brexit wins ... OMFG!

[elmer]

Don't know enough to know whether this is good or bad in the long-term history of the Europe (and potentially, the Western World) ... but OMFG ... this is big. 

[Psycho Punch]

This was good in my humble opinion. Thanks for reading.

[SignOfZeta]

I don't really know the politics either but it's pretty easy to tell who the assholes are (UKIP=teabaggers, etc).

There will be no surplus lawyers in Europe and the U.K. in the coming years, that's for sure. This is going to cost a trillion euros to sort out. For it's sake I hope England really does see its utopian immigrantless future free from the crushing weight of EU membership because this is a whole lot of work otherwise.

[CGQuarterly]

Now it's time for California to secede from the United States and become a sovereign nation.

[seieienbu]

Now it's time for California to secede from the United States and become a sovereign nation.

Do you really think Cali would leave before Texas?

Either way, I hear the pound is plummeting.  I'm no economist but I think buying some of Ye King's currency makes for a sound investment for the moment as it will be at a low but I expect it to come back up.  Then again, what do I know?!

[Otaking]

I won't say my political views on this one, but this is by far the biggest thing that has happened in my country in my lifetime.

It looks for certain that Scotland will now leave the United Kingdom, which I think is sad.

[Digi.k]

ah man there was a few more games that I wanted to import from japan I guess they are going to wait a looong time now.

ah crap I got a feeling buying chinese/korean/japanese groceries their prices will escalate further up

[esteban]

Yeah, this is not how I thought it would play out. Crazy! Seriously.

I am not going to argue policy (not now, anyway); simply tracking the immediate fallout and maneuvering will provide enough fodder for the forum.

I have friends in England and they are understandably concerned about the future.

[SamIAm]

Amidst the financial-world fallout, if haven-seeking investors rush into the Yen and push it back down under 100 to the USD, I would not be surprised to see the Japanese government take extreme measures to weaken it, including the pouring of fresh Yen directly onto the FX market. That'll be fun.

Anyway, at its most boring, the brexit could result in the UK and the EU doing what they've always done, just with lots of time and effort spent to put it under a different banner.

At its most dramatic, it could result in the breakup of the UK and a major compromise in the stability of the EU.

Whatever happens, there will probably be some lessons for the 21st century in this. Now that the decision has been made, here's hoping it winds up being good for everyone, I guess.

EDIT: In the news, there was a lot of emphasis on the fact that many Japanese companies had chosen the UK as a hub of manufacturing for goods to be sold throughout the EU. Naturally, the reason to manufacture within the UK was to avoid EU tariffs, but this (probably?) threatens all of that.

If I were Scotland and thinking about splitting off from the UK to rejoin the EU, I would be courting the heck out of companies in this kind of position. It's probably far easier for them to just move up north a little bit than it is to move to somewhere more profoundly different, and in the case of firms from Japan and other East-Asian countries, their overseas staffs would almost certainly prefer to live and work in English.

[TheClash603]

It is very interesting that people voted to squash demographic shifts, at the short term expense of their economy.  Essentially this is the most recent example of people not liking to be told what to do, even though there will be upfront struggles that will eventually be worked through.

In the U.S. we did things more violently with a revolution and then a Civil War, but both of them were essentially people sick of being told to do stuff against their personal beliefs.

[wiseau]

I really do hope this works out for them, anything to cripple and eventually remove that cancerous mass they call the EU is a positive as far as i'm concerned.

[NecroPhile]

I don't see how it benefits 'em in the long run, but whatevs.  As long as the BBC / Dave has monies to keep making Dr. Who / Red Dwarf, I'll be happy.

[sirhcman]

So what does this mean for the state of PAL retro games? I have a few SMS titles I want to get still

[Sadler]

Now it's time for California to secede from the United States and become a sovereign nation.

Yes please! Take NY with you.

[SignOfZeta]

Now it's time for California to secede from the United States and become a sovereign nation.

Yes please! Take NY with you.

Now it's time for California to secede from the United States and become a sovereign nation.

Yes please! Take NY with you.

