Scored me a nice Atari Jaguar lot

[khog143]

I was recently looking at a local gamestore that sells retro stuff, and they had a boxed Jaguar for sale for .99 cents because they thought it didn't work.  However, I did some tinkering and research, got it running, and now I have a CIB Jaguar in great condition.  Also, they sold me a ton of CIB games on the cheap (5 bucks a piece) because they just wanted to unload the inventory.  I got Attack of the Mutant Penguins, Evolution Dino Dudes, Tempest 2000, Missile Command 2000, Syndicate, Theme Park (Sealed), Doom, Zool 2, and Alien Vs Predator.  All for around 50 bucks

[Bernie]

Man, sorry to hear you lost 50 bucks!! 

[khog143]

I bought it on a whim, and some of the games do suck, but the Doom port is pretty fun, and so is Alien Vs Predator.  Tempest 2000 is a really fun little puzzle game, with an amazing soundtrack.  However, I mostly bought it as trade bait for other stuff.  Now I just need to find someone interested.  And if not, I have a gaming curiosity to display.

[NecroPhile]

Not a bad deal for fifty zenny.  Have some fun with it.

[Tatsujin]

Man, sorry to hear you lost 50 bucks!! 

2nded

[khog143]

Man the jag is getting no love here lol.  After playing it, I have to say the worst thing about it is the controller.  The keypad should have reached extinction with 5200

[Frank_fjs]

I tend to agree, the Jag sucks arse. I can't understand why they're generally so expensive (not in your case fortunately) or sought after. Guess it's the whole failed console syndrome.

For $50 though why the hell not!

[JoshTurboTrollX]

I think you got just about ALL of the seriously good Jag games!!  That's an awesome deal dude.

I'm no Jag fan, but if I saw this in a store I woulda eaten it up just the same! 

[Samurai Ghost]

Yeah I'd probably never hook it up and play it but if I found a jaguar in the wild on the cheap I'd have a hard time not picking it up!

[SignOfZeta]

That's terrible. Hopefully the garbage man will take it away without charging as extra fee for hazardous material disposal or something. Make sure you wear gloves when you handle this kind of toxic waste!

[khog143]

I pretty much did what Samurai Ghost said, I hooked it up and played it for a few days, but now its just sitting on top of my bookshelf with my other boxed goodies on display.  Probably will end up trading once I get sick of looking at it

[TheClash603]

I play my Jag every now and then.  It is the only system with Flip Out!, which I love.

[esteban]

I don't own a Jaguar, but I had lots of fun playing Tempest 2000 at a friend's house back in the day.

Does anyone have the Tempest 2000 Soundtrack CD (I remember when I could have picked up a bunch for a dollar...I still don't know why I didn't do that).

Anyway, khog143, don't let the Jag sit there. Fire it up and play some of the ridiculous games that are EXCLUSIVE to it.

If I had more time, I'd certainly be curious about trying all the titles I've only read about...

[VestCunt]

The Jaguar is the only system I've owned, discarded, and not missed a bit (OK, Playstation too). As a proud SMS, TG16, 32X, and 3DO gamer, I think that says something.

[T2KFreeker]

The Jaguar is the only system I've owned, discarded, and not missed a bit (OK, Playstation too). As a proud SMS, TG16, 32X, and 3DO gamer, I think that says something.

Yeah man, 3DO rocks!

As for the Jaguar, there is some actual serious fun to be had on the system. problem is that people are charging way too damn much for the stuff these days.

[VestCunt]

Yeah, good luck finding Towers, Iron Soldier 2, or Atari Karts. It would be nice to have Doom on the Jaguar again, but I don't miss AvP.

[Deletion]

khog, that's a sweet deal. I'd have $50 worth of fun just with Tempest 2000 alone. If you do decide to trade the system, let me know.

[ParanoiaDragon]

I love the Jag, as some know.  Probably more then the 3DO ultimately(though there are great games to be had on 3DO).  But yeah, alot of the great games....are the expensive one's, some of which are the later/homebrew releases.

