For anyone who is still waiting for their system/games/mod work from Dean/D-lite

[PCEngineHell]

Ceti informed me today its been  a very long time (weeks) coming now since he has sent Dean his Duo and has got no reply from him to emails sent about when it will be done. There gets to be  a point where too long is simply too much by any standard. I understand the guy is busy,he has kids and  a wife and work,but from that point of view (Im a single father of two myself) I also understand you have to know your limit on what you can and cant do for someone,and be able to let them know or refuse work if you cant do it in a reasonable amount of time. Once you get past the point of 2 weeks its simply just too long a time. Once you get past those 2 weeks and you don't reply to emails,it becomes a worry to the person who sent the hardware in,or sent the money,ect...

This subject involving Dean has come up before because awhile back there was  a couple members who sent him hardware and had been waiting way too long to get a reply from him. Dean finally replied back here,but I feel it was mostly due to the subject being made public. We all like the guy,and I think that is what make it worse. Someone may be afraid to express a concern against him for fear others will get angry at them. You have to move past that feeling. This applies to not just Dean,but anyone here. If you have sent someone money or  a system to be modded,ect,and they don't reply to any emails weeks on end,and the work isn't finished after  a couple of weeks,then there is  a problem. Its a simple as that. Dean may be busy with his personal life,but his personal life is not the problem of the person paying him for  a service,or for a item.

If all you have as a method for contacting him is a email he doesn't answer back on,and a po box where you send the stuff,then you worry even more. You have no real way of reaching the person. As for Dean I have been told he has not been posting on the neo forums in a long while also,so its not like you can reach him there either. due to all this I think its time his contact info be posted,and I think if there are others besides Ceti they should post their issue here so it can be on record and try to resolve it with Dean directly with his home address/number to call if he is not reply to emails anymore.

[Addresses removed]

This should not be necessary,but the trust has been broken once you cant get a reply from the person and its been going on for weeks on end. There are others here now offering the mod services,so if its a matter that Dean cant do it anymore due to time restraints then he can easily send the systems to someone else,Nat,ect.. to finish the job. Its the respectable thing to do then to just duck everyone until he can get around to it. Shouldn't have to be like that,but I think Dean has bitten off more then he can chew simply and these kinda issues need to be taken care of.

[Dragon Warrior Jasen]

You know, back in January I had him do my TG16 and it took a while as well. He was pretty hard to get a hold of at times.

His work though, was FANTASTIC.

[Ceti Alpha]

Ah! You must have been one of the orders Dean was talking about. I sent mine out in January as well. Good to know that he's at least knockin' through them. 

Just out of curiosity when did you get your TG back? I'm just more concerned with knowing a rough time of arrival than having my Duo on my doorstep tomorrow.

[SignOfZeta]

I don't think waiting two weeks for work to be done is bad at all. Not even slightly. Try sending your stuff to Sony, Nintendo, etc. It takes several months and usually all they do in that time is grab a refirb off the shelf and mail that to you. I recently had an air ratchet serviced by Matco and it took two months to come back. I've heard of people waiting for 6 months from Snap On.

I also don't think waiting two weeks for an email is bad. Maybe slightly.

...however...the truth is that from Dean's history I'd say two weeks isn't worst case scenario. I seem to remember people waiting much much longer than that for stuff.

Personally I'm patient with this guy though since he's worth the wait. I do my own mods but his game sales are absolutely the best in the US, and I'll be bummed when he runs out of stock because we'll never seen these prices/quantity again.

[PCEngineHell]

I agree,2 weeks is not bad,but after that there tends to be  a problem. None of us here are Sony,Nintendo,ect,we need to be on a more personal level then that. I have also never heard of that kind of wait time from Nintendo or Sony... Maybe  a month at the most. Nintendos turn around for repairing or replacing Wiis after that one update messup was pretty quick,about 2-3 weeks.

Anyway, if we cant be on a personal level then with fellow members doing repairs or mods then we might as well send our stuff to normal repair shops,ect.. then someone we cant even contact after a certain amount of time goes by and said work isn't finished. We would be just as well off and at least know where the drop off point was and have someone liable to go after if said item isn't returned.

Deans sales with me have been top notch. I don't really think the sales are the problem. I think the main thing is hes taking too many repair/mod orders in,and he cant fill them in a timely manner,and his communication/response times just suck completely and make people worry too much. He simply shouldn't take in more work then he can handle.
Its rough being the person on the waiting end,going weeks/months without their system,and not any replies about when it will be done.

[Sinistron]

I think ceti's actually waited over three months- its the e-mail reply he's been waiting two weeks for.

[PCEngineHell]

Yea,and waiting longer then 2 weeks for the mods/repairs is bad enough,when you get into months,3 months,thats simply too long. I know Deans been by here today (Last Active:Today at 09:43:27 PM),so he needs to take time out and contact our members here who are waiting on stuff and get it figured out that he can either finish the work,or send the stuff to Nat,ect.. to finish the job or send the stuff back to the customer if they want,including Ceti.

