Asylum · 05/21/2013, 02:57 PM

but..

its a game console... -_- lol.

jlued686 · 05/21/2013, 02:58 PM

http://www.computerandvideogames.com/407912/microsoft-confirms-pre-owned-fee-for-xbox-one/

Yay! We get to pay to play pre-owned games! And the news just gets better!

QuoteMicrosoft has confirmed that all Xbox One games will require mandatory installation onto the system's hard drive and, to install the same disc onto another user's drive, a fee must be paid.

Individual games will be tied to Xbox Live accounts, Microsoft said, meaning that the software giant can detect whether a game has been sold to a retailer and repurchased, or handed from one friend to another. In such instances, the second user must pay a fee.

"On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play," a Microsoft representative told Wired.

The company added that, once discs are installed on the hard drive, games can be played without a disc being in the tray.

The Wired article then elaborates: "What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner."

It added: "Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc."

Microsoft did not disclose what the second-user fee would amount too, and did not clarify further on the matter.

The article claims that there is no sweeping 'always-online' requirement for future Xbox One games.

_Paul · 05/21/2013, 03:02 PM

Not even seen the presentation but it has fail written all over it from what I know so far (and I really enjoy my 360).

Pay for pre-owned : Fail
No backwards compatibility : Fail
No transfer of XBLA games : Fail
All games need installation : Fail

Why not just use my PC instead? Or even go back to supporting Nintendo.

Arkhan Asylum · 05/21/2013, 03:07 PM

^^^^^ Yeah.

Nando · 05/21/2013, 03:08 PM

and look at this shit

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-is-not-always-online-but-seems-to-block-used-509077987

Arkhan Asylum · 05/21/2013, 03:12 PM

Yeah!

I don't understand why they're all up on the whole "lets be a media center" thing.

Just put a fucking disc tray, a controller port, and make games happen.

Nando · 05/21/2013, 03:15 PM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 05/21/2013, 03:12 PMYeah!

I don't understand why they're all up on the whole "lets be a media center" thing.

Just put a fucking disc tray, a controller port, and make games happen.

Because Bill Gates wet dream is finally coming true, albeit a tad bit after Steve's wet dream.

Sony and Nintendo are doing the same.

Arkhan Asylum · 05/21/2013, 03:22 PM

Hey, the Wii U is still focused on gaming.

It's just focused on that annoying "social friendly gaming" shit where you have to have friends and like talking to people.

What the hell's that shit.

_Paul · 05/21/2013, 03:25 PM

In addition to my list

Kinect required: Fail
Voice Commands: Fail (seriously, I had them on my Windows 95 PC and it was cool for 5 minutes, then I turned it off because it was dumb).

MotherGunner · 05/21/2013, 03:32 PM

None of you guys are buying it anyways! Stick to PCE.

Arkhan Asylum · 05/21/2013, 03:34 PM

I can't wait to flail around naked in front of the kinect while screaming Megadeth lyrics, to see what the Xbox does.

_Paul · 05/21/2013, 03:39 PM

I'm gonna get one just so I can shout 'XBOX - OBEY' at it all day.

bob · 05/21/2013, 03:43 PM

It really does look fucking stupid.
They are STILL fumbling around with a seperate device for the camera. The damn thing looks as big as the box itself. They should have just built it into the damn box.
When will the M$ retards understand this isnt the direction gaming should go?
God i hope this fails worse than a female parallel parking.

FiftyQuid · 05/21/2013, 04:00 PM

QuoteMicrosoft has confirmed that all Xbox One games will require mandatory installation onto the system's hard drive and, to install the same disc onto another user's drive, a fee must be paid.

Individual games will be tied to Xbox Live accounts, Microsoft said, meaning that the software giant can detect whether a game has been sold to a retailer and repurchased, or handed from one friend to another. In such instances, the second user must pay a fee.

"On the new Xbox, all game discs are installed to the HDD to play," a Microsoft representative told Wired.

