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Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?

Started by Otaking, 02/21/2014, 01:16 PM

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PukeSter

Quote from: guest on 02/21/2014, 01:44 PMI hoped there would be one during the last console generation when TG16/PCE games started appearing on the Virtual Console and PSN. Nope.
I'm sorry, Virtual Console got me interested in PCE. ;)

esadajr

if you think it's bad now, wait 'till a celebrity is seen playing the Turbo
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geise

I give 5 years, and the bubble will start to slowly leak.  It won't burst but after 5 years the prices will get better.  My reason is for age.  A lot of kids now have little to no interest in 2d/old games.  Our problem was everyone our age or in their recent 20's finally graduated college, got jobs and had money to blow.  Well now everyone is getting older, starting families and needing money elsewhere.  Shit will get sold off and prices are going to drop.  It's kinda like how everyone gobbles up new systems to try and gouge, then interest wains, and people are left with wasted money.  In 5 years if I'm wrong you can all come back and laugh at me, but I still believe 5 years is going to be the point it will start to drop.

Opethian

they said that about the neogeo 10 years ago and now look at it. Any hobby is plagued by instacollectards and people with more money than sense.
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420GOAT

due to the rarity the prices will stay strong. in five years you may not see turbo anything, as most guys will keep playing or just stash it. well see.
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schweaty

Quote from: geise on 03/04/2014, 10:48 AMI give 5 years, and the bubble will start to slowly leak.  It won't burst but after 5 years the prices will get better.  My reason is for age.  A lot of kids now have little to no interest in 2d/old games.  Our problem was everyone our age or in their recent 20's finally graduated college, got jobs and had money to blow.  Well now everyone is getting older, starting families and needing money elsewhere.  Shit will get sold off and prices are going to drop.  It's kinda like how everyone gobbles up new systems to try and gouge, then interest wains, and people are left with wasted money.  In 5 years if I'm wrong you can all come back and laugh at me, but I still believe 5 years is going to be the point it will start to drop.
I have noticed that the 2D games seem to have aged a lot better than the early 3D games.  It seems like the Playstation 1, N64, and even the original xbox and PS2 games dont seem to hold up very well over time.  I believe this has been a big contributor to the SNES recent success.  Those games just look a lot better than the next generation up from them.  Maybe younger generations will see it differently, but I think history will show 1989-1994 to be the true time when video games really came into their own.

ToyMachine78

I concur with the n64 and PS1 games not holding up. The polygon graphics look like ass. I would much rather play a 2d classic. However I feel the PS2 titles hold up very well, and still look really good.

Otaking

I agree early 3D polygon games haven't aged well.
Saying that I still love playing Star Fox on the Snes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86jH2UQmvKY&t=812s
Quote from: some block off youtubeIn one episode, Dodongo c-walks out of a convenience store with a 40 at 7:40 AM, steals an arcade machine from an auction, haggles in Spanish for a stuffed papa smurf to use as a sex toy, and buys Secret of Mana for a dollar.

dallaspattern

It's hard to tell. When we're 50, will you still give a damn? I'm not sure I will. But then again, hold on to anything long enough and it's just going to appreciate over time. Especially since it was a bit of an odd rarity of a system.

Climate change and the failure of globalization will most certainly see it reduced to recyclable parts that can be exchanged for food and water.

Miracle_Warrior

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Quote from: geise on 03/04/2014, 10:48 AMI give 5 years, and the bubble will start to slowly leak.  It won't burst but after 5 years the prices will get better.  My reason is for age.  A lot of kids now have little to no interest in 2d/old games.  Our problem was everyone our age or in their recent 20's finally graduated college, got jobs and had money to blow.  Well now everyone is getting older, starting families and needing money elsewhere.  Shit will get sold off and prices are going to drop.  It's kinda like how everyone gobbles up new systems to try and gouge, then interest wains, and people are left with wasted money.  In 5 years if I'm wrong you can all come back and laugh at me, but I still believe 5 years is going to be the point it will start to drop.
Seems logical, and you could be right, but I'd like to offer another perspective.  I believe it's in our nature to want to accumulate things.  Whether these things are tangible or not is another story.  Just look at the concept of gamerscore through achievements on Xbox.  Some people refuse to switch from xbox to PS4 solely because of the potential of losing their gamerscore, or worse yet, the little number in your profile that indicates the number of years you have been an xbox live member.  Status is very much tied to how much stuff you can accumulate.