[Hobo Xiphas]

This D-Lite fellow seems like a busy person. 

[Keranu]

It's one thing to not ship packages for so long, but another thing to not respond to emails.

[PCEngineHell]

It's one thing to not ship packages for so long, but another thing to not respond to emails.

Exactly,and its not like hes doing it for free. Hes being paid,good timely communication simply a good part of customer service also. I understand,Dean gets caught up in family,work,but its still not fair for the customer if they are put on the back burner for so long.
Like I said,I think he has just way too much on his plate then he can handle.

[OldRover]

Dean's got a pretty complicated life. It's no surprise that he isn't able to respond to people in a timely manner. I'm not justifying what's going on, just giving y'all the heads-up. He's dealing with problems beyond what most of us would ever have to deal with. I'm not at liberty to discuss the details, but just know that it's not a lack of desire to do the work in a timely manner and keep in touch with his clients; it's issues beyond his control. He's just a single person after all, and like the rest of us, is a real human with real issues and problems in his life.

[PCEngineHell]

I can see that,I'm a single parent of two myself,helping my kids overcome a very very complicated abusive situation with my ex wife that my kids are seeing a counselor for still,but understanding that and the other situations in my life I know he needs to set a limit on the amount of work he takes in. I realized this a long while back myself and slowed down on all sorts of things/projects due to it.

No matter what is going on in your personal life,if you have peoples money and stuff,you have to make contact with them and get things sorted out one way or another.. No one can be understanding of any situation going on if no one ever gets a email reply. And there is no shame in simply saying things have come up and that the person cant do the job. If thats the case Dean,ect.. can simply refund the person and send the system back,ect. to be sent elsewhere.

[NecroPhile]

Dean's got a pretty complicated life. It's no surprise that he isn't able to respond to people in a timely manner. I'm not justifying what's going on, just giving y'all the heads-up. He's dealing with problems beyond what most of us would ever have to deal with. I'm not at liberty to discuss the details, but just know that it's not a lack of desire to do the work in a timely manner and keep in touch with his clients; it's issues beyond his control. He's just a single person after all, and like the rest of us, is a real human with real issues and problems in his life.

If he's got time to log in here (as he did yesterday), then he can make time to respond to those that have sent him money for pending services.  If that's asking too much, then throw in the frickin' towel, take care of life, and come back later when everything is under control.

[PCEngineHell]

Any news yet Ceti???

[Joe Redifer]

I agree with necro.  You shouldn't offer services you can't fulfill.  Not only is that bad business, I'd say that's outright fraud.

[Ceti Alpha]

Any news yet Ceti???

nuffin'

[SignOfZeta]

I agree with necro.  You shouldn't offer services you can't fulfill.  Not only is that bad business, I'd say that's outright fraud.

I think some people need to calm down.

[PCEngineHell]

Im not sure what you mean by that. No one here is arguing or fighting, simply stating truths to the matter, that someone shouldn't be offering said services or taking peoples stuff in if they cant fulfill the needs of the customer at this time/finish the work in a reasonable amount of time Zeta.  Imagine yourself going without your beloved system for going on 4 months and not getting any response from the person promising to do the work for you. You know damn well youd get worried,upset,ect... Most anyone would who cares about their stuff.

What Joe said is basically true,you go on for 3 months and are not willing to finish the work or cant,but insist also on not replying to the customer on any level to get things taken care of one way or another, then yea it does seem like fraud, and in most cases leads to it.

I read Aaron's rules post about members who rip anyone off being banned,ect... and to be honest if Dean cant settle up on Ceti's problem and get him his system back along with anyone else around here he may owe work to ect..  then he needs to be banned with a message requesting him to email a mod here with proof he has settled up all unfinished affairs with members here before he can post again.

I think this should apply to any member here involved in a deal that has had the items as long as Dean has had Cetis Duo or who goes 2 weeks without responding to any emails or Pms. Even if we like the guy,we don't need to make repeat exceptions because exceptions over and over again and months of slack are what causes issues like this to begin with to happen.

[SignOfZeta]

Ban D-Lite? Yeah, fuck that. Just be cool. Fraud is an extremely strong word that I'm a lot more hesitant to use than some people. He's dropped off the face of the earth before and he came back to sell me one of his custom region switches and a few dozen games. I even got a free copy of Groundhog Day. Then he disappeared again. This wasn't even that long ago. Its not like he's Crazy Dion or something.

BTW, why do you have such an enormous personal interest in him these days? You've written a couple of thousand words on this subject in the past few days. Did I miss the part where he owes you an email or a system or something?

And really, please, either chill out with this banning shit or just go get that criminal justice degree you always wanted.

[Joe Redifer]

Wow, if he has a habit of disappearing a lot, he definitely shouldn't be offering his services, and people shouldn't be requesting them.  Sounds like you're looking for a potential bad time if you go with him as he may just randomly "drop off the face of the earth".  Thanks for recommending I go with someone else, Zeta.

