Ian doesn't know the definition of "censorship"

[Medic_wheat]

cen·sor·ship
ˈsensərˌSHip/
noun
the practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts.

[HailingTheThings]

I already think that Pat is a bit of a f**k and the more of these clips I see, the more I dislike Ian. :3

[ToyMachine78]

Those two really get on my nerves. I unsubscribed.

[SignOfZeta]

So what's exactly is your point?

I mean, other than to bring up the CUPCast for the sole purpose of complaining about it yet again again.

[Medic_wheat]

So what's exactly is your point?

I mean, other than to bring up the CUPCast for the sole purpose of complaining about it yet again again.

Clearly it was to generate more post counts so I can participate if those free raffle giveaways. Lol



On. Serious note. Meh. It just irked me that they couldn't even stay consistent on what they considered censorship let alone the berating of fans or at the very least interested gamers in the Capcom fighter by bashing them for being to immature as the grip they had is invalid due to the nature of the change to the game.

[SignOfZeta]

Why would you be upset because they berate fans? Fans are fucking idiots.

But more importantly, can you elaborate on the censorship thing? I don't understand whatever the disconnect is you are trying to point out. All you did was post a video and a definition of censorship. What does that mean?

Also, please link to your awesome podcast where you never say anything stupid.

[PukeSter]

Either Zeta is on his period, or someone else got the wishbone from the turkey today.

[TurboXray]

Either Zeta is on his period, or someone else got the wishbone from the turkey today.

This is Zeta being Zeta. He doesn't sugar coat it.

[DildoKKKobold]

Why would you be upset because they berate fans? Fans are fucking idiots.

But more importantly, can you elaborate on the censorship thing? I don't understand whatever the disconnect is you are trying to point out. All you did was post a video and a definition of censorship. What does that mean?

Also, please link to your awesome podcast where you never say anything stupid.

So what's exactly is your point in this post?

I mean, other than to post again for the sole purpose of complaining about the content of a thread yet again.

Sorry, my hypocrisy meter exploded. The king of complaining like an old man is mad because someone is complaining about something?

[SignOfZeta]

I'm not "mad" because someone is complaining about something. I literally don't know WTF his point was. Is he saying that Captain Caveman's definition of censorship is inconsistent with the dictionary definition? Or that it should be? Or what?

Obviously you know what he was talking about, maybe you can explain it better than he did.

[seieienbu]

R. Mika was only in one other SF game, Street Fighter Alpha 3.  Nobody played her and she wasn't good, however, it became trendy to bombard Capcom with requests to put her in SF5.  Most people playing SF games these days wasn't old enough to take SFA3 with any seriousness.  However, these players continually tweeted and posted on forums for years for R Mika to come back so now she's in SF5.  Realistically, she was only wanted in the game for two reasons: sex appeal, and weirdness factor.  The sex appeal is pretty easy to explain; there's a girl in a thong who hits people with her ass.  The weirdness factor is a bit harder to explain.  Pick an odd-man-out and unloved character to give yourself insta cred and then pretend (and pretend loudly online) that this is a character that you would definitely main.

It's the same reason that people want Q in SF5; he's an unpopular character that was bad in the only SF game he ever appeared in.  Only one guy in the world used him and this guy happens to be the strongest player of SF3 with about half of the characters in the cast.  There were never hordes of Q players but he had a weird gimmick allowing him to get tons more life and it was easy to do meaning people thought they understood how to play him.  However, after getting the hit points, what's next?  Nothing, Q's offense sucks and the other player will likely slowly whittle away at your larger life pool.  People who actually play these games don't care about Q because why should they?  All that being the case, only a TRUE street fighter fan would want to play the character, RIGHT!?  Therefore if you claim you want Q on the roster then that proves TO THE WORLD that you really know your stuff!

Back to the topic at hand, however, R Mika has a large portion of her current popularity specifically due to her sex appeal.  I'm positive that Capcom knows this and the only reason I can fathom for them to remove it is due to the potential concern of getting rated M or whatever rather than T.  If that's the case, and Capcom feels that the T rating is more important for sales than added sex appeal, then fine, take out an ass slap or a camera shot panning up behind Cammy's thong (not that said camera shot stopped SF4 from being rated T).