Look at this very site.  Post count and years of membership count for something (not arguing this point), but there's nothing to say that a new member with limited posts can't be as valuable or more valuable than a more established user.  Take me for example.  I've been on this site for the better part of a decade, but haven't really contributed a damn thing to the community.  I recognize now however that this community is different than the community on other gaming sites.  You're not circle jerking around a Nintendo cart because it has 3 screws in it instead of 5. 

I'm not so sure that the nature of people will change.  The only question is WHAT will people collect in the future?  I don't think you were ever debating whether people would continue collecting period, but If we can agree that interactive games/entertainment will be popular, either through virtual reality, or some other medium, then I suspect collecting remnants of the history of that past-time will also be popular.  If anything, the next generation is more apt to collect vintage games than we are given the abundance of information that will be available at their fingertips.  When I started getting in to gaming, there was no internet.  By the time I really discovered what the true gems of each console were, it was too late for me.  I have a nice pile of games, but I have basically gotten to a point now where realistically getting each title on my wish list is impossible without being irresponsible. 

However, the upcoming generation isn't incumbered by responsibility yet, and all it takes is a handful of zombies who must acquire all the RAREZ to set this perpetual cycle in motion yet again.  It starts with what they know; PS1, N64, Xbox, etc...and then they are introduced to other consoles through research and reading and the need to get out there and get that next copy of Magical Chase grows from a want to a need.  Look no further than the dude who came in here to drop $5,000 on a copy.  No way that guy just woke up and suddenly decided to drop a small fortune on a game.  That idea brewed and manifested itself in to something arguably crazy to an outsider.  On a sidenote, I do believe he was mistreated here, but I'll leave that for another day.  I'd love for him to chime in and tell us what lead him to that state.  I am not judging him at all.  I've been there myself. 

I recall spending $325 on a copy of Eliminate Down for the Mega Drive; killer game by the way, and I am happy to own it, but I had to psych myself out to get to that point.  Ever afterwards, I seriously regretted that purchase and felt like a tool for spending so much money on a game.  In hindsight, from a value perspective, it has worked out for me in that Eliminate Down has jumped up in value.  Will Eliminate Down hold is value in to the future?  I'd like to think so. 

My point is that great games, regardless of their age will hold their value.  I also challenge you guys to come back to this post in 10 to 15 years and rip me apart if I can't even give my copy of Eliminate Down away at that point because nobody gives a crap out antiquated video games.  :)

esteban

I'll be fifty 11 years. I will be playing all my video games. Still. I don't want to think about how fucking old I am. But I'll still be playing the damn things.
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bob

Quote from: esteban on 03/04/2014, 07:05 PMI'll be fifty 11 years. I will be playing all my video games. Still. I don't want to think about how fucking old I am. But I'll still be playing the damn things. 
You are an old rover. I am a fresh 37 years old, so I have way longer than you before I hit 50.

Mathius

Quote from: esteban on 03/04/2014, 07:05 PMI'll be fifty 11 years. I will be playing all my video games. Still. I don't want to think about how fucking old I am. But I'll still be playing the damn things. 
Seconded

jeffhlewis

Quote from: Miracle_Warrior on 03/04/2014, 06:48 PMYou're not circle jerking around a Nintendo cart because it has 3 screws in it instead of 5. 
<zips pants in shame>

cr8zykuban0

i guess we will just have to wait and see. Yes, there are still deals to be found but are just getting harder to find.

technozombie

I'm a gamer first and foremost. I've been buying games for a long time, but honestly, I don't have very many. Perhaps one day emulation will be so good that people will care less about having the original. IMO we're not at the top of the peak because so many people don't know about game collecting. In my mind its still not very mainstream.

kenomac78

To think before eBay , the value was haut based on it's playability versus a friends other game for trade value! Or old ads like video game network or game dude that sold every game available back then. I think eBay has really wrecked everything , yea you can have access to almost any game but at a super high price and you have to compete with people who may just resell it or let it sit on a shelf.