[PCEngineHell]

Dean is the subject of this particular thread Zeta because its been going on 4 months now and Ceti has not heard from him or got his Duo back. Actually the subject in general has come up before when Turbokon was offering services and that people offering them need to be able to prove they can do them ect and on how to try to prevent members from being ripped off of their hardware. Sorry if we didn't stop the world for you Zeta so you could take part in that conversation when you saw fit. If it was another guy besides Dean then the other guy would be the name in general on this thread,but its not,its Dean in this situation. Now your going to be the subject of this post yourself for a min Zeta.

Have you ever noticed Zeta that your post generally only concern your own self-interest,not the groups? Have you noticed that in this particular thread you are showing no care what so ever for your fellow members? Only out for yourself??? Only interested in tearing others down for the sake of doing so or for your own self gain??? Id say so,yea def. Because all I gather from your ability to post in this thread is you don't care if Ceti or anyone else gets his Duo or otherwise back,just so long as you can make another great purchase from Dean yourself. Thats a very selfish take on the world Zeta. Have you noticed these kind of things may be why you have no friends here currently? You seriously lack what we call empathy and the ability to see the world from others eyes. Maybe you shouldn't post in here anymore,because the more you open your mouth,the more it shows you care for no one else here but Mr.1.

I like Dean,and I agree the sales are great when he does them. I pointed Quoth in his direction to make purchases before Quoth even signed up here. I don't believe his sales are the problem really as he only post them when he knows he can do them. Its the mod services that are the problem. He's not following through on his deal with Ceti for what are now currently unknown reasons,and even if they are made known now the only thing that would really excuse him having Ceti's Duo for this long is something life altering like losing a child or cancer. Even then surely him along with anyone else could just send the money and the system back,correct???

Lets try to stick to the subject Zeta if you think you must post,and the subject is that Ceti should be getting his Duo back,not how we should make sure you continue to get great game deals and free movies Zeta. We need to work towards this kind of crap not happening again as much as possible by any member offering this service,ok? If any other member pulled this kind of crap you know full well they would be gone by now,just as well that you know if it happened to you, you would be spitting blood more likely then not. Dean is being given a chance to make right on the matter, as it has been offered that if he cant do the job currently he can simply send Ceti's deck to Nat.

Seriously,if Dean has not reached Ceti in the next couple of weeks then what are we to think then??? Surely Dean saw this thread or checks his pms and emails twice every 2 weeks. If you goal is simply to argue here in order to make sure Dean will still sell you games then please respectfully go post elsewhere,preferably on your own thread.

[Sinistron]

He's dropped off the face of the earth before and he came back to sell me one of his custom region switches and a few dozen games. I even got a free copy of Groundhog Day. Then he disappeared again.

HAHAHA Must be good to know that someone only returned from another world just to give you a sweet deal Zeek.  You da man! 

[PCEngineHell]

Meka leka hi, meka hiney ho!
He's dropped off the face of the earth before and he came back to sell me one of his custom region switches and a few dozen games. I even got a free copy of Groundhog Day. Then he disappeared again.

HAHAHA Must be good to know that someone only returned from another world just to give you a sweet deal Zeek.  You da man! 

Starman lol

[Dragon Warrior Jasen]

Sorry for the delayed response.

I think time out to time back it was a month and some change. I sent the TG out in December, and got it back mid February. Granted about a week and some change was the transit.

Let me say, the work was GREAT. He even sold me an Arcade Card 3.0 from JPN, and it all works great. I will say he did lack emails, and communication during the process though.

Right now, i have an NES Top Loader going to another guy that mods systems in VA and I will report back the details afterwards, he seems to have his act together and has done a lot of misc. mods on a lot of systems.

For Ceti, sorry you haven't gotten your Duo back yet, I dont think it is intentional on D-Lite's part but I understand your frustrations. I would be super pissed off if it took 4 months to get something done. For those who also think its a bit on the long side, you aren't in the wrong its easy to drop an email back especially if he can login here and check the boards.

Zeta, let me point you to this:

[SignOfZeta]

He's dropped off the face of the earth before and he came back to sell me one of his custom region switches and a few dozen games. I even got a free copy of Groundhog Day. Then he disappeared again.

HAHAHA Must be good to know that someone only returned from another world just to give you a sweet deal Zeek.  You da man! 

God you are hilarious.

The period of which I speak was his last big sale, and I'm pretty sure he sold several hundred games to multiple forum members here, not just me. I guess I'm just the only one that remembers.

[PCEngineHell]

Meka leka hi, meka hiney ho!
He's dropped off the face of the earth before and he came back to sell me one of his custom region switches and a few dozen games. I even got a free copy of Groundhog Day. Then he disappeared again.

HAHAHA Must be good to know that someone only returned from another world just to give you a sweet deal Zeek.  You da man! 

God you are hilarious.

The period of which I speak was his last big sale, and I'm pretty sure he sold several hundred games to multiple forum members here, not just me. I guess I'm just the only one that remembers.