[PCEngineHell]

I actually wouldn't mind getting a Jaguar again. I've been considering liquidating some of my Nes stuff in fact so I can have some space freed up for one. It's probably been 10 years since I last had one I think.

[RegalSin]

The Jag just proves how weak a game developement, was in the west.
Amiga had some love, for awhile, but the SNES over took the Amiga.
Then the opposition had the Genesis ( Why say Genesis, when we all know they probably stole the name from the StarTreck name ). If you were not playing a game console, you was playing the IBM, or Mac.
Don't copy that floppy.......yeehhh right. Sega even counted the Jag
with it's 32X and CD add-on.

The Jag was too late by five years. If there was at least one Japanese developer, we would have seen something that was visable. It would have probably been just like the Atari.

[khog143]

Just as an update, I am seriously considering trading my Jaguar, as it is just going to collect dust up on my shelf.  I will post something in the other Buy/Sell forum if I do decide, but I am currently trying to narrow my collecting to TG16/PCE, NES, SNES, and Genesis, so it will more than likely happen whenever I get a chance to take/upload pics this weekend.

[Dyna138]

No love for the Jaguar here I see, it's a shame because it is an excellent system if given the chance. Alien vs Predator and Tempest 2000 are awesome games and worth picking up a Jaguar for alone and then you have many other games like Rayman, a very unique and cool version of Wolfenstein 3D, Iron Soldier I & II and many others quality titles.

It didn't last long on the market and the library is small, but there are plenty of great games on the system and a pretty active homebrew community. There are also companies out there like Songbird releasing some lost quality Jaguar games like Skyhammer and Protector. I'd advise you to do some research and formulate your own opinion of the system.

At any rate you got a good deal even if most of the games are common.

[SignOfZeta]

If the Jag is an "excellent system" then I'd hate to see what a mediocre or bad system is. What's worse than a Jag? I mean, I know the 3DO is bad, but even the 3DO is probably better than the Jag so the only things worse than a Jag would be those systems that barely qualify as systems like the Pippin and CDi.

Is the Game.com worse than a Jag? Maybe...maybe not. Lights Out on Game.com was kind of fun.

I mean, if Jag is an A, then the 3DO would be a A+, the 32X an A++, the PC-FX would be...at least an A+++. The N64 would be an S, with the PCE, Neo, and SFC being like SSS+++ ∞ or some shit.

[Dyna138]

If the Jag is an "excellent system" then I'd hate to see what a mediocre or bad system is. What's worse than a Jag? I mean, I know the 3DO is bad, but even the 3DO is probably better than the Jag so the only things worse than a Jag would be those systems that barely qualify as systems like the Pippin and CDi.

Is the Game.com worse than a Jag? Maybe...maybe not. Lights Out on Game.com was kind of fun.

I mean, if Jag is an A, then the 3DO would be a A+, the 32X an A++, the PC-FX would be...at least an A+++. The N64 would be an S, with the PCE, Neo, and SFC being like SSS+++ ∞ or some shit.

Opinions are great, thanks for yours.

I'm glad I at least own a Jaguar and have played a lot of games before formulating my own opinion of the system.

[SignOfZeta]

So if the Jag is "excellent" then there must be like...four or five other systems that are shittier than the Jag, at least, right? What are four systems shittier than the Jag?

This question is open to everyone, btw, and please no hyperbolic partisan bullshit answers like "PS3" or "Gameboy".

I mean, you said this. You said it was excellent. You claim that you have the Jag experience to back up your definition of "excellent", unlike me who has clearly never even set eyes on a Jag (so you think), so what is your more educated and valuable opinion on this matter?

[Keranu]

I mean, you said this. You said it was excellent. You claim that you have the Jag experience to back up your definition of "excellent", unlike me who has clearly never even set eyes on a Jag (so you think), so what is your more educated and valuable opinion on this matter?

Doesn't take much education to understand people like things you don't.

[SuperPlay]

I had used to love playing Tempest 2000 on My Jag. 

Just playing the OST now!

