Few supergrafx Q's

[MNKyDeth]

I know there was not many games made for this system but I cannot seem to find a full list of what games where released specifically for it.

Also, What cd-rom attachment fits the SuperGrafx if it has one?

If it does have an attachment do you need an Arcade card Duo or Pro to play Arcade games on it?

RGB and region mods work on this console the same as any other of the Duo's or Turbo machines?

[tbone3969]

The super CD 2 attachment works with it.  You can play all CD games without any cards except Arcade games.  You would need the Arcade card to play the roughly 10 arcade games made.  Most of the best CD games don't use the Arcade card anyway.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/PCEngine_SuperGrafx_with_SuperCDRom2.jpg

[SuperDeadite]

As for actual SuperGrafx games, there are only 5.

Battle Ace
Granzort
1941
Aldynes
Daimakaimura

There are also 2 HuCard+ (bi-compatible) games.
Darius Plus
Darius Alpha
(When played on a SuperGrafx, they use the extra background layer to decrease sprite flicker)

[tbone3969]

As for actual SuperGrafx games, there are only 5.

Battle Ace
Granzort
1941
Aldynes
Daimakaimura

There are also 2 HuCard+ (bi-compatible) games.
Darius Plus
Darius Alpha
(When played on a SuperGrafx, they use the extra background layer to decrease sprite flicker)

Sweet looking sub collection.  Always wanted 1941 Counter Attack.

[MNKyDeth]

Ok that has to be one of the fuggliest looking consoles + cd-rom I have seen.

Does it need the Arcade card Duo or Pro?

I just got my Arcade card Duo in the mail today so I am stoked to try it out with some ripped games before or if I even go after some originals.

I wonder if the mobo of the Supergrafx will fit in a PC Engine Duo case with some modding. lol I love the original Duo's looks.

[wildfruit]

I would suggest that a sgx with scd needs arcade card duo whilst connecting it to a briefcase would require the arcade card pro.

[tbone3969]

I would suggest that a sgx with scd needs arcade card duo whilst connecting it to a briefcase would require the arcade card pro.

Totally forgot that it can be hooked up to briefcase CD.  That must be a funky looking set up.

[elmer]

Ok that has to be one of the fuggliest looking consoles + cd-rom I have seen.

Just think of it as a "conversation starter". 

Does it need the Arcade card Duo or Pro?

Arcade Card Duo if you're using a SuperCDROM, Arcade Card Pro if you're using an RAU-30 to connect it up to an IFU (briefcase).

I wonder if the mobo of the Supergrafx will fit in a PC Engine Duo case with some modding. lol I love the original Duo's looks.

Apart from the terrible crime of destroying a Duo ... you do realize that the CD wouldn't work, don't you?   

[MNKyDeth]

It was kind of a joke I know it wouldn't fit in a Duo case. But it sure would be interesting to find a plastic mold company that does specialty items for people and make a custom case for the SuperGrafX + cd-rom and lay them out in a clean fashion.

I don't have those resources but I can dream can't I?

[tbone3969]

It was kind of a joke I know it wouldn't fit in a Duo case. But it sure would be interesting to find a plastic mold company that does specialty items for people and make a custom case for the SuperGrafX + cd-rom and lay them out in a clean fashion.

I don't have those resources but I can dream can't I?

I don't know what your talking about but I think the SuperGrafx SCD-2 attachment looks sweet.

[tbone3969]

It was kind of a joke I know it wouldn't fit in a Duo case. But it sure would be interesting to find a plastic mold company that does specialty items for people and make a custom case for the SuperGrafX + cd-rom and lay them out in a clean fashion.

I don't have those resources but I can dream can't I?

I don't know what your talking about but I think the SuperGrafx & SCD-2 attachment looks sweet.

So sorry about the double post.  It was not intentional.  I don't know what happened?

[NecroPhile]

Wait an hour, quote yourself, and add nothing to the conversation.

Moron, thy name is tbone3969.

[NightWolve]

[tbone3969]

It was unintentional.

Admit it you guys love to break my balls.

Isn't it fun?