OK, I'll bite, what's your problem with the majority of the US's financial existence?

[Sadler]

I'm just joking, I fully realize it would destroy our economy. I could do without the the Trump's, Clinton's and Feinstein's of the world though.

[BigusSchmuck]

From what I understand, the UK's government was losing money to the EU.
https://fullfact.org/europe/our-eu-membership-fee-55-million/

Sounds like it lost more in stocks though.
http://qz.com/715845/british-stocks-lost-125-billion-after-brexit-or-15-years-worth-of-eu-contributions/

[SignOfZeta]

It has nothing to do with the money. It's about not liking immigrants, same as assholes in the US.

I will say though that due to geography reasons at least most of the racists in the UK have at least seen an immigrant before. I've run into Latino hating Americans in places where clearly there isn't no issue of their culture being overrun to say the least. We have anti-immigrant legislation in parts of the country where the Latino population is %0.02 and there are no jobs to steal in the first place.

The other major component is the "I'm being repressed!" thing, we get a lot of that in the US as well. No living natural born American has seen a bomb fall on his home town, foreign boots in his city, hyperinflation, genocide, %70 tax rates, etc. Bad weather and suicide kill more than any external threat. The standard of living is...OK, but not utopian.

Yet we have people who litterally come home from work and strap on a pistol to hang out in their own living room. People who don't care that cops are murdering civilians in the street and planting evidence in the bodies but fear (or hope for) some sort of "home invasion" that is as statistically more rare than a shark attack. That Obama unilaterally assassinated a US citizen with a drone. Doesn't matter. That once you step into a car you lose virtually all protection against search and seizure. Meaningless to the teabagger. Many Americans actually feel they are oppressed, not by the FBI or Homeland Security but by ACA or the UN. Truely hilarious to me since if you really follow that shit you'll see that, if anything, the UN is a tool of the US, not the other way around. 

These guys would vote to leave the EU if something like that existed over here. They are geographically adjacent to another country but expect to somehow see no evidence of this, they think borders are more than imaginary lines. They'd vote to leave the continent. I didn't realize there were so many of these guys in the UK. For their sake I hope they do negotiate on good terms with the EU after leaving. They're going to need to be on good ground to not get fucked by all the oil they'll be buying from Scotland which will likely soon get its own independence...but not from the EU, from the UK.  

Very much new territory here. I hope it's more interesting than tragic. Ever since I was a little kid I've  been hooked on stuff from the UK. I've probably seen more Brittish TV than American. I've never visited the place but had plans to before 2009 or whenever it was that everything went to shit last. I hope it all turns out OK.

[wildfruit]

I voted remain. Largely selfishly because I wanted to move to Portugal in retirement.

[jtucci31]

It looks for certain that Scotland will now leave the United Kingdom, which I think is sad.

I was under the impression that Scotland would stick with the UK. I could be totally wrong though, obviously

[Joe Redifer]

Is time for sad of orange man with words

Indeed.

[SignOfZeta]

It looks for certain that Scotland will now leave the United Kingdom, which I think is sad.

I was under the impression that Scotland would stick with the UK. I could be totally wrong though, obviously

Nobody knows for sure but unless some serious concessions are promised I would bet money on another Scottish independence referendum within the next year and a half and it succeeding. If Scots had known that by voting to stay in the UK they were actually voting to leave the EU then I'm sure the numbers of the last vote would have been a lot different.

It's also possible, although less likely, that Ireland will unify as an EU state. If it happens the rest of the UK could be in a serious situation.

The idea that such a huge change could be precipitated by %2 of a popular vote based on (what seems like) little more than a racist whim and hugely questionable economic forcasts is troubling. However...at least they vote over there. Amercans get very little choice in such matters and basically just use voting to robotically relect career criminals that openly fuck us every day by selling out resources out from under us.

[BigusSchmuck]

Well this article broke it down nicely:
http://digg.com/2016/what-is-brexit-explainer-england

[wiseau]

That Obama unilaterally assassinated a US citizen with a drone. Doesn't matter.

