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Your new TG16/CD collection purchases for the month?

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johnnymad

Nice pickup, elderbroom! I haven't bought any new TG stuffs since I got my Everdrive.

elderbroom

Quote from: johnnymad on 09/07/2014, 09:15 PMNice pickup, elderbroom! I haven't bought any new TG stuffs since I got my Everdrive.
I haven't OVERPAID for any TG stuff since I got my Everdrive.  ;-)   I still want to collect, but can sit back and be more patient to get it at "my price".
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Elderbroom
My TG-16/PCE Collection : http://www.pcedaisakusen.net/2/34/615/show-collection.htm

johnnymad

Nice. Haven't been collecting much of anything lately. Got to save up the moneys.

jordan_hillman

Quote from: elderbroom on 09/07/2014, 05:40 PMStumbled across this great TG-16 lot on local online classified. Paid $100 CDN, and about $20 in gas to go pick it up.

The box is pretty rough, styrofoam is intact, but no manuals or inserts. Console is clean (has all hookups), turbo tap, extension, turbo booster plus and extra turbo pad. 

Pile of (14) games, all CIC. Only Devil's Crush with some minor yellowing on the huCard.

Just wiped it all down, will test everything this evening.

Fills a number of holes in my collection.  Will have a title of two for a future Raffle on this site, and some to bring along to an upcoming Game Swap in hopes to find more Obey.

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Not exactly in the wild .. as I don't get up early enough, or have enough energy for Yard/Garage Sales or Flea Markets (as most around here end up being retail shops running a booth on the weekend) .. but faired damn well lately just with online classified.
Very solid score!
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technozombie

Quote from: elderbroom on 09/07/2014, 05:40 PMStumbled across this great TG-16 lot on local online classified. Paid $100 CDN, and about $20 in gas to go pick it up.

The box is pretty rough, styrofoam is intact, but no manuals or inserts. Console is clean (has all hookups), turbo tap, extension, turbo booster plus and extra turbo pad. 

Pile of (14) games, all CIC. Only Devil's Crush with some minor yellowing on the huCard.

Just wiped it all down, will test everything this evening.




Fills a number of holes in my collection.  Will have a title of two for a future Raffle on this site, and some to bring along to an upcoming Game Swap in hopes to find more Obey.

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Not exactly in the wild .. as I don't get up early enough, or have enough energy for Yard/Garage Sales or Flea Markets (as most around here end up being retail shops running a booth on the weekend) .. but faired damn well lately just with online classified.
I slog my way through garage sales twice a week and never find any Turbo goodness.  I do enjoy the hunt though. Also, what a great selection of games, the original owner had pretty good taste.

nosorrow

This week marks my PC Engine baptism of fire: I purchased one of Doujindance's modded Duo-R's yesterday and, today, I added Spriggan (first one). That game is also one of the main reasons I purchased the system (big Compile fan here).

NecroPhile

Welcome aboard, nosorrow, and have fun with Spriggan.  'Tis a great shewty.
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Otaking

Quote from: nosorrow on 09/09/2014, 10:14 PMI added Spriggan (first one). That game is also one of the main reasons I purchased the system (big Compile fan here).
Spriggan is awesome. If you're a Compile fan make sure to check out GunHed and Sylphia.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86jH2UQmvKY&t=812s
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nosorrow

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Quote from: guest on 09/10/2014, 09:43 AMWelcome aboard, nosorrow, and have fun with Spriggan.  'Tis a great shewty.
Thank you! I am a huge M.U.S.H.A. fan and I also quite enjoy Robo Aleste, Space Megaforce, Zanac Neo and Gun Nac, so I'm sure I'll be pleased. (Almost forgot Blazing Lazers which I have downloaded on the Wii along with the fantastic "Soldier" games.)