The company added that, once discs are installed on the hard drive, games can be played without a disc being in the tray.

The Wired article then elaborates: "What follows naturally from this is that each disc would have to be tied to a unique Xbox Live account, else you could take a single disc and pass it between everyone you know and copy the game over and over. Since this is clearly not going to happen, each disc must then only install for a single owner."

It added: "Microsoft did say that if a disc was used with a second account, that owner would be given the option to pay a fee and install the game from the disc, which would then mean that the new account would also own the game and could play it without the disc."

Microsoft did not disclose what the second-user fee would amount too, and did not clarify further on the matter.

The article claims that there is no sweeping 'always-online' requirement for future Xbox One games.

I love how they use the word "fee" here. It's going to be full retail price, not a fee. Using the word fee in this manner makes it sound like it'll be $9.99 to use it on another machine. We all know it will be the full cost.

jlued686 · 05/21/2013, 04:01 PM

Well, no we don't...

But we can guess. ;)

Nando · 05/21/2013, 04:08 PM

Quote from: FiftyQuid on 05/21/2013, 04:00 PMI love how they use the word "fee" here. It's going to be full retail price, not a fee. Using the word fee in this manner makes it sound like it'll be $9.99 to use it on another machine. We all know it will be the full cost.

Solid assumption.

long gone are the days of, "hey want me to bring this game over?"

No wonder Gamestop is looking into old school games, their frigging business model has just been Angry bird'ed

OldMan · 05/21/2013, 04:15 PM

It's all about the benjamins, guys. Every decision they make is to get more $$ from your pocket to theirs.
Video games are a main-stream, big-budget operation now. Everyone is trying to get as much $$ as they can.

"Pay for pre-owned : Fail"
Not for them.
You buy the game for x$, turn it in for $X/100. Someone else buys it for $Y. They still have to pay whomever made the game to play it. And no one had to pay to produce that 'extra' sale....

"No backwards compatibility : Fail"
Not for them.
You don't want to pay for the same game twice? Too bad....

"No transfer of XBLA games : Fail"
Not for them.
Same reason as above.....

"All games need installation : Fail"
Not for them.
Now they can meet any deadline they set: "We'll patch it later...."
So what if the game sucks in the beginning. It'll get better later....
And of course, you have to pay for the priviledge of them fixing the problems (ie, X-Box Live)

"Kinect required: Fail"
Not for them.
Now you have to buy something else to take 'complete' advantage of the system.
Or pay extra to get it with system included

"Voice Commands: Fail"
Not for them.
Recognition software pretty much sux. Voice commands are gonna be slow, and/or require an internet connection.
But who cares? They get bragging rights, as the first console to feature them.....
Though the kiddies will love it. ("What's it do when you say f*ck? How about Sh*t? Cooool.")

"Why not just use my PC instead?"
Why not? That's really all it is. Except it's stripped down (so they only have to support specific hardware).
Look for lots of ports from the '1' to the pc in the future - so you have to pay twice again.

"I don't understand why they're all up on the whole "lets be a media center" thing. "

Because there is lots of money to be made in it, and they want their slice.
From tracking what you play and where you go on the internet (information which they can then re-sell)
to in-game ads (you know they are coming) to small 'fees' for streaming shows to your machine.
There are lots of ways to make money from a 'media center', and you can bet all the game makers are looking for a
way to cash in on it.

...
I disagree with companies trying to rake in every last penny they can (obviously).
Especially when the company officers are not held responsible for the results of their greed. (Get hit with a big
lawsuit? Go bankrupt. Private assets can't be seized. Who cares about the people who work here, anyway)

That's why I don't develop for more modern consoles.
Fun for us is just business to them.
I won't be buying any of the new generation consoles for a long while.....

Arkhan Asylum · 05/21/2013, 04:42 PM

by the time you buy one, the features won't work anymore because the servers will be dead!

esteban · 05/21/2013, 05:08 PM

MODERN ERA GAME CONSOLES: They make perfect sense to corporate executives and content partners and any other business alliance that can profit. As far as actually creating a solid platform that we (gamers) will enjoy...

