Aldynes (SGX) vs. R-Type III (SNES) vs. Lightening Force/TFIV (Genesis)

[FraGMarE]

Only one makes it out alive! 

Aldynes:




R-Type III - The Third Lightning





Lightening Force/Thunder Force IV

[rag-time4]

Before I answer, I feel it appropriate to make a twatty comment about this being posted in the wrong forum section. None of the games in the list are us turbo games.

[esteban]

Just to clarify, we're talking a full-on NEC vs Nintendo vs. Sega match-up...

Before I answer, I feel it appropriate to make a twatty comment about this being posted in the wrong forum section. None of the games in the list are us turbo games.

You're just pissed that Image Fight hasn't been included in any of the battles thus far.

ALSO: Dude, where have you been!?

Stay! 

[rag-time4]

Just to clarify, we're talking a full-on NEC vs Nintendo vs. Sega match-up...

Before I answer, I feel it appropriate to make a twatty comment about this being posted in the wrong forum section. None of the games in the list are us turbo games.

You're just pissed that Image Fight hasn't been included in any of the battles thus far.

ALSO: Dude, where have you been!?

Stay! 

They fear teh Image Fight!

Got a new baby here and a new job, so have been spending lots of time on the arcade-museum forums. Also hooked on Uncharted Waters Online mmo

[CrackTiger]

Seriously, Super R-Type? Not Macross SV?

Why even include SNES at all?

I'm guessing that Super Gradius III is being saved for a Gradius II versus.

[FraGMarE]

Seriously, Super R-Type? Not Macross SV?

Why even include SNES at all?

I'm guessing that Super Gradius III is being saved for a Gradius II versus.

Let's get one thing straight here... R-Type III is the best SNES hori, NOT Macross SV.  ;)

[VestCunt]

I'm gonna have to vote "B." One nostril is pretty whacked, yo.

(Do we have a forum for alcohol syndrome facial features? I couldn't be bothered to scroll down, so I just put it here.)

[SuperDeadite]

R-Type III sucks, seriously.  The entire game is simply knowing when to have the force on the front and when to have it on the rear only.  R-Type for Babies really.  And the sugar coated super bright pinks and blues? Yuck.

[awack]

I don't like Rtype 3 as muc as macros or axelay but I thought it was pretty impressive, its a 1993 release and is 12 megs making it the largest non cutemup shooter on the syste I believe, not sure about that, in one of the last levels it has some cool morphing on some of the enemies and a warping fx on some of the bosses like in Nexzer.

[turbokon]

I have all three, I haven't played all three recently but I have put more time paying with aldynes than the other two. I got to stage 4 on aldynes.  With that I say aldynes.

[Psycho Punch]

Why the fuck did you post that image VestCunt, ughafdsfafdqewrfsd

[RyuHayabusa]

I chose Aldynes over the other two. TF IV is a very good shooter but it didn't blow me away. R-Type 3 was a huge disappointment for me. I love Super R-Type even with all the slowdown so I was expecting a lot from R-Type 3 and it didn't deliver.

[Tatsujin]

R-Type 3 is a mixed bag. it plays very slowish and its music isn't that great. graphic/design wise it goes from some outstanding to quite rubbish looking back grounds and level design (f.e. the uberboring hot steel factory level..arghhh..*vomits*). all in one a good shewty, but nothing that could even come close to the original R-Type, which is still far superior.

as for Thunderfore IV, I quite like it even it couldn't raise that huge wow-effect out of me anymore that TFIII did already 3 years prior to that. its biggest weakness are its massive slowdown attacks, since you can clearly see that it overpushes the MDs capability. all around a good shewty, but hard as hell also due to the mentioned and sudden slowdowns attacks. imho TFIII is the far superior TF in many ways.

Aldynes is a neat shewty as well and uses some huge boss sprites and real parallax scrollings thanks to the SGFX additional hardware support. also quite nice in the sound departement, but all around nothing big that the "normal" PCE couldn't have handled in an almost similar way.

so i think non of the above shewties are super-duper titles, since all have their weaknesses. but i probably would go with aldynes, since it is an unique piece, without any predecessors it has to measure itself against.

and last but not least, also because it is le obey, which the other two clearly are not

[jperryss]

Why the fuck did you post that image vestcunt, ughafdsfafdqewrfsd

No kidding. "There's a Random Pictures thread, but hell, I'll drop it right here!"

