The SNES (shitty nintenderp excrement system) Hate Thread

[Tatsujin]

Why all the Chrono Trigger hate?  It's such a good game, plus this is just preference, no one can prove over all superiority of these games especially on the RPG genre which relies heavily on the story and fighting system.  Have I played all 16 BIT era RPG's?  No not by a long shot, but to me Chrono Trigger has it all, I love the music, the Graphical Style,  I'm a sucker for Time Travel,  14 endings, being able to run through the game from the beginning after beating it with all your new found powers intact, mixing all your characters super powers for one combined fatal attack, it's great, no flames needed.

I understand this is a PCE site and many gamers on this forum will lean towards PCE titles so maybe I can start playing these games in the future but for now Chrono Trigger has my vote.

Lol i don't hate CT, how could I? Such a good game. So I'm just saying.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

I don't think anyone was saying they 'hated' Chrono, just that there were better games out there.  Even in the '93-'95 time span. 

[Arjak]

Sorry, vestcunt. You're wrong. Thanks for calling me an asshole just for being interested in playing good games I didn't have back in the day on genuine hardware, though. Silly me for owning a Genesis back in the day! I should've known better that SNES games would have their prices jacked up so high. I'll be sure to pass on to anyone complaining about how expensive Turbo games are that they're being assholes, and that they should be grateful that Magical Chase only costs as much as it does.

[bob]

Sorry, vestcunt. You're wrong. Thanks for calling me an asshole just for being interested in playing good games I didn't have back in the day on genuine hardware, though. Silly me for owning a Genesis back in the day! I should've known better that SNES games would have their prices jacked up so high. I'll be sure to pass on to anyone complaining about how expensive Turbo games are that they're being assholes, and that they should be grateful that Magical Chase only costs as much as it does.

Dont fall into vestcunts comments too deep.  His hindsight vision is always a perfect 20/20.

[Arjak]

Dont fall into vestcunts comments too deep.  His hindsight vision is always a perfect 20/20.

I'm not really angry. I'm just getting into the Fighting Street spirit!

[bob]

RIGHT. Me too.
 

[EvilEvoIX]

I don't think anyone was saying they 'hated' Chrono, just that there were better games out there.  Even in the '93-'95 time span. 

Please name some so I can have my mind blown!  I'm always down for a new RPG.

[esteban]

ASIDE: Genetards can suck my left one (if they can find it).

[Otaking]

Genetards

love it!
or in Europe and Japan they're known as MegaDouches.

[geise]

ASIDE: Genetards can suck my left one (if they can find it).

Haven't dropped yet eh?

[VenomMacbeth]

I'd rather suck Esteban's elusive left one than play Chrono Trigger.

[Mathius]

I'd rather suck Esteban's elusive left one than play Chrono Trigger.

Why don't you do both and have the best of both worlds? 

[CrackTiger]

I can't think of an RPG better than Chrono Trigger from that Era, I'm dying to see what Samurai Showdown RPG is all about, could someone finish translation of it yet?

Have you played many RPGs from that era?

FF's on the SNES, I know Zelda doesn't really count as an RPG and is more of an Action Adventure game but Link to the past could be best, Chrono Trigger is just pure awesome.  Music, grafx, attacks, it's the best IMHO.

Translation: I played Final Fantasy II, Final Fantasy III, Zelda and Chrono Trigger before making a statement covering the entire Genesis, PC Engine and SNES RPG libraries.

Why all the Chrono Trigger hate?  It's such a good game, plus this is just preference, no one can prove over all superiority of these games especially on the RPG genre which relies heavily on the story and fighting system.

...Chrono Trigger has it all, I love the music, the Graphical Style,  I'm a sucker for Time Travel,  14 endings, being able to run through the game from the beginning after beating it with all your new found powers intact, mixing all your characters super powers for one combined fatal attack, it's great, no flames needed.

Cart games like Chrono Trigger may have theoretically as many as 14 endings, but it's like Tetris scrolling 14 variants of text across the same and only playfield screen.

All of Chrono Trigger's endings look like this-







The exact same stuff you played through multiple times as the game recycled backgrounds time and time again.


PC Engine RPG endings look more like this:







Typically mixed in with some original in-game visuals.

Now that said someone tell me some PCE RPG's I should pick up and I'll run through them see if I am swayed.