The most important thing you keep forgetting Zork is that this thread isn't about his sales,we all consent to their greatness,even more so since according to you he came back from another world to do them.
Seriously,the subject at hand is the fact that its taking so long to get a reply from him and Ceti has been without his Duo for far far too long and this kind of thing has somewhat happened before. Can you please go mention said sales in another thread (likes the sales ones Dean started) if thats all you care to discuss?

[SignOfZeta]

A LOT!

Holy crap you write a lot. And often. I only have so many hours in the day to listen to your insults so please try to take that into consideration.

I didn't mention the stuff I bought from D-Lite because I'm selfish. I was sticking up for a guy that I believe is straight and I mentioned the games and mod chip because that is the only business I've done with the guy, and therefore the only personal experience I have with him that I'm qualified to talk about. I was trying to point out that he has always pulled through in the end, he just takes fucking forever. I once waited a *year* for a price quote from the guy. Its really bad.

I remember a long time ago there was this skinny dude with a beard that would always be able to get you out of print Japanese model kits, Macross and stuff. This was before email. Like, 1987 or something. Between mailing him a letter ("Can you get a Max Type movie version VF1J 1/110th scale?), getting a reply letter ("Yeah, sure, when I go to Japan next spring."), sending him a payment (checks sometimes took months to clear in the 80s), and then him sending the kit it would sometimes take nine months or more. It sounds crazy now (Hobby Link Japan can have this kit on my door in 5 days flat now) but I can't emphasize enough that this guy was a fucking hero back in the day because it was him or nothing. Its fully possible that that Urashiman kit sat on his living room table for a month before he mailed it to me without me knowing, but I will never forgot the fun I had as a kid finally getting my package from guys like him and other shops and stuff. This shit taught me patience.

The truth is that I obviously wouldn't recommend sending anything to D-Lite right now (see my posts elsewhere recommending Nat) but he's done a lot of (apparently) first rate work and nobody who purchased his services is going to regret it years down the road when his pro work is still going strong. They will always remember him as a great technician and how awesome the s-video looks on their PCE, NeoGeo, whatever. The fact that the stuff took forever to show up will just be a trivial detail.

These same people probably won't remember you calling for him to be banned. You should be thankful for that. They also won't remember you insinuating that people who are waiting for systems are never going to get them back...which is just fucking bullshit. Period. D-Lite has given a great deal to the PCE/Turbo community. You on the other hand will only be remembered as the guy the the hugest, ugliest, tackiest fucking signature image files since that horrible dancing baby thing.

Three months flies like nothing when you have a life. You'll just have to trust me on this. Until then please abandon your D-Lite witch hunt and go back to ragging on me...although I'd really appreciate it if you cut that shit out to.

[CrackTiger]

When I had my Duo fully modded by D-Lite, I went through a similar experience. It took a long time and I didn't receive any communication for a while. But in the end I did recieve it and the items I bought at the same time and did not regret dealing with him.

Of course, the fact that no one else was offering mod services played a big role in my patience and satisfaction.

Basically I'd just like to tell those waiting to get hardware back, I do believe that you'll get your stuff eventually, but yes, the lack of communication isn't cool.

[PCEngineHell]

Shazaam!!!

Meka leka hi, meka hiney ho!
Holy crap you write a lot. And often. I will have to try to write even more

I didn't mention the stuff I bought from D-Lite because I'm selfish. I have no friends here and I am always selfish and alone.

When I was  a kid I loved Macross and sent money all the time for model kits,I rocked as a kid and was uber die hard leet and Rick Hunters greatest fan!!! but had no friends....I think this has about as much to do with the current subject as video games markets do with comics,but hey,Im always right,even when Im wrong,now back to the point worth addressing,

the truth is that I obviously wouldn't recommend sending anything to D-Lite right now (see my posts elsewhere recommending Nat) but he's done a lot of (apparently) first rate work and nobody who purchased his services is going to regret it years down the road when his pro work is still going strong. They will always remember him as a great technician and how awesome the s-video looks on their PCE, NeoGeo, whatever. The fact that the stuff took forever to show up will just be a trivial detail.

These same people probably won't remember you calling for him to be banned. You should be thankful for that. They also won't remember you insinuating that people who are waiting for systems are never going to get them back...which is just fucking bullshit. Period.

Three months flies like nothing when you have a life. You'll just have to trust me on this. Until then please abandon your D-Lite witch hunt and go back to ragging on me...although I'd really appreciate it if you cut that shit out to.

Currently we have no idea what to think about what is going on,since Dean has not said anything himself and has not replied to Ceti. The fact is though if Ceti doesn't get a reply back and get his Duo then thats that,isn't it?
I'm sure people will be greatly pleased still with their mods,sure,esp those who only had to wait a couple of weeks to a month,even though a month is too long,but still the concern is the current work promised but not fulfilled obviously  and if Ceti doesn't get his Duo back soon then yea,Id say a temp ban until the issue gets resolved. If it never does then I guess a permanent ban would be the desired course,correct?
It shouldn't even have to be like that,all it takes is a damn email to Ceti to tell him the work can be completed soon,or not,and if not if Ceti wants just send the system to Nat to finish.

