TG-16 Games Complete Question

FridaysFullName · 02/23/2016, 11:43 AM

Well as you can probably tell I am new here and I am looking to get into the TG-16. I as most I am sure never had one when I was younger and it seems that in face fuels the want for one now.

I am going to start looking for a TG-16 system very soon and I had a question about buying the games. What constitutes a complete TG-16 game? I know that brand new the games had an outer cardboard box.

My question is as far as getting pricing from http://videogames.pricecharting.com/ does a TG-16 need to have the out cardboard box to be considered complete or as long as it has the jewel case with the manual enough?

MNKyDeth · 02/23/2016, 11:56 AM

Ok, I didn't even know what that site was...

I don't think any of those prices are accurate in any way, imo. I did a couple game searches and was like umm yeah, no way.

I have no idea how they are ranked as complete.

FridaysFullName · 02/23/2016, 12:02 PM

Quote from: MNKyDeth on 02/23/2016, 11:56 AMOk, I didn't even know what that site was...

Really? I thought that site was common knowledge.

I guess I wasn't asking so much asking how "they" rank or categorize it but more as in how maybe you guys look at it as a whole. If that makes sense.

NecroPhile · 02/23/2016, 12:06 PM

Complete would mean that the game is complete with everything it had when new at retail ( box, case, manual, huey, sleeve, foam filler strip, advertising inserts, etc.).

FridaysFullName · 02/23/2016, 12:28 PM

Quote from: guest on 02/23/2016, 12:06 PMComplete would mean that the game is complete with everything it had when new at retail ( box, case, manual, huey, sleeve, foam filler strip, advertising inserts, etc.).

Thanks NecroPhilemancer it makes sense. I was just curious because to this point I haven't seen many TG-16 with the jewel case and outer box as well.

CrackTiger · 02/23/2016, 01:43 PM

Just be aware that pricecharting is notoriously inaccurate with its TurboGrafx pricing and many of the "incomplete" results are actually complete items. Plus most cheaper eBay sales conveniently don't appear on there.

There's no such thing as "truly" complete, unless it still has the full shrinkwrap. You should only collect what interests you. The cardboard boxes of Turbo games weren't meant to be kept, so don't feel pressured to possess them.

FridaysFullName · 02/23/2016, 03:13 PM

CrackTiger thanks for that information I had no idea. Like I said as far as I know that website is pretty standard for all gamers and collectors.

I agree with you on what is "truly" complete. I was asking because last week I think it was I was looking on Ebay for TG-16 game lots. I came across a Buy It Now for 4 games that were missing everything but the outer box and the total was around $100. That didn't seem to steep to me but it made me wonder how to view TG-16 games as far as complete is concerned.

Gredler · 02/23/2016, 04:39 PM

Quote from: FridaysFullName on 02/23/2016, 03:13 PMLike I said as far as I know that website is pretty standard for all gamers and collectors.

A lot of gamers and collectors also hate that website, I think the vocal majority here hate that site, and consider it a problem for the evaluation of games. vgpricecharts simplifies a complicated scale of measurement, and many believe it quickly drives up the prices of games because of this. The subject is very debatable, but I'd venture to say that vgpricecharts could be considered a collectarded website

majors · 02/23/2016, 04:48 PM

must...resist...'tard...thReAd...rAgE@#$^@...

Putting my hate aside, welcome to the forums and happy obey hunting. Protip: Flashcard now and play, later get dust collectors.

Pricecharting has some drama behind it. Do you know who owns the site? It's a aggregate tool for sure, but I would take it as bible...or Koran, Torah or Chinese tea leaves. We have seen folks artificially inflate prices on it with bogus eBay sales.

As for 'tardboard collecting, it's not for me. Complete is game, manual and case (sans the late TG Chip releases of course). If cardboard makes you happy, then great...but I will mock ppl for that.