...yes, there was one specific time during B4 when R Mika was selected as a dumb counter pick in the finals and she lost anyway accomplishing nothing more than landing 3 tick 720 supers.  Anyway, I'm at least a bit curious if this podcast will complain about DoA Volleyball 3 not receiving a US release.

[Psycho Punch]

R. Mika was only in one other SF game, Street Fighter Alpha 3.  Nobody played her and she wasn't good, however, it became trendy to bombard Capcom with requests to put her in SF5.  Most people playing SF games these days wasn't old enough to take SFA3 with any seriousness.  However, these players continually tweeted and posted on forums for years for R Mika to come back so now she's in SF5.  Realistically, she was only wanted in the game for two reasons: sex appeal, and weirdness factor.  The sex appeal is pretty easy to explain; there's a girl in a thong who hits people with her ass.  The weirdness factor is a bit harder to explain.  Pick an odd-man-out and unloved character to give yourself insta cred and then pretend (and pretend loudly online) that this is a character that you would definitely main.

It's the same reason that people want Q in SF5; he's an unpopular character that was bad in the only SF game he ever appeared in.  Only one guy in the world used him and this guy happens to be the strongest player of SF3 with about half of the characters in the cast.  There were never hordes of Q players but he had a weird gimmick allowing him to get tons more life and it was easy to do meaning people thought they understood how to play him.  However, after getting the hit points, what's next?  Nothing, Q's offense sucks and the other player will likely slowly whittle away at your larger life pool.  People who actually play these games don't care about Q because why should they?  All that being the case, only a TRUE street fighter fan would want to play the character, RIGHT!?  Therefore if you claim you want Q on the roster then that proves TO THE WORLD that you really know your stuff!

Back to the topic at hand, however, R Mika has a large portion of her current popularity specifically due to her sex appeal.  I'm positive that Capcom knows this and the only reason I can fathom for them to remove it is due to the potential concern of getting rated M or whatever rather than T.  If that's the case, and Capcom feels that the T rating is more important for sales than added sex appeal, then fine, take out an ass slap or a camera shot panning up behind Cammy's thong (not that said camera shot stopped SF4 from being rated T).

...yes, there was one specific time during B4 when R Mika was selected as a dumb counter pick in the finals and she lost anyway accomplishing nothing more than landing 3 tick 720 supers.  Anyway, I'm at least a bit curious if this podcast will complain about DoA Volleyball 3 not receiving a US release. 

in short, people are mad at video games

[SuperDeadite]

Karin's return is all that matters

[SignOfZeta]

If I wanted to complain about where Street Fighter is these days I wouldn't start with crotches.

[ToyMachine78]

Camel toes, ass shots, and bouncing boobies are the hallmarks of any great fighter. Lol

[Medic_wheat]

Camel toes, ass shots, and bouncing boobies are the hallmarks of any great fighter. Lol

This is true.

[Medic_wheat]

Okay I thought my subversive link to video. Title to thread and definition of the word and topic the two you tubers couldn't grasp was enough of an indication


But for those of you who think I did not clearly state my "disconnect" here we go.


My knee jerk reaction to the video is the gull Isn displayed in his argument that Capcom isn't censoring their game because "it's in beta" and "hey can do what ever they want to their game" with a dash of "learn the definition of the word censorship".


At most Pat got it with the use of the term self censorship but quickly backed down as Ian is the alpha in their relationship.


Although I agree with Ian's point that why the creator and publisher can do as they please with their IP what is being down is a DIRECT response to public opinion in the form of censorship.


Now would I have gone the route of be littering people interested in this IP by saying oh it's ass shots and crotch shoots being censored who cares if it's a big deal to you then you are immature or have bigger issues.

No. For me it is not what is being censored. It is THAT censorship is occurring at all. Personally I am tired of a minority of the market dictating to the masses what is and isn't allowed in the US. What bothers me more is that those who are demanding these changes with cries of decisions and so forth are not even the target audience. Let along are these same people the ones who would have bought Capcoms game should it have been the most PC game in existence.

So why get on ended knee for a sub group that isn't interested in your product.


Would it make seance for me to go and boycot the next chick flick movie because there wasn't enough gun fights and explosions?  No. I was never the target audience. What do you think that hurt the sales of Magic Miek XL? Or the Sisterhood of the Travaling Pants?

