Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?

[Gentlegamer]

On the price front, I've seen several auctions for TG-16 games end for reasonable prices compared to the insane BINs commonly seen, not to mention the fair deals being offered in the sales forum. That confirms what I have suspected about TG-16 and other game markets: the resellers exploiting ebay for inflated BIN don't represent the actual market, even if some impatient "instant collectors" occasionally pay the price.

[VestCunt]

That confirms what I have suspected about TG-16 and other game markets: the resellers exploiting ebay for inflated BIN don't represent the actual market, even if some impatient "instant collectors" occasionally pay the price.

I assumed this was common knowledge.  BIN's have always been 30% to 1000% higher than closing auctions. Meanwhile, a game's real value is even lower than the auction average. Usually equal to the lowest ending ebay auctions in the last twelve months.

[geise]

Yet people / mom&pop game stores still use ebay bins not auctions as a price guide.

[Medic_wheat]

Yet people / mom&pop game stores still use ebay bins not auctions as a price guide.

That does any me...

There is two retro game shops I use and only one local ish reseller as they actually price competitively to what ever the trending prices are on the Internet.  They also do bundle deals at times...  Nothing to crazy as I always find systems cheaper on the inter net then reseller prices oddly but enough to make me more willing to support them over the internet.

[Alt-Nintega]

So while I really want the price crash to happen so I can go and buy anything I want, at the same time maybe a price crash can be very bad for the collecting community. It can make things so cheap and easy, it will dissolve the collectors base and no one will care or give a fuck.

Good.  Fuck the "collecting community".

+1

[Mathius]

Yet people / mom&pop game stores still use ebay bins not auctions as a price guide.

This annoys me to no end. Two years ago I was in a game store with a boxed US Soldier Blade for $400. I can only imagine what price it's currently marked at if no one was dumb enough to pay it since.

[HailingTheThings]

Turbo gaming kicked ass long before the collecting community came along.

Damn right it did. Tell 'em Steve Dave!

Fixed.

Yet people / mom&pop game stores still use ebay bins not auctions as a price guide.

I've gotten into arguments with store owners and employees before, also my favorite thing to do is storming out like a rhino.

[esadajr]

I was thinking the other day. If a price crash happens and all the systems and games start to cost cheaper than socks it will not be challenging and fun to collect anything.

...a price crash can be very bad for the collecting community. It can make things so cheap and easy, it will dissolve the collectors base and no one will care or give a fuck.

great! where do I sign?

[VenomMacbeth]

I was thinking the other day. If a price crash happens and all the systems and games start to cost cheaper than socks it will not be challenging and fun to collect anything.

...a price crash can be very bad for the collecting community. It can make things so cheap and easy, it will dissolve the collectors base and no one will care or give a fuck.

great! where do I sign?

I disagree.  Most Atari 2600 games are cheaper than chips & I still enjoy collecting them. The NES used to be the same way...used to...

[Psycho Punch]

And then VGA

[Mathius]

And then VGA

What I have noticed is people say mostly negative things about VGA across the board. They know it's a crock. I don't see it hanging around for much longer.

[geise]

There will always be idiots so sadly there will always be VGA.

[HailingTheThings]

There will always be idiots so sadly there will always be VGA.

There is no hope, but I hope not.

[toktogul]

I once shopped at that local store in Canada. most of their stock doesnt have a price tag on it. I bring the games and ask for the prices. He said : what do you offer. I had no clue what stanley cup for snes or r type 3d cost, so i said that i had no clue.

He then proceed to tell me that its 15$ for stanley cup and 40$ for r type. I didnt think it was a good deal. He turns around and shows me an ebay page. He scrolls, i can see cib BIN copies for 20$ for r type, and 5$ for stanley cup(including shipping). he turns back to me and says 12$ for stanley cup and 30$ for r type.

I was in awe. i told him that i just saw that i could buy those games for cheaper online, why would i pay 10$ extra? We started to argue and then at the end I decided to only buy one game that had a tag, raiden iv, and he proceeds to say that he doesnt want to sell it to me if I only take this game, that he needs to make profit to keep the store open (its the only retro store in town, its been open for more than 20years... bullshit)

Anyway, i turned the deal away, bought my copies back in Japan for 5$ (rtype) and 20$ for raiden iv:


seriously, wtf is wrong with retro stores, they are worse than ebay. no wonder they get less business than us. If they sold same price than ebay, i wouldnt mind since they are local, but asking for over ebay price, you lost me.

[Alt-Nintega]

retro stores will all soon die out because they can't make rent. Selling retro games does not pay rent. At least in NYC it don't.

Retro stores, please just close down, u know u will always be poor. Thanks that u tried and all that other jazz. You failed.

[HailingTheThings]

retro stores will all soon die out because they can't make rent. Selling retro games does not pay rent. At least in NYC it don't.

Retro stores, please just close down, u know u will always be poor. Thanks that u tried and all that other jazz. You failed.

Seriously? You want retro stores to fail? They're not all bad.