I finally unloaded that sealed Dragon Slayer for $185 on NA.  Anyone have a CIB (with the map) copy for sale?

[NightWolve]

t to the bone, brutha!

[tbone3969]

t to the bone, brutha!

What up NightWolve?  I read your facebook link.  That's some messed up shit that happened to you.  I do own some XSEED games but I will now think twice before I buy another one.

[NightWolve]

I finally unloaded that sealed Dragon Slayer for $185 on NA.  Anyone have a CIB (with the map) copy for sale?

Ah, so you finally got the big score you were looking for with that copy, huh ? 

I read your facebook link.  That's some messed up shit that happened to you.  I do own some XSEED games but I will now think twice before I buy another one.

Yeah, just download their shit if you need an Ys fix, they don't deserve your money. Take the same position that Thomas Lipschultz had before he was hired by the company and was sharing Falcom ISOs to his friends to spread Ys love. ;) If pirating was good for him before being an XSEED Games employee, then it's STILL good for anyone and everyone else! Heh.

They actually did technically violate my automatic IP Rights on unique software as I would've been a fool to verbally or in writing consent to commercial use to Jeff Nussbaum (the other fan translator I mainly worked with and co-conspirator) - the simple fact is he just silently did what he wanted, all the stuff I ever gave him was on his computer, and they all got away with it to date! It's fine to hate me, have personal bigoted grudges, animus, etc. but that doesn't mean you get to cheat people because of it!

Somebody actually said to me something along the lines of, hey, what about respecting their work hours ?? Which was amazing in that person's ignorance! That's the whole point of staging a boycott, I spent thousands of work hours over several years and at great personal and irresponsible costs to myself, and they don't give the slightest jack shit about it! Lipschultz' position is basically "Too bad sucka, you were just a text delivery boy, you delivered text from point A to B. And as for your software, who cares, that's just like Microsoft Word, and we'd never have to pay let alone credit Microsoft for their shit getting used for commercial purposes!" I'm creatively paraphrasing what he said to me and to the public, but that's a damn accurate assessment of his positions!

But alas, copyright law is only as good as a lawyer to prosecute for you, so unless I try to do something, everything stands as is. And of course, I took the rogue approach for free in some things that I did as payback already, so that would work against me assuming I finally committed to trying!

[SignOfZeta]

This question comes up every once in a while, so does my response. The short answer is that it doesn't matter what CD-ROM shit works with the SGX since even people who have all that shit rarely hook it up because it's fucking gigantic and there are no SGX CDROM2s. 

If you are buying it for the five so-so SGX games, there you go. If you need to play the other 1000 or so PCE games (dozens of which are better than any SGX title), just get a Duo and use that. It won't take up your entire living room floor.

[crazydean]

Game Sack did a review of 4 of the games if you're interested in a review.

[TurboXray]

The SuperGrafx is a sexy beast of a machine. The PC-Engine is sexy too, just in a different way. Duo's... not a whole lot of sexual appeal, just slick looking.

[BigusSchmuck]

A guy can wish for a Super Duo can't he? And make the ultimate Supergrafx Arcade card game eva!

[Mathius]

The SuperGrafx is a sexy beast of a machine. The PC-Engine is sexy too, just in a different way. Duo's... not a whole lot of sexual appeal, just slick looking.

This pretty well wraps it up. Throw a purple LED into a Duo-R(X) for a real eye popper.

[CrackTiger]

Game Sack did a review of 4 of the games if you're interested in a review.

Did they really only cover 4 of the 5 dedicated games?

[MNKyDeth]

Game Sack did a review of 4 of the games if you're interested in a review.

Thanks for that, checking it out.

[Mathius]

Game Sack did a review of 4 of the games if you're interested in a review.

Did they really only cover 4 of the 5 dedicated games?

I loaned the show the games and system but didn't own Battle Ace at the time. Still don't.

[elmer]

I loaned the show the games and system but didn't own Battle Ace at the time. Still don't.

I have a spare loose one.

Not sure if it's worth raffling or whether its reputation is so bad that I should just pay you to take it (if you'd even be interested)! 

