A realistic approach - Community driven pressed CDs

[technozombie]

My personal opinion(and yes I know my opinion is meaningless) is that no one should press these CD's if they don't own the original IP. If someone wants to make repro boxes/manuals/cases, I don't see a problem with that as long as they put the files up on the net so that anyone could print/make them. Those who want too print their own, can and those who would rather pay someone to do it, could.

[BigusSchmuck]

When you see something like this:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Dragon-Quest-VI-6-English-SNES-Super-Nintendo-/321657427945?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4ae446d7e9
I can totally understand why any fan translator would be reluctant to have their translation pressed in any way...

[NecroPhile]

This thread is chock full of giggles.  What I've learned:

-  It's okay to buy a half-assed booty for $1, but you're a piece of shit if you pay a whole $2 for a full-assed one in a case.

-  If anyone makes a booty today, they will destroy this forum.  Ignore the fact that the sky didn't fall when Sapphire booties were distributed, when peeps post manual/case/box scans or even sell prints of them, when hacked NES roms are shared, when guys have offered reproduction SNES/Genny carts, or when ripped music is posted.

-  Only noobs have interest in booties.  Every single person that's been around for a couple years or more would rather punch their own mother in the face than buy a booty.... unless it's only a buck.

-  It's wrong to infringe on data IP rights, but it's okay to steal the artwork.

[PCEngineHell]

This thread is chock full of giggles.  What I've learned:

-  It's okay to buy a half-assed booty for $1, but you're a piece of shit if you pay a whole $2 for a full-assed one in a case.

Dont really care for option A or B there.

-  If anyone makes a booty today, they will destroy this forum.  Ignore the fact that the sky didn't fall when Sapphire booties were distributed, when peeps post manual/case/box scans or even sell prints of them, when hacked NES roms are shared, when guys have offered reproduction SNES/Genny carts, or when ripped music is posted.

Fudoh lied to this forum concerning the Sapphire mess, and that shit had consequences that took some time to sort out, both here, in import shops in Japan that had to start checking over stock, on ebay, etc.

As far as anyone else doing it now besides cunt faced Fudoh, as long as they don't publicly associate it with Aaron's forum and website, and I mean this IS Aaron's site and forum, I don't see anything destroyed. Even then if it did happen, it would be more or less a stain on this place, much like it is on other forums. Honestly I don't see Aaron allowing his site to be associated with any of it. If it happened I don't see him letting his forum be used as an open market place for new repros, so I imagine he will come in with the ban hammer.

-  Only noobs have interest in booties.  Every single person that's been around for a couple years or more would rather punch their own mother in the face than buy a booty.... unless it's only a buck.

Wish that was true, but its not. We even had people from here buying cd-r shit from Fudoh at one point......

-  It's wrong to infringe on data IP rights, but it's okay to steal the artwork.

Ehh.... Reprinting doesn't really affect the sales of IP when it is re-released on stuff like Xbox Live Arcade, Virtual Console, PSN, or collection disc released at retail. I don't think anyone is going to be like "Oh I reprinted this insert for R-Type to stick in a blank empty case, so I don't need to buy the game on Virtual Console now.". Most people I would think that are buying inserts actually already own original legal copies of the game. Just loose is all, and they want to make their legit copy of the game presentable on a shelf. Unless said game companies start offering their own reprints again for customers to buy, this is a non-issue.

Outside of maybe a very ambitious SNK Playmore filing subpenas on April Fools, I don't see any company coming after anyone over reprinted inserts being purchased and used for legit copies of their games. They care about the software because it can and does still make them revenue. 20 year old boxes and manuals don't. It's a gray area that just no game company is going to care about because it affects nothing they are doing now or would plan to do with their software in the future, and it would be too difficult to prove it harmed their revenue in court if they no longer offered sales of replacement boxes and manuals through their company, let alone physical copies of the games, since almost everything is a digital re-release anymore.

Also, I cant imagine anyone ordering anything like Sparky's sets just to slap them with cd-rs in an act of promoting bootlegging or selling their bootlegs either. Its not even remotely economically viable to do that anyway.