Back in the day only one kid in the whole town ( not just neighborhood) had mega man 1. And it's trade value was crazy! You had to have 5 games if interest to him or no deal. I had the first copy of super Mario 2 in the neighborhood and it would regularly get traded with the kid who had the only copy of Zelda 2 ! But almost any other game would never cut it but lesser games would trade off easily.

I was the only one with a turbo and so there was no way to judge a value on it

Who says wii1 vc is getting shut off in May? I've yet to see that news please link if you can. I'm shocked!

VestCunt

This subject comes up once in a while. It's wishful thinking, it's stupid, and it ignores the lessons of history.

Better emulation and reproductions take a few sane people and gamers out of the rat race, but the increased exposure more than compensates with a new swarm of collectors and self-titled "Video Game Historians" who suddenly want what they didn't know existed a week before. The Virtual Console titles didn't make a dent in the secondary market. In fact, the VC's release coincided with what was arguably the first major TG16 inflation boom.

The 16-bit wars will be remembered as the "Golden Age" of video game history. The technology finally advanced enough for the games to become immersive, but it was limited enough to demand innovation.
The old games are collectable because they were largely ignored by adults and collectors.
The old games are collectable because kids threw away their boxes and beat the hell out of their carts.
The old games are collectable because they were weird and creative and we had a competitive market not yet dominated by Sony, Microsoft, Gamestop, Madden, and military recruitment propaganda.

Comparing similar eras from other "kids" collectables like comic books, baseball cards, and action figures gives us absolutely no reason to be optimistic. Men don't grow out of this stuff; they build man caves! The early stuff that was taken for granted by kids and ignored by adults is ALWAYS valuable, especially the smaller print runs/pressings, i.e. the TurboGrafx. Prices might come back down on semi-uncommon NES games selling for $50, the rare stuff will always get rarer. For every collector that sells his Magical Chase or boxed Turbochips to buy a house, there are ten more that just got their tax returns.
Topic Adjourned.

HailingTheThings

Quote from: guest on 03/08/2014, 01:16 PMFor every collector that sells his Magical Chase or boxed Turbochips to buy a house, there are ten more that just got their tax returns.
Scares the shite outta me.
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gamerslife

honestly i don't think it will take as long as most here, just a couple yrs tops. reason being i believe its hot cause the low number to complete the US set makes it attractive, but then as the prices go up the people that bought 30-40 of the games at high prices will make them say F it and sell then more sell and the market "floods"....but the games will never be crazy low again because too many people know of its greatness so prices will drop but the good ole days of $10 TG games is prob gone....and this all comes from my experience in the NES the library is so much bigger it took longer but The Punisher and other mid level games are great examples of this...that came was close to the 100 mark CIB but now is 30ish CIB. why cause the people my age that nes was their first console are not the new collectors and the snes kids are finally not the newbies its on to the n64 ps1 people and saturn so the nes seems tired to them i know more than a few collectors that don't touch nes unless they can flip it. but it could all be in my head as i have hit it more than a few times, lol
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IrishNinja

Quote from: guest on 03/08/2014, 01:16 PMThis subject comes up once in a while. It's wishful thinking, it's stupid, and it ignores the lessons of history.
damn, i was a lot more optimistic before reading this post.
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mrhaboobi

having been collecting TG stuff for 12 - 15 years i seriously doubt the price will go down.  Prices have increased stupidly ( but really only recently ).  just a a short 5 years ago MC was still only getting a couple of hundred, boxed complete games for 600 ish or less, i remember thinking who the hell justifies 600 for a game!! ... the 8500 or so they get now has really only been recently, the CD games always were more expensive, but you could always find a deal, my sealed daynastic hero was 50 bucks, i bought two at the time, one to trade one to keep, the trade got me bonk 3 cd.. i was happy.. but now days 1400 for dynastic hero, 8500 for MC, 800 for Terraforming, 400 for bonk 3.. 600 for a sealed LOHT.. WTF crazy crazy crazy.. i wouldn't be able to even consider a common tg collection let alone the rare games in todays market.   I questioned the $60 i paid for a MC manual, and the trade i made for a cardboard box.  but i wouldnt even fathom trying to get MC now days if i didnt already have it. 

