Donald Trump Thread aka End of Days

[Emerald Rocker]

The reporter thing is an old story that was debunked a couple weeks ago.  His manager was doing the "you're in the way and I'm going to maneuver around your side to get in front of you while touching your arm/shoulder so that you know I'm passing" thing that people do in crowds.

The other Republican candidates are calling for the guy to be fired or suspended.  Of course, Trump is doing the opposite by defending his manager and (rightfully) accusing the reporter of making things up.  Politically that's a bad move -- we're already seeing headlines of "Trump's male campaign manager grabs female reporter" -- but as a human being, it's the right thing for Trump to do.   I'm actually pretty angry that charges were filed over such nonsense.

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[EvilEvoIX]

The reporter thing is an old story that was debunked a couple weeks ago.  His manager was doing the "you're in the way and I'm going to maneuver around your side to get in front of you while touching your arm/shoulder so that you know I'm passing" thing that people do in crowds.

The other Republican candidates are calling for the guy to be fired or suspended.  Of course, Trump is doing the opposite by defending his manager and (rightfully) accusing the reporter of making things up.  Politically that's a bad move -- we're already seeing headlines of "Trump's male campaign manager grabs female reporter" -- but as a human being, it's the right thing for Trump to do.   I'm actually pretty angry that charges were filed over such nonsense.

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Video #2 (a better view):

Great, informative post.

[NecroPhile]

The police must be on the take then, seeing as their report says her arm was bruised.

[LostFlunky]

The police must be on the take then, seeing as their report says her arm was bruised.

It doesn't look like a big deal to me, especially the view in the 2nd video -which despite it's title, isn't a better view... 

But...

In the first video, it appears that he grabs her left arm from behind her and pulls her backwards, towards himself - I could see that causing a bruise...

[jlued686]

I watched the town halls on CNN last night with Ted Cruz and Trump. I missed the Kasich one.

I'm still astounded that anyone takes this clown seriously. I've made it clear in my previous posts that I'm not a fan of Ted Cruz. But Ted Cruz demonstrated that he at least has a functional knowledge of most of the issues that were thrown at him last night and is able to clearly state his views. Sure, a lot of it was political BS and talking points with him dodging the question in favor of throwing barbs at Obama. But, when the moment called for it, he could at least sounds semi-educated about the subject at hand. Trump? Jesus-tapdancing-Christ. Rambling, incoherent, and self-contradictory from sentence to sentence.

Example: He (supposedly) feels nuclear proliferation is ("probably") the number one issue facing our country. In literally the next sentence he says he wants Japan, South Korea, and Saudi Arabia to have nuclear weapons. When Anderson Cooper calls him on the contradiction, he says, "Why not? They're gonna get 'em anyway!" Then, again, in literally the next sentence he says we need to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons.

Later, "after security", he claims that healthcare and education are the top priorities for the federal government. Cooper asks him if that means he believes in universal healthcare. Caught in his bumbling nonsense, he mumbles something about how government should just be sure its citizens are healthy and then goes on a tangent about making deals or some such shit.

It's like listening to the ramblings of a doped-up insane person. From one moment to the next, he changes his opinion. Why? Because he doesn't have a clue about what the hell he's talking about. It's astounding. And people are buying it.

I may have been wrong in my statements about Ted Cruz. Trump is dangerously out of his league.

[Emerald Rocker]

I'm only picking on one point because it's of personal interest.  I'm not interested in debating who is better/worse overall (Trump or Cruz).

Cooper asks him if that means he believes in universal healthcare. Caught in his bumbling nonsense, he mumbles something about how government should just be sure its citizens are healthy

He didn't "mumble" -- agree or disagree with the words, but Trump enunciated very clearly.  What he said is that healthcare should be universal but privately administered, so as to foster competition.  I happen to agree with that stance.  Obamacare was a (failed) attempt to do just that -- but one failure shouldn't poison the concept forever.  I'd still like to see privately-administered, universal healthcare in this country.

[jlued686]

Thanks for picking that up, as I didn't get that from what he said. Need to charge up my decoder ring!

[Emerald Rocker]

That's fair.  I worked in insurance for a while so that's why that part was especially interesting to me.

[Otaking]

Teen girl pepper sprayed at Trump rally.

[NecroPhile]

She learned a valuable lesson: don't punch people.

[jlued686]

I haven't watched the video, but didn't she punch some guy who allegedly groped her? That's what she claims, at least, that he grabbed her breast.