[ToyMachine78]

Why do you care about permission from one person (the translator) when your are straight up jacking a piece of software that was created (not modified) by a team of 100 people and owned by a corporation that can sue the shit out of you and even maybe send you to prison?

Does this make sense to anyone?

If you're going to jack it, just jack it. Don't talk about it, just do it. That's how bootlegging is done. I don't have a problem with bootlegs, IMO they are essential to virtually any scene, but this isn't how it's done.

As for the subject to be bootlegged, I don't see Drac X making much sense. The PCE original can still be had for a price not much higher than the original retail and there are multiple ports that are progressively cheaper. It also has almost no speech or text of any kind so the patch doesn't put it in the category of "must mass produce".

Amen!

[SignOfZeta]

This thread is chock full of giggles.  What I've learned:

-  It's okay to buy a half-assed booty for $1, but you're a piece of shit if you pay a whole $2 for a full-assed one in a case.

-  If anyone makes a booty today, they will destroy this forum.  Ignore the fact that the sky didn't fall when Sapphire booties were distributed, when peeps post manual/case/box scans or even sell prints of them, when hacked NES roms are shared, when guys have offered reproduction SNES/Genny carts, or when ripped music is posted.

-  Only noobs have interest in booties.  Every single person that's been around for a couple years or more would rather punch their own mother in the face than buy a booty.... unless it's only a buck.

-  It's wrong to infringe on data IP rights, but it's okay to steal the artwork.

Like I said, some people just need rules to function. I'm afraid there is no GUT that unifies human behavior in the realms of morality, legality, practicality, and table manners. People have tried, I don't know if it's ever coming.

The point I was trying to make is that different situations require different behaviors. People don't like it when you swear in church. So, don't swear, or don't go to church, or make your own church where you can swear all you want.

I'll pirate shit all day all night, most likely EVERYONE here has multiple bootlegs, regardless of how many originals they have, including the same people who don't want this project to have a home/presence at PCEFX, but PCEFX is not the place for organizing these things.

Now this certainly puts us way behind the trends seen in other software scenes, where protos and hacks are bootlegged onto non-volatile media left and right and nobody cares at all, but it's a request from people who currently contribute way more than average to this scene so I feel it's more than worth it. When the noobs are bringing more to the table than the vets, and this will happen eventually, then the scene will have changed and we won't be having this conversation.

[esteban]

NOTE: Stop getting lost in the old debates (pirating vs reproductions vs preservation)...

...and acknowledge that we only have a few folks actively (or even semi-actively) working on fan translations/hacks/ports/dubs etc.

I, for one, do not want to demoralize and disrupt our tiny group of creators because of the petty, selfish and short-sighted actions of others.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. FUCK EVERYTHING ELSE.

It really is that simple. You either support the creators, or you are a selfish douchebag.

It really is that simple.

[VestCunt]

The dicks who joined this forum a month ago don't care about the translator because they've only been in the scene since XMas 2014 and they've never created anything of their own anyway so respect for hard work is meaningless. To them, hard work is "eBay self employment" and flipping Wonder Momo for $500 because TURBO RULES DUDE!

Basically sums a lot of this up. Community leeches looking for new ways to turn a nickle into a quarter. We get people coming here all the time to leech off the tech support so they can sell mods on ebay and other forums. Then we have noobs come around here singing up for raffles so they can win shit to flip. Then we have those other noobs that try to suck the sales threads dry so they can complete their Turbografx collection they just started last tuesday, because they have been long time Turbo fans, since sometime last 2014 when they saw it on a youtube video.

Given all of this, the fact that we have noobs on this thread now posting why they think all of this is perfectly fine is no surprise. Basically a bunch of cum buckets with a heightened sense of self-entitlement, with no respect for the TG scene, the community here, the translation/dev scene, or any original IP owners.

Posts like these are why I'm still a member here.

[Greg2600]

NOTE: Stop getting lost in the old debates (pirating vs reproductions vs preservation)...

...and acknowledge that we only have a few folks actively (or even semi-actively) working on fan translations/hacks/ports/dubs etc.

I, for one, do not want to demoralize and disrupt our tiny group of creators because of the petty, selfish and short-sighted actions of others.

THAT'S THE BOTTOM LINE. FUCK EVERYTHING ELSE.

