My Ultimate TurboGrafx-16 CD package up for Grabs - Now $100 cheaper!

[Anthony1]

OK, this is a really hard thing for me to do. I'm basically putting my most prized video game item up for sale. Why am I selling it ? It's a long story. But rest assured it has to do with finances, and needing to come up with money, and not having any money. This is my ultimate TurboGrafx-16 package.

This package basically lets me play any HuCard, American or Japanese, as well as any CD game, Super CD game or Arcade CD game in glorious RGB. How does this all work? Well, first off, you start with a regular base TurboGrafx-16 system. Then you send that system off, to get it RGB modded on the side. It's important to have the RGB mod on the side of the unit, because whenever you add that TG-16 unit to a CD system and the docking station, you need the RGB output on the side, so you'll get RGB from the CD games too. So, you send it off, and get it RGB modded on the side. Now you can play American TG-16 HuCards in RGB.

But what about Japanese Hu cards? Ok, so now you ship out your TG-16 again, and you get it region modded, with a button on the front. This way, you can play both Japanese and American Hu cards. Now, it's time for some CD action. So you add a CD unit, and a docking station, and the incredibly expensive AC Adapter that powers the docking station. The famous HES-ACA-02. So now, you can actually play US Hu cards, Japanese Hu cards, as well as US CD's and Japanese CD's in beautiful RGB.

But wait.... What about Super CD's, and even Arcade CD's? So, the only way you can play Arcade CD's, is with an Arcade Card Pro. So I had to search for one of those. A complete one, is a pricey son-of-a-bitch on Ebay, but I got one. Now, all I have to do is pop in the Arcade Card Pro Hu card, push the button in for Japanese, and Voila!, I'm playing Sapphire on Arcade CD in glorious RGB!

So, that's basically what this package is all about. If you're a turbo lover, and you want to experience everything that the Turbo has to offer (short of SuperGrafx HuCards), then you can't get a better package than this, and best of all, this package allows you to enjoy your games in the crystal clarity that only RGB can provide. I mean, let's face it... if you're going to spend the big bucks on TG-16 stuff, and all the rare Super CD's and all that crap, you might as well go the full 9 yards, and experience it all with the best color and detail imaginable. There is nothing on this planet like playing Dracula X on a top of the line Sony PVM RGB monitor

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Here is the RGB mod on the side of the TG-16 unit. Apparently, nobody is doing RGB mods on TG-16's or Duo's anymore. At least that's what another DP member told me. I guess if you want to see Turbo Love in RGB, your options are limited.

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Here is the button for the Region Mod. Cost a pretty penny, but well worth it. You push the button in to use Japanese Hu cards, and push the button out for USA Hu cards. Pretty simple.

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Here is a picture of the total package. I'm also including a Super CD game. F1 Team Simulation Project F. It's a R3 game, and is complete and mint.

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Here is another picture of the package.


OK, now, in regards to pricing. I'm basically just trying to get the same amount of money that I paid for everything. The problem is, everything was expensive as fuck in the beginning. All these pieces were bought individually, and I had to pay shipping on all of them. When I got the RGB mod, I had to ship my TG-16 out, and then ship it back. When I got the region mod, the same thing. I had to pay shipping from Japan to get the Arcade Card Pro. So, everything was pretty damn pricey. The freaking AC Adapter was probably the most difficult thing to actually find. I had to buy a whole other TG-16 CD package, just to get the damn thing. Not to long ago, I saw a HES-ACA-02 sell for about $55 on Ebay. Just for a freaking power adapter! Anyways, here is how the pricing breaks down:

TurboGrafx-16 unit (paid $25 shipped)
Docking Station for CD unit and base unit (paid $40 shipped)
CD unit (paid $65 shipped)
HES-ACA-02 power adapter (paid $35 shipped)
RGB mod for base unit (paid $65, including shipping to and fro)
Region Mod for base unit (paid $55, including shipping to and fro)
Arcade Card Pro complete (paid $55 shipped from Japan)
F1 Team Simulation ProjectF  - complete - R3 - (paid $15 shipped)
Shipping of this package to anywhere in the lower 48 states plus insurance - $30
Extra fee for personal heartache and suffering because I won't have this anymore - $15

Total = $400

So the total is 400 smackers. I actually paid $355 for all this stuff originally, when all the various shipping costs are factored in. Shipping is $30, but it will include insurance for $400, and it will be packed like it's going to land on the moon. The extra $15 is just for my personal heartache. Basically, it's going to take $400 to pry this from my cold dead hands.

[SignOfZeta]

I think you are going to need another way to come up with $400 you need.

[nat]

Yeah, no kidding.

You can get a TG-CD console complete for like $100, and that wouldn't even be a "great" deal. An Arcade Card Pro might be $50 on a bad day or from game_squad's eBay store. I think I paid $35 or something for mine.

Those mods surely aren't worth another $250....

It's always nice to make your money back on something like this, but you need to be realistic.

[Anthony1]

Yeah, no kidding.

You can get a TG-CD console complete for like $100, and that wouldn't even be a "great" deal. An Arcade Card Pro might be $50 on a bad day or from game_squad's eBay store. I think I paid $35 or something for mine.

Those mods surely aren't worth another $250....