But yeah. There is a more details point of view and response to this video.


Also I'll get right right you on that pod cast video where I make no mistakes.


But first I need to generate a following earn "blank" income to call it a job and pedal my wares as well as be invited to various expos and conventions as a public speaker and export on video games.

[o.pwuaioc]

This is stupid.

[SignOfZeta]

In general, "censorship" is usually in reference (as your definition says) to prohibitions of an official capacity. Not "official" as in "Official NASCAR Merchandise" but official as in legal. There has been no legal censorship of this work. It hasn't even been released yet. Things change during development and until someone explains otherwise there is no way to know why they made these changes. Maybe they decided they wanted to make sure all the arcades in Abu Dabi would buy their standups. Maybe the director's wife bitched him out for it or maybe he just woke up one day and said, "Fuck, I was way too horny when I created that camera motion. What am I, twelve?" and made it less creepy and disgusting completely of his own volition. Artists honestly do this ALL THE TIME. Its been going on since the middle ages, verified by xray and contemporary accounts.

Honestly, they can censor the whole POS game out of existence for all I care, I just don't quite get the specific accusation you are making. Did he say something contradictory to your defintion? I don't see it.

Full disclosure: I would probably be a bit more on your side (assuming your stance is that you wish the twats were back in full frame purely for reasons of artistic integrity) if not for the fact that the subject matter is just so...low. I mean...fuck, who gives a shit? Everything in this game is so sorta...slimy looking. A little too Heavy Metal Magazine for my tastes. Aesthetics originally created in the abstract due to hardware limitations now have just way WAY too much detail. Few would complain of Mita's butt slap in the original 240p fixed camera iteration. The camera drone goes full macro extension on some of this new shit though. Can you sue a drone for sexual assault? I don't need to see the string coming out of Chun Li's tampon for fuck's sake.

Also: I've been an online acquaintance of Ian's for many years, long before he was rich and famous. I don't know him super well, and have never met him in person, but I know him better than I know any of the bastards on this forum. I didn't even know he was rich and famous until this podcast had been going for a while. I sometimes listen to it (I never watch it. Never.), and frankly, I don't understand why people like it so much. Its really long and way too mainstream and pisses away a lot of time on "news" type crap and superhero/WWE bullshit that I can't imagine anyone in the world caring about who doesn't already have their own podcast...which apparently the entire audience does because why are we talking about Youtube revenue streams like this was a 10 year old episode of TWiT? So in other words, I vouch for him but not really the show, which is just another one of those shows I don't like but with slightly better sound quality. That said, I don't get the weird situation where people, apparently, hate watch podcasts like they were Sharknado sequels. The whole idea is weird. If you don't like it, just watch one of the 50,000 other otakutopical wankfests going on somewhere on the internet. Or, preferably, just stop watching any of that shit and do something you legitimately enjoy.

Okay I thought my subversive link to video. Title to thread and definition of the word and topic the two you tubers couldn't grasp was enough of an indication


But for those of you who think I did not clearly state my "disconnect" here we go.


My knee jerk reaction to the video is the gull Isn displayed in his argument that Capcom isn't censoring their game because "it's in beta" and "hey can do what ever they want to their game" with a dash of "learn the definition of the word censorship".


At most Pat got it with the use of the term self censorship but quickly backed down as Ian is the alpha in their relationship.


Although I agree with Ian's point that why the creator and publisher can do as they please with their IP what is being down is a DIRECT response to public opinion in the form of censorship.


Now would I have gone the route of be littering people interested in this IP by saying oh it's ass shots and crotch shoots being censored who cares if it's a big deal to you then you are immature or have bigger issues.

No. For me it is not what is being censored. It is THAT censorship is occurring at all. Personally I am tired of a minority of the market dictating to the masses what is and isn't allowed in the US. What bothers me more is that those who are demanding these changes with cries of decisions and so forth are not even the target audience. Let along are these same people the ones who would have bought Capcoms game should it have been the most PC game in existence.

So why get on ended knee for a sub group that isn't interested in your product.


Would it make seance for me to go and boycot the next chick flick movie because there wasn't enough gun fights and explosions?  No. I was never the target audience. What do you think that hurt the sales of Magic Miek XL? Or the Sisterhood of the Travaling Pants?