[BigusSchmuck]

Breaking news, Trump pissed off Anonymous:
https://newrepublic.com/article/132283/anonymous-hacked-donald-trump
lol

[NightWolve]

Crazed, emotional, Far Left hack "democrats" doing their thing, e.g. lying, libeling, distorting, using [cussing] kids, and when it doubt, pulling the Hitler card! There's even some fake crying to the camera in this thing - Gotta love it! They just can't get away with their bullshit like they used to! Great take down response video, but I only wish the Brit who made it wasn't associated with Alex Jones' Infowars who is a crazed 9/11 inside job "truther" himself like Rosie O'Donnell.

Here's the original monstrosity, and wow, the above critic censored it a bit in comparison:

The disabled NY Times reporter and Trump allegedly mocking him being wheelchair-bound by waving his hands was total lying bullshit on their part (they pretend Trump knew he's on a wheelchair and the hand gestures of panting mock his state, rather than having to backtrack on a pro-Trump story which is the context of why he did that) trying to libel him yet again, so that's another one the critic could've added/dissected to his video.

Anyway, fun, nasty stuff, and I honestly haven't seen this desperate level of corrupt, partisan hack reporting/spinning/distorting/parroting/narrative-promoting even during the Bush years... It's much more brazen with Trump!

Teen girl pepper sprayed at Trump rally.

Pretty disgusting bias, but not surprising coming from "Young Turks." Warrants some countering.

* The title instead should be "Violent teen protester punches a man at Trump rally and then gets pepper-sprayed!", that is, if the news press cared about their integrity. She's being portrayed as a victim when pepper-spraying a violent protester is justified. The man should've caught up with the police as they showed up, got her arrested to give her a criminal record, the harassing punch-throwing heckler that she is! Unfortunately, the pepper-spraying added complications to that, but if you can get arrested for "battery" for pulling a reporter away for 2-3 seconds who kept touching/grabbing Trump, a presidential candidate, she should've been arrested too!

* They keep repeating "15 year old girl" as a manipulative sympathy play, but nobody involved could know exactly her age at the time and she looks older to me, like ~18ish and makes more sense for someone so angry, loud, and showing up uninvited to political rallies in protest without parents. Regardless, pepper-spray is designed to stop an assault and she didn't feel like throwing another punch afterwards - it did the job... She already had people holding her back to deter her violence, so all around, I have no sympathy for her and no reason to assign credibility to her grope claim with so many people around who would've seen it. She likely used the claim to justify punching him.

* They accuse and generalize Trump supporters of the violence when basically Trump rallies are being harassed, heckled, protested, disrupted, shutdown even, etc. by uninvited democrats from professional protesting groups like #OccupyWallStreet, #BlackLivesMatter (whose accomplishments include getting the city of Ferguson burned down), union thugs perhaps and just general aggressive democrats crashing Trump/republican rallies to yell insults at republicans and at Trump, provoke responses, cause violence even to the point of getting a planned event at Chicago shut down, and let's not forget the crazed Bernie Sanders democrat attempting to violently rush the podium to either knock Trump down, grab him, or whatever he was intending to do!

In other words, crazed democrats hate republicans/Trump enough to crash their rallies/events to provoke responses, cause violence, become part of the story, etc. while republicans are not crashing Clinton and Sanders rallies/events to such an extent in acts of provocation. All it takes is one republican to take the bait, and the democrat allies in the news press will spin the story against Trump, blame him and accuse republican/Trump fans of the violence, etc.

It's essentially a case that republicans can't peacefully assemble to hear Trump speak in such events without having to deal with provocative, bigoted, partisan, uninvited democrats crashing such events/rallies and sometimes becoming part of the story if they can criminally shut down roads, get events cancelled, even rush the podium which then awards you a 10 minute or so soapbox special on CNN where you get to be portrayed as a hero and are allowed to libel Trump some more! Embarrassing/shameful on CNN's part with what they did with that criminal bully, who got to call Trump a bully and other things as a reward on their broadcast!

*Notice they auto-assign credibility to her claim that the man touched her breasts. There's no video evidence, while her attempted punch was caught on tape, but we're supposed to believe a partisan democrat activist harassing an event of the opposite party will be totally honest and not recognize the opportunity to libel/slander republicans/Trump supporters there by crying, all of a sudden, some sexual groping in anger! Yeah, right...

She's pretty ugly and fat, so I highly doubt it was anything intentional if it in fact happened during some heated debate. Regardless, she lost all credibility when she took the swing with no further provoking on his part. These pro-democrat protesters knowingly show up to heckle, protest, harass, "disrupt," confront, etc. Trump fans there, and like I said, unfortunately all it takes is 1 or 2 supporters getting provoked into confrontation and the news press will spin it with an anti-Trump narrative in some way, shape or form... If you understand this, you won't fall for their lying narratives.