[khog143]

So if the Jag is "excellent" then there must be like...four or five other systems that are shittier than the Jag, at least, right? What are four systems shittier than the Jag?

This question is open to everyone, btw, and please no hyperbolic partisan bullshit answers like "PS3" or "Gameboy".

I mean, you said this. You said it was excellent. You claim that you have the Jag experience to back up your definition of "excellent", unlike me who has clearly never even set eyes on a Jag (so you think), so what is your more educated and valuable opinion on this matter?

First, let me answer by saying Pippin, CD-i, Virtual Boy, Atari 5200, Game.com, N-Gage, R-Zone, and the Gizmondo.  Secondly, while there are some awful duds on the Jaguar (Evolution Dino Dudes, Most of the sports games, Cybermorph), but, as is the case with most systems, there are good games (I enjoyed Tempest 2000, Attack of the Mutant Penguins, Raiden, Doom, AvP, Syndicate).

[esteban]

I had used to love playing Tempest 2000 on My Jag. 

Just playing the OST now!

Do you have the CD + packaging? I'll take it off your hands...

 

[Dyna138]

I mean, you said this. You said it was excellent. You claim that you have the Jag experience to back up your definition of "excellent", unlike me who has clearly never even set eyes on a Jag (so you think), so what is your more educated and valuable opinion on this matter?

Doesn't take much education to understand people like things you don't.

Well put.

If your a gamer you'd prefer to appreciate a console for its strengths and good games and not be a hater.

I've already given my "educated" opinion of the console. There are great games out there for the Jaguar and that's evident if you spend some time with its library. I'll run through some of my favorites:

Tempest 2000 & AvP: These as I already stated are 2 awesome games worth picking up the system for. Both critically acclaimed when they were released.

Wolfenstein 3D: John Carmack recently stated this was his favorite version of Wolf3D and it's easy to see why. It's a lot of fun to play and has a lot things that make the Jag version unique.

Doom: One of the best console ports of Doom back in the day. Easily beats the 3DO and 32X and of course SNES versions, it must have been impressive to see such an accurate port of the PC game back then. Does the Jag having a better version of Doom than the 3DO and 32X say anything about which console was technically superior? Maybe maybe not, but I'm not interested in a console war debate.

Rayman: Originally designed for the Jaguar this is a classic platformer. Fun and inventive with beautiful graphics and animation to back it up.

Iron Soldier I & II: A pair of great games. Smooth playing and mission based both can be a lot of fun to play even if the polygon graphics are a bit primitive. Although ISII graphics were an improvement over the original.

I could go on forever detailing some of these but here's a list of other games I think are solid titles:

Super Burnout
Protector SE
Skyhammer
Theme Park
Cannon Fodder
Missile Command 3D
Raiden
FlashBack
Battlemorph
Ultra Vortek

Admittedly there are some games I haven't been able to play cause they are Magical Chase level priced like Battlesphere Gold and the less pricer, but still rare Gorf, both of which are considered 2 of the best games for the Jag. There are also many games I haven't played yet for the console that are considered good, but can't comment on. Anyway if you're asking me to defend my opinion that the Jaguar is an excellent system then all I have to say is there are plenty of great games that make it excellent.

If you don't like my opinion well...who cares?  The end.

[SignOfZeta]

So if the Jag is "excellent" then there must be like...four or five other systems that are shittier than the Jag, at least, right? What are four systems shittier than the Jag?

This question is open to everyone, btw, and please no hyperbolic partisan bullshit answers like "PS3" or "Gameboy".

I mean, you said this. You said it was excellent. You claim that you have the Jag experience to back up your definition of "excellent", unlike me who has clearly never even set eyes on a Jag (so you think), so what is your more educated and valuable opinion on this matter?

First, let me answer by saying Pippin, CD-i, Virtual Boy, Atari 5200, Game.com, N-Gage, R-Zone, and the Gizmondo. 

Yeah, see, you fell for it. Most of those machines are absolutely terrible. Therefore, if one's opinion of the definition of the word "excellent" is " slightly better than the worst shit ever made" then...I think they need more gradation in their vocabulary.

