AES or MVS?

Medic_wheat · 09/17/2014, 08:49 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/17/2014, 08:38 PMDoes the UniBios allow the AES to play MVS carts?

I thinkbthat is covered by the coverter.

ToyMachine78 · 09/17/2014, 08:53 PM

Quote from: Medic_wheat on 09/17/2014, 08:49 PM
Quote from: guest on 09/17/2014, 08:38 PMDoes the UniBios allow the AES to play MVS carts?
I thinkbthat is covered by the coverter.

Yeah I know the converter allows that on any AES, but on the modded AES units with the unibios it wasn't clear to me. The descriptions of the units say you can switch them from home to arcade mode. That's why I'm asking. I thought maybe arcade mode allowed MVS.

EvilEvoIX · 09/17/2014, 09:38 PM

The games on AES or Mvs carts are identical save for the pinout. So placing an Mvs game via converter in a USA AES will simply get AES USA settings. The bios settings allows you to choose Arcade or US/Japanese settings. Some of my games have Spanish or even Portuguese settings as well. The point is that all games, AES or MVS, have all the bios information within the games. The bios simply chooses what to show. This determines blood, bounce, nudity, language, and region. For example a copy of SSII On a USA AES will be in English, green blood, and no fatalities. When you beat someone they just put a kneel down and give up. Put that same cart in a Japanese system, you get blood, bounce, fatalities, and all in Japanese. Get it?

ToyMachine78 · 09/17/2014, 09:42 PM

Got it. Thanks for breaking it down. I'm a complete noob to the neo, so I can learn a lot from you guys.

ToyMachine78 · 09/19/2014, 09:58 AM

Well I took the plunge. I bought an Omega MVS system with the 161 multicart and a copy of Nam 1975.

Walking Is a lot easier now since my wallet is soooo much lighter. Lol

Opethian · 09/19/2014, 10:12 AM

Hah NAM1975 is one of the few games that cheaper on AES than MVS.

ToyMachine78 · 09/19/2014, 10:21 AM

Yeah same with Magician Lord. There's not many copy's of that floating around for MVS

cr8zykuban0 · 09/19/2014, 04:40 PM

I could be wrong but arent many early neo geo titles like ninja combat, riding hero, sengoku cheaper on aes as well than mvs?

ToyMachine78 · 09/19/2014, 06:41 PM

Quote from: cr8zykuban0 on 09/19/2014, 04:40 PMI could be wrong but arent many early neo geo titles like ninja combat, riding hero, sengoku cheaper on aes as well than mvs?

From what I've seen Ninja Combat is fairly cheap.

pulstar · 09/22/2014, 04:31 AM

Sengoku is cheap as well. I think Magician Lord is the exception rather than the rule. The price went mad a few years ago and has stuck that way. I saw people paying £80 for an MVS cart, at the same time the AES cart (boxed, complete, no cracks on the plastic) was going for £35-£40.

cr8zykuban0 · 09/22/2014, 05:27 PM

Quote from: pulstar on 09/22/2014, 04:31 AMSengoku is cheap as well. I think Magician Lord is the exception rather than the rule. The price went mad a few years ago and has stuck that way. I saw people paying £80 for an MVS cart, at the same time the AES cart (boxed, complete, no cracks on the plastic) was going for £35-£40.

true, so im guessing magician lord and nam 1975 mvs are more pricy than aes? some other titles that I think may be more expensive and maybe harder to find on mvs than aes are games like world heroes perfect, sengoku 2 and voltage fighter?

pulstar · 09/24/2014, 04:50 PM

Sengoku 2 is hard to find. Voltage Fighter is uncommon, same as World Heroes Perfect but nowhere near the level of Sengoku 2. Nam-1975 I've found to be pretty cheap on MVS (around £30).

cr8zykuban0 · 09/24/2014, 09:13 PM

Quote from: pulstar on 09/24/2014, 04:50 PMSengoku 2 is hard to find. Voltage Fighter is uncommon, same as World Heroes Perfect but nowhere near the level of Sengoku 2. Nam-1975 I've found to be pretty cheap on MVS (around £30).

tell me about it, I've never see sengoku 2 for mvs anywhere. im hoping to find the aes version for a good price eventually but the cd version will definitely do for now

ToyMachine78 · 09/27/2014, 01:48 PM

So my Omega and A few games finally arrived, and I've really been having a blast with it. Couple of questions to anyone who may have one.

1. How do you add credits to the game? Seems like they all start with 4, but I don't know how to add more.

2. There's a few issues with the 161 cart. Once in a game I can't get it to return to the game select screen. Instructions say to hold player 1 start for 5 secs but it doesn't work. Also some of the latter metalslug games, once the stage 1 starts none of the buttons work.

