Valis strangeness

Tatsujin · 02/11/2008, 10:22 PM

what i never noticed up to day, why valis 1 came out the latest? and in the case "Valis - The Legend Of A Fantasm Soldier" is valis V, what happened to Valis I?

Valis II - The Fantasm Soldier / ヴァリスII THE FANTASM SOLDIER 1989 CD-ROM²
Valis III - The Fantasm Soldier / ヴァリスIII THE FANTASM SOLDIER 1990 CD-ROM²
Valis IV - The Fantasm Soldier / ヴァリスIV THE FANTASM SOLDIER 1991 CD-ROM²
Valis - The Legend Of A Fantasm Soldier / 夢幻戦士ヴァリス 1992 Super CD-ROM²

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nat · 02/11/2008, 10:27 PM

They just ported the first game to the Turbo last, that's all. Why? I have no idea. Maybe at the time they wanted to start porting the games they decided Valis II was better than Valis I and went with that instead. Then, when the series proved popular, they went back and ported the first game. I really don't know. Didn't the Valis series start on the MSX or something?

(And in case you're still in the dark-- yes, that last game is Valis I not Valis V.)

Sinistron · 02/11/2008, 10:43 PM

Its strange for me because I prefer to play and buy them in order. I have Valis I and it'll be strange playing II knowing it came years earlier

CrackTiger · 02/11/2008, 10:59 PM

Quote from: nat on 02/11/2008, 10:27 PMThey just ported the first game to the Turbo last, that's all. Why? I have no idea. Maybe at the time they wanted to start porting the games they decided Valis II was better than Valis I and went with that instead. Then, when the series proved popular, they went back and ported the first game. I really don't know. Didn't the Valis series start on the MSX or something?

(And in case you're still in the dark-- yes, that last game is Valis I not Valis V.)

I believe that at the time of the PCE version's release, Valis II was the newest game in the series. Kinda like how the Genesis got Thunder Force II instead of TF1. After that, I think that III and IV were console exclusives.

runinruder · 02/11/2008, 11:36 PM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 02/11/2008, 10:22 PMwhat i never noticed up to day, why valis 1 came out the latest? and in the case "Valis - The Legend Of A Fantasm Soldier" is valis V, what happened to Valis I?

Valis II - The Fantasm Soldier / ヴァリスII THE FANTASM SOLDIER 1989 CD-ROM²
Valis III - The Fantasm Soldier / ヴァリスIII THE FANTASM SOLDIER 1990 CD-ROM²
Valis IV - The Fantasm Soldier / ヴァリスIV THE FANTASM SOLDIER 1991 CD-ROM²
Valis - The Legend Of A Fantasm Soldier / 夢幻戦士ヴァリス 1992 Super CD-ROM²

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And don't forget about the Valis Visual Collection, a necessary waste of money for Valis fans everywhere.

Quote from: guest on 02/11/2008, 10:59 PMI believe that at the time of the PCE version's release, Valis II was the newest game in the series. Kinda like how the Genesis got Thunder Force II instead of TF1.

I think you're right. Interestingly enough, the PCE version of II is a lot different from the original II, from what I understand.

termis · 02/11/2008, 11:42 PM

Quote from: Sinistron on 02/11/2008, 10:43 PMIts strange for me because I prefer to play and buy them in order. I have Valis I and it'll be strange playing II knowing it came years earlier

Yeah, I try to do this myself when possible, and I've been playing through the whole series lately. If you want to play it in the proper storytelling order, part I (either the original MSX version or the PCE remake) definitely comes first.

I've finished through I-III, and I'm in the middle of part IV now -- I'll write up a short post-thoughts of the series when finished.

rolins · 02/12/2008, 12:10 AM

Quote from: nat on 02/11/2008, 10:27 PMDidn't the Valis series start on the MSX or something?

Valis I were both released in 1986 for the PC-8801 and MSX. The PC-8801 was most likely the original, and overall better than the MSX port.

Tatsujin · 02/12/2008, 12:14 AM

good points there..thanks a lo. unfortunately i never played any of the origin valis(es).