Quote from: HardcoreOtaku on 09/10/2014, 10:19 AM
Quote from: nosorrow on 09/09/2014, 10:14 PMI added Spriggan (first one). That game is also one of the main reasons I purchased the system (big Compile fan here).
Spriggan is awesome. If you're a Compile fan make sure to check out GunHed and Sylphia.
GunHed and Sylphia are already on my want list. 8)

Back in 2004, I purchased a brand new Turbo Duo from a Toronto seller who stumbled upon a small warehouse full of them. However, I ended up selling the system back shortly thereafter as I wasn't feeling like committing to a console with such inflated aftermarket prices. Yet, here I am now and the prices are 10 times as bad as they were back then. A financial analyst, I am not. :wink:

nosorrow

...and today was a new day and I got myself Nexzr (first release), including the spine and the registration card. So 2 down and 10 to go on my (initial) want list.

Azzurri

Quote from: nosorrow on 09/10/2014, 09:46 PM...and today was a new day and I got myself Nexzr (first release), including the spine and the registration card. So 2 down and 10 to go on my (initial) want list.
What's a factory sealed Turbo Duo go for now?

nosorrow

I don't know how much it goes for nowadays, but back in 2004 I got mine for around $500 (on ebay).

Azzurri

Quote from: nosorrow on 09/10/2014, 09:56 PMI don't know how much it goes for nowadays, but back in 2004 I got mine for around $500 (on ebay).
So probably 5x now, lol.

nosorrow

Just added Dracula X (w/ spine but no registration card).

Pretty good start I think: Spriggan, Nexzr and Rondo of Blood. I'll be set for a while. (My wallet is begging for mercy, too.  :wink:)

Otaking

Quote from: nosorrow on 09/11/2014, 06:15 AMPretty good start I think: Spriggan, Nexzr and Rondo of Blood.
Yeh that's a great start, 3 amazing games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86jH2UQmvKY&t=812s
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Azzurri

#165
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Splatterhouse, Keith Courage, and star parodier are one their way.

I also picked up just now Dragon Slayer and YS III at a local game store which had a bunch for PCE games and only 2 English titles.

I paid $100 for Dragon Slayer and 68 for YS III.  I checked ebay prices and it seems to be a good 30+ cheap for both of these.  Did I do good?

Also, what is a JP version of Cotton worth  They have one there I could get for 65?

CrackTiger

QuoteI paid $100 for Dragon Slayer and 68 for YS III.  I checked ebay prices and it seems to be a good 30+ cheap for both of these.  Did I do good?
They've been selling for less on eBay lately, so yeah, the local game store did do very well.
Justin the Not-So-Cheery Black/Hack/CrackTiger helped Joshua Jackass, Andrew/Arkhan Dildovich and the DildoPhiles destroy 2 PC Engine groups: one by Aaron Lambert on Facebook, then the other by Aaron Nanto!!! Him and PCE Aarons don't have a good track record together! Both times he blamed the Aarons and their staff in a "Look-what-you-made-us-do?!" manner, never himself nor his deranged/destructive/doxxing toxic turbo troll gang which he covers up for under the "community" euphemism!

Azzurri

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Quote from: guest on 09/11/2014, 09:44 PM
QuoteI paid $100 for Dragon Slayer and 68 for YS III.  I checked ebay prices and it seems to be a good 30+ cheap for both of these.  Did I do good?
They've been selling for less on eBay lately, so yeah, the local game store did do very well.
Hmm, where are you seeing that it's cheaper than 100 for the US version?

NM, so the median price is 106, so paid a little under that.

Medic_wheat

People posting their pick ups and price asking if they bought at a good price feels very Nintendo Age IMO  :wink:

Azzurri

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Quote from: Medic_wheat on 09/11/2014, 11:01 PMPeople posting their pick ups and price asking if they bought at a good price feels very Nintendo Age IMO  :wink:
What do you want me to do? 

I get it I have not been collecting turbo stuff for over 20 years like a lot of you, but there is nothing I can do about that now, so asking if it's a good deal from people who know is helpful to me. I'm pretty damn frugal with my money, so spending a lot of money kills me. 

I'm just trying to find good games and good deals so I can pop em in and enjoy.

