[?]are scanlines important for you?

Tatsujin · 10/23/2008, 12:17 AM

nothing gives a better feeling than playing our old beloved PCE games (and others) on a good ol' low-res CRT, since it produced very natural scanlines which let all 2D games looking so arcadish (IMO).
not so anymore on all those new hi-res HD-ready 1080p TFT/Plasma-flatters etc. also via Wii VC.

so, are scanlines an important factor for you to really enjoying the games or not?

comments are welcome as well

oldskool · 10/23/2008, 01:47 AM

I like the game to look as original as possible, on the technology that it was meant to be for.

Tatsujin · 10/23/2008, 02:06 AM

so this means, you also would prefer the original AV signal over a RGB mod?

Duo_R · 10/23/2008, 02:21 AM

when I used to play on the PC (using emulators) I preferred the scanlines. Now I am fine with the way the VC looks on my HDTV. Don't know if I just changed my preference or if it is because I am sitting farther away from the screen.

Turbo D · 10/23/2008, 04:07 AM

I voted yes very as I am a big fan of teh scanlines. 16-bit just looks better with them

Zeon · 10/23/2008, 04:34 AM

I know I am in the minority, but I have always despised scanlines, even before scanlineless displays even existed. I thought that they looked very awkward even as a kid, and I even questioned their existence before I understood how crt's worked. When I modded my old systems to output to component video on my lcd I was totally blown away by the super pixel sharp image sans scanlines. I can honestly say good riddance to em, I don't need no stinking black lines dividing my image into symmetric rows. Seems so....artificial.

termis · 10/23/2008, 08:42 AM

Very much so. On these older, low-res systems, it's pixely, blocky mess without scanlines.

SuperDeadite · 10/23/2008, 09:20 AM

yes scanlines are needed for old games.

NecroPhile · 10/23/2008, 10:06 AM

My vote was for 'not really'. It looks better with scanlines, but I won't get too worked up over 'em if they're missing.

ccovell · 10/23/2008, 10:34 AM

Scandoubled > Scanlines > Interlaced > Digitally filtered.

I never liked scanlines when playing Amiga games, and so scandoubled games (with double-width lines) looked completely solid and great. Any of the above are better than pixels being integer stretched and/or filtered for LCD or other shitty displays.

mobiusclimber · 10/23/2008, 11:24 AM

I'm completely unsure as to what scanlines even refers to, but what I do want to say is that a lot of the older systems (NES and Genesis, mainly) too advantage of "pixel bleeding," or "color bleeding," meaning they could display more colors because the things you saw on screen weren't very sharply defined. The colors from one pixel would bleed into the one next to it and this would create (in the eyes of the player) a new color. Yes game designers did this on purpose. Which is why sharpening up the graphics on these old machines (either thru HD, RGB modding or the VC stuff) makes certain games look worse than they use to.

oldskool · 10/23/2008, 04:36 PM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 10/23/2008, 02:06 AMso this means, you also would prefer the original AV signal over a RGB mod?

I can't honestly tell a difference, except on an LCD, which the system was not designed for.

Zeon · 10/23/2008, 05:02 PM

Quote from: mobiusclimber on 10/23/2008, 11:24 AMI'm completely unsure as to what scanlines even refers to, but what I do want to say is that a lot of the older systems (NES and Genesis, mainly) too advantage of "pixel bleeding," or "color bleeding," meaning they could display more colors because the things you saw on screen weren't very sharply defined. The colors from one pixel would bleed into the one next to it and this would create (in the eyes of the player) a new color. Yes game designers did this on purpose. Which is why sharpening up the graphics on these old machines (either thru HD, RGB modding or the VC stuff) makes certain games look worse than they use to.