Anwar al-Awlaki wasn't some schmuck that Obama randomly decided one day he was going to launch a drone strike on. Anwar al-Awlaki was a highly influential member of a well known terrorist organization, hell bent on destroying the west. It's easily one of the only things obama has done right during his presidency.

[jtucci31]

It looks for certain that Scotland will now leave the United Kingdom, which I think is sad.

I was under the impression that Scotland would stick with the UK. I could be totally wrong though, obviously

Nobody knows for sure but unless some serious concessions are promised I would bet money on another Scottish independence referendum within the next year and a half and it succeeding. If Scots had known that by voting to stay in the UK they were actually voting to leave the EU then I'm sure the numbers of the last vote would have been a lot different.

It's also possible, although less likely, that Ireland will unify as an EU state. If it happens the rest of the UK could be in a serious situation.

The idea that such a huge change could be precipitated by %2 of a popular vote based on (what seems like) little more than a racist whim and hugely questionable economic forcasts is troubling. However...at least they vote over there. Amercans get very little choice in such matters and basically just use voting to robotically relect career criminals that openly fuck us every day by selling out resources out from under us.

Hah Illinois knows that all too well with the mayor of Chicago being a corrupt piece of shit and the rich asshole governor holding funds hostage for his own personal gain.

In any case, it seems pretty crazy to think that people in Scotland didn't realize that at all, that they'd be leaving the EU. So far from the little I've read it seems hard to tell what was more of a deciding factor, the immigration shit or the economical aspect of it all.

[SignOfZeta]

That Obama unilaterally assassinated a US citizen with a drone. Doesn't matter.

Anwar al-Awlaki wasn't some schmuck that Obama randomly decided one day he was going to launch a drone strike on. Anwar al-Awlaki was a highly influential member of a well known terrorist organization, hell bent on destroying the west. It's easily one of the only things obama has done right during his presidency.

But would you let him buy a gun?

This is a serious question because I want to have a better understanding of how nuts you are before I bother with explaining why NO ONE is better off in a world where leaders can wax their own people from the other side of the planet with no legal process to speak of. That's like some Warhammer 30k level dystopian nightmare shit right there. Even people who love killing more than anything have problems with this concept.

[SignOfZeta]

It looks for certain that Scotland will now leave the United Kingdom, which I think is sad.

I was under the impression that Scotland would stick with the UK. I could be totally wrong though, obviously

Nobody knows for sure but unless some serious concessions are promised I would bet money on another Scottish independence referendum within the next year and a half and it succeeding. If Scots had known that by voting to stay in the UK they were actually voting to leave the EU then I'm sure the numbers of the last vote would have been a lot different.

It's also possible, although less likely, that Ireland will unify as an EU state. If it happens the rest of the UK could be in a serious situation.

The idea that such a huge change could be precipitated by %2 of a popular vote based on (what seems like) little more than a racist whim and hugely questionable economic forcasts is troubling. However...at least they vote over there. Amercans get very little choice in such matters and basically just use voting to robotically relect career criminals that openly fuck us every day by selling out resources out from under us.

Hah Illinois knows that all too well with the mayor of Chicago being a corrupt piece of shit and the rich asshole governor holding funds hostage for his own personal gain.

In any case, it seems pretty crazy to think that people in Scotland didn't realize that at all, that they'd be leaving the EU. So far from the little I've read it seems hard to tell what was more of a deciding factor, the immigration shit or the economical aspect of it all.

Perhaps I didn't phrase that properly.

The vote in Scotland to stay or leave took place in September of 2014.

The vote for the UK to leave the EU wasn't a known thing until earlier this year when the most recent round of "please treat us special, we're the UK" talks were known to have resulted in few concessions.

While tensions were high, I don't seriously think anyone thought this vote would go this way. Polling data was wrong. Labour barely bother to campaign against it, apparently misjudging the will of the people by a significant amount. Time machines don't exist. Therefore I don't see how Scots voting to stay in the UK would know that in less than two years they'd be out of the EU completely. Someone guessed it correctly, I'm sure, but there was no mainstream concensous to this affect in the recent months that I know of.