It's always nice to make your money back on something like this, but you need to be realistic.

You can get a complete TG-16 CD package for $100? Where?

Check this out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280140690007

I sold that a little while back. That was my backup system, in case my primary system had a problem. Of course, it didn't have a RGB mod, or a region mod, or an Arcade Card Pro or even a System 3.0 card, or even the expensive as fuck adapter needed to power the docking station combo, and I got a total of $125 for it. The guy that bought it, had to pay another $25 to get a radio shack Adapter to simply power the thing, and also needed to pay more to get a System 3.0 card to play Super CD's. Also, that TG-16 CD unit couldn't stand games on CD-R for some reason. It played retail games just fine, but would only play 1 out of 10 CD-R games for some weird reason.

If I could get a complete TG-16 CD setup, and it actually had the AC Adapter needed to power the combo, and a System 3.0 card, for $100, then that would be a freaking dream come true. I had no idea that prices had fallen that much in just a month.

Still, regarding this package I'm selling, I could easily get $300 for this. But I'm trying to get back what I spent on it. I think you are dramatically underestimating how hard it is to get somebody to do a RGB mod on a TG-16, so that it will play both Hu cards and CD games in RGB. I know there are people out there that mod Duo's for RGB, but many Duo's don't like backups, and if you want to play games like Sapphire and Dracula X in RGB, and you're not made of money, then this is the better way to go. Also, I've heard that many of the people out there that used to mod TG-16 related systems for RGB, have retired, or are only doing S-Video mods. S-Video is nice and all, but once you've seen Dracula X in RGB on a top of the line Sony PVM monitor, there is no going back.

 $400 is definitely high, but it's like I'm selling my first born child. I'm not going to part with it for any old measly amount of money. Either I'm getting top dollar for it, or I'll just hold onto it. If nobody wants to buy it for what I'm asking, that's perfectly fine.

[SignOfZeta]

You are right about most of that stuff. However the TG-16+CD combo is basically the stupidest system to buy if you want to play these games. Starting with a Duo R is so much more logical, and those are like $120, maybe. Add an Arcade Card Duo for $30, and skip the region switch entirely because US releases are pretty much pointless. If you already have a US HuCard collection its probably cheaper to just buy a TG-16 to play them on than it is the mod a system. That would easily leave you with $200 left over, much more than an RGB mod would cost.

That's the frugal way to go, anyway. I'm sure there are people with a poor enough cash-to-brains ratio to buy your set-up for $400, I just think its crazy to try to charge people for shipping the system to the same hacker twice, or making a big deal out of having the original power supply (which is probably on death's door anyway), things like that.

Its not that it isn't worth $400 exactly, its just that if one really just wants to play Dracula X in RGB they could do it for less than that, even with a legit copy of the game, and personally I think the TG-16+CD is a really huge awkward, and and ugly set-up compared to the cheaper, more plentiful, and much nicer looking Japanese consoles.

[nat]

Yeah, no kidding.

You can get a TG-CD console complete for like $100, and that wouldn't even be a "great" deal. An Arcade Card Pro might be $50 on a bad day or from game_squad's eBay store. I think I paid $35 or something for mine.

Those mods surely aren't worth another $250....

It's always nice to make your money back on something like this, but you need to be realistic.

You can get a complete TG-16 CD package for $100? Where?

Here or the Turbo List, primarily. Most people seriously into NEC gaming are conscious of the inflated prices on eBay and thus generally avoid it like the plague, except as a last resort. A great number (most?) of Turbo items on eBay are ridiculously overpriced and do not portray an accurate market value. The sad thing is that a vast majority of people now consider these overpriced items posted on eBay by sellers trying to gouge as an accurate assessment of value.

Case in point, there is currently a seller on eBay selling a copy of the Japanese version of Bonk 3 for $199.99. That is out of this world ridiculous considering that game is no rarer than any other Japanese HuCard. A fair price for that particular item is probably close to $20. What makes this even sadder is that someone will actually eventually buy it.

Occasionally a good deal will spring up on eBay but that tends to be the exception rather than the rule, anymore.

Check this out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280140690007

I sold that a little while back. That was my backup system, in case my primary system had a problem. Of course, it didn't have a RGB mod, or a region mod, or an Arcade Card Pro or even a System 3.0 card, or even the expensive as fuck adapter needed to power the docking station combo, and I got a total of $125 for it.

That page says the auction ended at $99.99, which is right in line with the $100 figure I quoted earlier, so.... I'm not sure what your point is here other than to prove my point? 

It should be noted, however, that including that carrying case as you did tends to drive up the value a bit. In my earlier assessment of "complete TG-CD" I wasn't considering the carrying case, only the console hardware and peripherals.

The guy that bought it, had to pay another $25 to get a radio shack Adapter to simply power the thing,

Well, that was his bad. That $99.99 should've included an AC adapter, generic or otherwise. Still-- $125 isn't out of this world expensive, but I definitely wouldn't pay any more than that. By that point, for (literally) a couple bucks more you could get a Duo instead.

and also needed to pay more to get a System 3.0 card to play Super CD's.

Well, duh! By "complete TG-CD" I meant just that-- the TG-CD originally shipped with the 2.0 card.