Any ideas? Is it because in using unibios 3.2? The multicart says its compatible withe the OEM bios.

cr8zykuban0 · 09/27/2014, 02:21 PM

sucks to hear man. do you have your system bios on arcade or aes mode? make sure its on arcade amd press select to add more credits

wish I could help with answering your other questions.

ToyMachine78 · 09/27/2014, 04:49 PM

Quote from: cr8zykuban0 on 09/27/2014, 02:21 PMsucks to hear man. do you have your system bios on arcade or aes mode? make sure its on arcade amd press select to add more credits

wish I could help with answering your other questions.

The bios says console at startup. I assume that's AES. His do you change the setting? This thing came with no instructions lol

ToyMachine78 · 09/27/2014, 06:55 PM

OK well figured out the bios. I set it to arcade which fixed the problems with the games. Still can't figure out how to get the 161 cart to reset though. Oh well

cr8zykuban0 · 09/27/2014, 08:10 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/27/2014, 04:49 PM
Quote from: cr8zykuban0 on 09/27/2014, 02:21 PMsucks to hear man. do you have your system bios on arcade or aes mode? make sure its on arcade amd press select to add more credits

wish I could help with answering your other questions.
The bios says console at startup. I assume that's AES. His do you change the setting? This thing came with no instructions lol

yep, its in aes mode. when you first turn the system, when the neo geo bios screen pops up, press a, b, c and start at the same time which will take you to the main bios menu, the first option will be change region set up, from there it will as you to select region. you can press a for japan b for u.s. or c for euro
Then it'll ask you to choose system mode, you can press a for arcade or b for aes. make sure to press a for arcade for the unlimited credits

cr8zykuban0 · 09/27/2014, 08:11 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/27/2014, 06:55 PMOK well figured out the bios. I set it to arcade which fixed the problems with the games. Still can't figure out how to get the 161 cart to reset though. Oh well

sorry, didn't see this but I heard some 161 in 1 carts had some issues with resetting? but not sure if its true

CrackTiger · 09/28/2014, 05:53 PM

All multi-carts have issues. They're still worth buying to sample games though.

cr8zykuban0 · 09/28/2014, 05:56 PM

very true black tiger and also is a perfect game if you have a 1 slot neo cab or if you just dont have space for the mvs carts

BigusSchmuck · 09/30/2014, 12:00 PM

I'm thinking about getting a consolized MVS as that seems to be the cheapest way to go other than emulation, compilation, etc but at least then I can enjoy some of these games as they were intended. Still a expensive proposition though.

Medic_wheat · 09/30/2014, 12:43 PM

Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 09/30/2014, 12:00 PMI'm thinking about getting a consolized MVS as that seems to be the cheapest way to go other than emulation, compilation, etc but at least then I can enjoy some of these games as they were intended. Still a expensive proposition though.

Initually it is, but over all the saving for the games themselves outweighs the inital cost of the CMVS.

also it's crazy fun....

the games that is..

ToyMachine78 · 09/30/2014, 02:21 PM

Quote from: Medic_wheat on 09/30/2014, 12:43 PM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 09/30/2014, 12:00 PMI'm thinking about getting a consolized MVS as that seems to be the cheapest way to go other than emulation, compilation, etc but at least then I can enjoy some of these games as they were intended. Still a expensive proposition though.
Initually it is, but over all the saving for the games themselves outweighs the inital cost of the CMVS.

also it's crazy fun....

the games that is..

Agreed! I have thoroughly enjoyed mine in the short time I've had it. I am very impressed with the craftsmanship of the Omega. It looks as good as any commercially produced console.

whisper2053 · 09/30/2014, 02:28 PM

Quote from: guest on 09/27/2014, 06:55 PMOK well figured out the bios. I set it to arcade which fixed the problems with the games. Still can't figure out how to get the 161 cart to reset though. Oh well

Send Quan a message about the multicart issue. I'm assuming your Omega is the model w/ the built-in memory unit, as this is a known issue with that model variant. He might have a fix for it by now, so checking with him will be your best bet.

BigusSchmuck · 09/30/2014, 04:58 PM

Curious, what games were on the AES that weren't on the MVS and vice versa?

Medic_wheat · 09/30/2014, 05:53 PM

Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 09/30/2014, 04:58 PMCurious, what games were on the AES that weren't on the MVS and vice versa?

I want to say that some of the MVS (arcade) games where not ported to the AES.

The AES or Neo Geo CD never got any ports that weren't a MVS originally.

Which is why I feel both the AES and Neo Geo CD hold little value due to the high cost for them. Going MVS is best both in the pocket book and you can get a compelte Neo Geo Library.

Now I could be wrong on that whole AES never getting any games that were not MVS originally but I certianly never heard of a game being created just for those system, or being ported for them that were not MVS originally.

Which is why I like to call the AES a arcade in a box.......