Believe me, in the past month I've been going all around the city looking for TG16 stuff, from Flea markets, Thrift Stores, and Garbage sales.  I check Ebay and see what the price that are non BiN go for, so I do my homework when buying stuff before I shell out money.

wyndcrosser

Quote from: Azzurri on 09/11/2014, 11:07 PM
Quote from: Medic_wheat on 09/11/2014, 11:01 PMPeople posting their pick ups and price asking if they bought at a good price feels very Nintendo Age IMO  :wink:
What do you want me to do? 

I get it I have not been collecting turbo stuff for over 20 years like a lot of you, but there is nothing I can do about that now, so asking if it's a good deal from people who know is helpful to me. I'm pretty damn frugal with my money, so spending a lot of money kills me. 

I'm just trying to find good games and good deals so I can pop em in and enjoy.

Believe me, in the past month I've been going all around the city looking for TG16 stuff, from Flea markets, Thrift Stores, and Garbage sales.  I check Ebay and see what the price that are non BiN go for, so I do my homework when buying stuff before I shell out money. 
Why are you caring about his opinion? It doesn't really matter, do whatever it is you do, enjoy the "Art" of the hunt for games. Good luck.

NecroPhile

Quote from: Azzurri on 09/11/2014, 11:07 PMWhat do you want me to do? 
Don't waste everyone's time, including your own.  It's obvious that you've already made up your mind that it was a fair deal, so why ask our opinion and then argue when someone says it's not?
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elderbroom

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Agreeing with NecroPhile here.  I have as a less experienced collector posted in discussion sub-threads to ask what the perceived value of an item or bundle was. As that was at the point where I was contemplating buying it but really questioned what was a fair price, versus the more typical eBay/reseller gouger price. I've used feedback from the more experienced Obeyers to either negotiate harder, walk away, or pickup the given item. But if you've already made that decision and purchased the item .. you've already decided it's fair price "for you". So don't really get the need to come and have others validate or debate it afterwards. Just my 2cents. Maybe start a new thread/topic call "So, did I get screwed or what ?"
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Medic_wheat

Quote from: elderbroom on 09/12/2014, 10:30 AMAgreeing with NecroPhile here.  I have as a less experienced collector posted in discussion sub-threads to ask what the perceived value of an item or bundle was. As that was at the point where I was contemplating buying it but really questioned what was a fair price, versus the more typical eBay/reseller gouger price. I've used feedback from the more experienced Obeyers to either negotiate harder, walk away, or pickup the given item. But if you've already made that decision and purchased the item .. you've already decided it's fair price "for you". So don't really get the need to come and have others validate or debate it afterwards. Just my 2cents. Maybe start a new thread/topic call "So, did I get screwed or what ?"
This

But in my much less dickish way then what I initally said.

schweaty

QuoteWhat do you want me to do? 
i dont think anyone has a problem with you asking what you should pay if they think you are doing it as a last resort.  you should lead us to believe that you have exhausted all of the internet, not coming here first. 

this is already been said, but if you havent looked at sold auctions (preferably not BIN) on ebay and pricecharting.com as a minimum, please do so first.  ebay is the only consistent market determined price for these types of things (auctionsonly , not BIN... just because someone got lucky with a low BIN because the seller didnt know what it was worth, does not determine true price)

exceptions to this can be made for some of the rarer titles that dont come up for sale as often

nosorrow

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I notice I didn't post my earlier pickups in the right section (should have gone in the PC Engine tab). Any reason why the site is so fragmented? No Knock or anything, just an honest question - I love the fact that most people here seem older than the usual video game message board crowd (37 here) and that they are very knowledgeable.

P.S. One last thing: I might have purchased a modded Duo-R (for reliability reasons, basically), but the Turbo Duo is hands on the coolest looking NEC console. It is up there with the Super Famicom/PAL Super Nintendo as the most beautiful console out there... IMO of course.

CrackTiger

Quote from: nosorrow on 09/12/2014, 10:22 PMI notice I didn't post my earlier pickups in the right section (should have gone in the PC Engine tab). Any reason why the site is so fragmented? No Knock or anything, just an honest question - I love the fact that most people here seem older than the usual video game message board crowd (37 here) and that they are very knowledgeable.