Also, that TG-16 CD unit couldn't stand games on CD-R for some reason. It played retail games just fine, but would only play 1 out of 10 CD-R games for some weird reason.

That is a common issue with these decks and really can't be used as something to depreciate their value.

If I could get a complete TG-16 CD setup, and it actually had the AC Adapter needed to power the combo, and a System 3.0 card, for $100, then that would be a freaking dream come true. I had no idea that prices had fallen that much in just a month.

Again, probably not with a 3.0 card... But 2.0 card, sure.

Still, regarding this package I'm selling, I could easily get $300 for this. But I'm trying to get back what I spent on it. I think you are dramatically underestimating how hard it is to get somebody to do a RGB mod on a TG-16, so that it will play both Hu cards and CD games in RGB. I know there are people out there that mod Duo's for RGB, but many Duo's don't like backups, and if you want to play games like Sapphire and Dracula X in RGB, and you're not made of money, then this is the better way to go. Also, I've heard that many of the people out there that used to mod TG-16 related systems for RGB, have retired, or are only doing S-Video mods. S-Video is nice and all, but once you've seen Dracula X in RGB on a top of the line Sony PVM monitor, there is no going back.

 $400 is definitely high, but it's like I'm selling my first born child. I'm not going to part with it for any old measly amount of money. Either I'm getting top dollar for it, or I'll just hold onto it. If nobody wants to buy it for what I'm asking, that's perfectly fine.

All I can say is good luck!

You will probably not find any buyers on these forums because of points I mentioned earlier... But should you decide put it up on eBay for that price I'm sure you'd get a less knowledgeable buyer eventually.

[PCEngineHell]

Sorry man,they are right. TG-16 with CD add on typically only runs you around $100. Sometimes auctions will go for more,but they include games too. Your asking price is too much,it wont fly here,or on ebay at that price.

If you don't believe us check completed auctions,your deck was not the only one sold as of late.

The RGB mod is easy to do on a TG-16,and the info to do so is public knowledge.

Either way,drop the price if you want a sell. Good luck.

[Kitsunexus]

Forget the Turbo for a second, you need to learn how to format a goddamn post to where it's easy to read. A four hundred word paragraph is what I would deem as "not easy on the eyes".

And for $400, I better be able to stick my dick in that thing and become satisfied.

[Turbo D]

I better be able to stick my dick in that thing and become satisfied.

rofl rofl 

[Anthony1]

The only person that is going to buy this for $400, is somebody who understands just how difficult doing a RGB mod on the side of a TG-16 is. I'm not talking about any ordinary RGB mod, that will allow you to view Hu cards in RGB. I'm talking about one, that will allow you to view both Hu cards and CD's in RGB, even when connected to the docking station. If you think this is so easy, then please, by all means, do it yourself, and enjoy the beauty that RGB output provides. Of course, chances are high, that you don't know how to do it. The only guy I know that knows how to do it, is the guy that actually did it. Matthew Ross. Unfortunately, Matthew has retired from the modding scene, and is off to bigger and better things. The only other guy I know that might be able to pull it off, is D-Lite, and unless I'm mistaken, D-Lite has never done this particular mod. His specialty is with Duo's. Again, for people that don't want to pay ridiculous prices for all the rare Super CD's and Arcade Cd's, you need a unit that will play backups without issue. Unfortunately, it seems that many Duo's don't seem to like backups very much. There are a few that do, but most don't. Some will play certain backups, but not others. It's quite strange really. But TG-16 with the add on units seem to play backups very well. At least most of them do. I did have one that didn't like backups at all, it was the previous one that I sold above. But the one that I have, plays backups flawlessly, all of them. Again, I know some people hate the very mention of backups, but there are others that have no problem with that, and they are strickly gamers, and not collectors, and they just want to play the damn game. And they want to experience it in glorious RGB. Now, certainly, the number of people walking around planet Earth that fit into that category is slim, but I'm sure there are a few people out there that fit this description. For those people, this is an ideal solution, because unless they can travel the ends of the earth searching for Matthew Ross, and pulling him out of retirement, then I don't know who the hell they are going to get to do this mod.

You say the mod is public knowledge, and so is building a nuclear bomb, but just because something is public knowledge, doesn't mean everyone has the skills necessary or can find somebody with the skills necessary. Now, if you have no interest whatsoever in playing backups, and you are only interested in the real deal, then sure, go ahead and buy a Duo, and find somebody that can do a RGB mod on a Duo. There are people out there that can, if you look hard enough. But if you want to play backups in RGB, this is the better option, cause I've known people that have gone through 4 and 5 duo's looking for one that will consistently load backups, and I didn't want to deal with that mess.

Also, the TG-16 CD combo doesn't look bad at all, in fact it looks pretty cool when it is all combined and snapped together. Of course, it's personal preference.

Sure, if somebody really wanted to go the 9 yards, and turn over every stone, and work diligently at getting this exact kind of setup, they might be able to save $150 off what I'm charging, but the key word is might. This might be falling on deaf ears, because again, if you haven't played the best super cd's in all their RGB glory, then of course you would think I'm absolutely out of my mind to be asking for such money. Anyone that isn't a hardcore RGB fanatic should totally avoid this package like the plague. It's definitely way overpriced for any non-RGB enthusiast. Hardcore RGB enthusiasts that have done reasearch on getting their TG-16 RGB modded on the side for both Hu cards and CD's, will understand where I'm coming from. Even then, those people might think I'm charging about $50 too much, but hey, a man can charge what he wants, and if nobody wants to buy, then he will quickly discover that he is charging way to much, and he will either adjust his price accordingly, or maybe he will decide that he would rather just keep his prized possession than sell it below what he "perceives" the value to be.