SmaMan · 05/21/2013, 06:43 PM

Hey it could be worse, we could've had that Always On DRM that was confirmed in the early SDKs... now we just have to pay and have online activation!

So yeah, even though they said it wouldn't happen, you pretty much still have to have an almost always on connection to activate/pay for the damn software...

Looks like I'll be sticking with the Wii U this gen.

But y'know what's great about being a radio news producer? I get to look at these "revolutionary" press releases. And their use. Of sentence fragments.

Mishran · 05/21/2013, 06:56 PM

Happily can pass on this Gen. Gonna stick with my old school systems. When games were made to be FUN!

bob · 05/21/2013, 06:57 PM

Quote from: Mishran on 05/21/2013, 06:56 PMHappily can pass on this Gen. Gonna stick with my old school systems. When games were made to be FUN!

When consoles were meant to play games.

jlued686 · 05/21/2013, 07:28 PM

Holy fuck:

QuoteXbox One games will require a one-time activation code to use, but you'll still be able to trade and sell them online, Microsoft tells Kotaku—although we're not 100% clear on the details.

Speaking to us at the big event in Redmond today, Microsoft corporate vice president Phil Harrison clarified a couple of details about the system's used game policy and explained that there will be a solution for people who want to trade games with their friends.

Here's how the system works: when you buy an Xbox One game, you'll get a unique code that you enter when you install that game. You'll have to connect to the Internet in order to authorize that code, and the code can only be used once. Once you use it, that game will then be linked to your Xbox Live account. "It sits on your harddrive and you have permission to play that game as long as you'd like," Harrison said.

Other users on the console will be able to play that game as well, Harrison said. So you don't need to buy multiple games per family. "With the built-in parental controls of the system it is shared amog the users of the device," he said.

But what if you want to bring a game disc to a friend's house and play there? You'll have to pay a fee—and not just some sort of activation fee, but the actual price of that game—in order to use a game's code on a friend's account. Think of it like a new game, Harrison said.

"The bits that are on that disc, you can give it to your friend and they can install it on an Xbox One," he said. "They would then have to purchase the right to play that game through Xbox Live."

"They would be paying the same price we paid, or less?" we asked.

"Let's assume it's a new game, so the answer is yes, it will be the same price," Harrison said.

But that doesn't mean used games are dead. In fact, Harrison told us, you'll be able to sell your Xbox One games online.

"We will have a solution—we're not talking about it today—for you to be able to trade your previously-played games online," Harrison said.

The Xbox exec wouldn't give further details on how this system will work, but we're assuming that once you're done with a game, you can trade the code online and it will be erased from your machine. But what will you get? Other games? Microsoft Points?

No matter how the final system works, it is not likely to please GameStop, the world's biggest buyer and seller of used video games, but it could be a tantalizing way to share games with your friends in the virtual space.

Update - Microsoft's Larry Hryb has issued the following clarification:

Another piece of clarification around playing games at a friend's house – should you choose to play your game at your friend's house, there is no fee to play that game while you are signed in to your profile.
What this means is that if you take a game to a friend's house and try to play the game on their system using their account, you'll need to pay. If you take it to their house and try to play it on their system using your account, you won't need to pay.

In other words: playing while you're there is free. If you want to lend it to them for a few days/weeks? They'll have to pay.

PCEngineHell · 05/21/2013, 07:29 PM

(Looks over at my computers, thanks them for their years of continued dedicated service, and for doing everything the Xbox One promises to do, and more, all this time, and for doing it better)

Outside of that, yeah.... this thing looks like a PR nightmare, and I have a small gut feeling in a year and a half someone in marketing and a couple of heads up at Microsoft will be falling on their swords, though as a whole the issue will be shrugged off. This all depends on how well PS4 and Wii-U do though. If PS4 delivers a system that doesn't do fee shit on pre-owned titles and doesn't pull a always on scheme then it will be the winner of the new "console wars",whatever that even means anymore. I don't think it matters much though, since Microsoft seems to be taking the shift from gaming consoles into the realm of trying to make powerful but ugly as fuck media boxes that directly eat dollars from your wallet like dogs eat bacon treats. All that machine is missing is a "insert dollar" slot and a guy that comes to your house to collect the profits once a week.