But yeah. There is a more details point of view and response to this video.


Also I'll get right right you on that pod cast video where I make no mistakes.


But first I need to generate a following earn "blank" income to call it a job and pedal my wares as well as be invited to various expos and conventions as a public speaker and export on video games.

[Medic_wheat]

Wow zeta. You really are white knighting the shit out of this.


Okay let's see if I can tackle your points. 




If you even had any


1) I don't care about the game in question.


Ok so who gives a fuck?

2). I am Ian's "internet friend"

Well it shows bias.

3). Why are we talking about a pod cast you hate?

Who said I hated it as a whole?  I had issue with one episodes lack of consistantcy more or less

4). But but internet monies.

Once again who the fuck cares?  Ian is mostly a lackey and unwilling (at one point) cohost to Pat. I'd like. It more to a guy who doesn't care about the role he plays but got use to sitting in front of a web cam and saying the first thing that comes to mind while at times bitching about his day job bitching about the average customer and bitching about his rise in notoriety through in part to his internet presence that has afforded him a measure of fame income and explore that he fell ass backwards into that other people try with all their best to create for themselves. Granted I honestly do not feel it is something he wanted just put up with.

5). What their a fith?  Oh the used and source of a definition of the word censorship.

Dude honestly it was the first fucking definition that came up when you typed the word in Google. Take it for what you want. You got beef with a definition talk to google. Or my use of Google it's really your call.



Bottom line Seta you have shown your hand that what really pissed you off is that you felt defensive over a internet friend. Your disconnect is your inability to separate criticism and personal feelings you had because Ian's name was on the title of this thread.


If it had been any other commentator other then your internet friend eithe rnobfucks would be given by you or you would possibly have had a different perspective.

[Medic_wheat]

I hate auto correct I hate that I use to fat thumbs to type and I am so not correcting any of this.


My past shitty post on this forum and every other forum in existence shall attest to this.

[SignOfZeta]

My problem isn't that I have bias (Sorry, I know this is an issue. I'll try to never meet anyone from now on. That should fix this problem.) The problem isn't the Internet's definition of censorship. The problem is that you started this thread with a post that has very little original content in it and I don't understand WTF you were talking about.

You seem to be saying that Ian doesn't know the definition of the word, but you're going to have to explain that somewhat if you want me to leave you alone on that. Are you saying he doesn't know what censorship is? That's the question I've asked you like five times now. If there is a problem with Ian's definition of censorship...let us hear it. It took you five minutes to watch that dumb video and you spent five seconds defaming it. Don't be surprised if someone asks for clarification because I have a much better  idea of what these Phish flakes are talking about than you. Me knowing one of them might have something to with it, maybe that's all of it, but maybe you made a stupid post.

Btw, don't worry about spelling and such. I'm not one of those assholes. I do get on people for not having their situation under control plot-wise.

[Medic_wheat]

Well I am at a loss to provide you the means to grasp my intent.



If you cannot understand that Ian's statement that what Capcon is doing is not a form of censorship and that people calling it censorship should learn the definition.

And my assertion that the definition is a text book example CENSORSHIP. /'d that Ian is the one who needs to learn the definition is to hard of a concept for you to grasp. Well I am sorry I don't know how to explain it at the level you would need.


Maybe you disagree with the "internets" definition of the word censorship?

Let's give you various definitions and you tell me how Capcom's decision to perform self censorship and you tell me how the use of the word censorship is incorrect. And YOU tell me what word best decries the actions that Capcom has taken on their IP.


censorship
Think you know censorship? Quiz yourself:

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Which of the following would most likely be considered censorship?
promoting a bestseller in a book store
editing a book for grammatical errors
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Censorship blocks something from being read, heard, or seen. If you've ever heard the sound of bleeping when someone is speaking on television, that's censorship.

Censorship
1. The denial of freedom of speech or freedom of the press.
2. The review of books, movies, etc., to prohibit publication and distribution, usually for reasons of morality or state security.
--Oran's Dictionary of Law

Censorship: official restriction of any expression believed to threaten the political, social, or moral order.
--Encyclopedia.Com

Censorship - the prevention of publication, transmission, or exhibition of material considered undesirable for the general public to possess or be exposed to.
--Fast Times' Political Dictionary (Fast Times is "a nonpartisan publication on contemporary world affairs & media with no political, ideological, or religious affiliation of any kind.")