[SignOfZeta]

I could easily do an RGB mod on a TG-16, Duo, or otherwise. What I can't afford right now its any sort of display with RGB inputs that will synch with an NTSC refresh rate, or an XRGBII. That's the hard part.

Even if the TG-16 RGB mod "on the side" (like fries) is so hard (and I'm not sure why it would be, the signal is pulled off the same chip in any NEC system) then that's just one more reason to buy a Duo in the first pace and avoid the TG-16.

As for the Duo's not playing CD-Rs, that's just anecdotal/superstition. I've had two Duos, neither of which have had trouble with CD-Rs. If I'm not mistaken, the drive in any NEC system is the same. I could be wrong about that though.

[SignOfZeta]

Most people seriously into NEC gaming are conscious of the inflated prices on eBay and thus generally avoid it like the plague, except as a last resort.

Are you just talking about US releases? I ask because...I buy shit on eBay constantly, more than any other place, and I very rarely pay more that $20 for a game. Usually more like $8,

[PCEngineHell]

http://www.gamesx.com/rgbadd/duorgb.php

There you go guy,see,not so hard,and def not worth $400. Also,more then just Dean do mods.

[nat]

Most people seriously into NEC gaming are conscious of the inflated prices on eBay and thus generally avoid it like the plague, except as a last resort.

Are you just talking about US releases? I ask because...I buy shit on eBay constantly, more than any other place, and I very rarely pay more that $20 for a game. Usually more like $8,

US stuff primarily, yes.

Japanese stuff is more often reasonable priced but is still affected by the same ridiculous inflation. See my Bonk 3 example earlier.

Maybe I'm used to being spoiled-- I had a friend that lived in Tokyo and he would be shit for me from the streets of Akihabara and send it to me bulk. What you pay $8 for on eBay I paid $1 for. Last year I got a complete PC-FX and a complete SuperGrafx for just over $100, total.

Personally, I avoid eBay except as a last resort. If you're willing to spend a little time, reasonable deals are out there. I'm not looking to go broke over my hobby so I'm willing to put in the time needed to find a good deal.

I'm not saying it's impossible to find a decent deal on eBay, but you can't ignore the gouging that runs rampant. Usually the only good deals I find on eBay are auctions that fly under the radar where bidding ends lower than it normally would.

Why pay $8 for a game I could get for half that or even less? Then I could buy TWO games for the same price. But it all really comes down to how you value your time & money, I guess.

As for the Duo's not playing CD-Rs, that's just anecdotal/superstition. I've had two Duos, neither of which have had trouble with CD-Rs. If I'm not mistaken, the drive in any NEC system is the same. I could be wrong about that though.

No, the TG-CD decks use a different laser than the Duos.

Anyone that isn't a hardcore RGB fanatic should totally avoid this package like the plague. It's definitely way overpriced for any non-RGB enthusiast. Hardcore RGB enthusiasts that have done reasearch on getting their TG-16 RGB modded on the side for both Hu cards and CD's, will understand where I'm coming from. Even then, those people might think I'm charging about $50 too much, but hey, a man can charge what he wants, and if nobody wants to buy, then he will quickly discover that he is charging way to much, and he will either adjust his price accordingly, or maybe he will decide that he would rather just keep his prized possession than sell it below what he "perceives" the value to be.

Unfortunately for us, the dollar value we attachment to our sentimental items doesn't necessarily translate well into what someone else is willing to pay. 

[Kitsunexus]

LOL GUYZ IM SELLING MY MODDED PIKACHU N64 THAT COMES WITH SUPER MARIO 64 FOR ONLY $700! IT'S A STEAL AT THAT PRICE BECAUSE IT HAS THE EXPANDED 4MB MEMORY CART! HAVE YOU EVER TRIED TO PUT THAT THING IN? YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE JAWS OF LIFE TO PULL THE OLD ONE OUT AND IF YOU DONT PUT THE NEW ONE IN RIGHT IT WONT WORK! SO THAT'S EASILY $200 RIGHT THERE, FOLKS.


I ALSO TOOK OUT ALL THE SCREWS AND TAPED IT TOGETHER WITH DUCT-TAPE! ANYBODY WHO ISN'T A HARDCORE DUCT-TAPE ENTHUSIAST SHOULD AVOID THIS LIKE THE PLAGUE, OR HERPES. IF YOU DON'T BUY THIS I'M JUST GONNA KEEP IT, K?

ALSO IF YOU ORDER BY THURSDAY I WILL THROW IN A FREE DVD OF "LISA'S POPCORN PARTY".

[NecroPhile]

Did you use some cool blue or yellow colored duct tape to match?  If not, then it's only worth $600 to $650 tops. 

[Keranu]

ALSO IF YOU ORDER BY THURSDAY I WILL THROW IN A FREE DVD OF "LISA'S POPCORN PARTY".

