Turbo Gouging on Ebay ( r.i.p. - gouging much )

Mzo · 02/01/2014, 04:31 AM

I paid $7.99 for a new, sealed US JJ and Jeff on Amazon maybe 5 months back.

I opened it immediately =X

jelloslug · 02/01/2014, 07:41 PM

Quote from: monads on 02/01/2014, 03:00 AMThat's a great score!!!

I fully expected it to be not right but I lucked out.

DildoKKKobold · 02/01/2014, 10:41 PM

Quote from: Mzo on 02/01/2014, 04:31 AMI paid $7.99 for a new, sealed US JJ and Jeff on Amazon maybe 5 months back.

I opened it immediately =X

Nooooooooooo........

pc_kwajalein · 02/02/2014, 10:01 AM

It's not Ebay, but I wanted to know what the general consensus was on this.

http://videogamesareus.ecrater.com/p/16200185/gate-of-thunder-factory-y-sealed-w-pull

Even factory sealed, the price seems bloated beyond reason.

CrackTiger · 02/02/2014, 01:10 PM

Quote from: pc_kwajalein on 02/02/2014, 10:01 AMIt's not Ebay, but I wanted to know what the general consensus was on this.

http://videogamesareus.ecrater.com/p/16200185/gate-of-thunder-factory-y-sealed-w-pull

Even factory sealed, the price seems bloated beyond reason.

Factory sealed premiums don't add the same exponential value to games like the Turbo 4-in-1. If it was a complete game with insert and manual(s) sealed inside cellophane, that would be one thing. A true factory sealed condition for the Gate of Thunder 4-in-1 is a factory sealed TurboDuo, in which case the price would be appropriate. This is simply an incomplete loose copy.

GohanX · 02/02/2014, 01:15 PM

It looks like they may have the remains of tzd's stock, a lot of the games are the same.

ToyMachine78 · 02/02/2014, 01:42 PM

Quote from: guest on 02/02/2014, 01:10 PM
Quote from: pc_kwajalein on 02/02/2014, 10:01 AMIt's not Ebay, but I wanted to know what the general consensus was on this.

http://videogamesareus.ecrater.com/p/16200185/gate-of-thunder-factory-y-sealed-w-pull

Even factory sealed, the price seems bloated beyond reason.
Factory sealed premiums don't add the same exponential value to games like the Turbo 4-in-1. If it was a complete game with insert and manual(s) sealed inside cellophane, that would be one thing. A true factory sealed condition for the Gate of Thunder 4-in-1 is a factory sealed TurboDuo, in which case the price would be appropriate. This is simply an incomplete loose copy.

They also packaged the 4in1 with Super System Card if you mail ordered it from tti

CrackTiger · 02/02/2014, 02:49 PM

Quote from: guest on 02/02/2014, 01:42 PM
Quote from: CrackTiger on 02/02/2014, 01:10 PM
Quote from: pc_kwajalein on 02/02/2014, 10:01 AMIt's not Ebay, but I wanted to know what the general consensus was on this.

http://videogamesareus.ecrater.com/p/16200185/gate-of-thunder-factory-y-sealed-w-pull

Even factory sealed, the price seems bloated beyond reason.
Factory sealed premiums don't add the same exponential value to games like the Turbo 4-in-1. If it was a complete game with insert and manual(s) sealed inside cellophane, that would be one thing. A true factory sealed condition for the Gate of Thunder 4-in-1 is a factory sealed TurboDuo, in which case the price would be appropriate. This is simply an incomplete loose copy.
They also packaged the 4in1 with Super System Card if you mail ordered it from tti

But did they actually package it up or just send an OEM version in the same mailing package? If it was the same as the TurboDuo version, then the mailing package would be the MIB box. I had my TG-16 repaired by NEC bitd and they sent back a new or possibly refurbished unit, complete with every that comes in the retail box. It all came in a generic mailing box though. I wouldn't try to sell that off as MIB/brand new/sealed. It's just as misleading as all the "complete" copies of the OEM Ys I & II. The PAL TurboGrafx ships a loose TurboChip in the box, but selling that along with the photocopy manual as brand new/complete is also misleading.

If the 4-in-1 seller was simply stating the condition as "still sealed" and offering it for the price of a mint copy, that would be one thing. But when he's charging $500 on an obscure site and using lines like this in his description, it's pretty crooked:

"THIS MAY BE THE ONLY FACTORY SEALED GATE OF THUNDER TURBO DUO GAME IN EXISTANCE."

"THIS MAY BE THE ONLY ONE OF THESE YOU CAN FIND."