Censorship: the cyclical suppression, banning, expurgation, or editing by an individual, institution, group or government that enforce or influence its decision against members of the public -- of any written or pictorial materials which that individual, institution, group or government deems obscene and "utterly" without redeeming social value," as determined by "contemporary community standards."
--Chuck Stone, Professor of Journalism and Mass Communication, University of North Carolina

[geise]

Karin's return is all that matters

This.

Now about the censorship with SF5, it's rediculous.  This is nowhere near as bad as say...Metal Gear Solid V and the character Quiet.  Not that I personally care.  Censorship is a little out of hand with "skin showing" and tend to forget how the rating systems should be working.  There should be no way that a Mika ass slap should warrant an M rating for SF5, and if it gets taken out of the US version expect all the people seieienbu talked about to be importing.

[SephirothTNH]

...if it gets taken out of the US version...

That's not what's happening though.  At least as far as I understand it.  There isn't going to be a Japanese "ass slap" version and a US "no slap" version.  During development there was a decision to remove the ass slap.  I don't personally know why the decision was made; I'm not following the SF5 development. 

Ian's argument seems to be that this is just part of the development process and not censorship.  If you are a game dev and for your own reasons decide to cover some skin up or remove some blood during beta is that censorship?  If your game has an open beta and people can see the change does that make it censorship? 

[Medic_wheat]

...if it gets taken out of the US version...

That's not what's happening though.  At least as far as I understand it.  There isn't going to be a Japanese "ass slap" version and a US "no slap" version.  During development there was a decision to remove the ass slap.  I don't personally know why the decision was made; I'm not following the SF5 development. 

Ian's argument seems to be that this is just part of the development process and not censorship.  If you are a game dev and for your own reasons decide to cover some skin up or remove some blood during beta is that censorship?  If your game has an open beta and people can see the change does that make it censorship? 

This is my point. Which I feel Ian and Pat did a poor job of discussing.

Frankly I view it as self censorship as Capcom made the choice to remove objectable content then on that bases alone it is a form of self censorship.


Take another fighter that posed similar censorship. When mortal combat and DC had their cross over. The joker was to have a finishing move that DC requested was removed as their character where on a no fatalities list.

But we all saw beta footage of the fatality prior.

And the fatality remained but the "death" part had the camera pan away to Joker thus leaving the death ambiguous.

Then we saw that same fatality recycled and restored in the break away hit MK9.

To me that was a form of self censorship that occurred during beta that to my knowledge was something. Both gamers, developers, and gaming journalist agreed and stated was censorship.

[SephirothTNH]

This is my point.  Which I feel Ian and Pat did a poor job of discussing.

I'm not so sure you read me correctly then.  Going back to your original post/point; I wasn't agreeing that Ian is wrong.  Nor trying to prove him right for that matter. 

Frankly I view it as self censorship as Capcom made the choice to remove objectable content then on that bases alone it is a form of self censorship.

I'm not so sure.  I've personally not read any facts about why this was removed.  I've read lots of theories but I've not seen any proof that this was removed because it was objectionable.  If capcom changed it because they wanted: to alter the art direction, to change the characters persona, alter how players perceived her, make the character more serious etc.  I would argue that it wasn't censorship.  It's just changes during development.  Only if they removed it to please someone else , ie not capcom, then it would be censorship.  Be that users, ratings board, overly PC media etc. 

Take another fighter that posed similar censorship. When mortal combat and DC had their cross over. The joker was to have a finishing move that DC requested was removed as their character where on a no fatalities list.

But we all saw beta footage of the fatality prior.

And the fatality remained but the "death" part had the camera pan away to Joker thus leaving the death ambiguous.

Then we saw that same fatality recycled and restored in the break away hit MK9.

To me that was a form of self censorship that occurred during beta that to my knowledge was something. Both gamers, developers, and gaming journalist agreed and stated was censorship.

This is different though.  DC wanted the content removed and so Midway obliged and censored it.  There is no evidence that this is what happened here.  At least not that I'm aware of.  It's quite possible it was done to appease the ESRB or the overly PC but there is no evidence of it.

[Medic_wheat]

True we do not know the reason the content was removed for SFV.