SWEET! I'M GETTING IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PCEngineHell]

I don't know,I have never once seen one duct taped together in my life,that means this is probably more rare then even the ultra rare TG-16 on this thread with its very hard near impossible to do RGB mod. Even if Matthew Ross left the scene. I mean,what if Kitsunexus leaves,then we wont have anyone left who can do duct tape mods either....


On a  more serious note:
Anthony1,I bet you prob wish now you didn't even bother wasting the time to join now that you realize you wont get any suckers here to buy your warez. You will find that there are plenty of modders here and on the Neo forums that can do the RGB mod,and use more then just a db15 port.Also,the s-video mod is just about as good,RGB isn't light years ahead in clarity on that system and not many people even use old normal c64 like RGB monitors or anything along those lines. Seriously,you should have checked our mod threads here before assuming we are all a incapable bunch of tools. Yea not everyone here does system mods,but there are enough here and there to go around.

[Anthony1]

So, I guess it's native custom on these boards to shit on other peoples buying and selling threads? Seriously. Ok, so you all think this is way overpriced. That's perfectly fine. I've clicked on many selling threads and thought the person was overcharging ridiculously for an item. That doesn't mean I click on the reply or quote button and shit on the guy's thread.

My second issue, is that everybody seems to claim this mod is so fricking easy. If it was really this easy, there would be other packages available that does exactly what my package does. Please, pretty, pretty please, find me a link, to somebody selling a TG-16 package, here, on neo-geo.com, or any other board, that is more than $100 cheaper than this package "shipped", and I'll eat crow. BUT REMEMBER, I'm talking about matching my package feature for feature. So their package would have to do this:

Allow you to play both USA and Japanese HU cards in RGB on the same device (not hooking up two seperate devices)
Allow you to play regular CD's, Super CD's and arcade CD's in the exact same device in RGB as well
Plays all backups FLAWLESSLY, not sometimes, not most of the time, not every once in awhile, but FLAWLESSLY (cause most likely, you're going to show me a region modded Duo with a RGB mod, that may or may not play backups consistently, cause like I said before, I've known people that went thru 4 and 5 duo's before finding one that would play backups "CONSISTENTLY".) The key word is consistently.

See, the thing is, I've already been offered $300 shipped for this. But that would mean that I was selling it for $270, and then paying $30 to ship it. And for me, I'd rather keep it, than sell it for $270. So I declined the offer. The person that made the offer, obviously understood what I'm talking about from a RGB and backup playing standpoint, and this person wanted a way to play Arcade CD's and Japanese Hu cards in RGB, in one device, without having to have a seperate Core Grafx or anything else. You might think I'm crazy to turn down an offer for $300 shipped, but it didn't even cross my mind to consider accepting it.

[PCEngineHell]

Who was this person.....and for that matter,if they are real they even kinda prove our point,they only offered 3/4 your asking price,and as for the total package goes,most of the people around here just buy the base unit and send it to someone to do the mod,or they do it themselves. Its cheaper this way,esp to get the more reliable Duo-R and have the mod done to it. And yea,its pretty custom if the seller jumps aboard,makes this his only posting thread,and acts like no one can do the mod and hes got solid fucking gold in his hands. Also,Dean is continuing to do the switchless region mod,which looks worlds better as it is hidden. In other words your not offering much here.
http://www.multimods.com/modsales.html
I am pretty sure Dean is still doing all this,and the RGB mod is easier/cheaper then the s-video one.
 And ......

Edit:
Also,btw I see your not actually including the RGB cable used. Nor have you mentioned the pin out of the DB15 there so someone can make their own cable for it if by chance they got suckered into buying it. Not every RGB input or cable is the same so having the pin out really helps. And the breakdown you did seemed kinda odd,its not that hard to get a complete TG-16 cd deck,you portray it all as being hard,having to buy it all in parts here and there.If this is really what you did then you blew your own money and time. And yea,arcade card pros can fetch a tad,but if you shop around you can get a deal,esp from Toshi. Also it would be nice to see this running on your top of the line Sony PVM RGB monitor. Please provide pics?

[PCEngineHell]

I totally dig how this guy says back up,he totally reeks of cheapskate cd-r player.

[CrackTiger]

My second issue, is that everybody seems to claim this mod is so fricking easy. If it was really this easy, there would be other packages available that does exactly what my package does. Please, pretty, pretty please, find me a link, to somebody selling a TG-16 package, here, on neo-geo.com, or any other board, that is more than $100 cheaper than this package "shipped", and I'll eat crow. BUT REMEMBER, I'm talking about matching my package feature for feature. So their package would have to do this:

Allow you to play both USA and Japanese HU cards in RGB on the same device (not hooking up two seperate devices)
Allow you to play regular CD's, Super CD's and arcade CD's in the exact same device in RGB as well
Plays all backups FLAWLESSLY, not sometimes, not most of the time, not every once in awhile, but FLAWLESSLY (cause most likely, you're going to show me a region modded Duo with a RGB mod, that may or may not play backups consistently, cause like I said before, I've known people that went thru 4 and 5 duo's before finding one that would play backups "CONSISTENTLY".) The key word is consistently.