* According to this video, it might've been how his hand came down with the paper he's holding which touched her but that didn't stop the Trump-hating news press from reporting a "sexual assault" of 15 year old at Trump rally in the aftermath, so all it took was for her to keep barking the claim out loud which they took as fact and made sure to omit her punching him in their news headlines...

* On the subject, this video gives you an idea of the type of aggressive and violent democrats to crash GOP rallies and harass, heckle, provoke, etc. the republicans there. Citizens have to fight these narratives when democrats have greater advantage with the mainstream press.

[NecroPhile]

I'm a Republican and I hate Trump because he's a fucking moron.  The guy flip flops all over the place, knows fuck all about diplomacy, and his only claim to fame is "I'm rich!"; and that latter part isn't very impressive, seeing as it's based almost entirely upon him riding daddy's coat tails, abusing bankruptcy courts and losing investor's money while collecting himself a fat paycheck, and getting paid for running his mouth on TV.  In terms of doing something positive and enduring, he's got nothing.

And it's not spin to say it's a Trump problem when a handful of his supporters start throwing punches, not when Trump himself is saying it's a good thing and encouraging more violence.  You'd have a point if he was telling people not to stoop to their level, but he's doing the exact opposite.

[Emerald Rocker]

Trump definitely began life with a huge advantage, but he still turned a million dollar loan into a multi-billion dollar set of companies that employ thousands of people.  (The $40 million inheritance came after he had already multiplied that first million many times over.)  I won't argue with your feelings of him as a person -- that's Trump's problem to solve -- but I'm impressed by what he accomplished in business.

Regarding the protests, I won't argue about Trump's tone.  Again, that's Trump's problem to handle if he wants.  What I will say is that in the months preceding Chicago, Donald Trump held a lot of rallies with thousands of attendees. Protesters were at every single one. Things happen when you get that many people together in one place -- we've heard about the protester who got punched at one rally -- but that aberration highlights just how peaceful Trump's rallies were despite hosting thousands of people. Across months of rallies and protests, nothing like Chicago had ever happened before.

And then some folks who wanted to prove that Trump supporters are "violent" rented a bunch of professional activists and sent them into Chicago to raise a rabble. These are the same kinds of professional activists who helped stir the pot in Ferguson and Occupy Oakland. They come in, get the locals worked up, and leave while the city burns. And they get paid for it.

Trump saw what was happening. He cancelled the event and told everyone to go home peacefully. Unfortunately, it wasn't all peaceful. A few police officers were injured. Trump supporters were physically accosted on their way out. An ambulance was blocked. It would have been much worse if Trump had shown up, but it was still a hostile (and illegal) protest even without the man being there.

I originally didn't want to support Trump, but the way he and his supporters have been treated makes me want to stick up for him.  That feels absurd, but I can't help it.

[EvilEvoIX]

They are all clowns with a socialist thrown in for good measure.  Trumps simply the biggest, loudest, most powerful; a pure naked politician (now he is) that is unapologetic.  I've read a great article from Pat Buchanan describing Trumps movement perfectly.  Trump is a Nationalist, that's very attractive in this day where people are being told their cultures and ideology are racist, hateful, and wrong. 

http://buchanan.org/blog/what-trump-has-wrought-125088?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+PatrickBuchanan+%28Pat+Buchanan+Update%29

[NecroPhile]

Trump definitely began life with a huge advantage, but he still turned a million dollar loan into a multi-billion dollar set of companies that employ thousands of people.  (The $40 million inheritance came after he had already multiplied that first million many times over.)

That's the typical oversimplified tale that Trump and most of his supporters like to sing, but it's only half true.  The only reason ANY of his early development deals went through is because of his dad's connections; the idea that he went out on his own and made billions off a $1m loan is a farce.

[EvilEvoIX]

Trump definitely began life with a huge advantage, but he still turned a million dollar loan into a multi-billion dollar set of companies that employ thousands of people.  (The $40 million inheritance came after he had already multiplied that first million many times over.)

That's the typical oversimplified tale that Trump and most of his supporters like to sing, but it's only half true.  The only reason ANY of his early development deals went through is because of his dad's connections; the idea that he went out on his own and made billions off a $1m loan is a farce.

Trump had connections sure,  but take $1,000,000 hell cal it $40,000,000 and make it into 4.5 billion.  That does not happen on accident.

[NecroPhile]

Trump had connections sure,  but take $1,000,000 hell cal it $40,000,000 and make it into 4.5 billion.  That does not happen on accident.

I didn't say it was an accident or that he did nothing, now did I?  I said he did it using his dad's connections and eventually his entire business, meaning he's not the self made man he claims to be.