Tengai Makyou/Far east Of Eden: Fuun Kabuki Den
Tengai Makyou/Far East Of Eden II: Manjimaru (Chrono Trigger's final boss is a rip off from this game)
Seiya Monogatari/Anearth Fantasy stories
Madou Monogatari
Gulliver Boy
The Legend of Xanadu
The Legend of Xanadu II
Dragon Knight III
Dragon Knight & Graffiti
Cosmic Fantasy IV Chapter 2
Ys IV
Neo Metal Fantasy
Might & Magic III



Some Genesis/Mega Drive games you should try (including some more RPG'ish titles since it doesn't seem to matter to you):

Phantasy Star IV
Beyond Oasis
Lunar Eternal Blue
Surging Aura
Monsterworld II
Monsterworld IV
Crusader of Centy
Shining Force
Shining Force II
Shining Force CD

[Mathius]

Someone among us needs to translate Anerth Fantasy Stories. Find this person fast!

[EvilEvoIX]

I can't think of an RPG better than Chrono Trigger from that Era, I'm dying to see what Samurai Showdown RPG is all about, could someone finish translation of it yet?

Have you played many RPGs from that era?

FF's on the SNES, I know Zelda doesn't really count as an RPG and is more of an Action Adventure game but Link to the past could be best, Chrono Trigger is just pure awesome.  Music, grafx, attacks, it's the best IMHO.

Translation: I played Final Fantasy II, Final Fantasy III, Zelda and Chrono Trigger before making a statement covering the entire Genesis, PC Engine and SNES RPG libraries.

Why all the Chrono Trigger hate?  It's such a good game, plus this is just preference, no one can prove over all superiority of these games especially on the RPG genre which relies heavily on the story and fighting system.

...Chrono Trigger has it all, I love the music, the Graphical Style,  I'm a sucker for Time Travel,  14 endings, being able to run through the game from the beginning after beating it with all your new found powers intact, mixing all your characters super powers for one combined fatal attack, it's great, no flames needed.

Cart games like Chrono Trigger may have theoretically as many as 14 endings, but it's like Tetris scrolling 14 variants of text across the same and only playfield screen.

All of Chrono Trigger's endings look like this-







The exact same stuff you played through multiple times as the game recycled backgrounds time and time again.


PC Engine RPG endings look more like this:







Typically mixed in with some original in-game visuals.

Now that said someone tell me some PCE RPG's I should pick up and I'll run through them see if I am swayed.

Tengai Makyou/Far east Of Eden: Fuun Kabuki Den
Tengai Makyou/Far East Of Eden II: Manjimaru (Chrono Trigger's final boss is a rip off from this game)
Seiya Monogatari/Anearth Fantasy stories
Madou Monogatari
Gulliver Boy
The Legend of Xanadu
The Legend of Xanadu II
Dragon Knight III
Dragon Knight & Graffiti
Cosmic Fantasy IV Chapter 2
Ys IV
Neo Metal Fantasy
Might & Magic III



Some Genesis/Mega Drive games you should try (including some more RPG'ish titles since it doesn't seem to matter to you):

Phantasy Star IV
Beyond Oasis
Lunar Eternal Blue
Surging Aura
Monsterworld II
Monsterworld IV
Crusader of Centy
Shining Force
Shining Force II
Shining Force CD

I've played more than you've listed, I'm
Trying to get Phantasy Star for my Newly acquired Master system.  I have Shining Force CD Which I'll get around to eventually.  No one has played all of the RPG's of the era so I'm glad to have such a nice list posted.

Anyone like PC RPG's or Action Adventure.  I was a huge fan of the Kings Quest Series.

[Arjak]

I've played more than you've listed, I'm
Trying to get Phantasy Star for my Newly acquired Master system.  I have Shining Force CD Which I'll get around to eventually.  No one has played all of the RPG's of the era so I'm glad to have such a nice list posted.

Anyone like PC RPG's or Action Adventure.  I was a huge fan of the Kings Quest Series.

Hell, yes! King's Quest, and most of the other Sierra adventures, were awesome. KQ was one of my earliest memories of gaming, and I still have a love of point and click adventures to this day because of it. Ah, the memories...

By the way, if you haven't seen it, I HIGHLY recommend Paw's Let's Play of King's Quest 5. It is without a doubt the most hilarious look at that game that I've seen:

[Tatsujin]

Someone among us needs to translate Anerth Fantasy Stories. Find this person fast!

Your wish has been heard already many moons ago

Anearth Fantasy Stories - Translation Project Thread

[geise]

Tengai Makyou/Far East Of Eden II: Manjimaru (Chrono Trigger's final boss is a rip off from this game)

Truth!  I still like Chrono Trigger though.