my signature has the items id like to get in mint condition ( because i do collect and i do like mint items ), but those items have been on the list for YEARS... im not going to pay a small fortune.. i'll get lucky one day.. i think the time factor has caused the pricing to sky rocket, instacollectors, must have it all today and dont care what it costs..

But its the same for all systems i guess. what i find frustrating is im a Dragon Warrior fan, love that game, and i try and buy dragon warrior stuff, unfortunately it was a nintendo game aswell, so you end up trying to battle with nintendo collectors, of which there are a million and of that million it seems 50% are insanely rich!.  makes it hard to get some of the stuff for a game series i like. i figure the ones who cant complete a nintendo collection are not starting to eye the turbo grafx.. much easier to find if you have the money, where as the Nintendo stuff seems to be hard to find.
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synbiosfan

No.

Everyone here has or soon will have their systems recapped. Many more people are just going to throw their systems out when the caps go, unaware it can be fixed.

The price of systems will be much worse in 3-5 years.

Lochlan

Quote from: synbiosfan on 04/22/2014, 05:23 PMMany more people are just going to throw their systems out when the caps go, unaware it can be fixed.
lol what?  Where are you getting that from?
Quote from: ridgewood_general_store_1 on 08/15/2014, 11:12 AMI'm not sorry about this, as I'm not sorry about ANY attack by the goverrats.

Mathius

Quote from: Lochlan on 04/22/2014, 05:41 PM
Quote from: synbiosfan on 04/22/2014, 05:23 PMMany more people are just going to throw their systems out when the caps go, unaware it can be fixed.
lol what?  Where are you getting that from?
He probably means kids who had a Turbo/Duo growing up but didn't stick with it to become the fans that we are. I could see some of them dig a system out to relive some memories and when the caps go they'll just toss it aside and forget about it again. It'll probably never see the light of day again keeping it out of circulation.

synbiosfan

Quote from: Lochlan on 04/22/2014, 05:41 PM
Quote from: synbiosfan on 04/22/2014, 05:23 PMMany more people are just going to throw their systems out when the caps go, unaware it can be fixed.
lol what?  Where are you getting that from?
You see it every trash day where I live. People throwing away appliances that probably just need to be opened and a fuse replaced.

Mathius understood sorry you didn't but that's what I'm getting at. Someone will clean out their attic or basement, find it and go oh yeah, I remember this. When they hook it up and it's dead, they'll toss it. We're talking the average person here and not a site member obviously.

Every year systems and games are tossed by people who are clueless to the worth of the items, have to move and can't be bothered, their kids or pet fuck it up, fires, floods, you name it.

TheClash603

Quote from: synbiosfan on 04/22/2014, 08:03 PM
Quote from: Lochlan on 04/22/2014, 05:41 PM
Quote from: synbiosfan on 04/22/2014, 05:23 PMMany more people are just going to throw their systems out when the caps go, unaware it can be fixed.
lol what?  Where are you getting that from?
You see it every trash day where I live. People throwing away appliances that probably just need to be opened and a fuse replaced.

Mathius understood sorry you didn't but that's what I'm getting at. Someone will clean out their attic or basement, find it and go oh yeah, I remember this. When they hook it up and it's dead, they'll toss it. We're talking the average person here and not a site member obviously.