Quote from: Gredler on 02/23/2016, 04:39 PM
Quote from: FridaysFullName on 02/23/2016, 03:13 PMLike I said as far as I know that website is pretty standard for all gamers and collectors.
A lot of gamers and collectors also hate that website, ...

I thought collectards like that site b/c it validates their e-penis brag rights over on *-age.com sites? Gamers hate it since sellers use it to gouge us on product when all we want is to PLAY THE DAMN THING. I've been to enough cons and stores that have no prices, but when you bring it an item to the register to ask, they just pop on their phone and look it up.

FridaysFullName · 02/23/2016, 05:15 PM

Those are all valid points but to be fair I don't think I was looking at it as the Bible.

I have to ask two things now though. First, when you speak badly of that site is it stricly based on the light that it puts the TG-16 in or as a whole? Second, what do you guys use to help figure value on TG-16? I ask that second question being fully aware that there really is no market for game collecting.

NecroPhile · 02/23/2016, 05:44 PM

Why I don't like it for anything other than a way to find older ebay links:

Inaccuracy - games are sometimes filed as loose / CIB / new when they should be elsewhere, and it'll often mix in PCE games with TG-16.
Lacks Detail - it completely ignores the condition of items and there's no heading for complete in case games, which are generally worth quite a bit more than a loose game and quite a bit less than a boxed game.
Incomplete - there's often auctions that fly under the radar and never get listed.
Incomplete part II - it's based solely on ebay and amazon prices

esteban · 02/23/2016, 05:50 PM

Quote from: FridaysFullName on 02/23/2016, 05:15 PMThose are all valid points but to be fair I don't think I was looking at it as the Bible.

I have to ask two things now though. First, when you speak badly of that site is it stricly based on the light that it puts the TG-16 in or as a whole? Second, what do you guys use to help figure value on TG-16? I ask that second question being fully aware that there really is no market for game collecting.

http://www.collectard.com

Bloufo · 02/23/2016, 11:42 PM

Let Ron Jeremy show you the light.

TheClash603 · 02/24/2016, 12:00 AM

Quote from: esteban on 02/23/2016, 05:50 PM
Quote from: FridaysFullName on 02/23/2016, 05:15 PMThose are all valid points but to be fair I don't think I was looking at it as the Bible.

I have to ask two things now though. First, when you speak badly of that site is it stricly based on the light that it puts the TG-16 in or as a whole? Second, what do you guys use to help figure value on TG-16? I ask that second question being fully aware that there really is no market for game collecting.
http://www.collectard.com

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=collectard

ClodBusted · 02/24/2016, 01:27 AM

Quote from: FridaysFullName on 02/23/2016, 11:43 AMMy question is as far as getting pricing from http://videogames.pricecharting.com/ d(...)?

Never heard of that website before. I think it's bogus. As with many other pricecharts, it mainly exists for making greedy sellers and dumb collectors happy, who are in search of a financial investment. But it doesn't do buyers, gamers, any favor.

SignOfZeta · 02/24/2016, 02:25 AM

I think generally that if you see the closing credits the game is "complete". That is, until we get to the more modern era of percentages and such like in Dracula X. Most Turbo games aren't like that though.

ClodBusted · 02/24/2016, 03:01 AM

Zeta you nailed it.

When I read the thread's title, I was originally thinking of what defines completing/beating a game.

esteban · 02/24/2016, 07:21 AM

Quote from: guest on 02/24/2016, 03:01 AMZeta you nailed it.

When I read the thread's title, I was originally thinking of what defines completing/beating a game.

Agreed.

MNKyDeth · 02/24/2016, 07:33 AM

Games are only worth what you are willing to pay. Typically for me that is max about $50. However, I have bought two games in the past year that I did pay over $100 only because they had other things with them that made them more valuable to me.

One came with a brand new controller and the other was part of such a small collection of games that to me it felt worth it. Beyond that, I have not paid more than $50 for a retro style game in the past year. I may have spent more on a Souls or souls style game but I love those games and I throw my money at them.

majors · 02/24/2016, 08:05 AM

Quote from: FridaysFullName on 02/23/2016, 05:15 PMI have to ask two things now though. First, when you speak badly of that site is it stricly based on the light that it puts the TG-16 in or as a whole? Second, what do you guys use to help figure value on TG-16? I ask that second question being fully aware that there really is no market for game collecting.