[OldRover]

Some people don't seem to realize that there's a threshold. Turning $1 million into $4.5 billion is not the most difficult thing in the world... you have tremendous investment power with that much money. Try to do the same thing with $100... not so easy. The more investment power you have, the more you can increase its value exponentially. My ex wife's grandfather turned his $10k military nest egg into a $10 million real estate racket a few decades ago. He did not have nearly as much to invest with but it was still enough to turn into millions... and back when he did it, $10k was worth a hell of a lot more than it is now. Give a smart man a million bucks and watch him turn it into a billion... give a stupid man a billion bucks and watch him turn it into a bankruptcy after about a year. Not only that, but there's also the fact that these people had non-monetary advantages... or perhaps just plain dumb luck. Take Microsoft, for example... not a whole lot of investment capital to start with but still enough to make an impact, and now they're the most profitable software company in the world. Having that initial capital made a huge difference but so did being in the right place at the right time. There's always more than one variable involved, so trying to simplify it (like most dumb Americans like to do anyway) doesn't really work in the real world.

That all said, I honestly don't like Trump... but I don't necessarily think he's a terrible guy. Sure, he says a lot of really, really stupid shit, but so do most political nooblets. I really don't think he's fit to lead the most powerful country in the world... maybe he should just start by being governor of Alaska.

[Otaking]

The Official Donald Trump Jam

[EvilEvoIX]

Some people don't seem to realize that there's a threshold. Turning $1 million into $4.5 billion is not the most difficult thing in the world... you have tremendous investment power with that much money. Try to do the same thing with $100... not so easy. The more investment power you have, the more you can increase its value exponentially. My ex wife's grandfather turned his $10k military nest egg into a $10 million real estate racket a few decades ago. He did not have nearly as much to invest with but it was still enough to turn into millions... and back when he did it, $10k was worth a hell of a lot more than it is now. Give a smart man a million bucks and watch him turn it into a billion... give a stupid man a billion bucks and watch him turn it into a bankruptcy after about a year. Not only that, but there's also the fact that these people had non-monetary advantages... or perhaps just plain dumb luck. Take Microsoft, for example... not a whole lot of investment capital to start with but still enough to make an impact, and now they're the most profitable software company in the world. Having that initial capital made a huge difference but so did being in the right place at the right time. There's always more than one variable involved, so trying to simplify it (like most dumb Americans like to do anyway) doesn't really work in the real world.

That all said, I honestly don't like Trump... but I don't necessarily think he's a terrible guy. Sure, he says a lot of really, really stupid shit, but so do most political nooblets. I really don't think he's fit to lead the most powerful country in the world... maybe he should just start by being governor of Alaska.

It's extremely ignorant to think it's easy to turn $1,000,000 into 4.5 billion.  The manures within business, the knowledge, the pitfalls, taxes, government, laws, economic downturn, changes in industry.  The statement you've made is indefensible. 

Bash trump?  Sure have at one of his MANY character flaws.  But he is an excellent business man despite how much the media and Hilary bashes him.
 They don't like him as he is brash, unapologetic, and the news cannot control the narrative.

[NecroPhile]

It's extremely ignorant to think it's easy to turn $1,000,000 into 4.5 billion.

It's even more ignorant to think that's what Trump did.  He has $4.5b now, but that was built using that $1m plus his father's company (after he died), Trump's inheritance, billions of dollars of other people's investments, etc.

The manures within business, the knowledge, the pitfalls, taxes, government, laws, economic downturn, changes in industry.  The statement you've made is indefensible. 

Manures?  Okay.....

He knows the bankruptcy laws, that's for sure. 

Bash trump?  Sure have at one of his MANY character flaws.  But he is an excellent business man despite how much the media and Hilary bashes him.

He's an excellent business man in terms of branding himself, but his track record is pretty crappy as a developer and property owner (or most anything else that's more than sitting in front of a camera or selling his name).

They don't like him as he is brash, unapologetic, and the news cannot control the narrative.

That's part of it, but they mainly don't like him because he has few answers on what he'd do as president, and the scant specific answers he has given make little sense.

[BigusSchmuck]

Some people don't seem to realize that there's a threshold. Turning $1 million into $4.5 billion is not the most difficult thing in the world... you have tremendous investment power with that much money. Try to do the same thing with $100... not so easy. The more investment power you have, the more you can increase its value exponentially. My ex wife's grandfather turned his $10k military nest egg into a $10 million real estate racket a few decades ago. He did not have nearly as much to invest with but it was still enough to turn into millions... and back when he did it, $10k was worth a hell of a lot more than it is now. Give a smart man a million bucks and watch him turn it into a billion... give a stupid man a billion bucks and watch him turn it into a bankruptcy after about a year. Not only that, but there's also the fact that these people had non-monetary advantages... or perhaps just plain dumb luck. Take Microsoft, for example... not a whole lot of investment capital to start with but still enough to make an impact, and now they're the most profitable software company in the world. Having that initial capital made a huge difference but so did being in the right place at the right time. There's always more than one variable involved, so trying to simplify it (like most dumb Americans like to do anyway) doesn't really work in the real world.