Every year systems and games are tossed by people who are clueless to the worth of the items, have to move and can't be bothered, their kids or pet fuck it up, fires, floods, you name it.
I did this with my Sega Genesis and Game Gear.  They aren't valuable enough to bother getting fixed, so when they didn't work after I pulled them out of storage, they went in the trash.

I would probably do the same with most systems, short of Duos and Lasetactives, because they are more costly.

Lochlan

We live in the post-ebay world where NWC cart prices are national news.  I think pretty much everybody knows to look on eBay for pricing, I would be shocked if somebody threw out a Duo without googling it or checking on eBay.  And let's not forget that we are talking about people in our generation.
Quote from: ridgewood_general_store_1 on 08/15/2014, 11:12 AMI'm not sorry about this, as I'm not sorry about ANY attack by the goverrats.

synbiosfan

Quote from: Lochlan on 04/22/2014, 08:20 PMWe live in the post-ebay world where NWC cart prices are national news.  I think pretty much everybody knows to look on eBay for pricing, I would be shocked if somebody threw out a Duo without googling it or checking on eBay.  And let's not forget that we are talking about people in our generation.
If the sale of a TG-16 system makes national news, I'll apologize :P

T2KFreeker

Quote from: synbiosfan on 04/22/2014, 08:38 PM
Quote from: Lochlan on 04/22/2014, 08:20 PMWe live in the post-ebay world where NWC cart prices are national news.  I think pretty much everybody knows to look on eBay for pricing, I would be shocked if somebody threw out a Duo without googling it or checking on eBay.  And let's not forget that we are talking about people in our generation.
If the sale of a TG-16 system makes national news, I'll apologize :P
But it's a great point. This world has become so Collectible crazed it's almost disturbing. Like people with "RARE" games. The funny thing is that in most cases, the rare games are so terrible they will stay sealed because nobody in their right minds will ever want to play them. I am not saying that there aren't exceptions to the rule, but yeah. Rarer systems like the PC Engine, or more specifically, the Turbografx 16 I don't see going down in price any time soon. Might stabilize as I am sure the gaming bubble will pop one day, but I just don't see the prices dropping all that much from where they are artificially inflated to now.
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wolfman

To bring something I already mentioned in some other thread:

Videogame consoles (the less common ones) are now like vintage cars. Expensive, some models prone to damage like british sports cars, sought after and becoming more and more - to stress a sellers term - "rare".

Add a video channel on the web devoted to "forgotten" systems, a magazine report on here and there, 20+ years and there you go:

Prices are upping. And they will keep upping. EOL.

Thats the uncomfortable truth.

I admit I don´t like it - but I honestly don´t think it´s going to change the other way.
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madboom0522

I am sure that quite a few people have seen toy hunter.... This is just another fact that even if the systems are getting older as are we, these prices will only rise over time. Look at some of the toys even before our time. Some of the older mego's and such command a absurd amount of money. Those toys were gaudy at best, but look at the value they hold. Video games you can at least go play and pass them down to your kids as retro gaming. A toy in a package is nothing more than a trophy to look at. Just like a mint in box unplayed game.
Titles to complete... Caught them all....

Otaking

Quote from: madboom0522 on 05/26/2014, 11:31 AMI am sure that quite a few people have seen toy hunter....
Never heard of it before, just watched an episode on youtube, was quite entertaining.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86jH2UQmvKY&t=812s
Quote from: some block off youtubeIn one episode, Dodongo c-walks out of a convenience store with a 40 at 7:40 AM, steals an arcade machine from an auction, haggles in Spanish for a stuffed papa smurf to use as a sex toy, and buys Secret of Mana for a dollar.

esadajr

Quote from: madboom0522 on 05/26/2014, 11:31 AMI am sure that quite a few people have seen toy hunter....
I don't miss an episode. As entertaining and educative as Pawn Stars, Storage Wars, etc.