See, the thing is, I've already been offered $300 shipped for this. But that would mean that I was selling it for $270, and then paying $30 to ship it. And for me, I'd rather keep it, than sell it for $270. So I declined the offer. The person that made the offer, obviously understood what I'm talking about from a RGB and backup playing standpoint, and this person wanted a way to play Arcade CD's and Japanese Hu cards in RGB, in one device, without having to have a seperate Core Grafx or anything else. You might think I'm crazy to turn down an offer for $300 shipped, but it didn't even cross my mind to consider accepting it.

Unfortunately, an RGB mod is mainly only of use to Europeans and anyone wanting to take advantage of it in North America would have to spend more money on a transcoder and cables. S-Video and soon Component mods are much more sought after and therefore more valuable to most PC Engine players.

Here's D-Lite's recent modded system thread. I think that most of the Duo packages have already sold though. His Duo-R's with Blue LED, Region, S-Video, Composite & Stereo mods are $275 shipped. It may not be the same feature for feature, in that he's not selling Turbo CD-ROMs, but Turbo CD combos are actually less sought after than Duo's and are more of a collectible than a practical gaming setup.

Some old Duos can have problems with CDRs, same with Turbo & PCE CD-ROM combos. It depends on how used the unit's laser is and replacements are now available cheap and can be installed by modding noobs like myself.

Its also unfortunate that people started negatively commenting on your sale thread. If everyone here really knows what your package is really worth, then there was no reason to 'warn' people about it. If I had caught this thread sooner and had wanted to give you an idea of what I think its really worth, I would've PM'd you about it.

Either way I understand only considering parting with a prized possesion at a price point that makes it worthwhile to you.

[PCEngineHell]

And if you want peoples respect,don't join  a board just to make a quick sell. Your a unknown. Also don't assume that people there can't do mods,esp me,Gutts,Joe I think,and others here,alot of us can,even your RGB mod which is actually one of the easiest ones to do. If you would have taken time to join the community first and learn about us here you would have realized this. We have a entire area dedicated to mods and repairs here:
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?board=19.0

[Turbo D]

He would have also  saved money 

[PCEngineHell]

So true.Well,he posted this on the Neo forums too,offering to include "free" bootleg of Dracula X it seems. Very interesting....

[Anthony1]

Also,btw I see your not actually including the RGB cable used. Nor have you mentioned the pin out of the DB15 there so someone can make their own cable for it if by chance they got suckered into buying it. Not every RGB input or cable is the same so having the pin out really helps.  Also it would be nice to see this running on your top of the line Sony PVM RGB monitor. Please provide pics?

/Anthony1fromDP/Picture100.jpg

Regarding, the RGB cable, that would all be worked out with the buyer. If somebody is coughing up 400 smackers, it's not like I'm going to leave them in the lurch. The cable that I would include, would depend on how they are going to be using it. Would they be primarily using it with a XRGB2+, or a Sony PVM 25 pin, or a Sony PVM 4 BNC connector, or a Commodore 1084, etc, etc. Basically, I would work with the new owner, to make sure they would get the full effect of the RGB out. No way should that output be wasted. That picture up there is the 3rd level of Bonk's Adventure on my Sony PVM-1953MD. Also, somebody mentioned that you need to be in Europe to enjoy RGB, but that's just not true. You simply have to track down a monitor that can sync with the right frequency. Many Sony PVM's, Commodore monitors, a few NEC Multisyncs, Mitsubishi Megaviews, etc, etc can sync with it, and would look excellent. Also, of course, the XRGB2+. I wish I still had the pic of Dracula X running on my projector via the XRGB2+. It was like Dracula X on a 112 inch screen. It was pretty sick, but unfortunately, I think I deleted that pic.

By the way, if anybody is looking for a RGB monitor, and is anywhere near Sacramento, California, then I'm going to be selling a few of them pretty soon. I have 3 different Sony PVM's that I'm going to be selling, including my PVM-1953MD, which looks absolutely sick with both the Turbo in RGB, and the Neo-Geo. Unfortunately, all those damn monitors are way too heavy to ship anywhere, so I'm going to have to sell them locally to someone in the general area. Maybe I'll even drive them up to the Bay Area (San Fran).

So true.Well,he posted this on the Neo forums too,offering to include "free" bootleg of Dracula X it seems. Very interesting....

One thing about backups. Each website has their own take on whether backups should be discussed or not. I normally primarily post at this one site that doesn't allow any talk about backups whatsoever (in the Selling forum). I'm not sure what pcengine-fx.com's policy is on that. But basically, I would never actually sell a backup. Personally, I think it's very bush league to sell backups. But if the person that buys this isn't anti-backups, I could definitely throw some in free, just for convienence sake. Pretty much every game ever made is available for download somewhere on the internet, but it's not always easy to find certain obscure backups to various PC Engine CD and Super CD games.

[Turbo D]

Just for the record, my US duo has always played backups flawlessly. I even burn them at 40x. Ya, if thats not impressive enough, It even plays homebrew games burned on cdr. 

[PCEngineHell]

Actually what CrackTiger said was:

 

Unfortunately, an RGB mod is mainly only of use to Europeans and anyone wanting to take advantage of it in North America would have to spend more money on a transcoder and cables. S-Video and soon Component mods are much more sought after and therefore more valuable to most PC Engine players.