That all said, I honestly don't like Trump... but I don't necessarily think he's a terrible guy. Sure, he says a lot of really, really stupid shit, but so do most political nooblets. I really don't think he's fit to lead the most powerful country in the world... maybe he should just start by being governor of Alaska.

It's extremely ignorant to think it's easy to turn $1,000,000 into 4.5 billion.  The manures within business, the knowledge, the pitfalls, taxes, government, laws, economic downturn, changes in industry.  The statement you've made is indefensible. 

Bash trump?  Sure have at one of his MANY character flaws.  But he is an excellent business man despite how much the media and Hilary bashes him.
 They don't like him as he is brash, unapologetic, and the news cannot control the narrative.

Trump Steaks.

Enough said.

[EvilEvoIX]

It's extremely ignorant to think it's easy to turn $1,000,000 into 4.5 billion.

It's even more ignorant to think that's what Trump did.  He has $4.5b now, but that was built using that $1m plus his father's company (after he died), Trump's inheritance, billions of dollars of other people's investments, etc.

The manures within business, the knowledge, the pitfalls, taxes, government, laws, economic downturn, changes in industry.  The statement you've made is indefensible. 

Manures?  Okay.....

He knows the bankruptcy laws, that's for sure. 

Bash trump?  Sure have at one of his MANY character flaws.  But he is an excellent business man despite how much the media and Hilary bashes him.

He's an excellent business man in terms of branding himself, but his track record is pretty crappy as a developer and property owner (or most anything else that's more than sitting in front of a camera or selling his name).

They don't like him as he is brash, unapologetic, and the news cannot control the narrative.

That's part of it, but they mainly don't like him because he has few answers on what he'd do as president, and the scant specific answers he has given make little sense.

He received a $40 million inheritance well after his real estate business was under way.  His dad died in 99, trump had wealth then.  Did it Help?  Sure,  but I don't think you realize how much 4.5 billion is.  Why is it everyone without money is an expert all of a sudden on creating it?  You cannot write off his wealth, sorry it's just too great of an achievement and I refuse to believe it was all handed to him but he was give a running start.  Wealth begets wealth.  He also has dirt on him, name a billionaire that doesn't.

Bankruptcy?   How many times has Derek Jeter struck out?  Did he bat 1,000?  My god man, he who hasn't failed has never tried.  You know you can buy a troubled asset, throw it into
Bankruptcy protection, remove the value and discard the rest.  Completely legal.  You may not like the process but it its legal.  Other business failings?  Sure, but again the man is a billionaire  so......yup terrible Businessman.

He knows what he wants and he'll get it.  He is not a politician, that's for sure and that's a good thing.

[jlued686]

I couldn't give a shit about his wealth. All I care about is that he's completely full of shit and doesn't have any sort of real, honest plan. And, the plans he does try to elaborate on are revealed to have absolutely zero basis in reality.

I love how the logic is, "He's rich and he's not a politician so he's automatically a good choice!" He's PT Barnum and his followers are suckers. Simple as that.

[OldRover]

It's extremely ignorant to think it's easy to turn $1,000,000 into 4.5 billion.  The manures within business, the knowledge, the pitfalls, taxes, government, laws, economic downturn, changes in industry.  The statement you've made is indefensible.

Your response is what's indefensible. I said it wasn't the most difficult thing in the world... I didn't say it was easy. I said that starting with $100 was not so easy. Not only that, but you *COMPLETELY IGNORED EVERYTHING ELSE I SAID*. How typical. Learn to understand context.

Bash trump?  Sure have at one of his MANY character flaws.  But he is an excellent business man despite how much the media and Hilary bashes him.

The media bashes everyone visible enough to be bashed. If they don't bash you, they don't think you're important enough. They will do their best to ignore that which threatens their own narrative... bashing someone goes along perfectly with their narrative. Divide and conquer. Also, Trump was born into entitlement and used that entitlement to make himself more entitled. He's not an excellent businessman... he's a mediocre one at best. His fortune is largely a result of being in the right place at the right time with the right entitlements. Stop sucking his dick already.

They don't like him as he is brash, unapologetic, and the news cannot control the narrative.

Considering he has his own hands in media outlets, I'd say that this is a completely ignorant statement right here. Also, being brash and unapologetic are not signs of a proper diplomat, nor a proper leader.