But based on purse antidotal evidence I would appear it was due to the knee jerk reaction that the PC folks had and not from fans or potential buyers of the game.

[DildoKKKobold]

...if it gets taken out of the US version...

That's not what's happening though.  At least as far as I understand it.  There isn't going to be a Japanese "ass slap" version and a US "no slap" version.  During development there was a decision to remove the ass slap.  I don't personally know why the decision was made; I'm not following the SF5 development. 

There was talk of it being rated mature -

http://www.eventhubs.com/news/2015/jun/16/street-fighter-5-possibly-rated-mature-officially-available-pre-purchase-steam-pc-beta-details/

Later, it was rated Teen-

http://gameidealist.com/news/esrbs-rating-summary-for-street-fighter-v-talks-about-the-games-suggestive-themes-and-more/

My guess is that they made changes for the $$$. Its the same as movies, they aim for PG-13 to rake in more money, as you get more viewers.

[sirhcman]

My guess is that they made changes for the $$$. Its the same as movies, they aim for PG-13 to rake in more money, as you get more viewers.

Man that is one wild guess!

[geise]

No way...Capcom going for the money?  That's unheard of.

[Medic_wheat]

My guess is that they made changes for the $$$. Its the same as movies, they aim for PG-13 to rake in more money, as you get more viewers.

Man that is one wild guess!

I think you need to learn he definition of wild guess before you miss use it.


It more like cold hard fact.


Lol j/k

[Joe Redifer]

Frankly I view it as self censorship as Capcom made the choice to remove objectable content then on that bases alone it is a form of self censorship.

Doesn't matter how you label it, it was Capcom's choice. Just like it was Tecmo's choice not to release Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball 3 here. Neither company was shamed into doing so. You seem to view that as a bad thing, as if this should NEVER occur. Capcom had it one way and fuck them all to hell if they dare change it, even on their own accord. Your definition of censorship would even apply to the following scenario: Capcom designs ALL of the characters nude as base models. During development they eventually put clothes on them. There are many different costumes, but there is no option to play without the clothes as they were originally designed. Censorship! I don't think this is an issue at all, period. Judge the game by it's final release and quit feeling so entitled to ass slappage.

Also, fuck the CUPcast. Though not literally.

[CGQuarterly]

Frankly I view it as self censorship as Capcom made the choice to remove objectable content then on that bases alone it is a form of self censorship.

Doesn't matter how you label it, it was Capcom's choice. Just like it was Tecmo's choice not to release Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball 3 here. Neither company was shamed into doing so. You seem to view that as a bad thing, as if this should NEVER occur. Capcom had it one way and fuck them all to hell if they dare change it, even on their own accord. Your definition of censorship would even apply to the following scenario: Capcom designs ALL of the characters nude as base models. During development they eventually put clothes on them. There are many different costumes, but there is no option to play without the clothes as they were originally designed. Censorship! I don't think this is an issue at all, period. Judge the game by it's final release and quit feeling so entitled to ass slappage.

Correct answer.  If you think this is censorship, you need to get out more.

[Medic_wheat]

Frankly I view it as self censorship as Capcom made the choice to remove objectable content then on that bases alone it is a form of self censorship.

Doesn't matter how you label it, it was Capcom's choice. Just like it was Tecmo's choice not to release Dead or Alive Beach Volleyball 3 here. Neither company was shamed into doing so. You seem to view that as a bad thing, as if this should NEVER occur. Capcom had it one way and fuck them all to hell if they dare change it, even on their own accord. Your definition of censorship would even apply to the following scenario: Capcom designs ALL of the characters nude as base models. During development they eventually put clothes on them. There are many different costumes, but there is no option to play without the clothes as they were originally designed. Censorship! I don't think this is an issue at all, period. Judge the game by it's final release and quit feeling so entitled to ass slappage.

Also, fuck the CUPcast. Though not literally.

I would think you example of rendering nude models that are in development versus the current topic being a bit on the far fetched.

Now let's say this was about something that wasn't about a ass slap or crotch shot.

Because t is easy to say fuck it when it is something presumed a juvenile or childish.


Let's say

It was a mega man game (because we know you love you some mega man 😘) the remade the first game for the PSP and they changed one of the robot masters from black to another color because it looked like old characters of black people and possibly offensive to western audiences.