At least with videogames (most of the time) you get to play them thanks to the magic of emulation.
Gaming since 1985

HailingTheThings

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Otaking

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86jH2UQmvKY&t=812s
Quote from: some block off youtubeIn one episode, Dodongo c-walks out of a convenience store with a 40 at 7:40 AM, steals an arcade machine from an auction, haggles in Spanish for a stuffed papa smurf to use as a sex toy, and buys Secret of Mana for a dollar.

kof1996

I am just getting in to Turbo-grafx collecting and it is extremely hard with the crazy prices right now

Ninja16608

Quote from: Lochlan on 04/22/2014, 08:20 PMWe live in the post-ebay world where NWC cart prices are national news.  I think pretty much everybody knows to look on eBay for pricing, I would be shocked if somebody threw out a Duo without googling it or checking on eBay.  And let's not forget that we are talking about people in our generation.
You might be right to some degree, but what about the grandparents who have no idea what the internet is. I have all too often heard the stories of someone throwing out a small gold mine in toys, games, etc just because they are under informed or the kids who do look to turn a buck with them are not around at the time of the trashing :-(

geise

Quote from: Ninja16608 on 05/28/2014, 02:26 PM
Quote from: Lochlan on 04/22/2014, 08:20 PMWe live in the post-ebay world where NWC cart prices are national news.  I think pretty much everybody knows to look on eBay for pricing, I would be shocked if somebody threw out a Duo without googling it or checking on eBay.  And let's not forget that we are talking about people in our generation.
You might be right to some degree, but what about the grandparents who have no idea what the internet is. I have all too often heard the stories of someone throwing out a small gold mine in toys, games, etc just because they are under informed or the kids who do look to turn a buck with them are not around at the time of the trashing :-(
My parents didn't do that with games cause I played them, but they did however get rid of some of my "original" star wars figures at a garage sale in the late 80's.  Some were out of the box so really not worth a ton even today, but they did get rid of a boxed (vinyl version) Jawa.  I believe they gave all of them to some dude for $20.

jordan_hillman

***this is a repost from a conversation I had with DarkKobold on a different thread, and I stand by my thoughts/analysis of the whole game collecting boom***


From, jordan_hillman:

"Investments/business models based purely on speculation always have their bubbles burst. Game collecting is what comic book collecting was in the 90s, and that bubble burst bad! Once everyone "cashes" in on their "investments" the market will fall hard and fast, and the people who actually give a shit about owning games for the sole purpose of enjoying them will benefit."


From, DarkKobold:

"The situation isn't really the same. My understanding is that during the comic bubble burst, the recently released "collector's edition" comics, variant covers, and the fake-limited release comics had massive losses in value. The things that were truly collector's items, such as the first appearances of Wolverine, Superman, Spider-man, Hulk, and etc, were barely scratched by the bubble burst everyone loves to reflect on. Apparently, most "silver-age" comics were left untouched by this burst.

I think the equivalent would be thinks like "Xenoblade Chronicles" and the glut of recent collectors editions of games. Games from the 8bit through 32bit era won't be affected by the crash, because they are actually difficult to find. While yes, some people are hoarding Magical Chases and other rarities, it isn't going to prevent the price from continuing to go crazy.

As much as everyone wants people to stop treating video games like an investment, it just won't happen. Once real money gets involved, so do all the shitty parts of humanity that comes with it. This includes investments, market manipulation, fake games, eBay scams, and the like.

As ultimately depressing my post sounds, there is a silver lining. An everdrive costs around 100 bucks, and lets you play all these insanely expensive games for a one time purchase. If it really is about playing the game, and not the joy of ownership of the original hucard, than that should be sufficient."


From, jordan_hillman:

"It's definitely not a 1:1 comparison (the comic crash and the current video game collecting boom) but there are still a lot of valid comparisons. For example, the current glut of collectors editions, special editions, games with low print runs with subsequent reprints (as you mentioned Xenoblade Chronicles) are certainly the equivalent of the 90s X-Forces, Spider-Mans, and X-Men number ones. However, other than the clear exceptions you mentioned before (Amazing Fantasy 15, Hulk 181, Action Comics 1, Detective Comics 27), the value of several books, first appearances, and story lines of key silver age characters were effected by the 90s comic crash as well (e.g. the Phoenix Saga, early Avengers issues--until the releases of the current movies--and first appearances of C-level heroes and villains who were re-introduced/remodeled in the 90s). The "rarity" and "importance" of those "key" issues (other than the clear exceptions of first appearances of Spider-Man and the like) mirrors the "rarity" and "importance" of "key" titles like MC, Legend of Hero Tonma, and the like.