[CrackTiger]

Tengai Makyou/Far East Of Eden II: Manjimaru (Chrono Trigger's final boss is a rip off from this game)

Truth!  I still like Chrono Trigger though.

Me too. It's too bad that the entire PCE RPG library gets written off by Nintendo and casual game fans who aren't aware of many games in general, let alone play them. I know how much fun it was to play Japanese PCE CD RPGs before and after Chrono Trigger, which I bought and played to death as soon as it came out. Like most SNES RPGs it was cool for a cart game, but CD RPGs in particular are a whole new level. Finishing Kabukiden before CT came out and seeing original backgrounds and enemies for every area of the game (let alone everything else), really magnified how painfully repetetive CT's visuals are and how much mirroring it abuses (even with the lack of battle background graphics).

I think that a big part of the mainstream appeal of CT, after the SNES/Square connection, is that it's such a short and easy RPG for beginners, that casual retro fans can manage to finish it.

[Nando]

Which game is this from? really digging the color use.

[Xak]

This is why we need PC engine translations. Even the Hucard games rock the house. (Worst game is Sinibad and its still cool)

[VenomMacbeth]

Which game is this from? really digging the color use.

I'm also really digging the color use...on the boobs...

[Nando]

Which game is this from? really digging the color use.

I'm also really digging the color use...on the boobs...

Smoothest pixel-ed boobs EVA!!! +1K PCE 

Say no to square nipples!

[Mathius]

Which game is this from? really digging the color use.

I'm also really digging the color use...on the boobs...

Smoothest pixel-ed boobs EVA!!! +1K PCE 

Say no to square nipples!

I think it might be from one of the Dragon Knight games.

[Xak]

^thats what I thought but does such a game exist on PCE?

Maybe its hileg fantasy?

[NecroPhile]

It's from Dragon Knight and Graffiti.

^thats what I thought but does such a game exist on PCE?

There are three DK titles on the PCE. 

[Xak]

It's from Dragon Knight and Graffiti.

^yeah just saw that. I want Dragon Knight now BAAAAD

[Nando]

It's from Dragon Knight and Graffiti.

^thats what I thought but does such a game exist on PCE?

There are three Dragon Knight titles on the PCE. 

This last one has some superb art. At least from the few scenes I've seen so far.  WOW

so how H are these games?

[roflmao]

This last one has some superb art. At least from the few scenes I've seen so far.  WOW

so how H are these games?

I've made it about halfway through DKIII (at least judging by how far down the faq I've gotten) and while there are some pretty risque stills, I don't think I've seen anything yet that couldn't be posted on these forums.

It's a really fun game, and pretty easy to work through without much reliance on said faq.

[VestCunt]

Person A: "SNES sucks"

Person B: "B-b-butt Ch-Chrono Trigger!!!"
--
The problem with snerds is they pretend to be diehard gamers, but they only play half the RPG's on the system and they never shut up about the same handful of games.

I've been hearing the same fuckers rave about the same games ever since my younger brother and his annoying friends had their video-game/body-odor parties in my living room in the Nineties.

Chrono Trigger. Chrono Trigger. Chrono Trigger.

Shut up. I suppose it's an OK game, but shut up. Jesus. It's like they made an RPG for people who loved TMNT: Tournament Fighters.

Why do all SNES gamers play the exact same games? Every one of them. Seriously. They blather endlessly about Squaresoft and JRPG bullshit -
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/the-best-super-nintendo-snes-rpgs

- while Ultima, Wizardry, Might and Magic, and any game that requires thinking, choices, or non-linear exploration is reduced to a footnote. I'd like to see these idiots shit their pants when they get lost in the first town on False Prophet.

[esteban]

Person A: "SNES sucks"

Person B: "B-b-butt Ch-Chrono Trigger!!!"
--
The problem with snerds is they pretend to be diehard gamers, but they only play half the RPG's on the system and they never shut up about the same handful of games.

I've been hearing the same fuckers rave about the same games ever since my younger brother and his annoying friends had their video-game/body-odor parties in my living room in the Nineties.

Chrono Trigger. Chrono Trigger. Chrono Trigger.

Shut up. I suppose it's an OK game, but shut up. Jesus. It's like they made an RPG for people who loved TMNT: Tournament Fighters.

Why do all SNES gamers play the exact same games? Every one of them. Seriously. They blather endlessly about Squaresoft and JRPG bullshit -
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/the-best-super-nintendo-snes-rpgs

- while Ultima, Wizardry, Might and Magic, and any game that requires thinking, choices, or non-linear exploration is reduced to a footnote. I'd like to see these idiots shit their pants when they get lost in the first town on False Prophet.