Oh wait that did happen.


Was it a good thing?  Hard to say honestly as it was premtive and most people where unaware of that change initially. Looking back yes it was a smart move on Capcom.

But that's not censorship that's some new word we have yet to define. Let's call it beta tweeking.


The fact of the matter is the definition of the word censorship fits for what is both perceived and most logical for what occurred in this instance.


And yes this week seems to have ballooned greatly with the whole DOA beach valleyball game. But I mean come on. It's dismissive because it has to do with subversive immature things.

Self censorship can be a good thing. It shows sensitivity as needed for changing times.

Black face on a video game targeted at young developing minds meant for a PG rating?  Makes sense and is appropriate.

Giggly boob physics and a chines women with thighs that could make Cerca 1986 Arnald jealous targeted at the 16 to 30 something crowed that is keeping in line with the games over all tone and design since SF II? Well it's simply what is expected.

Does it mean the game cannot grow or change?  No. But was that something this game was seeking to do?  Not likely.

[SephirothTNH]

Giggly boob physics

This made me giggle.  Could you imagine if all the boobs in fighting games over the years were laughing at you instead of bouncing around.

[johnnykonami]

I don't really have any comments about the video (other than I thought the left guy had t-rex arms for a little while until he moved them), but I was always a fan of Mika and Karin from SF3, so I will gladly enjoy any bare skin Capcom wants to throw at us.  Even if it doesn't make it in there, hey, at least we have the footage to see it!  That's cool.

I used to do some QA in the mid 2000's, and I guess I won't mention the game but it was a multi-plat Volleyball game for Xbox/PS2 and I forget what else.  Maybe you can guess.  Just for some background, I had kind of a reputation for finding pervy stuff in games around the office.  So I'm testing this game and noticed when a certain female character jumps up for a spike, during the camera replay you can see her goods.  Like textured goods.  I asked the lead if I should submit it, and we captured some footage of it to send to them.  Apparently it was silently handled and one day it comes back closed.  We're now doing regression tests to see if you can see this chick's vag for the rest of the time the game is in with us.  No idea what happened over at the developer's studio, but someone was at least heavily reprimanded over that one.

[geise]

Hmm...this wasn't even an issue with SFZ3.  Guess pixels don't count.  Did capcom remove after hearing flack or just decided it was for the best before it all happened?  I take it mom's found their kids playing the open beta and cried foul?  Or, wait let me guess 2349873245987 media outlets made it into a huge fucking deal like every scantily clothed girl in a AAA game.

[Medic_wheat]

I don't really have any comments about the video (other than I thought the left guy had t-rex arms for a little while until he moved them), but I was always a fan of Mika and Karin from SF3, so I will gladly enjoy any bare skin Capcom wants to throw at us.  Even if it doesn't make it in there, hey, at least we have the footage to see it!  That's cool.

I used to do some QA in the mid 2000's, and I guess I won't mention the game but it was a multi-plat Volleyball game for Xbox/PS2 and I forget what else.  Maybe you can guess.  Just for some background, I had kind of a reputation for finding pervy stuff in games around the office.  So I'm testing this game and noticed when a certain female character jumps up for a spike, during the camera replay you can see her goods.  Like textured goods.  I asked the lead if I should submit it, and we captured some footage of it to send to them.  Apparently it was silently handled and one day it comes back closed.  We're now doing regression tests to see if you can see this chick's vag for the rest of the time the game is in with us.  No idea what happened over at the developer's studio, but someone was at least heavily reprimanded over that one.

That is an interesting story. Reminds me of all of the subversive things Dinsey animators would place in their animated films that you see for half a frame.

Like Roger Rabbits girlfriends bush

That single still image of a nude live action women in the first rescuers down under movie

And so forth.

Seems this was something that didn't get past the QA testing (what you found).

[Medic_wheat]

Hmm...this wasn't even an issue with SFZ3.  Guess pixels don't count.  Did capcom remove after hearing flack or just decided it was for the best before it all happened?  I take it mom's found their kids playing the open beta and cried foul?  Or, wait let me guess 2349873245987 media outlets made it into a huge fucking deal like every scantily clothed girl in a AAA game.

Frankly it is not clear. And by that Capcom or a PR for the Devon team behind the game have made no official statement as to why they have changed these aspects of the game.