All the others can remember their modded systems all they want,Ceti's memories are only going to amount to the ones of sending it to him and never getting it back until otherwise happens. As said before,this thread is only here because its Dean that has Ceti's Duo,if it was you,Nat,me,anyone else and we were doing the same crap then flak would be just as well deserved. Its completely fucked up that Ceti doesn't have his Duo back by now so he can enjoy his games.

Aaron's own words:

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Currently as it stands,this would be considered a deal gone bad,and will continue to be so until Dean fixes said issues.This kind of stuff has happened before and there gets to be a point where enough is enough,its a simple as that. As NecroPhile said,if you cant do the work,trow in the towel until you can. As for you,yea your taking flak,but for good reason,but don't think for once instance we think you offering to take the abuse is out of the desire to be a martyr for Dean,we know yet again its just more self serving-ness to secure future sales for yourself.

Besides,currently you're not the one with Ceti's Duo. I do tell you what though,and this gives you a chance to show how caring and unselfish you really can be Zork. Lets say Ceti does not get his Duo back in a month,one more month. Lets say if not then would you be willing to buy him another one and ship it to him since you have been so willing to put in assurances for Dean himself and seemingly speak on his behalf? I mean,if you're so willing to take his flak and speak for him,then surely you'd be willing to fix his problems too,correct? If so drop Ceti a line,thanks

Also,you can tell Ceti sorry in said pm for insinuating he has no life just because its been months on fucking end with no current email updates and hes stressed out and he wants his Duo back you selfish punk.

[SignOfZeta]

If D-Lite never returns the Duo, then its pretty obvious that he'd probably stay dropped off the face of the scene forever in which case what is the point of a ban? That just seems like a pathetic and useless gesture at best and counterproductive at worse since if anything communication is something we actually want from the guy right now, isn't it? I don't understand this logic.

BTW, it was you I was telling to get a life (again). This whole urge to ban people, lock threads, copy and paste forum rules, etc is just so high school hall monitor.

[Sinistron]

He's dropped off the face of the earth before and he came back to sell me one of his custom region switches and a few dozen games. I even got a free copy of Groundhog Day. Then he disappeared again.

HAHAHA Must be good to know that someone only returned from another world just to give you a sweet deal Zeek.  You da man! 

God you are hilarious.

The period of which I speak was his last big sale, and I'm pretty sure he sold several hundred games to multiple forum members here, not just me. I guess I'm just the only one that remembers.

Is that what you were pointing out?  Yeah obviously he sold to a bunch of us- me included.  I'm sure I can remember that Zeek.  However the only soul mentioned in that excerpt is "me" and "I".  I'm sure somewhere in the front of your mind you meant to say "us" but maybe you're so in love with yourself and this quality "life" you speak of that all that comes out is "me".  As for the strong words like "fraud" and "scam" and "ban" you can blame yourself.  Your trying to argue has only made some have to spell out more specifically what is entirely obvious here.  What is your argument anyway?  Mike was talking about how it's messed up that Ceti can't get a fucking response- not that D-Lite doesn't have great sales.  He listed information that would be helpful for someone to contact Dean- asked for people who might be having similar problems to come on in and voice their concern.  Instead- you pop in- the automatic clown- the wind up joker, Gorba the Zeek drifting in from Lame Face Radio on a big cloud of holier-than-thou bullshit.  Jesus Christ talk about lame signatures- you think you're some class act- a real Scott Fitzgerald.  The word "fraud" more applies to your demeanor than anyone else's.    You've already proved to be a fraud numerous times- like when you suddenly wanted to wear Superman's Cape on that sale thread after trying to bash us for bemoaning a lost Company.  You've bashed our tastes and what some consider "fun" and then in the next breath screamed the pleasures of "Burning Angels"- a real wet dog if I've ever played one.  You've boasted to a seller about how many posts you have collected and then you're on here trying to tell people who have lives and who don't.  You've shown your true colors on here and yet on your goof troop radio show you stole our concerns and tried to pass them off as your own.  I haven't even been here long- I can only imagine all the times before I came here that you paraded about as Mr. Know it All and yet came off nothing further than King of the Charlatans.  We all have lives Zeek- and it's always been my experience that the first fool to yell about it is usually the most miserable loser in the whole bunch.  BTW As for Mike's signature- You're probably one of the few to find it tacky.  The rest of us know it kicks serious ass.  It's even funnier that he has the Terminator there considering how many times he's pwned you on these threads.  

And I called you high school hall monitor like 8 hours ago on the shoutbox.  Get your own shit.

[nectarsis]

I just have an exzmple that may work to help illustrate this (again) in a different way.  You go to Best Buy, purchase a computer.  You have a problem, and take it in (under warranty).  After awhile, you want it back, a=with all repairs done.  The store is never open, no one answers the phone, and you get no responses.  Now let this go on for 4 months.  Pretty damn sure you're going to want your computer back, and a reasonable reason (is there one?) why you could not get any info for MONTHS at a crack.  Would you be angry, or just ..."Ho-hum, it is what it is"???