P.S. One last thing: I might have purchased a modded Duo-R (for reliability reasons, basically), but the Turbo Duo is hands on the coolest looking NEC console. It is up there with the Super Famicom/PAL Super Nintendo as the most beautiful console out there... IMO of course.
Lucky for you then, that the identical PC Engine Duo is the cheapest Duo system of all. :)
Justin the Not-So-Cheery Black/Hack/CrackTiger helped Joshua Jackass, Andrew/Arkhan Dildovich and the DildoPhiles destroy 2 PC Engine groups: one by Aaron Lambert on Facebook, then the other by Aaron Nanto!!! Him and PCE Aarons don't have a good track record together! Both times he blamed the Aarons and their staff in a "Look-what-you-made-us-do?!" manner, never himself nor his deranged/destructive/doxxing toxic turbo troll gang which he covers up for under the "community" euphemism!

nosorrow

Yes... in hindsight that's probably the version I should have gone after since I don't intend to purchase any US cards.

HoocasLenkels

Here is my haul for the weekend. Picked everything here up as a bundle for 250. Not great, but not too bad either! The bulk of the price came from Soldier Blade and Super Star Soldier though. The owner of the store I get them from is long time friend, so I always get hooked up luckily. Now my problem is that I don't know what to play...  ](*,)
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NecroPhile

Quote from: CrackTiger on 09/13/2014, 01:05 PMLucky for you then, that the identical PC Engine Duo is the cheapest Duo system of all. :)
It's not quite identical.  The all black sexiness of the US Duo is better looking than the purple and teal of the PCE Duo.  :mrgreen:
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mitsuman

Quote from: HoocasLenkels on 09/13/2014, 10:15 PMHere is my haul for the weekend. Picked everything here up as a bundle for 250. Not great, but not too bad either! The bulk of the price came from Soldier Blade and Super Star Soldier though. The owner of the store I get them from is long time friend, so I always get hooked up luckily. Now my problem is that I don't know what to play...  ](*,)
That's only an average of about $20 a game, which isn't too bad.


My TG16 purchases for this month are my entire collection!  :lol:

KGD

I picked up a copy of Lords of Thunder US, but the sad thing is I didn't have a Duo yet...

So I picked up one around these parts to solve the "problem".

Can't wait to get it!

HailingTheThings

Quote from: guest on 09/18/2014, 01:10 AMMan... I grabbed a bazillion titles from willis, as well as a few from amazon and eBay (including an N10 PAC tthat I'm only keeping long enough to fill with pubes and the crabs which infest them).

really looking forward to posting pics. :D
Were you the reason why nearly every single game he had for sale was "Pending?" lol
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mitsuman

Added a turbo tap to my collection. Hooray! Now I need to work on getting 4 more turbo pads and an extension.

neutopia6

I'm pretty excited today, picked up the following, all perfect condition, case and manuals.
North American Super System Card 3.
The Addams Family CD
Fighting Street CD
Final Lap Twin
It Came From The Desert CD
Turbo Golf CD
JB Harold Murder Club CD
JJ and Jeff
King Of Casino
Military Madness
Dungeons And Dragons
Raiden
Shadow Of The Beast CD
TV Sports Hockey
Yo Bro
Y's III CD

HailingTheThings

Quote from: neutopia6 on 09/19/2014, 04:00 AMI'm pretty excited today, picked up the following, all perfect condition, case and manuals.
North American Super System Card 3.
The Addams Family CD
Fighting Street CD
Final Lap Twin
It Came From The Desert CD
Turbo Golf CD
JB Harold Murder Club CD
JJ and Jeff
King Of Casino
Military Madness
Dungeons And Dragons
Raiden
Shadow Of The Beast CD
TV Sports Hockey
Yo Bro
Y's III CD
Did you get butted?
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ifkz

My TG-16 finds for September along with some quick thoughts:
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Darkwing Duck - this particular copy kept coming up very frequently as a BIN auction with prices that kept dropping, but no one ever picked it up.  It finally dropped to a price that compared to recent PCFX for sale thread so I bought it.  The game is a bit average, but it is another late release I am happy to own and play.  It is not as bad as its reputation, certainly above Drop Off, I think.