Dude, you are hilarious.

You are also a fool if you think this behavior/mentality is unique to SNERDS.

You think only SNERDS do this (circle-jerk to Square-Enix-Et-Cetera)?  MOST FOLKS, ON ANY GIVEN PLATFORM, are TRULY ONLY FAMILIAR WITH A HANDFUL OF GAMES. Furthermore, the games they are familiar with are always the "popular" titles (akin to the "TOP FORTY" playlists on the radio...actually, do radio stations still do the "Top 40" format? It seems like "Top 15" these days...).

AXIOM: Popular shit captures most of the attention, period. That's why it is "popular"...audiences are fickle and fads fade, so once-popular franchises (Ultima, Wizardry, Might & Magic) are replaced with new fads/blockbusters.

You can rag on SNERDS all you want, but this behavior is NOT UNIQUE TO SNERDS and, I would argue, this behavior is worst in WANNABE-RETRO-PSEUDO-GAMERS (95% of the folks out there).

Disclaimer: I AM NOT A HUGE FAN OF RPGs, JRPGs, ARPGs, CRPGs, or your sweaty asshole because I like old-skool pen & paper D&D and I have a life. MY DAYS OF PLAYING THIS SHIT ON A REGULAR BASIS ARE DISTANT MEMORIES.

Excuse me whilst I jerk off to my favorite things.

[CrackTiger]

Which game is this from? really digging the color use.

I'm also really digging the color use...on the boobs...

Smoothest pixel-ed boobs EVA!!! +1K PCE 

Say no to square nipples!

You mean like these?





As has been stated, this is the Dragon Knight series on PC Engine. Aside from the T&A, like many PCE RPGs, they feature a graphic and art quality unmatched on SNES/SFC-














But the retro-cuz-it's-cool Nintendo fans ("what good games does even Genesis have? Seriously!") will have you believe that the above pics are ugly and weak 8-bit stuff, while these are truly the greatest visuals from the 16-bit era (or often just plain "ever!")-










A never ending barrage of art-lite half-images, painfully mirrored , again and again and again...





This is Hi Leg Fantasy btw. No mistaking that-

[Tatsujin]

"mirrored pictures" yeah that's some lol-mem artifact plagued by almost every 8\16-bit cartridge based game system.

stuff you suddenly had seen much fewer on CD/SCD/ACD systems.

[Nando]

Booooooom! Mind blown!

That is just amazing in so many levels. The depth they achieve is fucking masterfully done. I need this game!

Not since finding the Telnet stuff have I been so in awe.

 Too funny about the square stuff.

[Nando]

Boooh on mosaic boobs.

[VestCunt]

Sorry, VestCunt. You're wrong. Thanks for calling me an asshole just for being interested in playing good games I didn't have back in the day on genuine hardware, though. Silly me for owning a Genesis back in the day! I should've known better that SNES games would have their prices jacked up so high. I'll be sure to pass on to anyone complaining about how expensive Turbo games are that they're being assholes, and that they should be grateful that Magical Chase only costs as much as it does.

There's nothing wrong with playing Genesis BITD, but what stopped you from checking out the SNES over the sixteen years since the Genny was discontinued?

There are plenty of attractive SNES games that are now outrageously expensive, but no one should have any cause for surprise or regrets. Ebay inflation has been painfully obvious since at least the mid-2000's. Hipsters fired the first warning shots around the same time with retro Mega Man & Mario t-shirts. We've all lived our lives, made choices, and had access to the same information since the 16-bit era ended. If you were truly interested in the SNES, you'd own SNES games.

For myself, while everyone else was wasting their money on Playstation, XBOX, Wii, and every other piece of plastic crap that came out, I bought all of the TurboGrafx and PC Engine games I ever wanted. I bought the SMS set. I bought all of the NES RPGs. I collected a shitload of D&D books and music CD's. I basically bought everything I was interested in as a kid, all while recovering from alcoholism, putting myself through school, and living below the poverty line. I'd love to have a Saturn, Sega CD, and a few more SNES games, but I'm happy with what I got. I own more games than I'll ever play and my video game consumption has to stop somewhere; it might as well be staring at an asshole's $100 listing for Demon's Crest.

[esteban]

Trü story.

[Tatsujin]

übertrüü!!

[Opethian]

SFC = WC

habeeb it!

[PunkCryborg]

I used to play lots of SNES but once I played through the staples and started looking for more obscure titles I realized how crappy the majority of the library is. A bad SNES games is BAD but a bad PCE game is still fun. I think it's mainly that crappy tinny trumpet reverb music in 90% of the games that makes me want to turn it off.