In other words unless you already have all the gear including the RGB monitor,its not very helpful from a financial point of view. The s-video mod is however,almost everyone has a s-video capable tv,and its very close to RGB. The RGB mod is cheap to do,esp compared to the S-video mod if you do have the proper monitor already.

[Anthony1]

Actually what CrackTiger said was:

 

Unfortunately, an RGB mod is mainly only of use to Europeans and anyone wanting to take advantage of it in North America would have to spend more money on a transcoder and cables. S-Video and soon Component mods are much more sought after and therefore more valuable to most PC Engine players.

In other words unless you already have all the gear including the RGB monitor, its not very helpful from a financial point of view. The s-video mod is however, almost everyone has a s-video capable tv,and its very close to RGB. The RGB mod is cheap to do,esp compared to the S-video mod if you do have the proper monitor already.

I hear ya, but I still think that if you're hardcore, and you really want to enjoy the world of Turbo to the fullest extent, then you gotta go RGB, but that's just me. Once you get used to the native analog RGB display of these classic systems, anything less, isn't as fulfilling. But that's just me. Also, different systems, having varying degrees of improvement with RGB output. The Nintendo 64's RGB output, is easilty the most dissapointing. Maybe Sega Master System coming in, as the second most disappointing. On the complete opposite side of the spectrum is the TurboGrafx. It easily gets the biggest boost from RGB of any system I've ever seen in native RGB. The Turbo could just throw so many damn colors on screen at one time, and had a pretty good palette of colors to choose from. Look at that Bonk's Adventure pic above. As impressive as that pic might seem, it's a joke compared to seeing it in person. It's not even close. In person, it absolutely blows you away. I had a S-Video modded Genesis, and that did look pretty good. I would play Genny games and Sega CD games in S-Video, and it was pretty convenient. But RGB was still vastly superior.

It's funny, many people nowadays assume that component would be better than RGB, but they don't realize that RGB actually is superior to component. (With non-progressive scan systems, anyways) RGB has the full bandwidth, component doesn't. Sure they are pretty close, but if you're looking for the ultimate in visual quality, you can't beat RGB. It's the reason XRGB2's and XRGB3's are so freaking expensive. Cause once people see that shit in person, that's all they want.

[Kitsunexus]

The Nintendo 64's RGB output, is easilty the most dissapointing.

OH YEAH SCREW YOU AND YOUR RGB, I HAVE DUCT-TAPE POWERS!   

[PCEngineHell]

RGB on the Turbo is not worlds better then s-video. I mean if you feel it is,thats fine,your opinion,but that comparison has been done too many times,here and elsewhere already and debunked. The most impact it has is on reds,and even then its not so drastic that its worth fronting the amount for a reliable 21 inch RGB monitor,as larger ones are even harder to obtain. It ends up being far more viable and more enjoyable to use a larger then 21 inch tv with s-video. For that matter around here you will find alot of people just fine with composite,and these are real hard core players that actually own the games. We cant really consider you hard core fan enjoying the world of Turbo and all if all you have is alot of "back-ups". Theres more to it there then just having a RGB mod. You might be hard core about your visuals,but thats entirely different.

Here are some more excellent links covering this subject:


https://www.chrismcovell.com/gotRGB/screenshots.html

http://www.sega-16.com/Seeing%20is%20Believing-%20Video%20Connections%202.php

http://superpcenginegrafx.com/wii_video_temp.html

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=2547.0

[Kitsunexus]

And honestly, who cares about having the best visuals from a 20+ year old system anyway? That's like me trying to mod an Atari 2600 for an HD-TV, the better monitors you have,  the more shit it's going to look. It's never going to look as good as when it first came out. I can understand being a graphics whore over Bioshock, but Bonk!? You must be loco. 

[Turbo D]

http://superpcenginegrafx.com/wii_video_temp.html

Hey blacktiger, you've been holding out on us? You never told me of this cool page on your site. I can't access it either except from mike's link.

[D-Lite]

http://superpcenginegrafx.com/wii_video_temp.html

Hey blacktiger, you've been holding out on us? You never told me of this cool page on your site. I can't access it either except from mike's link.

Look at those sexy S-Video shots on that Turbo 

[SignOfZeta]

And honestly, who cares about having the best visuals from a 20+ year old system anyway? That's like me trying to mod an Atari 2600 for an HD-TV, the better monitors you have,  the more shit it's going to look. It's never going to look as good as when it first came out. I can understand being a graphics whore over Bioshock, but Bonk!? You must be loco. 

You are so wrong.

[Ceti Alpha]

Wow! Those screen shots are amazing!  Nice work B_T.

I'm still not sure about a region mod for my North American Duo, but an S-Video mod is a definite must. 

[dojosky]

Hi there ya' all

First of all let me explain that Anthony1 is a LEGIT seller and buyer.

the idea of $400ish price was my suggestion because he tried to sell a RGB modded 3DO over at DP and Neo-geo.com for $350 shipped I LAUGHED AT THE PRICE myself !