Also, as much of a pain in the ass as the Virtual Boy is to use, even though its was a very stupid idea that Nintendo never should have gone for, IMO the games themselves are at least average for something monocrhome from Nintendo. Wario, Red Alarm, Nester's Bowling, all of this stuff is very good providing you are able and willing to use one of these piece of shit machines.

The only game I've played on the 5200 was Donkey Kong and it was pretty good. Other than that, I'm pretty ignorant of things 5200.

I mean, you said this. You said it was excellent. You claim that you have the Jag experience to back up your definition of "excellent", unlike me who has clearly never even set eyes on a Jag (so you think), so what is your more educated and valuable opinion on this matter?

Doesn't take much education to understand people like things you don't.

Well put.

If your a gamer you'd prefer to appreciate a console for its strengths and good games and not be a hater.
 

I am a gamer. I appreciate a console for its games. I am a "hater" of many irredeemable things. Last week I had to go to the hospital. I hated it. Sorry, I just did. It was terrible. The ability to hate is a necessary component for human evolution. If we didn't hate, we'd just eat whatever food fell on the ground like a centipede does and never evolve thumbs. We'd just listen to Little Wayne and Toby Keith because that's what's on the radio. We'd just keep working at Atari making Jag games all day instead of quitting and getting a job at Sega...see what I mean?

Its fine to say, "I love Troma movies, even though they are terrible". Its another to say "Troma movies are excellent, its a shame nobody respects them."

The word "excellent" has a definition. "extremely good; outstanding". The thesaurus says, "very good, superb, outstanding, exceptional, marvelous, wonderful, magnificent; preeminent, perfect, matchless, unbeatable, peerless, supreme, prime, first-rate, first-class, superlative, splendid, fine, beautiful, exemplary; A1, ace, great, terrific, tremendous, fantastic, fabulous, splendiferous, fab, top-notch, dandy, divine, blue-ribbon, blue-chip, bang-up, skookum, class, awesome, magic, wicked, mean, cool, out of this world, hunky-dory, A-OK, brilliant, killer"

I don't see "Game System of the Year 1993 - John Birch Society" in there anywhere, and frankly FPS games from 15+ years ago are rather useless to me and most people these days. I'm sure Iron Soldier was fun back in the day, but now its just a crusty old stepping stone. Honestly, in 2012 it would be more fun to play Club Drive and Fight For Life because they are bad than to play Alien versus Predator because its good.

I understand people had a lot of hope for this machine back in the day, I just find it amazing that anyone is STILL HOLDING ON to that hope. My friend sold his Genesis collection to pay for his Jag when it was new. He knew this was a mistake after owning the system for just a few weeks. Evidently some people still haven't figured it out.

I'm not saying people shouldn't have fun with whatever they have fun with. I have all sorts of stupid hobbies that don't always shine. I have lots of terrible comic books, video games, movies, and even music. Sometimes its too terrible to be fun, sometimes its too terrible not to be fun. My problem is when people use terms like "excellent" to describe things that are the exact opposite of that and say that "its a shame nobody here likes it" when...honestly, short of group hypnosis or huge amounts of X you are never going to be in a room where the majority of the people like this machine.

Excellent: Mozart, Raging Bull, Neo Geo

Good enough: Three Dog Night, Batman Returns, Wonderswan

Terrible: Tag Team's Greatest Hits, Showgirls, Atari Jaguar.



PS: I actually own the movie Showgirls due to its horribleness bordering on the supernatural. I don't actually think its excellent.

[Keranu]

Yikes Zeta, take a chill pill. He happens to think Jaguar is a good system despite it's bad reputation, who cares?

[geise]

One man's trash is another mans treasure.  Who the fuck cares.  If he/she likes it then they like it.  People on this forum and elsewhere have so many different opinions on "good/ecellent games and systems that I find it interesting.

[nectarsis]

If your a gamer you'd prefer to appreciate a console for its strengths and good games and not be a hater.
 