Edit and already I am corrected that the neo geo cd did have exclusoves not originally a mvs game. Sweet!

CrackTiger · 09/30/2014, 06:13 PM

Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 09/30/2014, 04:58 PMCurious, what games were on the AES that weren't on the MVS and vice versa?

AES has zero exclusives. MVS has pretty much everything except Samurai Spirits RPG and a few other CD exclusives, but I believe that the other exclusives were made for MVS and just held back to make the Neo Geo CD more attractive. Some (all?) of those other exclusives have been converted by fans to MVS.

There are lists out there that break everything down in easy to read charts, but I can't find any at the moment.

MVS has the most games.

SuperDeadite · 09/30/2014, 08:01 PM

The CD Exclusive -> MVS fan ports often don't have music though, as the CD games only have redbook CD music.

cr8zykuban0 · 09/30/2014, 08:08 PM

mvs is the best!

ToyMachine78 · 09/30/2014, 09:51 PM

Here's a question for you guys. My omega keeps defaulting the region to Europe after a hard restart. I turn it on and its Europe, I change it to USA, and it says it is saved. It will remain as USA, even after soft reboot, until it is powered off again.

Any ideas?

SuperDeadite · 09/30/2014, 10:40 PM

I assume what ever saves the data is dead. Most likely a battery. Since you are calling it an ''Omega'' I'm guessing this is one of those insanely overpriced massproduced CMVS units. You should ask the guy that made it.

Otaking · 10/01/2014, 05:54 AM

Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 09/30/2014, 04:58 PMCurious, what games were on the AES that weren't on the MVS and vice versa?

One of the MVS exclusives I really like is Super Dodge Ball, it's an excellent game.

ToyMachine78 · 10/01/2014, 09:12 AM

Quote from: guest on 09/30/2014, 09:51 PMHere's a question for you guys. My omega keeps defaulting the region to Europe after a hard restart. I turn it on and its Europe, I change it to USA, and it says it is saved. It will remain as USA, even after soft reboot, until it is powered off again.

Any ideas?

Bump

ToyMachine78 · 10/01/2014, 11:05 AM

I got my answers from digging a little on Neo Geo.com. The 161 cart reset does not function when a memory card is in use. You can disable the memory card on the Omega, but it requires opening it up and messing with jumpers and what not.

The region issue could be the memory card as well, it was recommended that you try reformatting it, or it could be the battery.

Since this is a heavily modified CMVS, I hope to hell the battery was replaced during the build. I'm going to try reformatting; if that doesn't work, I'm going to leave the console on for several hours to ensure the battery is charged. If that doesn't work, I guess I'll pop it open to see how the battery looks.

BigusSchmuck · 10/01/2014, 11:37 AM

Quote from: SuperDeadite on 09/30/2014, 10:40 PMI assume what ever saves the data is dead. Most likely a battery. Since you are calling it an ''Omega'' I'm guessing this is one of those insanely overpriced massproduced CMVS units. You should ask the guy that made it.

What are the other cheaper alternatives besides a super gun?

Medic_wheat · 10/01/2014, 12:28 PM

Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 10/01/2014, 11:37 AM
Quote from: SuperDeadite on 09/30/2014, 10:40 PMI assume what ever saves the data is dead. Most likely a battery. Since you are calling it an ''Omega'' I'm guessing this is one of those insanely overpriced massproduced CMVS units. You should ask the guy that made it.
What are the other cheaper alternatives besides a super gun?

None...well Emulation which is free .....

BlueBMW · 10/01/2014, 01:46 PM

I use a Neo Geo 2 slot MVS with one of those Vogatek superguns and a cheap ATX power supply. Works great!

BigusSchmuck · 10/01/2014, 02:22 PM

Quote from: BlueBMW on 10/01/2014, 01:46 PMI use a Neo Geo 2 slot MVS with one of those Vogatek superguns and a cheap ATX power supply. Works great!

Ohh got lots of atx power supplies.

Which Vogatek did you get?

BlueBMW · 10/02/2014, 03:58 AM

I think its the mk5? Just does composite + svideo and has ports for neo geo sticks.

synbiosfan · 10/02/2014, 10:22 AM

Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 10/01/2014, 11:37 AM
Quote from: SuperDeadite on 09/30/2014, 10:40 PMI assume what ever saves the data is dead. Most likely a battery. Since you are calling it an ''Omega'' I'm guessing this is one of those insanely overpriced massproduced CMVS units. You should ask the guy that made it.
What are the other cheaper alternatives besides a super gun?

There are reputable modders who do it cheaper. The Omega isn't a bad choice though, it's not quite as insanely overpriced like the Analogue CMVS.