CrackTiger · 02/12/2008, 08:12 AM

I have a flyer for Valis II for PC-88/98 or MSX or something and it is very different than the PCE version. There is a Valis game for famicom that I believe is also different from the original.

ParanoiaDragon · 02/13/2008, 01:07 AM

Another example, is Dragon Knight & Graffiti, which is the first game, but came out on the Turbo after 2 & 3 had come out.

NigazAllucard · 02/14/2008, 08:23 AM

Yeah, I knew that already.. really annoying...
The first VALIS version (VALIS 1) that I played was GENESIS version.And reading about seems to be the pcengine version the worst.
To me is the NES version.

in PC-Engine, of all 4, whats the best valis? I've heard about Valis III to be.

TurboXray · 02/14/2008, 10:05 AM

Quote from: nigazallucard on 02/14/2008, 08:23 AMYeah, I knew that already.. really annoying...
The first VALIS version (VALIS 1) that I played was GENESIS version.And reading about seems to be the pcengine version the worst.
To me is the NES version.

Valis I on the PC-Engine is overall better than the Genesis version in my opinion. If I remember right, the difficulty is higher on the PCE. Some(majority) also prefer the music in the Genesis version over the CD version, who've played both.

nat · 02/14/2008, 11:22 AM

I thought the Genesis port of Valis I blew. The Turbo version is 100x better.

Seldane · 02/14/2008, 01:19 PM

Quote from: nat on 02/14/2008, 11:22 AMI thought the Genesis port of Valis I blew. The Turbo version is 100x better.

Man, they really failed with that game. 100 times better than "blows", and yet it still sucks.

NigazAllucard · 02/15/2008, 10:17 AM

Quote from: Seldane on 02/14/2008, 01:19 PM
Quote from: nat on 02/14/2008, 11:22 AMI thought the Genesis port of Valis I blew. The Turbo version is 100x better.
Man, they really failed with that game. 100 times better than "blows", and yet it still sucks.

So, whats console that best valis 1 resides ? I wanna play!

at that time only genesis version was possible to me...
this night Ill take a deep look on PCE version...

CrackTiger · 02/16/2008, 11:49 AM

What I remember turning me off about the Genesis version when I rented it was having to open up menus to select magic spells/attacks. The PC Engine version is kinda plain, but has nice graphics.

Duo_R · 10/27/2008, 12:40 AM

I read on a website review that the Valis I Fantasm soldier remake was the best of the series. I have only played 2 levels and don't agree. I really enjoyed Valis II, so now I am not sure what to try next. Valis IV always looked cool on the screenshots. How about a ranking in the Duo/PC Engine releases? Right now since I have only played two I would rank:

1 - Valis II
2 - Valis 1 - Fantasm Soldier

termis · 10/27/2008, 03:10 AM

My opinion on this is

IV >= III > I >>>>> II

That is, yeah, I think part II sucked a lot compared to the others. If you care to read about the details of what I thought about the series, here you are:
https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=5167

TR0N · 10/28/2008, 12:24 AM

III>IV

Though i rate II was the lowest while 1 is above it.

The,remake of valis is good dunno but the animation seems arkward as how yoko controlls.

Still i do prefer to play the valis remake more on the pce then on the genesis.

It is a easier version of it

Duo_R · 10/28/2008, 01:21 AM

I think I like Valis for nostalgic reasons, and mainly for the music. So question is should I buy III or IV???

NecroPhile · 10/28/2008, 10:52 AM

Quote from: Duo_R on 10/28/2008, 01:21 AMI think I like Valis for nostalgic reasons, and mainly for the music. So question is should I buy III or IV???

Both. O:)

Duo_R · 10/28/2008, 09:29 PM

ok, so III first then IV for chronological reasons?

termis · 10/29/2008, 02:10 AM

Quote from: Duo_R on 10/28/2008, 09:29 PMok, so III first then IV for chronological reasons?

I'd say that's the way to do it, since part III caps off the Yugo saga of the story.

Part IV is more detached from the other 3 in terms of story (as far as what I understood, anyway).