And the only thing that kept the value of legitimate key silver age and golden age books high, even throughout the 90s burst, was the fact that these characters had firmly implanted themselves in the fabric of pop-culture and generations of people's childhoods. Current niche system and game collecting (e.g. the Turbografx, Sega Saturn, Jaguar, etc.) do not have the benefit of having a wide sense of value and importance among the general populous; basically turbo collecting, and its value herein, is only valuable and relevant to that small niche of collectors who find it valuable and relevant. So when a small niche is buying and promptly reselling games for a profit (even if that profit is slim), and when subsequent buyers are quickly buying them up before the "value" goes up anymore, it's an unsustainable business model that will collapse on itself eventually. And the "ultra rares" like MC and Legend of Hero Tonma, although they will certainly retain a decent value, are not going to have the benefit of a general population of people understanding the importance and rarity of these titles.

Don't get me wrong; video game collecting isn't going anywhere, and speculative collecting of any good or service certainly isn't going anywhere. However, there isn't a single market, commodity, good, or service that can maintain a continuous upward trajectory driven almost entirely on speculation."
"Live the code, the code of the Dragon!"

Lochlan

QuoteAnd the only thing that kept the value of legitimate key silver age and golden age books high, even throughout the 90s burst, was the fact that these characters had firmly implanted themselves in the fabric of pop-culture and generations of people's childhoods.
Is More Fun Comics #52 worth so much money because America can't get enough of The Spectre?

There are plenty of obscure and valuable comic books, just like there are plenty of obscure and valuable video games.  Neither popularity, quality, nor rarity dictate value by themselves, but all are influencing factors.

Quotethe "ultra rares" like MC and Legend of Hero Tonma, although they will certainly retain a decent value, are not going to have the benefit of a general population of people understanding the importance and rarity of these titles.
The general population doesn't have to care about these obscure games, only the market of vintage games collectors needs to care to maintain values--much like with our friend Mr. More Fun Comics #52.

QuoteHowever, there isn't a single market, commodity, good, or service that can maintain a continuous upward trajectory driven almost entirely on speculation.
T206 Honus Wagner says "'sup?"
Quote from: ridgewood_general_store_1 on 08/15/2014, 11:12 AMI'm not sorry about this, as I'm not sorry about ANY attack by the goverrats.

HailingTheThings

Quote from: kof1996 on 05/28/2014, 12:53 PMI am just getting in to Turbo-grafx collecting and it is extremely hard with the crazy prices right now
Go make an introduction, yes? Do that....alot...

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jordan_hillman

Quote from: Lochlan on 05/28/2014, 09:38 PMIs More Fun Comics #52 worth so much money because America can't get enough of The Spectre?

There are plenty of obscure and valuable comic books, just like there are plenty of obscure and valuable video games.  Neither popularity, quality, nor rarity dictate value by themselves, but all are influencing factors.

The general population doesn't have to care about these obscure games, only the market of vintage games collectors needs to care to maintain values--much like with our friend Mr. More Fun Comics #52.

T206 Honus Wagner says "'sup?"
My apologies for not including the golden age of comics in my first response. The Spectre was definitely a popular character in his time (and maintains a cult following), and the initial rise in that comic's value was due to the popularity of that character for those that grew up reading comics during the 30s and 40s. From there, the overall collectibility of golden age comics has become a pop culture phenomenon in-and-of-itself, along with the continued pop-culture relevance of several of those characters, and the legitimate scarcity of any surviving golden age comic in any condition, along with the famous T206 Honus Wagner baseball card (or any surviving card from that era of baseball) has resulted in collectors willing to pay top dollar for comics and baseball cards in good condition. Baseball and comics (especially their respective golden ages and baseball's dead ball era) have, and continue to have, huge influences on pop-culture and collector culture, especially those with deep pockets.