[CrackTiger]

"mirrored pictures" yeah that's some lol-mem artifact plagued by almost every 8\16-bit cartridge based game system.

stuff you suddenly had seen much fewer on CD/SCD/ACD systems.

The fact that the PCE doesn't have hardware support for tile flipping kept it from being spamned all the time. CD2/SCD games would likely have looked like SNES games otherwise.

[SamIAm]

As impressive as those screenshots are, for the most part, the later SNES RPGs look better in motion during the time when you're actually playing and not just watching some cutscene. Which naturally is about 99% of the time.

I'm about halfway through Kabukiden right now, and the tile repetition is pretty heavy, including its fair share of mirroring and palette swapping. So far it looks like if you stripped out all the cutscenes, voice acting and CD audio tracks, you could possibly squeeze the whole game on a 16mb cart. That's not to say this makes the game bad, but it is a prime example of how so many "amazing" PCE RPG visuals are actually fairly basic between occasional punctuations of extravagant cutscenes. I'd say Kabukiden's in-game stuff is at roughly the same level as FFV.

Further impressions pending.

[Xak]

^I have to agree with SamIam. Though I like TG better than both Genny and SNES I say the later released games with that weird "realistic" rendered look. We may have better GAMES on TG but comparing raw in game graphics, later Square releases dominated the look of the SNES

Rudura No Hihou


https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/a/box/2/2/7/24227_front.jpg

Bahamat Lagoon


Treasure Hunter G

[EvilEvoIX]

Great thread, gonna start playing some new games listed above.

[NecroPhile]

Cut scenes don't count in an RPG because they're not really part of the game?  You two are hilarious.

[SamIAm]

Oh, they count. But when a 30 hour game has maybe 20 minutes worth of cutscenes, the cutscenes can only add so much strength to the overall visual appeal.

[NecroPhile]

Right.  28 hours of the same attack animations against the same two dozen or so legitimately different enemies in front of bland backgrounds is where the action is.

[Nando]

As impressive as those screenshots are, for the most part, the later SNES RPGs look better in motion during the time when you're actually playing and not just watching some cutscene. Which naturally is about 99% of the time.

I honestly think this is mainly due to artists being more comfortable and skilled in their craft than anything else. 

If you see games like Bahamut lagoon, released in 1996, you see more secondary animation and just overall more principles of standard animation being used than was used in most games in the past.

Some games on the PC-FX demonstrate this as well.


The art style and even the color range to an extent can be similarly achieved on the PCE.  Just check out some of Black Tigers Golden Axe remake BGK's BKG's.  A box of crayons doesn't make a great picture ya know?

[Xak]

^thank u nando. I agree whole heartedly

[Otaking]

Person A: "SNES sucks"

Person B: "B-b-butt Ch-Chrono Trigger!!!"
--
The problem with snerds is they pretend to be diehard gamers, but they only play half the RPG's on the system and they never shut up about the same handful of games.

I've been hearing the same fuckers rave about the same games ever since my younger brother and his annoying friends had their video-game/body-odor parties in my living room in the Nineties.

Chrono Trigger. Chrono Trigger. Chrono Trigger.

I replied to another thread with a list of top SFC/SNES games and no mention of Chrono Trigger, in fact I included only one Square Soft RPG in my list.
I can't believe I forgot to mention
Super Metroid
Contra III
Macross: Scrambled Valkyrie
I could keep going and going naming excellent AAA games for the system, nothing beats it.

The Super Famicom/ SNES is my favourite console of all time, I'm a diehard fanboy of the system.
Let alone 5 titles I could name 50 that I rate highly but I'm way too lazy.
Here's a few off the top of my head that make it the greatest console ever!

Super Mario Kart
Super Mario World
Pilotwings
Do Re Mi Fantasy
Zelda - A Link To the Past
Sim City (best version)
Secret of Mana
F Zero
Star Fox
Actraiser
Undercover Cops
Super Ghouls & Ghosts
R-Type III Third Lightening
Demons Crest
Area 88/ UN Squadron
Super Aleste
Legend of the mystical Ninja/ Ganbare Goemon Series
Super Castlevania   
Xandra no daibouken/Whirlo
Assult Suits Valken
Kikikaikai 1 & 2
Ninja Warriors Again
Gundam Wing Endless Duel
Sparkster
Hagane
Turtles In Time
Axelay
Yoshis Island
umihara kawase
Karuraou