"Shipping WELL CUSHIONED IN A BOX is $13.00 anywhere in USA with SIGNATURE DELIVERY CONFIRMATION and FULL INSURANCE."

Like I said in my previous post, it's not the same as a retail MIB game as far as premium value goes. It's still something many people would pay an extra $20 for, for the fun of tearing it open. That listing is trying to create a priceless collectible out of a functional game.

ToyMachine78 · 02/02/2014, 03:12 PM

I didn't say the price was fair. I was just sating it could be sealed without actually coming with a duo.

DildoKKKobold · 02/02/2014, 04:02 PM

Quote from: pc_kwajalein on 02/02/2014, 10:01 AMIt's not Ebay, but I wanted to know what the general consensus was on this.

http://videogamesareus.ecrater.com/p/16200185/gate-of-thunder-factory-y-sealed-w-pull

Even factory sealed, the price seems bloated beyond reason.

I can't be certain, but it looks like that sticker/post it is under the wrap, on the actual CD, which makes this ANOTHER ecrater reseal.

Ecrater is a joke of seller on ebay. For as much as people hate on Video Grading Authority (VGA), they at least grade actual sealed stuff. Ecrater puts absolutely anything into a plastic case, self-grades (no conflict of interest there!), and sells things as "opened/brand new!" It isn't brand new if its opened, assholes.

I'm not giving VGA any credit, I think the whole sealed/grading thing is kinda stupid to begin with. However, if VGA were your local scumbag casino, then ecrater is the crackhead running three card monty in a back alley so he can afford his drug addiction. Ecrater is a politician that makes Chris Christie look like a saint.

NecroPhile · 02/03/2014, 12:15 PM

Definitely a gouge job on the GoT, as are all the other games he's selling (some worse than others).

Quote from: CrackTiger on 02/02/2014, 02:49 PMThe PAL TurboGrafx ships a loose TurboChip in the box, but selling that along with the photocopy manual as brand new/complete is also misleading.

You sure? There's a spot in the case for a complete jewel case and the guys selling 'em on eBay also have a bajillion "like new" complete unboxed copies of Blazing Lazers, so I assumed they belonged together.

Quote from: DildoKKKobold on 02/02/2014, 04:02 PMFor as much as people hate on Video Grading Authority (VGA), they at least grade actual sealed stuff.

They've been known to grade re-sealed stuff too.

CrackTiger · 02/03/2014, 02:09 PM

That may have been a step towards the final packaging design, but everything I've read over the years described exactly what I found after buying mine "new/sealed" years ago: at the bottom of the box was a loose TurboChip with a few 1:1 sized photocopy manual pages. I got Alien Crush and the other commonly mentioned title is BlaZing LaZers. I've seen sellers with lots of these units selling lots of loose "new"
TurboChips in sleeves. There may well have been any combination of complete/sealed-ness to the select games/products used for the test marketing. For incomplete games though, "like new" is the aporopriate description of condition and "incomplete" describes the complete-ness of games that were normally sold with other items.

VGA is one of the biggest sealed game scammers around. He doesn't cover his tracks well and buys up lots of like new games, reseals them and then sells them as factory sealed, guarenteed by decades of game collecting experience.

bishopcruz · 02/03/2014, 11:34 PM

Saw these, glad no one has bitten. But lord, who would buy these at these prices?

Mzo · 02/04/2014, 01:39 AM

farrrrrrrt

djolof · 02/12/2014, 08:37 PM

What on earth do we have going on here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Turbo-Grafx-CD-16-Bundle-Vasteel-Dungeon-Explorer-Sim-Earth-The-Living-/191065220282?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2c7c5fe4ba

Maybe not gouging, but maybe an issue with bidding nowadays...

jlued686 · 02/13/2014, 12:02 PM

Are people really paying $115 for the Soldier Blade box?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Soldier-Blade-BOX-ONLY-TurboGrafx-16-TG-16-Turbo-Duo-/301089641127?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item461a5752a7

Mzo · 02/13/2014, 12:56 PM

No.

When you have something and you don't know what it's worth, you set the price prohibitively high, sit back and take some offers.

This guy's already declined a few of them. It wouldn't surprise me if he's actually expecting to get close to that number. I saw a Cadash box I was keeping an eye on go for over $70, so...

RoyVegas · 02/13/2014, 01:07 PM

Quote from: guest on 02/13/2014, 12:02 PMAre people really paying $115 for the Soldier Blade box?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Soldier-Blade-BOX-ONLY-TurboGrafx-16-TG-16-Turbo-Duo-/301089641127?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item461a5752a7

Just the box, no. With the game and manual yes (on eBay).