[EvilEvoIX]

It's extremely ignorant to think it's easy to turn $1,000,000 into 4.5 billion.  The manures within business, the knowledge, the pitfalls, taxes, government, laws, economic downturn, changes in industry.  The statement you've made is indefensible.

Your response is what's indefensible. I said it wasn't the most difficult thing in the world... I didn't say it was easy. I said that starting with $100 was not so easy. Not only that, but you *COMPLETELY IGNORED EVERYTHING ELSE I SAID*. How typical. Learn to understand context.

Bash trump?  Sure have at one of his MANY character flaws.  But he is an excellent business man despite how much the media and Hilary bashes him.

The media bashes everyone visible enough to be bashed. If they don't bash you, they don't think you're important enough. They will do their best to ignore that which threatens their own narrative... bashing someone goes along perfectly with their narrative. Divide and conquer. Also, Trump was born into entitlement and used that entitlement to make himself more entitled. He's not an excellent businessman... he's a mediocre one at best. His fortune is largely a result of being in the right place at the right time with the right entitlements. Stop sucking his dick already.

They don't like him as he is brash, unapologetic, and the news cannot control the narrative.

Considering he has his own hands in media outlets, I'd say that this is a completely ignorant statement right here. Also, being brash and unapologetic are not signs of a proper diplomat, nor a proper leader.

Mediocre Billionare, got it.  It's all luck his wealth is, sure makes sense now.  No sour grapes there.  Not that hard to make $4.5 billion.  Wealth is easy.


A proper diplomat?  How are our current ones doing?  How are our trade deals?  Why are businesses leaving in droves to foreign labor?  How are our trade deficits?  Both sides increasing debt?  How's the middle class doing?  Entitlements up?  Oh yeah we're killing it.


Time for someone to jerk the wheel.

[NecroPhile]

He received a $40 million inheritance well after his real estate business was under way.  His dad died in 99, trump had wealth then.  Did it Help?  Sure,  but I don't think you realize how much 4.5 billion is. Why is it everyone without money is an expert all of a sudden on creating it?  You cannot write off his wealth, sorry it's just too great of an achievement and I refuse to believe it was all handed to him but he was give a running start.  Wealth begets wealth.  He also has dirt on him, name a billionaire that doesn't.

I was mistaken thinking his father died in '74 when Trump took over the business.  No matter - the point stands that most of Trump's wealth was built after he started running his dad's company and using its resources.

Once again, I'm not claiming he's done nothing.  I don't know why you keep saying that.

Bankruptcy?   How many times has Derek Jeter struck out?  Did he bat 1,000?  My god man, he who hasn't failed has never tried.

If you think failing half the time and losing billions of dollars is a rousing success, you're a fool.

You know you can buy a troubled asset, throw it into Bankruptcy protection, remove the value and discard the rest.  Completely legal.  You may not like the process but it its legal.

The problem being that he didn't buy troubled assets, he created them.  It's legal, yes, but that doesn't mean it's ethical and it certainly isn't a sign of success.

Other business failings?  Sure, but again the man is a billionaire  so......yup terrible Businessman.

Not terrible, just mediocre.  Click here to see how other billionaires have performed over the last 28 years or so, and you'll see that most have outperformed your 'great businessman' by a wide margin.

And exactly where did I say he's a terrible business man?  Learn to read, buddy.  I stated flat out that he's good at certain things (he's made nearly a quarter of a billion dollars off The Apprentice alone), but he's not performed well as a developer and property owner.

He knows what he wants and he'll get it.  He is not a politician, that's for sure and that's a good thing.

That's an argument that I just don't understand.  Trump supporters all claim they don't want a politician that's backed by (and beholden to) big business, which makes some sense, but why oh why do you think it's a good idea to cut out the middle man and give the job directly to big business?!?

[EvilEvoIX]

He received a $40 million inheritance well after his real estate business was under way.  His dad died in 99, trump had wealth then.  Did it Help?  Sure,  but I don't think you realize how much 4.5 billion is. Why is it everyone without money is an expert all of a sudden on creating it?  You cannot write off his wealth, sorry it's just too great of an achievement and I refuse to believe it was all handed to him but he was give a running start.  Wealth begets wealth.  He also has dirt on him, name a billionaire that doesn't.

I was mistaken thinking his father died in '74 when Trump took over the business.  No matter - the point stands that most of Trump's wealth was built after he started running his dad's company and using its resources.

Once again, I'm not claiming he's done nothing.  I don't know why you keep saying that.

Bankruptcy?   How many times has Derek Jeter struck out?  Did he bat 1,000?  My god man, he who hasn't failed has never tried.