Medic_wheat · 10/02/2014, 10:56 AM

Quote from: synbiosfan on 10/02/2014, 10:22 AM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 10/01/2014, 11:37 AM
Quote from: SuperDeadite on 09/30/2014, 10:40 PMI assume what ever saves the data is dead. Most likely a battery. Since you are calling it an ''Omega'' I'm guessing this is one of those insanely overpriced massproduced CMVS units. You should ask the guy that made it.
What are the other cheaper alternatives besides a super gun?
There are reputable modders who do it cheaper. The Omega isn't a bad choice though, it's not quite as insanely overpriced like the Analogue CMVS.

The Analouge CMVS is pricey. But man I love it.

Need to pick up some neo geo cd controllers some day.

ToyMachine78 · 10/02/2014, 11:34 AM

Quote from: synbiosfan on 10/02/2014, 10:22 AM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 10/01/2014, 11:37 AM
Quote from: SuperDeadite on 09/30/2014, 10:40 PMI assume what ever saves the data is dead. Most likely a battery. Since you are calling it an ''Omega'' I'm guessing this is one of those insanely overpriced massproduced CMVS units. You should ask the guy that made it.
What are the other cheaper alternatives besides a super gun?
There are reputable modders who do it cheaper. The Omega isn't a bad choice though, it's not quite as insanely overpriced like the Analogue CMVS.

If you want something that is well constructed, and actually looks like a console, the Omega is the best priced unit I found.

Quote from: synbiosfan on 10/02/2014, 10:22 AM
Quote from: BigusSchmuck on 10/01/2014, 11:37 AM
Quote from: SuperDeadite on 09/30/2014, 10:40 PMI assume what ever saves the data is dead. Most likely a battery. Since you are calling it an ''Omega'' I'm guessing this is one of those insanely overpriced massproduced CMVS units. You should ask the guy that made it.
What are the other cheaper alternatives besides a super gun?
There are reputable modders who do it cheaper. The Omega isn't a bad choice though, it's not quite as insanely overpriced like the Analogue CMVS.

If you want something that is well constructed, and actually looks like a console, the Omega is the best priced unit I found.

ToyMachine78 · 10/02/2014, 11:35 AM

Another crapatalk glitch

Opethian · 10/02/2014, 02:48 PM

anyone who supports Analogue CMVS is supporting ebola and terrorism. Don't buy into the hype.

Medic_wheat · 10/02/2014, 03:46 PM

Quote from: Opethian on 10/02/2014, 02:48 PManyone who supports Analogue CMVS is supporting ebola and terrorism. Don't buy into the hype.

Ebola and terrorism?

I LOVE THOSE THINGS!

see now I need to go and pre-order that all metal NES clone system ....

No riped off code and emulators on that thing!

just riped off PPUs and guts from Famicoms .........

Keeping my foot prints green on this planet!

ToyMachine78 · 10/02/2014, 05:54 PM

Quote from: Opethian on 10/02/2014, 02:48 PManyone who supports Analogue CMVS is supporting ebola and terrorism. Don't buy into the hype.

I just think its hilarious that they make a freaking walnut case for the thing! I only trust my console to Old English furniture polish lol

Medic_wheat · 10/02/2014, 07:55 PM

Quote from: guest on 10/02/2014, 05:54 PM
Quote from: Opethian on 10/02/2014, 02:48 PManyone who supports Analogue CMVS is supporting ebola and terrorism. Don't buy into the hype.
I just think its hilarious that they make a freaking walnut case for the thing! I only trust my console to Old English furniture polish lol

Clearly you have yet to experience splinters while gaming.

It's a real treat.........

Wax on. Wax off.....oh yeah that's the stuff

BigusSchmuck · 10/02/2014, 07:58 PM

Quote from: Medic_wheat on 10/02/2014, 07:55 PM
Quote from: guest on 10/02/2014, 05:54 PM
Quote from: Opethian on 10/02/2014, 02:48 PManyone who supports Analogue CMVS is supporting ebola and terrorism. Don't buy into the hype.
I just think its hilarious that they make a freaking walnut case for the thing! I only trust my console to Old English furniture polish lol
Clearly you have yet to experience splinters while gaming.

It's a real treat.........

Wax on. Wax off.....oh yeah that's the stuff

Um, thats very odd. I'm hoping I can get a consolized MVS for a good deal at the Portland Retro Gaming Convention this year..

CrackTiger · 10/02/2014, 08:00 PM

The Analogue CMVS is pretty underpriced. So is the Omega to a lesser extent.

Some people don't understand the concept and ignore all the conveniences and premium features and somehow equate them to a pcb hooked to a pcb with a huge atx power supply and a transcoder with with a power supply and random cables making a combined mess that can be cobbled together for potentially fewer dollars plus more time than the difference in price equals if you divide it by what you'd get paid by the hour for this type of work.

And that's a much more flattering photo of an MVS supergun setup than I could have picked.