But that RGB Modded 3DO system sold by Anthony1 it sold very quickly and I gasped and kicked myself for not buying it from him even though I have RGB monitors oh well ...

so he aimed me and told me that he was gonna put up his most prized video game item I asked him what it was and he told me about his super souped Turbografx-16/CD set up (RGB modded and Region modded). I said wow asked him how much and he paid close to $400 for all of this himself. I told him from what I thought/knew that no one was doing RGB mods anymore but i was DEAD wrong after reading this thread seems like someone do the RGB mods. I know our reliable trustworthy D-LITE do the S-Video and Region Mods all the time !!! Ive seen systems modded by him he does EXCELLENT WORK !!! But I didn't know that he also can do RGB mods but there's a pinout and explaining page at www.gamesx.com not everyone has MAD SOLDERING SKILLS to do that.

so I apologize for telling him to try it for $400 shipped more relaistic would be $300 for that set up ... but he can always ebay it with RESERVE and see how much it goes for !

so that was my FAULT and mistake for telling him to start at $400ish shipped . but from many point of views here that $300 is probably reason but remember the RGB Modded 3DO he sold for $350 I laughed at him for asking $350 for it since i knew there were many people that hated the 3DO  theres few people who love 3DO ... I collect for every systems. BUT IT SOLD SO FAST ! ... so thought maybe people would want to buy the RGB modded turbografx-16/CD. Some people doesn't have a SONY PVM monitors or Commdore RGB monitors that's true. But they can be found almost anywhere ! ....

[Kitsunexus]

OMG... First VSE, now here, n00b influx! It might be time for me to blow this pop stand (and I know most would prefer sooner than later ;) ).

[PCEngineHell]

Probably reason Kits,probably reason.....

[kenomac78]

and here i used to wish my turbo duo had and RF port because it wasnt until 2006 that i even owned a TV that had the red-white-yellow inputs.

it used to confuse me why consoles in the 90s and later even included these because back then i had no idea what they were for!

maybe someone can mod  system for hdmi next

[Turbo D]

I want to mod my ps3 for rf 

[rag-time4]

I want to mod my ps3 for rf 

I have my ps2 connected to my tv via RF....

[Anthony1]

Yeah, I'm going to blame all of this on my friend Don (dojosky), lol. Nah, it's not Don's fault at all. We did talk on Aim, and I was telling him that I was going to put my Turbo package up on the block, and he asked me how much I was going to sell it for. My initial thought, was $300 plus exact shipping. Don, felt that I should shoot for the stars, and go for $400 or even $450, and I kinda thought he was joking around, but he was actually serious. (part of the reason he suggested that I'm sure had to do with the rare RGB modded 3DO I had recently sold) He explained that as far as he knew, nobody was doing these kinds of RGB mods anymore, and that if anybody wanted anything like this now, they would either have to mod it themselves (which for most is pretty difficult), or they would have to go on a crusade to find somebody that could do it. After hearing all of that, and then sitting down and figuring out how much I originally spent on it, I figured, "Ok, might as well shoot for $400 and see what happens". Also, I originally only planned on posting it on the Digital Press buying and selling forums, and maybe the neo-geo.com forums, but Don recommended that I put it on pcenginefx and shmups.com. So all I did was register, and then copy and paste my DP post to those two sites. That obviously turned out to be a mistake, because the experts at those two sites, looked at it, and thought I was some condescending asshat, trying to way overcharge for something, and coming in with only 1 post. Definitely my bad.

None of this is Don's fault, he was just trying to help me out, but it might put this in a bit of perspective. It's all gravy, people make mistakes all the time. My bad, and I hope I didn't offend anybody here with this. I shouldn't have copied and pasted that post. People on the DP website know me well, and they understand my style of posting, and most likely weren't offended in any way by my post, but nobody here or at shmup or even neo-geo.com knows me from Adam. I basically just copied and pasted my original post, and that was the big mistake.

- Anthony

[PCEngineHell]

Actually the bigger mistake was not doing enough research of the communities or the current mod situation. If you would have tried to get to know all of us here prior to this thread you would have thus known better and would have saved  your time and effort,and got a better run down of the current market value which would help lead to a successful sale. Either way good luck.

[CrackTiger]

http://superpcenginegrafx.com/wii_video_temp.html

Hey blacktiger, you've been holding out on us? You never told me of this cool page on your site. I can't access it either except from mike's link.

I've got a ton of new stuff that I'm on the verge of releasing. Probably more content than is currently up on the site. Since its going to be kind of a relaunch with a couple entirely new sections, I'm waiting until a certain amount is ready to unleash it all at once.

[Turbo D]

sweeeet 

[awack]

I've got a ton of new stuff that I'm on the verge of releasing.

Cant wait, hopefully you will be putting up some game comparisons which is always fun.

[nat]

http://superpcenginegrafx.com/wii_video_temp.html

Hey blacktiger, you've been holding out on us? You never told me of this cool page on your site. I can't access it either except from mike's link.

I've got a ton of new stuff that I'm on the verge of releasing. Probably more content than is currently up on the site. Since its going to be kind of a relaunch with a couple entirely new sections, I'm waiting until a certain amount is ready to unleash it all at once.

Just do it already!

[Kitsunexus]

Anthony, I think no one wants to buy the TG-16 CD because your advertisement of it isn't cool enough. Check this:

farm2.static.flickr.com/1159/1405714600_636798649f_o.png

[Turbo D]

Very nice Kitsunexesus  I'll have to hire you next time I want to sell something