[YANDMAN]

Seriously, Super R-Type? Not Macross SV?

Why even include SNES at all?

I'm guessing that Super Gradius III is being saved for a Gradius II versus.

R-type 3 isn't super R-Type but i agree macross kicks the ass of all these games.

[JoshTurboTrollX]

Thunder Force IV is a damn brilliant chootie.

Why the fuck did you post that image vestcunt, ughafdsfafdqewrfsd

Agreed, we all get it Vesty- you hate these threads, but thread crapping each one like this is more annoying.

[NecroPhile]

so i think non of the above shewties are super-duper titles, since all have their weaknesses. but i probably would go with aldynes, since it is an unique piece, without any predecessors it has to measure itself against.

and last but not least, also because it is le obey, which the other two clearly are not

This, plus Aldynes has some sweet tunes.

[Opethian]

TFIV would be nice wihtout the slowdown

R-type III is poo id rather play Pulstar

Aldynes wins for obey and awesome chip choones

[Otaking]

R-Type III gets my vote, one of the best shooters on the snes.
TFIV is probably my favourite Gensissy shooter.
Aldynes is a bit above average game IMO.

[Tatsujin]

LOL

[CrackTiger]

LOL

The SNES is his favorite console, so the Nintendo version of "le obey" factors in just as it did for you.

However, "one of the best shooters for SNES" isn't a compliment if you aren't a SNES fanboy.

Imagine how this comment would go down in a softcore retro forum:

New Adventure Island gets my vote, one of the best platformers for PC Engine.
Sonic the Hedgehog 2 is probably my favorite Genesissy platformer.
Super Mario World is a bit above average game IMO.

[Tatsujin]

[Mathius]

TFIV...man this shootie doesn't love me back. She's beautiful but the large scrolling playfield makes me feel like I am missing out on something awesome going on above or below me.

R-Type III? I have only played it via emulator. Can't really comment.

Looks like our exclusive SuperGrafx hori shmup-pee-poo wins. Even though I can't get very far.

[Joe Redifer]

Thunder Force 4 has the best graphics and music. I agree with Mathius that the screens can get too tall, though. Super R-Type is pretty good and I like the challenge. Aldynes was only slightly above generic. It had some good music but there really wasn't anything else memorable about it. The colors were pretty boring from what I played. If it were 100% the same on the Genesis nobody here would care about it.

[Tatsujin]

If it were 100% the same on the Genesis nobody here would care about it.

sure wrong dat

[TurboXray]

I like Aldynes, but man - TFIV just has soooo much going for it. I wouldn't put Aldynes in the same league as TFIV. Though, Gaiares >>>> TFIV ;)

[Joe Redifer]

Gaiares is definitely something special. And I'll always pronounce it (incorrectly) as Guyers.

[sirhcman]

Seeing as none are turbografx games I vote for the thread to be deleted.

[SamIAm]

I chose Aldynes. Even though the graphics are somewhat generic and its gameplay system was nothing particularly innovative at the time, its gameplay is nonetheless the most perfectly tuned. Enemy behavior and placement, enemy size and speed, bullet size and speed, control of your ship, your weapons and supports, and more; there's nothing that I would change.

Aldynes has awesome music too, and otherwise good atmosphere, so I don't think it has any real weaknesses.

Sometimes when I die in TFIV, I get this feeling like they were actively trying to piss me off. When I die in Aldynes, I feel humble, like I let the game down. That's why I wind up respecting Aldynes more.

TFIV has amazing graphics, and one of my all-time favorite Genesis soundtracks, but playing it really stresses me out sometimes.

[FraGMarE]

Thunder Force 4 has the best graphics and music. I agree with Mathius that the screens can get too tall, though. Super R-Type is pretty good and I like the challenge. Aldynes was only slightly above generic. It had some good music but there really wasn't anything else memorable about it. The colors were pretty boring from what I played. If it were 100% the same on the Genesis nobody here would care about it.