[BigusSchmuck]

retro stores will all soon die out because they can't make rent. Selling retro games does not pay rent. At least in NYC it don't.

Retro stores, please just close down, u know u will always be poor. Thanks that u tried and all that other jazz. You failed.

Seriously? You want retro stores to fail? They're not all bad.

Just like good and bad ebay sellers there are good and bad retro stores. And just like ebay (or anywhere else for that matter) you can get some good deals there.

[Alt-Nintega]

seemed like this thread was bashing retro games stores so my post was intended to go with the flow of the thread. 

[toktogul]

I like retro stores, but if they use ebay prices and add a few dollars to make profits, they are doing things wrong. Back in the days, when ebay or the internet wasn't that predominant, they could get away with this kind of practice. But nowadays, collectors have soo many options to buy games that if the retro sellers do not adapt, they will fall quickly.

I prefer going physically in store to check games around and buy it right away. the feeling that you might find a gem for cheap is great, but usually in Canada, in retro stores, i dont even feel like going to the stores, i might as well just sit down for a few minutes and check the options online, its cheaper and I dont have to drive to those remote place.


Also i dislike the attitude that most owner of those shops give me. They give me that "i'm superior to you" attitude all the time when I ask questions about games and pricing... I don't know if i'm being unlucky, or its maybe a french canadian thing, but this also doesnt make me want to encourage them to stay in business.

[HailingTheThings]

seemed like this thread was bashing retro games stores so my post was intended to go with the flow of the thread. 

Speak for yourself, question authority.

[jeffhlewis]

I have no issue paying eBay fair price at a retro store - supporting small biz, added bonus of being able to see/touch what I'm buying, etc. The trick is - you shouldn't buy anything rare (or even uncommon) at those stores. They're great places to stock up on good cheap stuff.

People Play Games in Chicago and Video Games New York both have tons of good cheap stuff if you look. I just stay away from what's under the glass at the counter (Monster World IV for $180? Nah)

[elderbroom]

It's as if they don't realize everyone has a smart phone in their pocket. So if they claim they use eBay to set their prices .. then if I pull out my phone and show you the last 10 eBay sales of that item, in similar condition sold for half of what you are asking .. I'd hope you will negotiate with me. Seems alot of stores I've been in lately aren't willing to take a realistic look at what something is actually selling for, trading for.  Today I walked into a very nice shop .. but they had Dragon Spirit cic for $85 and the guy was trying to convince me it's the going rate. I didn't try to negotiate as we were already too far apart. I live in Toronto, and prices here are way too high. I am taking a couple day trip to NY state and have acouple shops mapped out in my trip.  When I visited them last year, I came back with a huge haul, and for a fair price. That is all I am in search for .. fair pricing. I want the retro store to make money, and be able to stay open .. but not to be gouging, and looking for uneducated customers.  A good store values educated customers, and educated those that are new to the hobby. At least that is how I feel it should happen.  Just my 2 cents.

[Medic_wheat]

And then VGA

What I have noticed is people say mostly negative things about VGA across the board. They know it's a crock. I don't see it hanging around for much longer.

I thought the same of CGC and comics.......but maybe I am comparing apples and oranges

[Medic_wheat]

I have no issue paying eBay fair price at a retro store - supporting small biz, added bonus of being able to see/touch what I'm buying, etc. The trick is - you shouldn't buy anything rare (or even uncommon) at those stores. They're great places to stock up on good cheap stuff.

People Play Games in Chicago and Video Games New York both have tons of good cheap stuff if you look. I just stay away from what's under the glass at the counter (Monster World IV for $180? Nah)

Same rule I try and have...they want inflated u realistic prices for anything rare or uncommon...which makes buying at a retro store pointless.

[Otaking]

Was just watching this Pat the NES Punk video discussing "Is the Retro Game Bubble Bursting?".
Is the Retro Game Bubble Bursting? - #CUPodcast

[geise]

To find an answer to this question I definitely go to youtube to seek this answer out.   

[cr8zykuban0]

its just one of those things we wish would happen but wont due to the popularity and attention that retro gaming has gotten. even thrift stores are taking notice and pricing their gamws much higher or just putting them up online.  so sad

[technozombie]

At Retropalooza yesterday I overheard several vendors talking about how right after the doors opened, people were coming up paying big money for Flintstones, Little Samson, and others right off the bat. Not really sure what that says about the market overall, but there is still demand.

[madboom0522]

Yeah the market is dropping alright look at what somebody just paid for a Hero tonma box in horrible condition on e-bay today....     http://www.ebay.com/itm/271606680611?_trksid=p2060778.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&autorefresh=true

Out of their mind......

[cr8zykuban0]

At Retropalooza yesterday I overheard several vendors talking about how right after the doors opened, people were coming up paying big money for Flintstones, Little Samson, and others right off the bat. Not really sure what that says about the market overall, but there is still demand.

maybe because people know its rare and worth big bucks? or those may be the last few games they need to conplete their officiallly released nes collection

[Otaking]

So a year and half later are we any closer to a big crash? or are prices going to continue to rise?