[wiseau]

That Obama unilaterally assassinated a US citizen with a drone. Doesn't matter.

Anwar al-Awlaki wasn't some schmuck that Obama randomly decided one day he was going to launch a drone strike on. Anwar al-Awlaki was a highly influential member of a well known terrorist organization, hell bent on destroying the west. It's easily one of the only things obama has done right during his presidency.

But would you let him buy a gun?

This is a serious question because I want to have a better understanding of how nuts you are before I bother with explaining why NO ONE is better off in a world where leaders can wax their own people from the other side of the planet with no legal process to speak of. That's like some Wathammer 30k level dystopian nightmare shit right there. Even people who love killing more than anything have problems with this concept.

"their own people"
Hey man i'm not too fond of Obama either but there's no need to call him a terrorist.

[SignOfZeta]

Oh, he's a terrorist all right. Most US presidents have been. That is, the idea of threatening the lives of huge numbers of people to get what you want, even if you're too innept to actually get it, is really popular with Presidents. Simply being in charge of a nuclear arsenal more or less puts you in that category by default. Carpet bombing entire nations erases all doubt. Native genocide, proxy armies, political assassinations, no-fly zones, Chile, Cambodia, Panama, Greneda, Hondouras...death is a US export second only to superhero movies and fat. None of this is what we were taking about though, so I guess we'll just stop wasting each other's time pretending we want to have an actual conversation.

[elmer]

Native genocide, proxy armies, political assassinations, no-fly zones, Chile, Cambodia, Panama, Greneda, Hondouras...death is a US export second only to superhero movies and fat. None of this is what we were taking about though, so I guess we'll just stop wasting each other's time pretending we want to have an actual conversation.

You, sir, are a miserable, cynical, depressing, realist, with a very negative view of the last XX years of world politics.

I'd love to buy you a beer and have a good evening's argument over our (marginally) different views of the world. 

[TheClash603]

I disagree that the immigration comparison between Mexicans (legal or not) and Islamic refugees is fair.  The melting pot idea in America is alive and well and most people are happy to accept people of all different origins.  It is trendy to eat ethnic foods and watch soccer and basically do everything that isn't traditional Americana.

The Trump wall thing lost a ton of steam and a minority of people actually buy into this crap.  However, letting refugees from radical countries without known backgrounds into a country is a legitimate concern.

[esteban]

I disagree that the immigration comparison between Mexicans (legal or not) and Islamic refugees is fair.  The melting pot idea in America is alive and well and most people are happy to accept people of all different origins.  It is trendy to eat ethnic foods and watch soccer and basically do everything that isn't traditional Americana.

The Trump wall thing lost a ton of steam and a minority of people actually buy into this crap.  However, letting refugees from radical countries without known backgrounds into a country is a legitimate concern.

(1) America was founded by radical extremists. Just ask George II and George III.

(2) Let the goddamn refugees in. Fear should NEVER trump  humanitarian needs. Fear should NEVER trump skewed perceptions of danger. We are morally bankrupt cowards when our policies are driven by fear. Help the broken, devastated souls before it is too late. Help them all. Do not even turn away a single person. A strong, powerful, just and fair nation would help as many as possible. Help every one. No, locking them into a refugee (internment) camp with horrific living conditions is not what I have in mind.

(3) Our own corporations and politicians have DEVASTATED the American worker (through anti-Union policies, etc. etc.) FAR MORE than the "threat" of immigrant workers. The fact that "union" is a dirty word shows how ignorant and utterly clueless the average American is.  Hmmm... The American worker has been exploited for decades by corporations and allow the elite to reap all the benefits...but instead of identifying *that* as the problem (labor has no power), we blame immigrants. We are fucking idiots.

(4) We are fucking idiots (still).

(5) I am terrified by America's reaction to "terrorism". That is the True Tragedy: any semblance of being civilized, fair and just has taken a back seat to brutal, savage, reprehensible policies and responses.

(6) America: Home of the Knave.