Man, I think Aldynes is woefully underappreciated.  I'd still pick TFIV for the more colorful graphics and legendary soundtrack, but I'd say Aldynes is definitely in the same league as far as gameplay and overall enjoyment.  And the Aldynes soundtrack has got to be in the top three HuCard PSG soundtracks out there... then again, TFIV is probably in the top three Genesis soundtracks too.  Plus, I prefer the music style in TFIV more.

Aldynes really feels like a precursor to Gate of Thunder, to me.  In fact, I think it shares some of the same development staff that would later become Red.

R-Type III - The Third Lightning on the SNES is really good too, but I don't like how it's even slower paced than R-Type 1 and 2.  The first R-Type in the arcade and on the PC-Engine was brilliant.  Arcade R-Type II was also brilliant.  Super R-Type was a complete disaster, i thought... they tried to remix R-Type II, but managed to completely botch it.  Always made me wish Irem would have done a real port of the arcade R-Type II for the PCE or PCE CD... Irem seemed to have a hard on for bringing arcade accurate ports to the PCE.

[o.pwuaioc]

R-Type III - The Third Lightning on the SNES is really good too, but I don't like how it's even slower paced than R-Type 1 and 2.  The first R-Type in the arcade and on the PC-Engine was brilliant.  Arcade R-Type II was also brilliant.  Super R-Type was a complete disaster, i thought... they tried to remix R-Type II, but managed to completely botch it.  Always made me wish Irem would have done a real port of the arcade R-Type II for the PCE or PCE CD... Irem seemed to have a hard on for bringing arcade accurate ports to the PCE.

Agreed! I'm really surprised that more people like Super R-Type. For me, once I played the actual R-Type II on the PS1, I sold Super R-Type and didn't look back. I won't get it, I guess.

R-Type III is all sorts of awesome, though. I've played it a lot recently, which maybe influenced my decision, but on retrospect, had I not played it so recently, I probably would have chosen Thunder Force IV.

[Nando]

3 pages and no pictures? tsk, tsk, tsk.

[Mathius]

TFIV has amazing graphics, and one of my all-time favorite Genesis soundtracks, but playing it really stresses me out sometimes.

This sums up my feelings on TFIV. If we were talking music TFIV would win. IF we were talking which game is the most stressful TFIV would take home the gold as well.

[CrackTiger]

Gaiares is definitely something special. And I'll always pronounce it (incorrectly) as Guyers.

I will always pronounced it as Gary's.

[Joe Redifer]

For me, once I played the actual R-Type II on the PS1, I sold Super R-Type and didn't look back. I won't get it, I guess.

For me, it's the music. R-Type 2 has that woefully bad IREM arcade music that sounds like an underpowered bandsaw trying to cut a large cockroach in half... and failing. IREM arcade music is unlistenable. I'd rather drill out my own eardrums. There's absolutely no low end whatsoever. Why didn't IREM notice how bad their arcade games sound when they chose to use whatever shitty chip they used? IREM must be deaf. Super R-Type sounds MUCH better and actually has god music. Same goes for PCE R-Type.

[Mathius]

For me, once I played the actual R-Type II on the PS1, I sold Super R-Type and didn't look back. I won't get it, I guess.

For me, it's the music. R-Type 2 has that woefully bad IREM arcade music that sounds like an underpowered bandsaw trying to cut a large cockroach in half... and failing. IREM arcade music is unlistenable. I'd rather drill out my own eardrums. There's absolutely no low end whatsoever. Why didn't IREM notice how bad their arcade games sound when they chose to use whatever shitty chip they used? IREM must be deaf. Super R-Type sounds MUCH better and actually has god music. Same goes for PCE R-Type.

The tunes in X-Multiply are pretty cool. Give it a check.

https://www.youtube.com/user/PearlJamOfficial/videos

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[FraGMarE]

3 pages and no pictures? tsk, tsk, tsk.

Screens added to front page.

For me, once I played the actual R-Type II on the PS1, I sold Super R-Type and didn't look back. I won't get it, I guess.