If you think failing half the time and losing billions of dollars is a rousing success, you're a fool.

You know you can buy a troubled asset, throw it into Bankruptcy protection, remove the value and discard the rest.  Completely legal.  You may not like the process but it its legal.

The problem being that he didn't buy troubled assets, he created them.  It's legal, yes, but that doesn't mean it's ethical and it certainly isn't a sign of success.

Other business failings?  Sure, but again the man is a billionaire  so......yup terrible Businessman.

Not terrible, just mediocre.  Click here to see how other billionaires have performed over the last 28 years or so, and you'll see that most have outperformed your 'great businessman' by a wide margin.

And exactly where did I say he's a terrible business man?  Learn to read, buddy.  I stated flat out that he's good at certain things (he's made nearly a quarter of a billion dollars off The Apprentice alone), but he's not performed well as a developer and property owner.

He knows what he wants and he'll get it.  He is not a politician, that's for sure and that's a good thing.

That's an argument that I just don't understand.  Trump supporters all claim they don't want a politician that's backed by (and beholden to) big business, which makes some sense, but why oh why do you think it's a good idea to cut out the middle man and give the job directly to big business?!?

Trump is a big business man, he's a business in his own right.  You said it yourself the man made $250,000,000 from a tv show.  The man dressed down anyone who crosses him and people ask for more.

Trump is so big that no politician can take him down.  How many politicians has he taken down?  He never retreats, just attacks in the face of all odds.  He's the biggest thing in news right now and even with all their attacks he plows ahead and will take New York and most of the North East in Delegates.  The left is scared, the media is scared, China is scared, Mexico is scared.  The man sees politicians as what they are, ignorant liars who'll dance for money and he's made a lot of people dance.  He made my Governor dance on live tv and then kicked him to the curb when he was done with him.  He also calls politicians out as the garbage they are and he knows how to negotiate.  The left and the news cry out racist and hate monger and when every other man would back off and apologize he plows ahead and wins more states than anyone be else.  I have no idea how you wouldn't want this man over Cruz.

No matter how many times you say it, it never fails to make me chuckle when you say "Mediocre Billionaire".  It's fun to watch a persons hate lead them past the truth to make a statement like that.  Forbes reported 4.5 billion and you roll your eyes; embarrassing.  Way to big of a number take apart.  Calling it mediocre again may as well go full Lib-Tard and call it a "Hate Fact".

  You have seen what this man has done to politicians, he destroyed Jeb Bush and his $100,000,000 war chest in two words " Low Energy".  He took a Spanish politicians State and called it from a mile away.  He changed the entire election to immigration reform front and center, he's about to win New York, he could win California.


Keep underestimating the man.  Keep calling him mediocre.  Keeping rolling those eyes.

[NecroPhile]

I have no idea how you wouldn't want this man over Cruz.

Cruz stinks for many different reasons, but at least he can answer policy questions without contradicting himself, stating he'd break international law, or flip flopping an hour later.

Also, as I stated earlier but I'm sure you couldn't be bothered to read (or comprehend), I don't want Trump nominated because I don't think he can win against Clinton, as he's not terribly popular with women, hispanic, or independent voters.

No matter how many times you say it, it never fails to make me chuckle when you say "Mediocre Billionaire".  It's fun to watch a persons hate lead them past the truth to make a statement like that.  Forbes reported 4.5 billion and you roll your eyes; embarrassing.  Way to big of a number take apart.  Calling it mediocre again may as well go full Lib-Tard and call it a "Hate Fact".

His money making performance in the past ~30 years when compared to other billionaires is mediocre.  Did you even bother to look at the link I posted?  It's not hate, envy, or any other silly emotional spin you want to put on it; it's a fact based on cold, hard numbers.

You have seen what this man has done to politicians, he destroyed Jeb Bush and his $100,000,000 war chest in two words " Low Energy".  He took a Spanish politicians State and called it from a mile away.  He changed the entire election to immigration reform front and center, he's about to win New York, he could win California.

Keep underestimating the man.  Keep calling him mediocre.  Keeping rolling those eyes.

Only if you keep sucking that Trump cock.

[elmer]

Interesting long interview with David Cay Johnston, a reporter that's been following Trump for years.

http://harryshearer.com/le-shows/april-3-2016/

[EvilEvoIX]

Only if you keep sucking that Trump cock.

I'd love to but the line for that is way too long.  See how many people showed up for Trump in New York?  Over 17,000.  See what happened to Cruz?  Those kiddies threatened a walk out.

Tell me, wouldn't you like to see Trump rip apart Hilary live on the debates?  He has so much dirt on her, he'll make her dance just like the others.