[BigusSchmuck]

So a year and half later are we any closer to a big crash? or are prices going to continue to rise?

Only when the flood gates of repros come out and are so hard to distinguish them and the real thing.

[sirhcman]

So a year and half later are we any closer to a big crash? or are prices going to continue to rise?

Only when the flood gates of repros come out and are so hard to distinguish them and the real thing.

didn't that already happen with neo geo? i don't see those games getting any cheaper

[T2KFreeker]

I wish the whole retro buying market would crash. maybe then I could snag me some more games and actually be able to play them and have a good time. Every time I see ebay prices anymore it makes me ill. I want to throw up... So, do i think there will be a crash? one day, yes. Can it happen soon enough at this point? Nope. Tomorrow would be nice.

[TR0N]

I wish the whole retro buying market would crash. maybe then I could snag me some more games and actually be able to play them and have a good time. Every time I see ebay prices anymore it makes me ill. I want to throw up... So, do i think there will be a crash? one day, yes. Can it happen soon enough at this point? Nope. Tomorrow would be nice.

Retro gaming in general needs to level out with the prices.Still i don't see that happening any time soon,there's to much demand these days.I hate it as well that it has become a trendy thing to collect old video games.

[jelloslug]

Honestly I think it will be decades before there is a "leveling out"

[Alt-Nintega]

Price crash for retro games and systems will happen when they start to actually make good new games and new systems. Retro gaming is popular because everything new pretty much sucks.

[CrackTiger]

Price crash for retro games and systems will happen when they start to actually make good new games and new systems. Retro gaming is popular because everything new pretty much sucks.

Since most people never play the games they buy and flip, the quality of games from any time period has nothing to do with it. Just like other stupid fads like Beanie Babies, people are doing it for the thrill of flipping investments and making money off of each other. The adults who made up the high rolling Beanie Baby market weren't playing with their toys/investments and the market didn't crash because someone 'happened to start to actually make good new' Beanie Babies and Beanie Babie shelves.

[turboswimbz]

Price crash for retro games and systems will happen when they start to actually make good new games and new systems. Retro gaming is popular because everything new pretty much sucks.

Since most people never play the games they buy and flip, the quality of games from any time period has nothing to do with it. Just like other stupid fads like Beanie Babies, people are doing it for the thrill of flipping investments and making money off of each other. The adults who made up the high rolling Beanie Baby market weren't playing with their toys/investments and the market didn't crash because someone 'happened to start to actually make good new' Beanie Babies and Beanie Babie shelves.

Good point.  but it makes me winder if people have bought those shelves for thier video game collections now.   or converted. 

[esadajr]

Price crash for retro games and systems will happen when they start to actually make good new games and new systems. Retro gaming is popular because everything new pretty much sucks.

couldnt agree more. "New" games suck.

[o.pwuaioc]

removed

[esadajr]

An additional dust particle here, a extra shadow there. I pass.

[BlueBMW]

To its credit... Wii U has some fun stuff

[NecroPhile]

Price crash for retro games and systems will happen when they start to actually make good new games and new systems. Retro gaming is popular because everything new pretty much sucks.

New games suck so hard it's only an $80 billion market. 

[o.pwuaioc]

Price crash for retro games and systems will happen when they start to actually make good new games and new systems. Retro gaming is popular because everything new pretty much sucks.

New games suck so hard it's only an $80 billion market. 

And Justin Bieber sold tens of millions of records. Just because it's popular doesn't make it good.

[xcrement5x]

To its credit... Wii U has some fun stuff

Very true, DK Tropical Freeze is really the only current gen thing I am playing and it is a blast. 

[Otaking]

I don't really like modern games, but I have liked some stuff on iPad and DS/3DS.

[NecroPhile]

And Justin Bieber sold tens of millions of records. Just because it's popular doesn't make it good.

To those millions of fans, it most certainly is good.  Whether or not you personally agree isn't relevant.

His argument was that people are buying old games solely because they have no other option (everything new sucks), which is obviously untrue for the vast majority of retro gamers that are buying and playing new stuff as well as old; the reality is that retro games are popular for a variety of reasons (nostalgia, hipsters, etc.) that have nothing to do with the quality of new games.  For the sake of argument, let's say the Retro VGS takes off and there's dozens and dozens of top notch retro style games made for it every year.  Do you honestly think the price of old games will tank because there's finally something worth playing?

[Alt-Nintega]

Do you honestly think the price of old games will tank because there's finally something worth playing?

yes

[GreatBlue Swirlof99]

Do you honestly think the price of old games will tank because there's finally something worth playing?

yes

Yes, one of my friends bought a Genesis only because and I quote "all the new games are just sad, I mean look at SNES and Genesis they had true talented developers making games now we EA making loads of shitty games and a FPS craze which I don't like !Only if I lived in the 70/80/90's!"