(7) I work in NYC. I don't feel safer now that I routinely see militarized police and National Guard at mass transit hubs. The average American should not have to see automatic rifles and flak jackets. It is a constant reminder that instead of using our resources to decrease inequality/injustice (the true cause of all suffering), we parade guns and military paraphernalia in public. We are fucking idiots.

( I am not worried about a terrorist attack in NYC. I am too busy trying to make enough money to pay my bills, and hoping that I don't end up a statistic (the air pollution, traffic accidents, slipping on steps, etc.) are a billion times more likely to kill me and my family than any terrorist act (which, as statistics reveal, is much more likely to be perpetuated by homegrown "patriotic" anti-government extremists, radical Christian anti-abortion activists, violent homophobic hooligans, Neo-Nazi thugs, mentally unhinged gun-owners born and bred in America, etc. etc.)

(9) I don't fear immigrants. Or Islamic terrorists. I fear America's ignorance.

[mitsuman]

For Esteban

[wiseau]

I disagree that the immigration comparison between Mexicans (legal or not) and Islamic refugees is fair.  The melting pot idea in America is alive and well and most people are happy to accept people of all different origins.  It is trendy to eat ethnic foods and watch soccer and basically do everything that isn't traditional Americana.

The Trump wall thing lost a ton of steam and a minority of people actually buy into this crap.  However, letting refugees from radical countries without known backgrounds into a country is a legitimate concern.

(1) America was founded by radical extremists. Just ask George II and George III.

(2) Let the goddamn refugees in. Fear should NEVER trump  humanitarian needs. Fear should NEVER trump skewed perceptions of danger. We are morally bankrupt cowards when our policies are driven by fear. Help the broken, devastated souls before it is too late. Help them all. Do not even turn away a single person. A strong, powerful, just and fair nation would help as many as possible. Help every one. No, locking them into a refugee (internment) camp with horrific living conditions is not what I have in mind.

Maybe we wouldn't fear the "refugees" if we knew they were actually legit. I wish there was someone who could do things like background checks, but it seems everyone is too scared of being called the dreaded R-word.

[jtucci31]

I disagree that the immigration comparison between Mexicans (legal or not) and Islamic refugees is fair.  The melting pot idea in America is alive and well and most people are happy to accept people of all different origins.  It is trendy to eat ethnic foods and watch soccer and basically do everything that isn't traditional Americana.

The Trump wall thing lost a ton of steam and a minority of people actually buy into this crap.  However, letting refugees from radical countries without known backgrounds into a country is a legitimate concern.

(2) Let the goddamn refugees in. Fear should NEVER trump  humanitarian needs. Fear should NEVER trump skewed perceptions of danger. We are morally bankrupt cowards when our policies are driven by fear. Help the broken, devastated souls before it is too late. Help them all. Do not even turn away a single person. A strong, powerful, just and fair nation would help as many as possible. Help every one. No, locking them into a refugee (internment) camp with horrific living conditions is not what I have in mind.

(3) Our own corporations and politicians have DEVASTATED the American worker (through anti-Union policies, etc. etc.) FAR MORE than the "threat" of immigrant workers. The fact that "union" is a dirty word shows how ignorant and utterly clueless the average American is.  Hmmm... The American worker has been exploited for decades by corporations and allow the elite to reap all the benefits...but instead of identifying *that* as the problem (labor has no power), we blame immigrants. We are fucking idiots.

Well said esteban. I can't stand anti-union bullshit by seemingly wealthy incompetent government officials who have enough money to practically support an entire state on their own, then claim "we are just trying to help and reduce debt". It's infuriating to say the least, I've seen my mother go through it for years.

You and Zeta touched on the immigrant thing well, I think. I couldn't have said it better myself

[esteban]

I disagree that the immigration comparison between Mexicans (legal or not) and Islamic refugees is fair.  The melting pot idea in America is alive and well and most people are happy to accept people of all different origins.  It is trendy to eat ethnic foods and watch soccer and basically do everything that isn't traditional Americana.

The Trump wall thing lost a ton of steam and a minority of people actually buy into this crap.  However, letting refugees from radical countries without known backgrounds into a country is a legitimate concern.