[SignOfZeta]

I just have an exzmple that may work to help illustrate this (again) in a different way.  You go to Best Buy, purchase a computer.  You have a problem, and take it in (under warranty).  After awhile, you want it back, a=with all repairs done.  The store is never open, no one answers the phone, and you get no responses.  Now let this go on for 4 months.  Pretty damn sure you're going to want your computer back, and a reasonable reason (is there one?) why you could not get any info for MONTHS at a crack.  Would you be angry, or just ..."Ho-hum, it is what it is"???

Best Buy? That's the best analogy you can come up with? You compare a one man operation of hand soldered goods to a mega chain electronics slaughterhouse? I see you point, but seriously, Best Buy fucking sucks.

[nectarsis]

As the point is entirely missed...I agree, I am not a huge fan of BB...but it was a way to show how someone (someplace) has your item for a VERY long time, no contact after REPEATED attempts..and that wouldn't bother you?

[PCEngineHell]

I just have an exzmple that may work to help illustrate this (again) in a different way.  You go to Best Buy, purchase a computer.  You have a problem, and take it in (under warranty).  After awhile, you want it back, a=with all repairs done.  The store is never open, no one answers the phone, and you get no responses.  Now let this go on for 4 months.  Pretty damn sure you're going to want your computer back, and a reasonable reason (is there one?) why you could not get any info for MONTHS at a crack.  Would you be angry, or just ..."Ho-hum, it is what it is"???

Meka leka hi, meka hiney ho!

Best Buy? That's the best analogy you can come up with? You compare a one man operation of hand soldered goods to a mega chain electronics slaughterhouse? I see you point, but seriously, Best Buy fucking sucks.

His analogy perfectly fits,unlike you,Master Chronicler of the hobby kit,comics,and game markets. Need we remind you of the shite you spat out that had nothing to do with anything related to the game market and mods here,ect???

[OldRover]

My turn to chime in.

If D-Lite never returns the Duo, then its pretty obvious that he'd probably stay dropped off the face of the scene forever in which case what is the point of a ban? That just seems like a pathetic and useless gesture at best and counterproductive at worse since if anything communication is something we actually want from the guy right now, isn't it? I don't understand this logic.

BTW, it was you I was telling to get a life (again). This whole urge to ban people, lock threads, copy and paste forum rules, etc is just so high school hall monitor.

I actually agree with most of this (except the "get a life" part, that's so elementary school). It's pointless to ban D-Lite if he's never coming back, and the craziness over banning and rules lawyering is a little annoying. The forum doesn't need babysitters, what it needs is its members to be civil.

But Mike and the others are also right. When you offer a service, you've gotta be able to deliver on your promises. If you can't do the work, give the work back and let the client find someone else to do it. It's that simple. SoZ, just because you had a successful transaction doesn't mean your experience has been the norm. There's obviously a problem going on whether you want to admit it or not.

Honestly, I think some people on both sides do need to tone it down a little bit...the one who should be pissed is ceti alpha, since it's his system at stake here.

And nectarsis' example was pretty dead-on. Whether it's one person or one thousand people, a service is a service. Best Buy does indeed fucking suck though.

[nectarsis]

OK...here's another one...Zeta..You buy $150-200 worth of games from me.  I never send them, you contact me thru PM, and email, no reponse.  What would you do after 4 months...nothing.  Would you be pissed, call the cops for theft, or just throw your hands up when others would chime in and say they have dealt with me before,had no problems, and received awesome deals?

[Sinistron]

OK...here's another one...Zeta..You buy $150-200 worth of games from me.  I never send them, you contact me thru PM, and email, no reponse.  What would you do after 4 months...nothing.  Would you be pissed, call the cops for theft, or just throw your hands up when others would chime in and say they have dealt with me before,had no problems, and received awesome deals?

Problem is that Zeek can't relate, doesn't care, and at first doesn't pretend to.  As Mike said - Zeek's biggest missing piece is empathy (though I can think of others).  Putting on someone else's shoes- not staring down at your own the whole time thinking how cool it is that you can see your dumb expression reflected off the shine.  It's not about you and your Groundhog Day dvd- it's about Ceti and anyone else who might be having problems with their order.

[SignOfZeta]

A lot of stuff

The only thing I can say for Mike is that when pressured he can at least, sort of, handle an actual argument instead of this infantile shit you are typing. %90 of what you just wrote is peripheral. I mean, name substitution? That's some pretty lame shit. Bringing up that TZD stuff...again? How does this have anything to do with anything? You couldn't argue your way out of a paper sack. Insults, good ones, are hilarious, but they are supposed to be frosting on the cake. This is just a big can of store bought frosting served by the spoon and its kind of nauseating.

And I called you high school hall monitor like 8 hours ago on the shoutbox.  Get your own shit.