When the scarcity of video games, rare or not, in functioning condition hits the level of golden age comics and dead ball era baseball cards in fair or decent condition, then, and only then, video games will turn into investments and not a market driven by mere speculation. The driving force behind the "value" of these games is collectors speculating on future increases in value in order to quickly flip or to cash in on their "investment" in the future when the market has peaked. When that happens the video game market will get a huge influx of "rare" titles, and many people will loose money on their investments, especially if they buy right before the cash-in. Speculative economic practices always end in the same way, with the only differences being the length of the speculation period, the severity of the crash, and the length of the recovery.

Now let's all enjoy some us some TG!  :D
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Quote from: Lochlan on 05/28/2014, 09:38 PMT206 Honus Wagner says "'sup?"
That should answer the question.
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Medic_wheat

Quote from: kof1996 on 05/28/2014, 12:53 PMI am just getting in to Turbo-grafx collecting and it is extremely hard with the crazy prices right now
Can I ask why?


Why the turbo?


I am not being snide or sarcastic (apart from my typical persona).

o.pwuaioc

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Quote from: Medic_wheat on 05/31/2014, 03:38 AM
Quote from: kof1996 on 05/28/2014, 12:53 PMI am just getting in to Turbo-grafx collecting and it is extremely hard with the crazy prices right now
Can I ask why?


Why the turbo?

I am not being snide or sarcastic (apart from my typical persona).
Unless he's a collectard, why not the Turbo? The homebrew needs to sell!

geise

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I now say no.  No, because people "finally" realize how awesome Turbo games are.  People want to buy said turbo games.  Gougers realize people love the Turbo.  Gougers love that "new turbo players" don't know two shits of what something is worth.  So, gougers get their price.

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NightWolve

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As long as you have big spenders around that still haven't gotten all the originals that they want, then no. The last Magical Chase auction showed that there are two nuts out there that were willing to spend $7000 and $7100. One guy won the auction, so he has it, but the other guy that lost broadcast a message to the world that he's still out there and willing to spend $7000 on the next MC that'll come along... What kind of BIN is the next person gonna set with a copy of MC if they decide to sell it ? Even a year or two from now, they're gonna wanna find that loser from that last auction... In short, how could some sort of crash ever be predicted ? It's just wishful thinking.

Medic_wheat

Quote from: guest on 05/31/2014, 03:53 AM
Quote from: Medic_wheat on 05/31/2014, 03:38 AM
Quote from: kof1996 on 05/28/2014, 12:53 PMI am just getting in to Turbo-grafx collecting and it is extremely hard with the crazy prices right now
Can I ask why?


Why the turbo?

I am not being snide or sarcastic (apart from my typical persona).
Unless he's a collectard, why not the Turbo? The homebrew needs to sell!
I am interested to see what interested him in the system.


We have to admit the TG-16 is not a partially talked about system for most any collector to be into.
Not when you can go for a system that most people actually owned as kids that being Nintendo or sega.

I for one was interred by reviews on YouTube that spida did (turbo-reviews) which lead to my picking up a system and some games off craigslist.  Mind you at the time it happened so easily almost like serendipity I thought initaly. Oh this must be easy to find since no one is interested or know what this is!   NOPE since then I have never come upon one of these in the wild again apart from eBay and litterly one regular seller I buy off of who had decent prices for a few games I bought that he had trouble moving. Unfortunately I went to pick up a few more games on day and he had sold the entire lot to one guy.

It wasn't until that first system and hand full of games as I sat there and played Bonk I realized I did know someone when I was a kid who had it...and never let me play it...  Older cousin who always got what he wanted but luckily I rarely saw as he lived in Dallas TX.....so getting to finally try that system out was very fun....like scratching a itch you couldnt reach.  From there I just want to enjoy it....find those games that are as interesting unique and fun that those who only focus on Nintendo and sega will never expiriance.