ToyMachine78 · 02/13/2014, 01:09 PM

Quote from: djolof on 02/12/2014, 08:37 PMWhat on earth do we have going on here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Turbo-Grafx-CD-16-Bundle-Vasteel-Dungeon-Explorer-Sim-Earth-The-Living-/191065220282?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2c7c5fe4ba

Maybe not gouging, but maybe an issue with bidding nowadays...

The sad thing is that some poor chump actually bid

RoyVegas · 02/13/2014, 01:37 PM

Quote from: guest on 02/13/2014, 01:09 PM
Quote from: djolof on 02/12/2014, 08:37 PMWhat on earth do we have going on here:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Turbo-Grafx-CD-16-Bundle-Vasteel-Dungeon-Explorer-Sim-Earth-The-Living-/191065220282?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2c7c5fe4ba

Maybe not gouging, but maybe an issue with bidding nowadays...

The sad thing is that some poor chump actually bid

Not that he only bid but bid twice. Which means he bid the first time and then UPPED his max bid. Hense 2 bids on it from the same bidder.

CrackTiger · 02/13/2014, 02:07 PM

Quote from: guest on 02/13/2014, 12:02 PMAre people really paying $115 for the Soldier Blade box?
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Soldier-Blade-BOX-ONLY-TurboGrafx-16-TG-16-Turbo-Duo-/301089641127?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item461a5752a7

Just look at completed listings.

wildfruit · 02/13/2014, 02:13 PM

Quote from: guest on 02/03/2014, 12:15 PMDefinitely a gouge job on the GoT, as are all the other games he's selling (some worse than others).

Quote from: guest on 02/02/2014, 02:49 PMThe PAL TurboGrafx ships a loose TurboChip in the box, but selling that along with the photocopy manual as brand new/complete is also misleading.
You sure? There's a spot in the case for a complete jewel case and the guys selling 'em on eBay also have a bajillion "like new" complete unboxed copies of Blazing Lazers, so I assumed they belonged together.

Necro is correct

i can confirm my PAL model came with blazing lazers in case

CrackTiger · 02/13/2014, 02:20 PM

Quote from: wildfruit on 02/13/2014, 02:13 PM
Quote from: NecroPhile on 02/03/2014, 12:15 PMDefinitely a gouge job on the GoT, as are all the other games he's selling (some worse than others).

Quote from: CrackTiger on 02/02/2014, 02:49 PMThe PAL TurboGrafx ships a loose TurboChip in the box, but selling that along with the photocopy manual as brand new/complete is also misleading.
You sure? There's a spot in the case for a complete jewel case and the guys selling 'em on eBay also have a bajillion "like new" complete unboxed copies of Blazing Lazers, so I assumed they belonged together.
Necro is correct

i can confirm my PAL model came with blazing lazers in case

From everything I've read over the past 15 years, distributers had stacks of oem games, but there was no single definitive title packed in at the packaging stage. Which is why the box doesn't mention any specific pack-in software.

wolfman · 02/13/2014, 02:24 PM

http://www.ebay.de/itm/191065294314?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

4 Games in a Bundle:

Beyond Shadowgate
Ys Book 1+2
Dragon Slayer
Dungeon Master

Quite pricy, still 2 days to go....

IrishNinja · 02/14/2014, 04:40 AM

geez, my buddy (bishopcruz on here) was warning me about how bad this scene's become on ebay currently, fortunately i'm down to mostly common wants like Legendary Axe. even stuff i was morbidly curious about like Fighting Street jumped up, shit's crazy.

Quote from: Mzo on 02/13/2014, 12:56 PMI saw a Cadash box I was keeping an eye on go for over $70, so...

one day i'm gonna catch your box fetishism and it's gonna end up worse than my student loans

CrackTiger · 02/14/2014, 02:10 PM

Quote from: IrishNinja on 02/14/2014, 04:40 AMgeez, my buddy (bishopcruz on here) was warning me about how bad this scene's become on ebay currently, fortunately i'm down to mostly common wants like Legendary Axe. even stuff i was morbidly curious about like Fighting Street jumped up, shit's crazy.

Quote from: Mzo on 02/13/2014, 12:56 PMI saw a Cadash box I was keeping an eye on go for over $70, so...one day i'm gonna catch your box fetishism and it's gonna end up worse than my student loans
You just need to learn how to search sites like eBay and exercise some patience. Fighting Street is still cheap on eBay.