Really? In what context? I ask because it seems extremely apropos for Mike who wants to be a mod so bad he's smelling his armpits and all I'm doing is sticking up for a guy who isn't here to do it himself while you fuckers talk all sorts of shit about him...like you seem to have been doing to me on the shoutbox.

I lose track of shit sometimes, so let me verify a few things here;

Ceti is the only one who has a late system, that we know of, right now, right?

Sinistron and PCEngineHell have not been screwed in any way by D-Lite?

This is the definition of fraud: "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain", right?

Please confirm then your belief that D-Lite, despite having six truckloads of Turbo shit already and an actual job has stolen forever Ceti's measly Duo just because he wants another one, or that he wants to sell it or something like that even though he has, as far as we know, never stolen a person's system before.

My point is this: the Duo is late, sucks, but it will show up as did every other thing he ever sold or worked on. Ceti has some stress right now, but other than him specifically this problem has the built in solution of simply never sending anything to D-Lite again.

BTW As for Mike's signature- You're probably one of the few to find it tacky.  The rest of us know it kicks serious ass.

Yeah I uh...seriously seriously doubt that. It wasn't meant to be a talking point though, just some frosting. Its not important.

[Sinistron]

The only thing I can say for Mike is that when pressured he can at least, sort of, handle an actual argument instead of this infantile shit you are typing. %90 of what you just wrote is peripheral. I mean, name substitution? That's some pretty lame shit. Bringing up that TZD stuff...again?

Well Zeek you never really had an answer for me the first time.  So yeah I'll keep mentioning it until you can actually think up some lame excuse- which will be another banana peel that you slip on- and then we can all laugh a little more.  What else can you do Zeek?  Climb out of a shrunken fire car with 50 other clowns?

How does this have anything to do with anything? You couldn't argue your way out of a paper sack.

HAHAHA I'm not arguing Zeek, yes!! Slowly you're GETTING it.  You're starting to see finally.  YOU are the one arguing.  We were all for the most part in agreement before you flopped in gushing about your deal.  I am merely holding a mirror up to your face while I give you a close shave.

Insults, good ones, are hilarious, but they are supposed to be frosting on the cake. This is just a big can of store bought frosting served by the spoon and its kind of nauseating.

Lol yeah eat the creamy frosting Zeek.
Ha that image conjurs up another one- a little Zeek being fed castor oil by his elders for not acting like a good little Zeek should. 

As for the hallway monitor comment-
I said in the context of you saying "some people here need to calm down." Who the hell are you?  Guy Incredible?  You're about as effective as a hallway monitor...

Yeah I uh...seriously seriously doubt that. It wasn't meant to be a talking point though, just some frosting. Its not important.

You're really wild about this "frosting" heh? 

[PCEngineHell]

A lot of stuff

Meka leka hi, meka hiney ho!

The only thing I can say for Mike is that when pressured he can at least, sort of, handle an actual argument instead of this infantile shit you are typing. %90 of what you just wrote is peripheral. I mean, name substitution? That's some pretty lame shit. Bringing up that TZD stuff...again? How does this have anything to do with anything? You couldn't argue your way out of a paper sack. Insults, good ones, are hilarious, but they are supposed to be frosting on the cake. This is just a big can of store bought frosting served by the spoon and its kind of nauseating.

And I called you high school hall monitor like 8 hours ago on the shoutbox.  Get your own shit.

Really? In what context? I ask because it seems extremely apropos for Mike who wants to be a mod so bad he's smelling his armpits and all I'm doing is sticking up for a guy who isn't here to do it himself while you fuckers talk all sorts of shit about him...like you seem to have been doing to me on the shoutbox.

I lose track of shit sometimes, so let me verify a few things here;

Ceti is the only one who has a late system, that we know of, right now, right?

Sinistron and PCEngineHell have not been screwed in any way by D-Lite?

This is the definition of fraud: "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain", right?

Please confirm then your belief that D-Lite, despite having six truckloads of Turbo shit already and an actual job has stolen forever Ceti's measly Duo just because he wants another one, or that he wants to sell it or something like that even though he has, as far as we know, never stolen a person's system before.

My point is this: the Duo is late, sucks, but it will show up as did every other thing he ever sold or worked on. Ceti has some stress right now, but other than him specifically this problem has the built in solution of simply never sending anything to D-Lite again.

BTW As for Mike's signature- You're probably one of the few to find it tacky.  The rest of us know it kicks serious ass.

Yeah I uh...seriously seriously doubt that. It wasn't meant to be a talking point though, just some frosting. Its not important.

Zork,I never applied to be a mod when Aaron was asking.You can pm him to confirm this You are so wrong there lol. Turbostar asked me once if Id want to be one on his forums,I told him maybe but I know  myself,I don't put up with mess,and yea Id ban people more often then I prob should,so I didn't pursue it,nor would I do it here because I may be too effective for any real good to come of it. I know myself,my abilities and my limits and tolerance,so its simply not a good idea. However by not being a mod I have more freedom to be my vocal,expressive,complaining self.