While not getting into the "excellent" debate, or what you like that's obviously opinion.... but this way of thinking is whitewashing/apologetic.  I appreciate many systems (not all the "best"), but only/mainly concentrating on the best aspects is bordering on fanboyism.   Being butthurt that X person dislikes a game/system is just as bad as someone bashing your opinion.

[Dyna138]

We'll just have to agree to disagree. It doesn't matter to me who likes of doesn't like the Jag all these years later I'm certainly not "butthurt". If anyone seems butthurt its the people who don't wanna see anyone say anything positive about the Jaguar.

I'm gonna keep enjoying the Jaguar along with all my other consoles whether it's "excellent" or "terrible" cause in the end it's about the games and while the Jag has its share of duds it certainly has some gems as well.

[PunkCryborg]

Although I'm not into Jag, it has some of the most die hard dedicated fans. It's one of those underdog systems like the turbo and definitely has it's merits.

[PCEngineHell]

I got to be honest here, I contacted the guy because I was initially considering maybe trading for it or buying it, but going back and watching videos of games on youtube of Jaguar stuff after not having owned the console in like 10 years or so, I really am not impressed with the stuff anymore and retracted my offer/interest. Alien versus Predator really looks more like a unfinished shareware project, Doom has no fucking music and the framerate really isn't as smooth as I originally remembered it, and stuff like Missle Command 3D is just choppy and meh over all. Don't even get me started on Cybermorph. Originally there was maybe 25 or so titles I really kind of liked on the system, but now looking back at the thing, really only a few so its not worth bothering with for me. Most everything good the Jaguar has to offer is just as good or better on other systems (including Tempest 2000). I guess if you had never owned one before it might be amazing initially, but whatever. In retrospect, its clearly not a good system these days when you compare it to everything else, except maybe pre-Nes stuff, Virtua Boy or CD-I.

You can tell just by this guy getting it for the first time, with a few of whats considered the best games on the system no less, and wanting to be rid of it just as fast as he got it, like a horrible regretful buy, that the Jaguar just cant hold its own anymore on any level. At least the other underdog, the 3DO, can still hold its own with games like Star Blade, Wing Commander 3 and Super Wing Commander, the best port of Wolfenstein, Road Rash, Need for Speed, Samurai Shodown, Super SF2 Turbo, Primal Rage, Shockwave 2, Myst, Zadnost, Twisted, D, Space Hulk, Trip'd, Lucienne's Quest, Off World Intercepter, Total Eclypse, Gex, Star Control 2, etc. The Jaguar might as well be a fucking door stopper. It cant compete with anything from its generation on any level.

[SignOfZeta]

Although I'm not into Jag, it has some of the most die hard dedicated fans. It's one of those underdog systems like the turbo and definitely has it's merits.

I take issue with this, although its basically true on most levels. The Turbo has this rep as an underdog system in the eyes of people who like underdog systems and in this case by "underdog system" they basically mean "systems that I like because I like shitty systems". The Jag/3DO/CDi are those systems that usually smell like cigarettes/mold and have had 150 different owners since they were manufactured. The Turbo is NOT in this camp even though many times the same sort of junk collectors owned them. The Turbo was WORLD CLASS AWESOME with 1st rate original titles from Hudson, Konami, Capcom, Namco, Irem, Falcom, etc etc as well as a controller than is actually usable. The JagDOi* stuff...is not in this league. At all. Sometimes these junk collectors also venture into Neo Geo land, but only end up owning Samurai Showdown and 3 Count Bout before eventually ditching the stuff after realizing AES ownership is basically insane.

Just trying to be clear here.

Also, I don't mean to really say that I have a problem with the Jag (other than it sucking) and its (delusional) fans. I'm not debating the worth of the Jag, primarily. I'm more concerned with the definition of "excellent" and I take issue with vocabularies only able to describe things as rating from %90-100. *Something* has to suck, and if its not the Jag then I don't know what it is.

*JagDOi: Need to come up with a formal definition for this as well as pronunciation.

[PunkCryborg]

 SignOf"Andy Rooney"Zeta

[VestCunt]

"If you want a vision of the Jaguar, imagine a boot stamping on a human face -- forever."