(1) America was founded by radical extremists. Just ask George II and George III.

(2) Let the goddamn refugees in. Fear should NEVER trump  humanitarian needs. Fear should NEVER trump skewed perceptions of danger. We are morally bankrupt cowards when our policies are driven by fear. Help the broken, devastated souls before it is too late. Help them all. Do not even turn away a single person. A strong, powerful, just and fair nation would help as many as possible. Help every one. No, locking them into a refugee (internment) camp with horrific living conditions is not what I have in mind.

Maybe we wouldn't fear the "refugees" if we knew they were actually legit. I wish there was someone who could do things like background checks, but it seems everyone is too scared of being called the dreaded R-word.

I think you missed my point: every single broken soul deserves our help. They are *all* "legit", even if their paperwork (ha!) isn't in order, even if they have different political/social/moral/ethical beliefs than me (or the average American, or European, or __________). Even if they openly oppose ________.

Why?

Because humanity.

Why?

Why ask why? Drink Bud Dry.



ASIDE: Anyway, the horrific oppression/crimes perpetrated in the name of Stopping Evil Communism are too numerous to list. And we are still dealing with the repercussions.

Surely we can see that Stopping Evil Islam is the same path to hell?

Literally. The. Same. Path. To. Hell.

Surely we can learn not to repeat our savagery*.



* I am referring, of course, to the greatest crime against humanity perpetrated by Americans: Budweiser/Bud Light/Bud Dry (R.I.P.)**





** Why do I suspect that more people will be more offended by my mocking of Budweiser? Folks may hate my political views, but they will probably ignore it. But teasing folks about Bud? Yet another reason for HUAC 2016! I would be called before the House Un-American Activities Committee, even though I don't think Bud*** is any worse than a lot of mild beers from around the globe.






*** I have been fantasizing about Bud Dry for the past few years. Some may attribute it to nostalgia. I would attribute it to successful marketing + genetic evolution of the human species. Those old commercials from my youth became part of my neural network. My DNA. My identity. Me. I wasn't old enough to drink alcohol when Bud Dry was introduced, and I feel that I have been cheated by Time. By the Cosmos. By Fate. Maybe this is the true reason I resent Budweiser—unfulfilled desires. I am not entirely joking. For want of Bud Dry. To savor and sip a Bud Dry, circa 1989, is something I can never attain. Never. The hole in my soul will never be filled, patched or mended. To savor a bottle of Bud Dry whilst playing my brand new Legendary Axe for TG-16.... I could die happy if I did it once. The Cosmos is Cruel. This morning my daughter said, "Why do we live in perpetual fear?" To which I replied automatically, unthinkingly—like a monk in a monastery: "Why ask why? Drink Bud Dry."

Amen.

[geise]

Don't worry este.  I hate any beer with Bud relations.

_{Except Tequiza.  I kid of course .  It is literally cat piss.}

[SignOfZeta]

It's been a long time since I liked an Estaban post that much and I'm glad to be reminded of how much we have in common since I agree with all of what he said except for the stuff about beer because beer is gross.

[SignOfZeta]

Native genocide, proxy armies, political assassinations, no-fly zones, Chile, Cambodia, Panama, Greneda, Hondouras...death is a US export second only to superhero movies and fat. None of this is what we were taking about though, so I guess we'll just stop wasting each other's time pretending we want to have an actual conversation.

You, sir, are a miserable, cynical, depressing, realist, with a very negative view of the last XX years of world politics.

I'd love to buy you a beer and have a good evening's argument over our (marginally) different views of the world. 

Mass graves. What's you're opinion on them? Do you understand how many of them exist in the US?

There is no such thing as an innocent country. We all know that. Take Japan for example, maybe the most child-like and pacifist nation on earth today but with a list of atrocities longer than a severed arm.