Many common $20 Genesis and SNES games have listings on eBay for hundreds or even thousands of dollars. Anyone can ask anything for any game, but it doesn't reflect what they're actually selling for.

InfraMan · 02/14/2014, 03:22 PM

Bleh, it looks like I picked a really bad time to jump into the Turbo scene.

Ah well, hopefully some of the more uncommon titles will come back down to a reasonable level down the road... even with my OCD, I couldn't justify the current asking prices for Dragon Slayer, Beyond Shadowgate, and Dungeon Explorer II.

At least there are a lot of good common titles that can still be picked up on the cheap, plus a ton of great PCE stuff!

Bernie · 02/14/2014, 06:13 PM

Not sure if anyone seen this or posted.. But check it out. I got excited, until I read the fine print... ugh
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-System-Card-Ver-3-0-TurboGrafx-16-CD-1989-Original-US-Manual-and-Case-/271397976417?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f30947961

wolfman · 02/15/2014, 04:07 AM

Quote from: Bernie on 02/14/2014, 06:13 PMNot sure if anyone seen this or posted.. But check it out. I got excited, until I read the fine print... ugh
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Super-System-Card-Ver-3-0-TurboGrafx-16-CD-1989-Original-US-Manual-and-Case-/271397976417?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f30947961

Yeah, thats a great one

Best ones are those that show the WHOLE package and then claim "but without XXX from the picture, again you do NOT bid on the CONTENT". Haha, yeah sure dude.

NecroPhile · 02/17/2014, 10:11 AM

Relisted at a mere $70 for a case/manual? Sweet!

*clicks BIN*

seieienbu · 02/18/2014, 03:10 AM

That's kind of annoying. I picked up a Super System Card loose a few years ago. I'd like to own a case but not for infinity dollars. Stupid ebay douchebags.

CrackTiger · 02/18/2014, 12:44 PM

While System 3.1 card prices were still the same on eBay, I bought mine complete for $80'ish. The manual has some creases, but it just looks like a regular played copy of a game.

esadajr · 02/19/2014, 12:03 PM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Cotton-Fantastic-Night-Dreams-Brand-New-Sealed-US-Version-Turbo-Duo-Turbo-Grafx-/161228012755?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2589f03cd3

at least shipping is free

CrackTiger · 02/23/2014, 02:09 PM

This loser dared to put Turbo in their name and is now gouging off the rest of their "collection".

http://www.ebay.com/sch/turbo_retrogamer/m.html?item=251453655016&pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item3a8bce47e8&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

Probably the crook from my area moved to Ontario. They were selling the "rare" HuCard converter for an outrageous price (along with other items in this seller's shop).

The only shipping option they allow within Canada for their $50 Vasteel map is $20. So you can buy the map alone for double what the game often sells for.

Mathius · 02/23/2014, 10:44 PM

Quote from: guest on 02/23/2014, 02:09 PMThis loser dared to put Turbo in their name and is now gouging off the rest of their "collection".

http://www.ebay.com/sch/turbo_retrogamer/m.html?item=251453655016&pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item3a8bce47e8&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562

Probably the crook from my area moved to Ontario. They were selling the "rare" HuCard converter for an outrageous price (along with other items in this seller's shop).

The only shipping option they allow within Canada for their $50 Vasteel map is $20. So you can buy the map alone for double what the game often sells for.

That copy of "Y's IV Fantasm Soldier" made me do a double take LOL

xcrement5x · 02/24/2014, 12:58 PM

Quote from: esadajr on 02/19/2014, 12:03 PMhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Cotton-Fantastic-Night-Dreams-Brand-New-Sealed-US-Version-Turbo-Duo-Turbo-Grafx-/161228012755?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2589f03cd3

at least shipping is free

Wow, never have I been happier that I bought the Japanese version.

FiftyQuid · 02/24/2014, 09:03 PM

Quote from: guest on 02/24/2014, 12:58 PM
Quote from: esadajr on 02/19/2014, 12:03 PMhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Cotton-Fantastic-Night-Dreams-Brand-New-Sealed-US-Version-Turbo-Duo-Turbo-Grafx-/161228012755?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2589f03cd3

at least shipping is free
Wow, never have I been happier that I bought the Japanese version.

What is the "vent hole" mentioned in the description?

NecroPhile · 02/25/2014, 09:47 AM

Quote from: FiftyQuid on 02/24/2014, 09:03 PMWhat is the "vent hole" mentioned in the description?