1) There is only Turbo...all other consoles are HET. I speak poorly of the site in question because I'm told that the owner of the site runs a used game retail outlet, conflict of interest.
2) I value a game on what I want to pay for a game. Sure, I'll hit old forums FS: posts or sold listing on eBay, but since I've been entrenched in the obey world, I have a good idea of what things go for. Example, I'm currently looking for Devils Crash and I'm willing to pay $30. If I find one for that price, then I'll buy it because I think it's worth it.

As for "no real market", do you mean as a retailer seller or the lack of retail store fronts to purchase games? I know a lot of folks that make a living selling new/used games.

FridaysFullName · 02/24/2016, 08:57 AM

Quote from: majors on 02/24/2016, 08:05 AM
Quote from: FridaysFullName on 02/23/2016, 05:15 PM2) I value a game on what I want to pay for a game.
I mean just what you said in the quote above. You value the games based on what you are willing to pay. I have been playing video games since I got my NES back in 1989 and it was the Commodore 64 before that. So I'm not in this for the fortune or the niche fame. I never heard of that site till about a year go.

Honestly I had a simple question basically about the outer box on TG-16 games.

PukeSter · 02/24/2016, 09:04 AM

Quote from: NecroPhile on 02/23/2016, 12:06 PMComplete would mean that the game is complete with everything it had when new at retail ( box, case, manual, huey, sleeve, foam filler strip, advertising inserts, etc.).

Absolutely correct. But for the TC, do you need the box? It's just a waste of space on a shelf and the box-art is the same on the jewel case.

If you really do wanna get into the system, you should buy an everdrive. Prices are crazy high and spending more just for cardboard can't possibly be worth it.

CrackTiger · 02/24/2016, 11:58 AM

I like PC Engine style cases with manual and HuCard. I also like uniformity. So for pre-TTi releases that I didn't have cases for, I put Sparky labels on spare cases. Mostly damaged or super common/cheap game cases. For the rest which never came with cases, I use Aaron's 3D printed cases with Sparky labels. For missing manuals, I print out the front/back cover and fold it in half. To keep things consistent and games clean and to not worry about keeping track of original sleeves, I'm only using Seymor's new sleeves.

I have a couple CD games without original tray liner/inserts. But I feel the same about having PC Engine style games on cases, so I'm not realky concerned about cardboard boxes. I have several boxes, mostly from sealed games I've opened, but do not have plans to collect 'em all.

I'm planning on organizing my Turbo games and keeping TurboChips in cases soon. For the past 30'ish years though, I've kept HuCards loose in stacks for the most part. I couldn't tell you at any given time where Magical Chase is, only that it's definitely slevveless on a stack somewhere.

xcrement5x · 02/24/2016, 12:11 PM

Quote from: TheClash603 on 02/24/2016, 12:00 AM
Quote from: esteban on 02/23/2016, 05:50 PM
Quote from: FridaysFullName on 02/23/2016, 05:15 PMThose are all valid points but to be fair I don't think I was looking at it as the Bible.

I have to ask two things now though. First, when you speak badly of that site is it stricly based on the light that it puts the TG-16 in or as a whole? Second, what do you guys use to help figure value on TG-16? I ask that second question being fully aware that there really is no market for game collecting.
http://www.collectard.com
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=collectard

It's officially part of the lexicon!

To me a complete game is case/manual and chip, boxes are nice but I don't hunt them out. To be honest except for a couple games I consider them extra work since nothing else is really the same size as them and they're weird to store.