[Mathius]

I loaned the show the games and system but didn't own Battle Ace at the time. Still don't.

I have a spare loose one.

Not sure if it's worth raffling or whether its reputation is so bad that I should just pay you to take it (if you'd even be interested)! 

If you don't want it I'll give it a loving home.

[MNKyDeth]

Well, the Ghouls and Ghosts seems like a worthy game for the SuperGrafx. It would most likely be my #1 if I had an opportunity to get one.

The Atari Jaguar segment was interesting to me as well. As I had two Jaguars and one with the Cd-rom attachment. I also had the link cable.

The best games on the Jaguar imo are,

Doom + Link cable for two player multiplayer Doom - Best doom at the time on a console, before the Starun or PS1 came out. I never played Doom on the 32x so .... Not sure how they compared but since the Jaguar had two player with a link cable that was pretty amazing back in the day for me at least.
Cannon Fodder - Really fun
Rayman - amazing platformer
Also.... Club drive was a lot of fun playing tag with two people. It takes some getting used to but multiplayer was fun.
Attack of the Killer Mutant Penguins was also pretty good as you got to beat down penguins with a bat or frying pan.

I never got any good Jaguar CD games as I could never find Baldies, but I am sure that would have been the best one. I had Highlander and some other game with a 13 in it. There were a couple others too but none were all that good.

I sold all my Jaguar stuff like 50 some games and both consoles + link cable + cd-rom just so I could get an N64 when it came out. Doom 64 was supposed to have 8 player multiplayer with two tv's then it was reduced to 4 on one. Then when it finally came out... it was single player and I was pissed as I sold all my Jaguar stuff just for multiplayer Doom on the N64. I bought the N64 on release with all my Jaguar stuff with several games. And patiently waited for Doom 64 drooling at every news release. I was soooo angry when Doom 64 was finally released, but I still bought it because I needed it.

[tbone3969]

Well, the Ghouls and Ghosts seems like a worthy game for the SuperGrafx. It would most likely be my #1 if I had an opportunity to get one.

The Atari Jaguar segment was interesting to me as well. As I had two Jaguars and one with the Cd-rom attachment. I also had the link cable.

The best games on the Jaguar imo are,

Doom + Link cable for two player multiplayer Doom - Best doom at the time on a console, before the Starun or PS1 came out. I never played Doom on the 32x so .... Not sure how they compared but since the Jaguar had two player with a link cable that was pretty amazing back in the day for me at least.
Cannon Fodder - Really fun
Rayman - amazing platformer
Also.... Club drive was a lot of fun playing tag with two people. It takes some getting used to but multiplayer was fun.
Attack of the Killer Mutant Penguins was also pretty good as you got to beat down penguins with a bat or frying pan.

I never got any good Jaguar CD games as I could never find Baldies, but I am sure that would have been the best one. I had Highlander and some other game with a 13 in it. There were a couple others too but none were all that good.

I sold all my Jaguar stuff like 50 some games and both consoles + link cable + cd-rom just so I could get an N64 when it came out. Doom 64 was supposed to have 8 player multiplayer with two tv's then it was reduced to 4 on one. Then when it finally came out... it was single player and I was pissed as I sold all my Jaguar stuff just for multiplayer Doom on the N64. I bought the N64 on release with all my Jaguar stuff with several games. And patiently waited for Doom 64 drooling at every news release. I was soooo angry when Doom 64 was finally released, but I still bought it because I needed it.

God dam N64 and it's empty promises.  I am still waiting for the arcade perfect "Ultra 64" port of Killer Instinct.

[Mathius]

Well, the Ghouls and Ghosts seems like a worthy game for the SuperGrafx. It would most likely be my #1 if I had an opportunity to get one.

The Atari Jaguar segment was interesting to me as well. As I had two Jaguars and one with the Cd-rom attachment. I also had the link cable.