Yeah I am aware that game designers of many older games took advantage of the color bleeding, and smearing of older displays to make textures seem more full and smoother, and to create the illusion of new colors. I however want each and every pixel to be well defined and sharp, not spilling half of its guts into it's neighboring pixels. I really hate the smoothing or blurring effect of sd crts and especially through crappy video signals. They hide the wonderful bright, well defined, crisp, and pixely image, that IMHO is the way these games are meant to be played. I mean all arcade games output to the screen via rgb, and though the scanlines and blurring were both present they were still pretty pixel sharp with not too much of this bleeding nonsense. Well unless the arcade cab's display was way out of adjustment.

Ceti Alpha · 10/23/2008, 10:43 PM

I voted "yes", but I'm really more with NecroPhile on this one. If I had a choice I'd take the scanlines, but really, the Duo looks great on the LCD once you tweak with the colour settings.

I also didn't vote for "Not Really" because I didn't want to call myself dumb. lol

rolins · 10/24/2008, 12:13 AM

Quote from: termis on 10/23/2008, 08:42 AMVery much so. On these older, low-res systems, it's pixely, blocky mess without scanlines.

Same here.

gundarN · 10/24/2008, 04:36 AM

Normally I'm a purist (never use emulators); but my PC Engine looks fantastic on my LCD TV, so I guess scanlines aren't a big deal for me.

Keranu · 10/24/2008, 05:12 AM

Love scanlines, so I voted for them. I don't mind if I don't have them (though I do hate LCD!), but they are a plus. And yes, I'm against modding too.

NecroPhile · 10/24/2008, 12:03 PM

Quote from: ceti alpha on 10/23/2008, 10:43 PMI also didn't vote for "Not Really" because I didn't want to call myself dumb. lol

Can't you read? You're only dumb if you vote 'dunno'. Damn Canadians!

_Paul · 10/24/2008, 12:20 PM

Quote from: NecroPhile on 10/24/2008, 12:03 PM
Quote from: ceti alpha on 10/23/2008, 10:43 PMI also didn't vote for "Not Really" because I didn't want to call myself dumb. lol
Can't you read? You're only dumb if you vote 'dunno'. Damn Canadians!

Perhaps every poll should have an option for 'I'm Canadian'?

Ceti Alpha · 10/24/2008, 01:16 PM

Quote from: guest on 10/24/2008, 12:20 PM
Quote from: guest on 10/24/2008, 12:03 PM
Quote from: ceti alpha on 10/23/2008, 10:43 PMI also didn't vote for "Not Really" because I didn't want to call myself dumb. lol
Can't you read? You're only dumb if you vote 'dunno'. Damn Canadians!
Perhaps every poll should have an option for 'I'm Canadian'?

lolmax!!

Oh the irony....too much to bare...must drink Labbatt's to ease the pain....

NecroPhile · 10/24/2008, 01:28 PM

Quote from: ceti alpha on 10/24/2008, 01:10 PMlolmax!!

Quote from: ceti alpha on 10/24/2008, 01:16 PMlolmax!!

Oh the irony....too much to bare...must drink Labbatt's to ease the pain....

Too many Labatts causes double posting, eh?

Ceti Alpha · 10/24/2008, 01:47 PM

haha. Man, it's one of those days.

Tatsujin · 10/25/2008, 08:14 AM

for any scanlines-hater -> /poltergeistii5mq1.jpg take this!!

OldRover · 10/25/2008, 11:36 AM

Quote from: guest on 10/23/2008, 10:06 AMMy vote was for 'not really'. It looks better with scanlines, but I won't get too worked up over 'em if they're missing.

My thoughts exactly.

CrackTiger · 10/26/2008, 11:01 AM

I voted not really. What's most important to me is having a vibrant clear image from real hardware. HDTVs distort this so much, I'd rather play emulation. I really appreciate scanlines, but I don't need to play on an old rotten screen for maximum effect and I don't normally turn them on when playing emulators (mame).

Joe Redifer · 10/26/2008, 11:37 AM

I like the aesthetic of the scanlines when I play on real hardware on a real CRT SDTV in 240p, but I never enable scanlines when I play in an emulator... mainly because they look sooooo bad and not like the real thing.