Microsoft is going to look at whatever success Sony and Nintendo get and basically say" who cares, we went in our own direction creating our own new market where we are number 1, we are not in the game console business anymore, we ARE the multimedia business". By this stance if they get outsold in the market, PR wise they will express they wont care and that it doesn't count because they are no longer selling a game console, and are the only ones to compete with in their own new market they created. This will all be imaginary obviously, as we all know the core audience of the Xbox has always been gamers, who will be diverting their money and attention to the other companies that cater to them better. But Microsoft has basically created the best easy way out to losing the console wars, by feigning ignorance of being involved in it. Some of this reaks of 3DO in that respect.

This round they are basically stealing business models and ideas from Steam, Apple, and even Trip Hawkens amongst others. Lame doesn't even begin to describe it all.

jlued686 · 05/21/2013, 07:32 PM

Look at the size of this motherfucker!

Tatsujin · 05/21/2013, 08:08 PM

FarkBox One

CrackTiger · 05/21/2013, 08:13 PM

I loved how the biannual update to Call of Duty is: "now you have a dog!"

But he's got an adorable outfit so you will be coordinated in battle.

It's like the new Malibu Stacy doll on the Simpsons.

PCEngineHell · 05/21/2013, 08:16 PM

Fixed to better represent the truth of the matter.

FiftyQuid · 05/21/2013, 08:39 PM

Quote from: guest on 05/21/2013, 07:32 PMLook at the size of this motherfucker!

It is enormous. My panini press is smaller than that. A lot of Twitter posts suggested it looked like a top loading VCR. The best comment I saw was;
"XBOX Juan" Made In Mexico.

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 05/21/2013, 08:16 PM

Fixed to better represent the truth of the matter.

Not bad. I would have added teeth or had it verbally insulting you while inserting your monies.

esteban · 05/21/2013, 09:06 PM

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 05/21/2013, 07:29 PM(Looks over at my computers, thanks them for their years of continued dedicated service, and for doing everything the Xbox One promises to do, and more, all this time, and for doing it better)

Outside of that, yeah.... this thing looks like a PR nightmare, and I have a small gut feeling in a year and a half someone in marketing and a couple of heads up at Microsoft will be falling on their swords, though as a whole the issue will be shrugged off. This all depends on how well PS4 and Wii-U do though. If PS4 delivers a system that doesn't do fee shit on pre-owned titles and doesn't pull a always on scheme then it will be the winner of the new "console wars",whatever that even means anymore. I don't think it matters much though, since Microsoft seems to be taking the shift from gaming consoles into the realm of trying to make powerful but ugly as fuck media boxes that directly eat dollars from your wallet like dogs eat bacon treats. All that machine is missing is a "insert dollar" slot and a guy that comes to your house to collect the profits once a week.

Microsoft is going to look at whatever success Sony and Nintendo get and basically say" who cares, we went in our own direction creating our own new market where we are number 1, we are not in the game console business anymore, we ARE the multimedia business". By this stance if they get outsold in the market, PR wise they will express they wont care and that it doesn't count because they are no longer selling a game console, and are the only ones to compete with in their own new market they created. This will all be imaginary obviously, as we all know the core audience of the Xbox has always been gamers, who will be diverting their money and attention to the other companies that cater to them better. But Microsoft has basically created the best easy way out to losing the console wars, by feigning ignorance of being involved in it. Some of this reaks of 3DO in that respect.

This round they are basically stealing business models and ideas from Steam, Apple, and even Trip Hawkens amongst others. Lame doesn't even begin to describe it all.