The best games on the Jaguar imo are,

Doom + Link cable for two player multiplayer Doom - Best doom at the time on a console, before the Starun or PS1 came out. I never played Doom on the 32x so .... Not sure how they compared but since the Jaguar had two player with a link cable that was pretty amazing back in the day for me at least.
Cannon Fodder - Really fun
Rayman - amazing platformer
Also.... Club drive was a lot of fun playing tag with two people. It takes some getting used to but multiplayer was fun.
Attack of the Killer Mutant Penguins was also pretty good as you got to beat down penguins with a bat or frying pan.

I never got any good Jaguar CD games as I could never find Baldies, but I am sure that would have been the best one. I had Highlander and some other game with a 13 in it. There were a couple others too but none were all that good.

I sold all my Jaguar stuff like 50 some games and both consoles + link cable + cd-rom just so I could get an N64 when it came out. Doom 64 was supposed to have 8 player multiplayer with two tv's then it was reduced to 4 on one. Then when it finally came out... it was single player and I was pissed as I sold all my Jaguar stuff just for multiplayer Doom on the N64. I bought the N64 on release with all my Jaguar stuff with several games. And patiently waited for Doom 64 drooling at every news release. I was soooo angry when Doom 64 was finally released, but I still bought it because I needed it.

That was my Jag as well. I loved how they used stop motion animation to show the innards of both consoles.

[elmer]

I loaned the show the games and system but didn't own Battle Ace at the time. Still don't.

I have a spare loose one.

Not sure if it's worth raffling or whether its reputation is so bad that I should just pay you to take it (if you'd even be interested)! 

If you don't want it I'll give it a loving home.

OK, we have a winner of the great SuperGrafx Battle Ace "raffle" ... PM Sent!

[SamIAm]

Here's a little blast from the past that Supergrafx fans old and new will enjoy:

Don't cry, Supergrafx

[elmer]

Here's a little blast from the past that Supergrafx fans old and new will enjoy:

Thank you, thank you, thank you! 

People seem to get hung up on the market failure of the SuperGrafx and not consider what it could have given us if NEC hadn't f**ked things up so badly. 

That Battle Ace title tune just made me grin ear-to-ear.

If only we'd been able to see what the SuperGrafx hardware could do when matched-up with CD-ROM technology. 

[Mathius]

I loaned the show the games and system but didn't own Battle Ace at the time. Still don't.

I have a spare loose one.

Not sure if it's worth raffling or whether its reputation is so bad that I should just pay you to take it (if you'd even be interested)! 

If you don't want it I'll give it a loving home.

OK, we have a winner of the great SuperGrafx Battle Ace "raffle" ... PM Sent!

Very awesome of you! There's no community in the world like this one.

[SamIAm]

Thank you, thank you, thank you! 

People seem to get hung up on the market failure of the SuperGrafx and not consider what it could have given us if NEC hadn't f**ked things up so badly. 

That Battle Ace title tune just made me grin ear-to-ear.

If only we'd been able to see what the SuperGrafx hardware could do when matched-up with CD-ROM technology. 

I had a feeling you'd like it. ;)

I wonder, though...are there really no CD games that even detect the Supergrafx? Though I fear that that is indeed the case, I also can't help but imagine that someone might have put some little easter egg somewhere.

[NightWolve]

If only we'd been able to see what the SuperGrafx hardware could do when matched-up with CD-ROM technology. 

Yeah, it's too bad they didn't start with the SuperGrafx design when they entered the market. If it's pretty much the same hardware as a PC Engine but with an extra sprite and background layer, I would've loved it if they began with that from the start. That would've kept the system more competitive between the 8 to 16-bit transitions from NES to SNES, Sega Genesis, etc.; just would've had a better overall run for a little more cost and we would've had much better eye candy in games.

[MNKyDeth]

Ok, so I just got myself a SuperGrafx.

I opened it up as I wanted to replace the controller port as it is severely worn out. I noticed a little switch over in the back corner next to the A/V output. What does this switch do?

Also, what is the port on the front of the machine next to the controller port for?

Are there any failing points on this system I should be aware of? Bad caps etc?

It looks very clean and simple compared to any of the Duo's...