Not to knock Dean,this is mainly a reply to you wondering why he or anyone else would want more,everyone knows a thief or conman ALWAYS wants more of everything he can get. Also,part of being a friend and fellow community member is to take up for your friends when wrongs have been done. See,you still continue to think of only yourself,your own concerns. We are concerned with our members issues,not just ourselves/ our own. In that respect you are appearing more and more like  a outsider then a fellow member. We try to take care of our own here. Thats one of the reasons I have been here since Jan 05,thats something I believe in.

I think Sini's reply to you,he handed your ass to you to be honest.I cant believe you couldn't tell Zork.... The TZD stuff,everything  he mentioned applies because you're simply wrong on so many counts and its time for you to stop,but you don't know how.

As I said,you want to be Deans spokesman? You want to say Ceti is dead sure to get his Duo back too? Cool,then read this quote again :

Besides,currently you're not the one with Ceti's Duo. I do tell you what though,and this gives you a chance to show how caring and unselfish you really can be Zork. Lets say Ceti does not get his Duo back in a month,one more month. Lets say if not then would you be willing to buy him another one and ship it to him since you have been so willing to put in assurances for Dean himself and seemingly speak on his behalf? I mean,if you're so willing to take his flak and speak for him,then surely you'd be willing to fix his problems too,correct? If so drop Ceti a line,thanks

You can either put up or shut up. Me personally,I think if Dean doesn't deliver I myself would be willing to trow in a little money at least if others would be willing to chip in too to help Ceti get another Duo again since its partly our fault as we gave Dean such good word of mouth.If no one mentioned Dean Ceti would have simply went elsewhere more likely then not is how I view it.

[Joe Redifer]

The reason for a ban is pretty simple:  To prevent the member from conducting further bad business on the PCENGINEFX forums.  Like Zeta says, he randomly pops back to our planet every once in awhile so it is hard to say if he would "stay away".  He logged on to these forums 4 days ago, so he obviously has time to communicate with his paying customers, correct?

Anyway, nobody's getting banned just yet.  If it comes to that it will be discussed by all of the mods and Aaron.  Nobody's going to jump the gun and push the ban trigger.

[SignOfZeta]

We try to take care of our own here. Thats one of the reasons I have been here since Jan 05,thats something I believe in.

What are you, a fucking Hell's Angel? The dork melodrama is thick here...

I no longer have the energy to argue with two five year olds. You have D-Lite's address. You know where to mail the bomb.

[OldRover]

You have D-Lite's address. You know where to mail the bomb.

I have yours also...hrm...

[SpaceRunaway]

Ceti, when did you last email Dean?  I have my own situation going on right now, one that I don't really feel like going into the details of, but I sent him an email on March 27th and he responded the next day.

[Ceti Alpha]

Ceti, when did you last email Dean?  I have my own situation going on right now, one that I don't really feel like going into the details of, but I sent him an email on March 27th and he responded the next day.

Hey. I emailed him not long before that. I also just gave him a pm here on pcenginefx today. I'm honestly not THAT worried. I'm sure he'll get to me soon. But it is reassuring to know that he's gotten back to you. Thanks for the heads up.

[PCEngineHell]

We try to take care of our own here. Thats one of the reasons I have been here since Jan 05,thats something I believe in.

Meka leka hi, meka hiney ho!
Wish,did someone say wish???

I no longer have the energy to grant any wishes,I used them all on myself to summon Starman from beyond the stars for some great deals. I will simply leave now like it was as if I was never here,with little resolve and alot less pride.

Ceti, when did you last email Dean?  I have my own situation going on right now, one that I don't really feel like going into the details of, but I sent him an email on March 27th and he responded the next day.

Wonder if this is about the supergun work from last year....

[Dark Fact]

Wow...just wow.

After reading through this thread I'm amazed with the sheer amount of mudslinging going on over Dean's performance.

Wonder if this is about the supergun work from last year....

After that infamous thread and you calling out Dean to face the music, I can't understand why you would still want to talk about him.

But here is my opinion on this matter.  If I gave some guy mod work to do on my system, I would ask all sorts of questions.  Namely...price estimates, time length to get the job done and returned to me, bonus deals, the works.  If the guy who mods my system tells me he can have the thing done in a couple of days to a couple of weeks.  I'll hold him to that.  If I don't hear anything about my system after that specified length of time, I get on the phone and start hounding.

I know people can tend to be busy in their lives dealing with other customers but if you're gonna say that you'll have the system ready for me in such and such a time, you better own up unless you have a damn good reason for delaying the work.  I'm usually an understanding guy when some act of God comes up that causes my system to be delayed for a couple more weeks.  But, if my system is gonna be gone for a certain length of time and I don't hear anything from the modder or repairman, you can bet your silver dollar I'm gonna be pissed like Hulk Hogan after getting bitch slapped by Gorgeous George.

[Tatsujin]

what happened to d-lite?

[Dark Fact]

what happened to d-lite?

He's in a better place, Tatsujin. Actually...he's in the same place but he's just not doing anything.