[Opethian]

Jaguar - the Pinnacle of Mediocrity

[khog143]

I never said the system was excellent.  He asked to name 4 or 5 systems worse than it, so I did.  I think the system is very below average, it's just that there are some fun games for it, most of which are ports, but still fun nonetheless.  As I said at the beginning, I got the system on the cheap as a oddity that I never had played before, and after playing it, am attempting to trade it for other stuff I would enjoy more.  I just think that it is definitely not the worst system ever, as my CD-i is currently screaming in its nook of my room that it is WAY worse.  

However, what sets the Jaguar and the CD-i apart, in my mind, is that you can see the potential in what the Jaguar was attempting, but a lack of good software, and a horrible, bulky controller with like 15 buttons dragging it down.  Those other systems I listed, of which I own 3 and have played the rest, have no redeeming qualities.  The Virtual Boy causes headaches after playing for like 10 minutes, the 5200 is seemingly a worse system graphically and accessory-wise than the 2600, and don't even get me going on the CD-i.

Also, I have no regrets purchasing it, if only because I got great value on it, and never planned on keeping it as a centerpiece of my collection for years and years to come.  It was always intended as a trading piece, or at the least a resell.  I had originally planned to keep it a bit longer, but I realized why hold on to it for 2 years while touching it once every couple moths or so to play tempest 2000, Doom, or Wolfenstein, when I could just get rid of it now.

Long story short, there are more bads than goods in the Jaguar, but it isn't all bad.  But then again, to each their own, and I really don't know why I'm defending a below average system I just got about a month ago, and that I have zero nostalgia for.  But whatever, I got nothing else to do lol.

[khog143]

Or, if I wanted to sum up my rant in a quick phrase

Jaguar - the Pinnacle of Mediocrity

[SuperPlay]

Do you have the CD + packaging? I'll take it off your hands..

Bay to the rescue:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Atari-Jaguar-Tempest-2000-The-Soundtrack-Audio-CD-BRAND-NEW-FACTORY-SEALED-/190594911464?pt=UK_VideoGames_Merchandise_RL&hash=item2c60578ce8

[JoshTurboTrollX]

... while there are some awful duds on the Jaguar (Evolution Dino Dudes, Most of the sports games, Cybermorph)

I actually really enjoyed Dino Dudes, and did any of you guys give Flip Out! a chance?  I actually really dug that game.

If I had a Jag, I'd keep it around just to be able to pull it out at parties. Kasumi Ninja is always a gas.  How about some Ultra Vortek, or that Skiing and snowboarding game.... Play with it a few times a year and then put it back.

[khog143]

... while there are some awful duds on the Jaguar (Evolution Dino Dudes, Most of the sports games, Cybermorph)

I actually really enjoyed Dino Dudes, and did any of you guys give Flip Out! a chance?  I actually really dug that game.

If I had a Jag, I'd keep it around just to be able to pull it out at parties. Kasumi Ninja is always a gas.  How about some Ultra Vortek, or that Skiing and snowboarding game.... Play with it a few times a year and then put it back.

I just felt Dino Dudes was their cheap knock off of Joe & Mac.  And I didn't get Flip Out! with my lot, so I never had a chance to try it out.

[esteban]

Excellent: Mozart, Raging Bull, Neo Geo Runaway Train, NES

Good enough: The Left Banke, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Three Dog Night, Batman Returns, Wonderswan

Terrible: Tag Team's Greatest Hits, Showgirls, Atari Jaguar. Pearl Jam, Titanic, XaviX (just kidding! I love my Jackie Chan game for Xavix).... game.com





PS: I actually own the movie Showgirls due to its horribleness bordering on the supernatural. I don't actually think its excellent.

I fixed a few of those listings for you, Zeta.

[meka]

Alien vs Predator was a good game, but using that controller is just ridiculous.

[VestCunt]

MEKA - you've necroposted a half dozen threads today. If you have something interesting to say, go ahead, but your one-sentence comments don't really add much.