Small hole(s) in the shrink wrap to let the air out when it was sealed.

munchiaz · 02/25/2014, 11:18 AM

Quote from: guest on 02/24/2014, 12:58 PM
Quote from: esadajr on 02/19/2014, 12:03 PMhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Cotton-Fantastic-Night-Dreams-Brand-New-Sealed-US-Version-Turbo-Duo-Turbo-Grafx-/161228012755?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2589f03cd3

at least shipping is free
Wow, never have I been happier that I bought the Japanese version.

There is really no reason to have the US version.

geise · 02/25/2014, 12:48 PM

Quote from: esadajr on 02/19/2014, 12:03 PMhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/Cotton-Fantastic-Night-Dreams-Brand-New-Sealed-US-Version-Turbo-Duo-Turbo-Grafx-/161228012755?pt=Video_Games_Games&hash=item2589f03cd3

at least shipping is free

I'll keep my $20 copy.

FiftyQuid · 02/25/2014, 01:41 PM

Quote from: guest on 02/25/2014, 09:47 AMSmall hole(s) in the shrink wrap to let the air out when it was sealed.

All my games have massive vent holes. It's funny how much they breathe when you remove the cellophane completely.

Lochlan · 02/25/2014, 08:48 PM

http://www.ebay.com/itm/131120020158

Apparently $500 for a half-complete copy is the new going rate for Beyond Shadowgate? Yeesh.

wolfman · 02/26/2014, 03:11 AM

Quote from: Lochlan on 02/25/2014, 08:48 PMhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/131120020158

Apparently $500 for a half-complete copy is the new going rate for Beyond Shadowgate? Yeesh.

I guess people just went crazy, since the last went away so "cheap"....

CrackTiger · 02/26/2014, 08:30 AM

Quote from: Lochlan on 02/25/2014, 08:48 PMhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/131120020158

Apparently $500 for a half-complete copy is the new going rate for Beyond Shadowgate? Yeesh.

Too often the collectors with the most to spend aren't familiar with the games or library in general and overpay (by CIB standards) for what they believe are completely complete games. Then they inflate prices further by getting suckered into paying the price of a functionally complete game just for a missing piece of paper or cardboard, after they eventually figure out that their game can be more "complete".

This leads to sellers selling games in pieces, which creates the illusion that CIB copies of games are ultra rare. Which artificially inflates prices for complete games as well as their individual pieces. There's a seller on eBay right now with listings for manuals for all the rare CD games.

rtyper · 02/26/2014, 08:54 AM

He's the guy showing all the manuals in 1 picture, but selling them seperately?
I wondered what he was up to with that and what had happened to the games/boxes.
Strange.

bob · 02/26/2014, 09:38 AM

Quote from: Lochlan on 02/25/2014, 08:48 PMhttp://www.ebay.com/itm/131120020158

Apparently $500 for a half-complete copy is the new going rate for Beyond Shadowgate? Yeesh.

He started it at 200. I'm surprised it got bid up that high.
Personally, I have no problems with this seller.

CrackTiger · 02/26/2014, 10:54 AM

Quote from: rtyper on 02/26/2014, 08:54 AMHe's the guy showing all the manuals in 1 picture, but selling them seperately?
I wondered what he was up to with that and what had happened to the games/boxes.
Strange.

Someone on Sega-16 started a thread about this recently. They bought Rayman for Jaguar off of Digitpress and then the manual on eBay and it turned out to be the same seller.

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?26918-I-just-reunited-a-game-with-its-original-manual-Effing-scalpers-dudes

It's all about maximizing profits and increasing values.

munchiaz · 02/26/2014, 11:01 AM

Quote from: guest on 02/26/2014, 10:54 AM
Quote from: rtyper on 02/26/2014, 08:54 AMHe's the guy showing all the manuals in 1 picture, but selling them seperately?
I wondered what he was up to with that and what had happened to the games/boxes.
Strange.
Someone on Sega-16 started a thread about this recently. They bought Rayman for Jaguar off of Digitpress and then the manual on eBay and it turned out to be the same seller.

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showthread.php?26918-I-just-reunited-a-game-with-its-original-manual-Effing-scalpers-dudes

It's all about maximizing profits and increasing values.

Im so glad most of the games i want for consoles are common, and don't go for that much.

bob · 02/26/2014, 02:39 PM

There was some jerk off selling Godzilla game and manual separate recently too.

Lochlan · 02/26/2014, 03:46 PM

Quote from: galam on 02/26/2014, 09:38 AMHe started it at 200. I'm surprised it got bid up that high.
Personally, I have no problems with this seller.

Ah yeah, I guess that isn't really "gouging"--but this seems like the de facto thread for discussing high prices. Obviously you have no problem with the Dynastic Hero he sold you for $150 ;)