[Emerald Rocker]

His money making performance in the past ~30 years when compared to other billionaires is mediocre.

I won't speak for EvilEvo because he's already spoken too much.  But speaking for me -- when I look at that list you linked, I don't see high performers and low performers.  I look at that list and see the most successful businessmen in the world.

[NecroPhile]

I won't speak for EvilEvo because he's already spoken too much.  But speaking for me -- when I look at that list you linked, I don't see high performers and low performers.  I look at that list and see the most successful businessmen in the world.

Can't it be both?  This isn't a black and white world.

[OldRover]

I just like to razz Trump supporters. No ill will, I promise.

[EvilEvoIX]

His money making performance in the past ~30 years when compared to other billionaires is mediocre.

I won't speak for EvilEvo because he's already spoken too much.  But speaking for me -- when I look at that list you linked, I don't see high performers and low performers.  I look at that list and see the most successful businessmen in the world.

Excellent point.  The man took a $1,000,000 loan (and solid business connections) and turned it into billions, not hundreds of millions, billions.  He's a master of leverage.  During the 80's he built his casinos with organized labor and had to grease a lot of palms to get it done.  The man is an arrogant force who'll stop at nothing to get his way.  Public opinion doesn't sway him and he controls the media.

Again, anyone who discounts his billions is being spiteful.  "Mediocre Billionare". Still makes me laugh.

[TheClash603]

I work in banking and have dealt directly with hundreds of millionaires on a day to day basis for nearly a decade now.  I haven't seen a single one of them become a billionaire, so it must not be that easy to do.

[wildfruit]

I bought a house for £165k 10 years ago. It is now worth £265k. Trump watch out!

[EvilEvoIX]

I work in banking and have dealt directly with hundreds of millionaires on a day to day basis for nearly a decade now.  I haven't seen a single one of them become a billionaire, so it must not be that easy to do.

Any of them become mediocre billionaires?  Obviously almost anyone can achieve that.

[BigusSchmuck]

Looks like Drumpf and Billary wins Newyork. http://www.nytimes.com/elections/results/new-york

[TheClash603]

I voted Bernie, as did most of WNY, but the city slickers love Hillary!

[wilykat]

Still shitty lineup for this year's election.

Did you know? You can still use write-in vote. And I know someone who did write in Bugs Bunny in the past troubled election.

[NightWolve]

Yeah, looks like Hellary "Rotten" Clinton didn't get to feel teh Bern in New York... I was hoping the Clinton Crime Family could be dispatched once and for all by Bernie, but the old-timer didn't come through for me... :/ Funny thing is Bernie is way too Far Left for me, so I'm almost totally ideologically opposed to him in every way, but I can't hate the guy and Hillary just doesn't deserve the nomination nor is qualified... She didn't deserve some coronation and at least she had to put up a fight.



Nope... Teh Bern felt a little Hellary this time... ;)

[seieienbu]

Yeah, looks like Hellary "Rotten" Clinton didn't get to feel teh Bern in New York... I was hoping the Clinton Crime Family could be dispatched once and for all by Bernie, but the old-timer didn't come through for me... :/ Funny thing is Bernie is way too Far Left for me, so I'm almost totally ideologically opposed to him in every way, but I can't hate the guy and Hillary just doesn't deserve the nomination nor is qualified... She didn't deserve some coronation and at least she had to put up a fight.

Nope... Teh Bern felt a little Hellary this time... ;)

Even if you're absolutely against his policies, I feel that it's easy to like Bernie Sanders if for no other reason than he's stuck to his personal morals and never flip flopped on his main issues.  It's hard to hate an idealist who only campaigns on a platform based around human rights. 

I don't like Hillary at all and am Still hoping she doesn't get the nomination.  I've watched her lie and flipflop for 20 years now.  She wants to be president because she wants to be president.  Bernie wants to be president so that he can fight what he perceives as injustice.  Hillary Clinton reminds me at least a little bit of Bill Clinton at this point.  When Bill saw the ground that Ross Perot was gaining due to his singular issue of the deficit spending, he took the balanced budget rhetoric and made it seem like his own.  Now Hillary takes Sanders' talking points and presents them as if they're her own.  Perhaps I wouldn't mind someone taking said points and running with them all the way to the White House except I don't trust that as soon as she's nominated she won't just drop everything Sanders has been saying as soon as it's not the clearest path to what she wants, her seat in the Oval Office.

[jlued686]

I freaking love this gif...

[esteban]

I freaking love this gif...

Agreed. Pure genius.

[wilykat]

She looks like that "Two Weeks" woman from Total Recall:

[NightWolve]

Hahaha, no way, good find! Wish I had made that connection myself!!!