It really is that simple. You either support the creators, or you are a selfish douchebag.

It really is that simple.

I respect that.  If the translators don't want a pressing, I wouldn't go around their wishes.  I wasn't even asking for a translated version, the original version is fine with me (just patched to run on non-modded systems).  My point was that beyond emulation, the only way to play the original disc (without paying $200 for PCE-CD copy) is by burning it to a blank CD-R.  Many people like having this kind of thing in their collection. 

Did you create the game yourself? Is it your IP? Are you going to reimburse the creators of said work if it is not yours, per a legal agreement worked out between you and the original owners of said IP? If your answer is no to all the above, then you already know what the harm in it is. As stated prior, don't publicly involve this forum in that activity. If you plan to do this kind of crap, keep it to yourself and behind the scenes. This forum does not need to be attached to open bootlegging, especially for profit, no matter how low those profits may be.

There's a MASSIVE reproduction community for cart-based systems on retail games that didn't make it to North America.  Again, my point was how is this any different?  Konami says NOTHING about all it's games patched to NTSC and sold as complete repros on NES, Genesis or SNES.  There are folks doing Dreamcast reproduction, albeit usually without pressing the discs with an OEM-looking label.  Shoot, I'd take a North American looking CD insert/manual, and a CD-R with a printed label on it (doesn't even have to be clear).  Konami won't care, the translators aren't involved, etc.   If someone does it, I'll order one.  Then come here, and say my penance and 10 Hail Mary's, etc. and ask for forgiveness....

[PCEngineHell]

Odds are Konami of America simply doesn't know. I know that sounds ridiculous, but if you actually try to drop Konami of America emails you'll find out really quick that the main US email address is actually some global sales one for orders. The only other posted email on their site if I remember right goes to their US office that handles slot machines. I had to deal with this before when inquiring about patches for MGS Revengence for PC. You actually have to go to their live chat and speak with someone directly in order to get contact info for other offices and support.

Also, depending on where the carts are being manufactured, Konami would need a office with a legal team in that part of the world to take action. If the carts were being made and sold in the United States, and someone dropped them a email to the correct office that deals with that kind of stuff for them, and directly linked to the seller's website, I don't think Konami would sit on their hands for very long.

What ever you do with your cash is your business. I could care less. The only issue here for me at this point would be someone trying to publicly link this forum with his bootlegging business. The moment I see some stupid noob entrepreneur thinking he is entitled enough that he can use this forum to promote his budding new illegal business, popping up with some new sales thread stating "$$$$$$$ LIMITED PRESS RUN 500 COPIES BONK 3 SCD and GODZILLA TWO PACK $$$$$$$"...... Well then yeah I am going to seriously rethink my involvement at that point and probably have someone I know order something cheap get their address, and then drop docs on the seller and drop Toho and Konami a email with said info, if nothing else then to just annoy and chase them off the forum.

I don't care if its SFC, MD, PCE or whatever. You start actively bootlegging someone else's software and publicly use this forum as a mouthpiece for your sales and advertising your product, then yeah there will be consequences. I mean after all, you did flat out ignore Nanto's rules at that point, and for me, that means you get to become a target of teh lulz. If you're a self-entitled noob prick around here thinking he should be able to do what he wants, you have been warned.

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=350.msg1001#msg1001

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Those rules are in place for a reason. You wanna ignore them, fine, roll that dice, see what happens.

[CrackTiger]

Here's another one for tbone:

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[PCEngineHell]

Here's another one for tbone:

Language
Sexual, racial, or ethnic slurs will not be tolerated in any form and are bannable on the first offense.  We also recommend that cursing be held to a minimum, as it does not promote civil conversation.  Foul language in the form of insults directed towards other forum members may result in a ban.
> Example violations (including, but not limited to): Referring Japanese people as "Japs".  If you want to talk about the Japanese, then spell it out completely.

Thankfully I keep my cursing down to a minimum. This way Nanto wont have to worry about Capcom or Konami dragging his site into a lawsuit over our foul language. God forbid Capcom comes in here claiming copyright/trademark over phrases like dick licker, cunt muncher, or ass to mouth. Boy if they did we'd be in some real trouble if that happened.