Super Star Soldier - one of the first threads I started as a single digit new member was an inquiry into why this had gotten to be such an expensive title in just a few years since I was first building my TG-16 collection.  I now know it is expensive because it is very, very good (as good as Soldier Blade) and, well, older games on the whole have just gotten pricey.  Anyhow, as a game it is one of the top domestic releases, right up there with Blazing Lazers.  Great, great, great game.

Spriggan - one of my favorite shump developers is Compile.   I grew up with the SMS Power Strike, as a collector I have found the domestic releases on the NES, SNES, GENESIS, SEGA CD, and the TG-16 (of course).  The ones from Japan on CD are all on my radar, and Spriggan seems to be the most affordable to (re)start my small PCE-CD collection.  I finished the game the first time I played it, and it was a very pleasant romp.  What a game, classic 16-bit Compile here, very reminiscent of M.U.S.H.A. and Robo Aleste from the Sega systems.  I want...more Compile!

Bomberman - I, sadly, indulged in an ebay BIN for this one.  Sometimes it happens, but at least the game is worth the money I spent.  I can't say anything about this that is not known, it is one of the best multi-player party games on the system and a true landmark title.

My finds per month are only going to get smaller as my US TG-16 HuCard list is down to only a handful I think I can find for reasonable prices:  BoxyBoy, Champions Forever Boxing, Yo Bro, Ghost Manor, Jackie Chan's Action Kung Fu and Bomberman '93 (leaving out the other 1993 games Tonma, Chase, & Bonk 3).  At this point I am also out of donor cases, so I'll be starting to cut up old music CD trays to make things work. 

One of my next month's TG-16 finds is in the mail; more exciting stuff soon!
THANKS TO ALL PCEFX members who have helped fix my hardware and add to my games library!  What a thrill!

schweaty

#187
My first US CD-ROM pickups ever.  Very happy with these finds in Germany.  All 3 manuals was a pleasant surprise.  Just need Phase's Ys map pack and I'm all set.

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cr8zykuban0

this month so far, picked up davis cup and forever champions in box for 10 each and did a trade for boxed tv sports basketball and football.

hoping to find a boxed duo r :(

Bklyn4ever


neutopia6

I don't know about butted for all the stuff I got, assuming you mean ripped off, the dude was asking $1,100 for it all, but I talked him down to $600, which I felt very happy about.
I think the dude just scoped out eBay prices and didn't know what he had, the super system card 3, had the TurboGrafx 16 logo on the bottom left, yet it was still priced at $20, so I'm pretty fucking happy to finally have some good luck for this system, finally up to about 50 games.

CrackTiger

Quote from: neutopia6 on 09/19/2014, 03:02 PMI don't know about butted for all the stuff I got, assuming you mean ripped off, the dude was asking $1,100 for it all, but I talked him down to $600, which I felt very happy about.
I think the dude just scoped out eBay prices and didn't know what he had, the super system card 3, had the TurboGrafx 16 logo on the bottom left, yet it was still priced at $20, so I'm pretty fucking happy to finally have some good luck for this system, finally up to about 50 games.
Since that lot is worth around half of what you paid, you're not nearly as fucking happy as the lucky seller.
Justin the Not-So-Cheery Black/Hack/CrackTiger helped Joshua Jackass, Andrew/Arkhan Dildovich and the DildoPhiles destroy 2 PC Engine groups: one by Aaron Lambert on Facebook, then the other by Aaron Nanto!!! Him and PCE Aarons don't have a good track record together! Both times he blamed the Aarons and their staff in a "Look-what-you-made-us-do?!" manner, never himself nor his deranged/destructive/doxxing toxic turbo troll gang which he covers up for under the "community" euphemism!