Regarding Pricecharting, it is a lazy tool that has some value if you sell common stuff, but it has no validity when it comes to obscure stuff and things that rarely come up.

martinine · 02/24/2016, 03:06 PM

I go out of my way to find games Without the original box. That old paper costs way too much. If I'm dropping lots of cash to look at something, it's going to be original art, not a game that was made to play.

itsatarp · 02/24/2016, 05:01 PM

Quote from: esteban on 02/23/2016, 05:50 PMhttp://www.collectard.com

Lol, who's the vainglorious, impoverished soul that came up with that scribble?

Psycho Punch · 02/24/2016, 05:10 PM

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780racer · 02/24/2016, 09:15 PM

Welcome to the Forum man. Hope you stay a while, and to answer your question I feel CIC is not the same as CIB, but honestly, screw the boxes. One or two of the games you actually enjoy as like a decoration in your room or something, cool. But I hate boxes generally.

I do agree with everyone else here in saying, get an everdrive first. Play all of the games, and find ones that you are willing to pay for. Also outside of a few groups, people charge stupid money for these systems, and the games.

martinine · 02/24/2016, 10:50 PM

Quote from: martinine on 02/24/2016, 03:06 PMI go out of my way to find games Without the original box. That old paper costs way too much. If I'm dropping lots of cash to look at something, it's going to be original art, not a game that was made to play.

I would like to throw some shade on myself here and admit to buying a custom Keith Courage box from Spark. That's my fav game, and the price was right! Never buying a super expensive box though.

All jabs aside, because I know how I feel about that one box, I guess I can see how it gets to people, but these obnoxious prices are...obnoxious.

majors · 02/25/2016, 08:35 AM

Quote from: FridaysFullName on 02/24/2016, 08:57 AMHonestly I had a simple question basically about the outer box on TG-16 games.

PCE owners do not have that as a concern

NecroPhile · 02/25/2016, 09:47 AM

I also bought Sparky's Keith box (Magical Chase too), and I have dozens of boxes from games bought new back in the day or cheap off ebay, used but CIB for a price comparable to CIC, or as loose boxes for cheap from forum members. I'd like to have 'em all, but I won't pay hundreds of dollars for any of 'em or fret if I never acquire more.

Quote from: majors on 02/25/2016, 08:35 AMPCE owners do not have that as a concern

They just worry about obi's..... and boxes for Forgotten Worlds, Pachiokun, 3x3 Eyes, etc.

schweaty · 02/25/2016, 09:51 AM

Quote from: guest on 02/24/2016, 11:58 AMI like PC Engine style cases with manual and HuCard. I also like uniformity. So for pre-TTi releases that I didn't have cases for, I put Sparky labels on spare cases. Mostly damaged or super common/cheap game cases. For the rest which never came with cases, I use Aaron's 3D printed cases with Sparky labels. For missing manuals, I print out the front/back cover and fold it in half. To keep things consistent and games clean and to not worry about keeping track of original sleeves, I'm only using Seymor's new sleeves.

I have a couple CD games without original tray liner/inserts. But I feel the same about having PC Engine style games on cases, so I'm not realky concerned about cardboard boxes. I have several boxes, mostly from sealed games I've opened, but do not have plans to collect 'em all.

I'm planning on organizing my Turbo games and keeping TurboChips in cases soon. For the past 30'ish years though, I've kept HuCards loose in stacks for the most part. I couldn't tell you at any given time where Magical Chase is, only that it's definitely slevveless on a stack somewhere.

This describes my approach exactly (accept for the MC part).

Around here most folks refer to a game as "Complete in Case" (CIC) meaning no outer box or "Complete in Box" (CIB). depending on when it was released CIB may or may not include a jewel case

martinine · 02/25/2016, 09:22 PM

I can say, of all the bs I've collected, that Sparky Keith Courage box is easily one of my favorite things, and as far as cash value, probably worth the least. I love it though. I often just take a few moment to look and admire it. Hahaha. Great great work there Spark! Once, it fell off the high shelf that I put it on, and it crushed my heart until I was certain everything was okay. Hahaha. I think I've somehow come to feel that box is representative of the love I have for the game!