For me, it's the music. R-Type 2 has that woefully bad IREM arcade music that sounds like an underpowered bandsaw trying to cut a large cockroach in half... and failing. IREM arcade music is unlistenable. I'd rather drill out my own eardrums. There's absolutely no low end whatsoever. Why didn't IREM notice how bad their arcade games sound when they chose to use whatever shitty chip they used? IREM must be deaf. Super R-Type sounds MUCH better and actually has god music. Same goes for PCE R-Type.

Improved music or not, Super R-Type is just a brick.  It's like they lost all hope of doing a faithful conversion of R-Type II on the SNES and just said, "Fuck it.  We're too far along to back out.  We'll do what we can and call it something else."  R-Type III, by comparison, was pretty amazing.  I just didn't like the pacing of the game compared to R-Type 1 or 2, but the sound is decent and the graphics are wonderful.

[Joe Redifer]

The only reason I own Super R-Type is to listen to the sound test. I can't get very far in it and it sets you way back to the very beginning of the stage when you die. I can't get very far in R-Type 2 either (which I believe I have on the PS1 game called R-Types). Neither have the appeal of the first game.

[o.pwuaioc]

The only reason I own Super R-Type is to listen to the sound test. I can't get very far in it and it sets you way back to the very beginning of the stage when you die. I can't get very far in R-Type 2 either (which I believe I have on the PS1 game called R-Types). Neither have the appeal of the first game.

But at least R-Type II (which indeed is on R-Types) doesn't throw you all the way back to the beginning. It's absolutely not as good as the first, but eh, I wouldn't call it bad either. I didnt' think about the appeal of the sound test, and I'll definitely give you the music. For once the  SNES beats the arcade in the sound department! (OK, not for once, but still not too common of an occurrence.)

[Tatsujin]

The only reason I own Super R-Type is to listen to the sound test. I can't get very far in it and it sets you way back to the very beginning of the stage when you die. I can't get very far in R-Type 2 either (which I believe I have on the PS1 game called R-Types). Neither have the appeal of the first game.

play it then on easy and it's the greatest cake walk of ever.

and yeah, x-mulitply BGM is one of the best 80s arcade BGMs.

and no, Super R-Type on the SFC sounds super cheap with that generic trumpet max reverb and pizza string etc. cheapy tunes.

[RyuHayabusa]

I love the music of Super R-Type, especially the extended stage 1 theme that you can only hear all the way through with the sound test. Pretty much every tune rocks. Despite all the slowdown I still think Super R-Type is awesome. The first stage is weak but the rest is great.

[Tatsujin]

I think it's boring and I have/keep it in my collection for r-type/irem reasons only.

[FraGMarE]

generic trumpet max reverb and pizza string etc

LOL you just described 50% of the SNES library's music. 

[A Black Falcon]

Yeah, Lightening Force definitely wins this one.  All three are fantastic games, which makes this a tough competition, but Lightening Force is my favorite Genesis shmup, and it takes a small edge here.  Aldynes definitely makes me want a SuperGrafx sometime, though...


As for Super R-Type, I like the game -- it was the first shmup I got when I got my SNES back in '05, and I actually finished it, something I still haven't managed with R-Type on TG16.  Sure, you restart the level when you die in Super R-Type, but you have unlimited continues, so I could just keep trying until I got each level right.  In TG16 R-Type, you have to restart the whole game after about 15-20 continues (using the code for extra credits), which just is too few -- I can't beat R-Type on so few continues, I always run out somewhere in level 5 or 6.  The version of R-Type I've managed to finish is the GB/C version (R-Type DX, which is R-Type 1 and 2), which has a level-select which saves which levels you have unlocked and infinite continues.  Also it only has 11 levels, since three were cut from those ports.  It's a really great game though, on any platform.  The first R-Type game probably is the best R-Type one... the sequels are good, but the first one set the standard.  Still, R-Type III is great, and in most ways is a great improvement over Super R-Type, with less slowdown, better graphics, and more.

[Tatsujin]

generic trumpet max reverb and pizza string etc

LOL you just described 50% of the SNES library's music. 

that's unfortunately right my dear

that's why so many musics on the snes ages so baddly.