Indubitably.

BUT IT WON'T TAKE BILLS LESS THAN $20...

Tatsujin · 05/21/2013, 09:22 PM

Seriously,　looks like an ugly IBM office desktop PC from the mid/end 90s.

SmaMan · 05/21/2013, 09:58 PM

And all this happens just as I'm considering moving my games off of my PC and to my console and keeping my compy and keeping is as an editing lab... seems like I may need to reconsider that, though I still don't see this new used games system, which cuts their biggest money-maker GameStop out of the equation, succeeding for very long. If they don't double back on this before the console's release, I'd predict that it will happen sometime in its first two years.

Arkhan Asylum · 05/21/2013, 10:53 PM

Making it so you cant rent/trade games is retarded. That's just spitting on the spirit of video games.

Welp, I've never felt better about having a Wii U. That thing mostly focuses on games.

Arkhan Asylum · 05/21/2013, 10:56 PM

FiftyQuid · 05/21/2013, 11:10 PM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 05/21/2013, 10:56 PM

Priceless. Thank you.

MotherGunner · 05/21/2013, 11:26 PM

It pains me so much to know Microsoft has hurt so many of my friends today. *Sobs*

Tatsujin · 05/21/2013, 11:50 PM

Quote from: MotherGunner on 05/21/2013, 11:26 PMIt pains me so much to know Microsoft has hurt so many of my friends today. *Sobs*

Did you know them doing any different ever before?

VestCunt · 05/21/2013, 11:52 PM

Boy is my head stuck in the sand - I clicked this thread thinking the original XBOX had a new internet moniker.

Anyway, yes, it looks like a huge pile of crap. Glad to see all the hate.

PCEngineHell · 05/22/2013, 12:32 AM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 05/21/2013, 10:56 PM

The end where he's depressed like Hitler in Downfall is pretty funny. I was worried though the guy was going to stroke out though during much the rest of the video due to his extreme levels of sarcastic angst.

Tatsujin · 05/22/2013, 12:58 AM

Oh, I didn't know the English language is using the term "Angst" as well:

QuoteAngst, often confused with anxiety, is a transcendent emotion in that it combines the unbearable anguish of life with the hopes of overcoming this seemingly impossible situation. Without the important element of hope, then the emotion is anxiety, not angst. Angst denotes the constant struggle one has with the burdens of life that weighs on the dispossessed and not knowing when the salvation will appear.

<EX>
An airplane crashes into the side of a remote snow-covered mountain; those passengers that worry about their lives without hopes of survival only face anxiety. In contrast, those passengers who worry about their lives with hopes of survival but do not know when the rescue party will arrive face angst.

Learing something new every day.

TR0N · 05/22/2013, 01:45 AM

My reaction towards the xbox one press release.

Tatsujin · 05/22/2013, 02:14 AM

QuoteCEO Kaz Hirai ‏@KazHiraiCEO 12h

We are going to sue Microsoft. They clearly ripped off the XBOX One design from one of our Betamax players

ParanoiaDragon · 05/22/2013, 04:17 AM

Quote from: CrackTiger on 05/21/2013, 08:13 PMI loved how the biannual update to Call of Duty is: "now you have a dog!"

But he's got an adorable outfit so you will be coordinated in battle.

It's like the new Malibu Stacy doll on the Simpsons.

But it's got a new hat!!! I want it I want it I want it!!!

I was totally thinking the same thing as you, oooooh a dog!

I didn't notice it mentioned here, but I understand the system is supposed to be on all the time. I'm not sure if that's a requirement, or a suggestion, maybe since it is a media center? I don't know about anyone else, but, I don't want my "game system"(I use this term every so loosely in regards to the Xbox One) on 24 hours a day, just sitting there in the heat of summer. Possibly a plot by MS for it to wear out quicker? I'll let you decide!

And with the internet thing, I know there are still people out there, that have crappy or no internet, so that takes care of them since it has to check once a day or whatever.

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