The US is a great place and I'm glad to live here but our history is fucking DARK and, unlike Germany, Japan, the UK, etc we never got "busted" for anything. We've gotten away with everything. Apologize for nothing. Pay reparations to no one. Who is there to punish us for two illegal invasions of Iraq for totally fabricated reasons? The UN is theoretically suposed to do that but the sure fire proof that we are the only super power left is that nobody does anything about our fuckups. We don't even have to worry about Soviets or Chinese rushing to take over our mess anymore. "There ain't no justice, just U.S." No one has ever made us eat our own shit and as a nation we have the total lack of humility to go with it. The last major nation to ditch slavery, the first and only to use a nuke. And we loved it so much we did it again as soon as we could. Nowhere near repentant, rather people are actually *proud* that a couple hundred thousand civilians were destroyed with the push of a button. The same people who supposedly loathe terrorism...but it isn't terrorism if your terrorists have the budget to paint a flag on the bomb. You know the guys. They'll respond to this post as predictably as they buy fake American cars and lower the volume of their voice just before they say something stupid.

Hopefully someday the US will be at least half as great as so many people think it is. Our glory days however are in the future. There is very very little to be proud of in the past and where it it found its usually coming from fighting the status quo, never embracing it. The people who went to jail are our real heroes, not some some slave owning tax dodgers from the 18th century.

"The greatest Americans have not been born yet. They are waiting for the past to die."  - Saul Williams

[esteban]

Don't worry este.  I hate any beer with Bud relations.

_{Except Tequiza.  I kid of course .  It is literally cat piss.}

So true. So true.

And I usually like cat piss.

It's been a long time since I liked an Estaban post that much and I'm glad to be reminded of how much we have in common since I agree with all of what he said except for the stuff about beer because beer is gross.

Ha!

I wonder how you feel about my Pro-arpeggio (PROARP) stance?

It seems like the Anti-arpeggio (ANTARP) folks are motivated by xenophobia; indeed support for ANTARP is growing every year amongst folks in the Americas.

Arpeggios deserve our love! We can't turn our backs on them!

Thank you.

[elmer]

* I am referring, of course, to the greatest crime against humanity perpetrated by Americans: Budweiser/Bud Light/Bud Dry (R.I.P.)**

And then there's Anheuser-Busch's decades long attempt to stop the original Czech brewer of Budweiser beer, (that exported it to America before Anheuser-Busch took the name and made their own piss-poor copy), from actually using the trademark "Budweiser".

Typical American hubris.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budweiser_Budvar_Brewery

It's been a long time since I liked an Estaban post that much and I'm glad to be reminded of how much we have in common since I agree with all of what he said except for the stuff about beer because beer is gross.

Beer can be absolutely great!

Just not the cheap-to-manufacture sour fizzy yellow cat's pee that's foisted on the American public by the big brewing companies.

"The King of Beers" ... hahahaha! 

BTW ... the original "Budweiser Budvar", or "Czechvar" here, is actually a very good beer, if you like that style of lager, containing all the richness and flavor that Anheuser-Busch threw away in their mania to use ingredients that are as-cheap-as-possible, and to replace "quality" with "marketing".

[esteban]

@elmer: Yes...like CocaCola, we have $$$$  diverted to marketing instead of quality ingredients.

Of course, I love Diet Coke.

GUILTY!

[SuperDeadite]

In the USA we still honor Columbus Day.....

[TurboXray]

In the USA we still honor Columbus Day.....

Not only that, but when I was a kid - grade school atmosphere made him out to be a hero! Why did people celebrate this guy? He's part a history, not something necessarily to celebrate or hero-tize.

[SignOfZeta]

In the USA we still honor Columbus Day.....

Not only that, but when I was a kid - grade school atmosphere made him out to be a hero! Why did people celebrate this guy? He's part a history, not something necessarily to celebrate or hero-tize.

Because if you take all the dicks out of a history book it gets really really thin.

I'll have to have "arp" defined specifically in order to issue an opinion from the bench. Are we talking about the dozens of uses of "arpegio" that have existed in popular music for centuries or that one thing that C64s do where they rapidly fluctuate the pitch to make it sound like there's more the one oscillator?

I'm big into the first one, mildly enthusiastic on the second.

[esteban]

Thank you, Zeta.

Your PROARP comrades embrace you.