I plan to RGB mod it and region mod it. Are there any issues on this console I should be aware of? I assume I do the RGB mod on the 6260A just as I would like on the 6260's on the Duo's?

I know it is a lot of questions but I have decided to store my US Duo and just get the most powerfull PC Engine setup I can, and that means a SuperGrafx with a Cd-Rom 2 add-on and Arcade card Duo. This will be my daily machine from now on.

TIA

[TurboXray]

Ahh, the infamous switch..

[elmer]

Ahh, the infamous switch..

Hahaha ... you're just going to leave it at that? What a tease! 

[CrackTiger]

That switch turns on the Turbo Processing™, making it push twice as many tile layers and sprites as a vanilla PC Engine.

[NecroPhile]

Is the switch the one for PCE compatibility mode? 

I assume the front connector is for the unreleased PowerConsole.

[ccovell]

If you have Space Harrier, put it in and try the switch in the back.  You'll notice that SH (IIRC) is one of the games that will not work in normal SuperGrafx mode, only in PCE-compatible mode.

[elmer]

If you have Space Harrier, put it in and try the switch in the back.  You'll notice that SH (IIRC) is one of the games that will not work in normal SuperGrafx mode, only in PCE-compatible mode.

Thanks! 

I didn't know that there were actually any games that didn't work ... I thought that it was put in "just-in-case". I love learning new stuff!

Is there a list of troublesome games anywhere?

[poponon]

Well, the Ghouls and Ghosts seems like a worthy game for the SuperGrafx. It would most likely be my #1 if I had an opportunity to get one.

The thing with that though is the saturn has an arcade perfect port of the game.   I just want to try 1941, looks like one of the better 2 player games when looking at the whole pce library

[CrackTiger]

Well, the Ghouls and Ghosts seems like a worthy game for the SuperGrafx. It would most likely be my #1 if I had an opportunity to get one.

The thing with that though is the saturn has an arcade perfect port of the game.   I just want to try 1941, looks like one of the better 2 player games when looking at the whole pce library

The Saturn version is just another "good enough" port and is not perfect.

[MNKyDeth]

And alas... hopefully the last questions I need on this system.

Do the everdrives work with the SuperGrafx games?

If I own a Super Cd-rom 2 add-on do I use the A/V output on the SuperGrafx or the cd-rom add on unit?

Does the Super Cd-rom 2 add-on have an A/V output?

If playing a SuperGrafx game with the add-on attached does it matter what A/V ports are used?

I am mostly trying to figure out if I am RGB modding the SuperGrafx or the add-on or both.


Also, while looking around inside the system I noticed by the 7805 on the large metal heat sink there looks like another spot for a 7805 between the power switch and the fuse. Is there supposed to be a 7805 in that location or is it supposed to be empty?

[TurboXray]

For the cd addon with the sgx,  you use the addon's av out. Else you won't get stereo soundssss from cd audio tracks.

[CrackTiger]

My SCD is modified for component, but the picture is light in sections and the image doesn't show if I pass it through a switch box. With that in mind, when it's hooked to a SuperGrafx, only the v1 TED works.

Something else you should know is that you will need both power supplies if running a SGX + SCD, but there is a custom pass through power cable you can buy online, so that you only need the SCD plugged in.

[poponon]

The Saturn version is just another "good enough" port and is not perfect.

it's looks to be closer to the arcade version than the pce port atleast

[MNKyDeth]

Well, my SuperGrafx was a bare unit, no accessories.

So I grabbed a 12v 1500mA Enermax power supply for it as that is what the Super CD-Rom attachment voltage requires. Hopefully the extra 500mA over the stock power supply will help a little.

I replaced the controller port as it was pretty worn out. I then removed the  5 port din A/V socket and decapped it.

So basically I am going to RGB mod the Super CD-Rom addon and then region mod the SuperGrafx. Region mod only if I want to play with actual HuCards, if not then I can just use the TED 2.4 and don't worry about the region mod.

Playing Supergrafx games will go out through the A/V port on the Super CD-Rom unit? There is a Hu6260 in the cd-rom add on?