But it seems highly probable it was something done due curve current outcry and potential furthers issues that could be easily modified prior to the games release instead of a patch.

Now if it only the NA release of the game being altered remains to be seen.

[johnnykonami]

I don't really have any comments about the video (other than I thought the left guy had t-rex arms for a little while until he moved them), but I was always a fan of Mika and Karin from SF3, so I will gladly enjoy any bare skin Capcom wants to throw at us.  Even if it doesn't make it in there, hey, at least we have the footage to see it!  That's cool.

I used to do some QA in the mid 2000's, and I guess I won't mention the game but it was a multi-plat Volleyball game for Xbox/PS2 and I forget what else.  Maybe you can guess.  Just for some background, I had kind of a reputation for finding pervy stuff in games around the office.  So I'm testing this game and noticed when a certain female character jumps up for a spike, during the camera replay you can see her goods.  Like textured goods.  I asked the lead if I should submit it, and we captured some footage of it to send to them.  Apparently it was silently handled and one day it comes back closed.  We're now doing regression tests to see if you can see this chick's vag for the rest of the time the game is in with us.  No idea what happened over at the developer's studio, but someone was at least heavily reprimanded over that one.

That is an interesting story. Reminds me of all of the subversive things Dinsey animators would place in their animated films that you see for half a frame.

Like Roger Rabbits girlfriends bush

That single still image of a nude live action women in the first rescuers down under movie

And so forth.

Seems this was something that didn't get past the QA testing (what you found).

If it had, it would have cost the publisher tens of thousands of dollars on certification costs.  You can't let that stuff slip at all in video games, someone running the certification at Sony or wherever will catch it and fail it immediately.  I do think some things have changed a little since I was doing QA, as you see more sexual content/nudity in some games, but I still think it probably has to be pretty discreet to pass.  No way a full blown image of genitals would fly, that I'm pretty sure about.  Maybe on PC!  I think the Witcher is supposed to have some pretty racy stuff.

[SignOfZeta]

Maybe when you guys are out of high school and have your own bedroom and everything you'll understand that some people might not actually want their game to be more pervy. I lost interst in SF when it went 3D. If I hadn't, I'd lose faith in a SF that is as pervy as DoA. SF has been rated T since the SNES. I don't see any reason to move...upmarket. I don't wish Taco Bell had topless clerks or that Benji movies had scenes of beheading. I actually *don't* want as much sex and violence as possible injected into every single aspect of my life. Not because I'm PC or have kids or whatever horseshit catagory of people you want to blame this non-event on. I just don't want it. For myself.

The series Back to the Future, Ghostbusters, Star Wars, and Raiders are special movies because they are...more or less...family friendly. The level of sex and violence was enough to tell the story but not enough to give boners to a generation of Internet porn addicted wankers so desensitized to the more base human activities that it would take them an act of supreme effort just to be able to jerk off without a web browser. These series are also hugely respected and popular earning tons of money every time they are released on home video or threatrically.

Maybe Capcom is just making sure they stay in that catagory, which, video game-wise, Street Figher generally does.

Another thing to consider, Japan has ratings too now, and they are pretty much the same.

The MK DC story is depressing. I forgot something so tasteles got made. What a stupid fucking idea.

[Opethian]

This is stupid.

this is true

[Medic_wheat]

This is stupid.

this is true

Awe but I usually create stupid threads.

It's the unique flair I provide to these forums. 

[ClodBusted]

If I remember correctly, I saw some male genitalia in GTA V or IV on Xbox 360. Probably V, since it also had female nipples exposed.

About the polygon SF games, well, their graphics style is not my taste. I stick with Super SFII the New Challengers on SNES, which also had nicely drawn character art beside pixel graphics. When the series went Alpha, the character style became too much Anime for my taste.

[johnnykonami]

If I remember correctly, I saw some male genitalia in GTA V or IV on Xbox 360. Probably V, since it also had female nipples exposed.

About the polygon SF games, well, their graphics style is not my taste. I stick with Super SFII the New Challengers on SNES, which also had nicely drawn character art beside pixel graphics. When the series went Alpha, the character style became too much Anime for my taste.

Yeah, it might be allowed now, I'm not sure what's needed but it's probably still unusual.