HailingTheThings

Quote from: neutopia6 on 09/19/2014, 03:02 PMI don't know about butted for all the stuff I got, assuming you mean ripped off, the dude was asking $1,100 for it all, but I talked him down to $600, which I felt very happy about.
I think the dude just scoped out eBay prices and didn't know what he had, the super system card 3, had the TurboGrafx 16 logo on the bottom left, yet it was still priced at $20, so I'm pretty fucking happy to finally have some good luck for this system, finally up to about 50 games.
$600 doesn't sound too too bad, I suppose or something, maybe, idk.
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elderbroom

Mental note .. sell my duplicates to neutopia6, he likes to overpay. $1100 ask meant the seller was nuts. $600 buy means the buyer is nuts ! I thought you might be trolling us, as to get a reaction to paying inflated prices. You must have a ton of money just burning a hole in your pocket. So glad I've been much better at sitting back and waiting for solid deals lately.
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HailingTheThings

Quote from: elderbroom on 09/19/2014, 05:14 PMMental note .. sell my duplicates to neutopia6, he likes to overpay. $1100 ask meant the seller was nuts. $600 buy means the buyer is nuts ! I thought you might be trolling us, as to get a reaction to paying inflated prices. You must have a ton of money just burning a hole in your pocket. So glad I've been much better at sitting back and waiting for solid deals lately.
The price he paid isn't incredibly ridiculous, just not super great either.
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elderbroom

Wouldn't have gotten my attention for a dime over $400.  But that's maybe just me.

Congrats to him for even negotiating with someone who was asking $1100 for that.  I usually just see those, and think "screw that", and don't bother if they are magnitudes off of what I think it's worth.
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My TG-16/PCE Collection : http://www.pcedaisakusen.net/2/34/615/show-collection.htm

neutopia6

Well I heard that the super system 3 NA release was mail order only and prices have been ridiculous lately, so getting it for $20 made me happy.
In this day and age getting 16 games for $600 including pretty good ones like Shadow Of The Beast, Y's III, Raiden seemed cool too, I was happy as fuck with my purchase aha.
A few years ago I could see these prices being laughed at but have you seen the inflated shit going on nowadays as opposed to even several years back, you need to understand prices go up whether we want them to or not, I play the games, love them, and talked him down to nearly half price, I'm still excited about it, just a bummer every time I happily come on the site to share the great games I have people imply I'm a retarded cunt lol.

Medic_wheat

Quote from: neutopia6 on 09/19/2014, 05:33 PMWell I heard that the super system 3 NA release was mail order only and prices have been ridiculous lately, so getting it for $20 made me happy.
In this day and age getting 16 games for $600 including pretty good ones like Shadow Of The Beast, Ys III, Raiden seemed cool too, I was happy as fuck with my purchase aha.
A few years ago I could see these prices being laughed at but have you seen the inflated shit going on nowadays as opposed to even several years back, you need to understand prices go up whether we want them to or not, I play the games, love them, and talked him down to nearly half price, I'm still excited about it, just a bummer every time I happily come on the site to share the great games I have people imply I'm a retarded cunt lol.
Wait you have a cunt?

Now we are talking!!!  *unzips pants.  :twisted:

elderbroom

Don't take it the wrong way.  Glad your main focus is the enjoyment you get from playing this great titles.  But if you post what you picked up .. people would reply with "awesome, great games".  When you ask a question around here about whether you overpaid after the transaction is already done .. you're going to get people on both sides of the fence. I think you overpaid .. you don't.  It came out of your bank account, so I really don't care. And yes, I collect in the same world you do .. and yes people are jacking the prices. But what supports the high prices, is people paying them. Especially retailers, if they don't sell anything .. they will have to re-evaluate their prices. Enjoy your games !
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My TG-16/PCE Collection : http://www.pcedaisakusen.net/2/34/615/show-collection.htm

schweaty

system 3 cards are going for $200?  jesus take the wheel... get a jp system people.  you can damn near get a system for a little more