Does a Model II Genesis output RGB without Modification?

Lucifer · 08/19/2009, 11:46 AM

Hi.

So I ask about the model II because I have a JVC X'Eye and from what I have gathered, the Genesis part of the system is based on the Model II.

Now, I've also heard that a model II will output RGB. My X'Eye has both RCA out connectors and also the 9pin Din of the Genesis II. Could you buy a megadrive II scart cable from here.

http://www.retro-accessories.co.uk/ourshop/prod_346443-Megadrive-2Genesis-2Nomad32XSega-Pico-RGB-SCART-cable.html

And have it go into this

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220333416073&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

And do you think it would work?

At the moment my X'eye is off to a friend to have it S-Video modded. I did this without knowing about RGB out from the Genesis II.

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

CrackTiger · 08/19/2009, 02:49 PM

All Sega brand Genesis/Mega Drive systems output RGB without mods.

I'm not sure about the X'Eye, but if S-Video is good enough (looks amazing) you can use an XMD-3 for Model 2 style connections and with the 32X Model 2/Model 1 adaptor you can use it on Model 1 connections (SMS won't output sound though).

Duo_R · 08/19/2009, 02:24 PM

if it has the din connector should have RGB in there, and you should be able to use Mega Drive scart to adapt to the converter box you listed.

Lucifer · 08/19/2009, 04:51 PM

Thanks guys for the info.

I guess the only way to really know for sure is if I just bite the bullet and buy the required cables and converter.

The RGB for the Genesis was kind of an afterthought though cause my real reason for purchasing the converter was for my RGB Duo-R

Duo_R · 08/19/2009, 06:01 PM

If you were going to buy one for your Duo-R then it makes it less of an investment for the Xeye, just need the cable. I use that box for:

Saturn
Duo-R
Genesis II + Sega CD
Gamecube
SNES

So it really makes the most out of purchasing one of those and the picture looks great. The only drawback is that you need to find a US 12v adapter, but those are pretty common and your best bet would be like Radio Shack.

Quote from: Lucifer on 08/19/2009, 04:51 PMThanks guys for the info.

I guess the only way to really know for sure is if I just bite the bullet and buy the required cables and converter.

The RGB for the Genesis was kind of an afterthought though cause my real reason for purchasing the converter was for my RGB Duo-R

Lucifer · 08/19/2009, 10:56 PM

Well the whole reason I even thought about that converter box was because the person who sold me the Duo-r linked to the seller on ebay for people that bought his console's and lived in NA could get in on the goodness.

I never thought about the Saturn, Genesis II, etc.

I have a Saturn and i only thought about picking up a S-video for it. But when i heard that the Saturn and the Genesis 2 can output RGB I got really interested. I then began thinking about how my X'Eye has the 9 Pin Multi Out that the Genesis 2 has, but I'm not sure if they removed the trace in any way because they did remove the actual S-video output that the JP Wondermega 2 had when they released the X'Eye in NA....If the system has the 9 pin din does that automatically mean it can do RGB?

If i would have known that the possibility of getting RGB out of the X'eye was just a scart cable away then i probably wouldn't have had sent it away for an S-video mod. I did however just finish sending an email to the dude doing it telling him to do a lil test if he can and see if the X'Eye will actually output RGB.

You mention you have the box that i was thinking of buying....Do you have it hooked to an LCD tv? Is it almost Night and Day from Composite or S-video. Do you have any comparison pics or any pics of it running? I'd really like to know.

Thanks

Duo_R · 08/20/2009, 12:20 AM

I have tried on the LCD screen, but honestly for these old school systems I think it looks the best on CRT. Some LCD TV's might be better, but I find it hard to beat the tube sets via RGB > Component. The initial search I did on X'Eye says that the 9 din port should have RGB output.

I noticed a pretty big difference with Saturn Svideo compared to Component, and for the Genny comparing "composhit" to Component. The Duo-R is also a nice upgrade although the composite video on that is pretty good compared to say the Genesis.

Lucifer · 08/25/2009, 10:04 AM

Hi.

Thanks for the info....

I just can't make a decision...This is based on having a 40" LCD tv that has both connectors.

Do i go with the RGB to Component Converter listed here. And have "pcenginesales" make me some custom RGB cables that have LR audio coming out of the cable at the connector. She mentioned she could do this.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220333416073&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

or...

Do i go with the RGB to HDMI converter....This will also output audio and output to 720P. So i would not need any custom cable.

http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220459190446&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT

I've seen video of a Sega CDX hooked up to the component converter and it looked really nice(this is a video on youtube mind you)on the dude's lcd...So i know that works.

Decisions, decisions...

I wish I had some feedback on the hdmi 1 though as it would be easier and I have a free hdmi slot open on my tv still

override · 08/25/2009, 11:49 AM

You could always say screw the converter and build your own cable cheap!

A direct RGB,L,R cable to the din should work...You can get the cables off ebay for about $8 to cut up and make what you want with em!

Lucifer · 08/25/2009, 01:17 PM

Quote from: override on 08/25/2009, 11:49 AMYou could always say screw the converter and build your own cable cheap!

A direct RGB,L,R cable to the din should work...You can get the cables off ebay for about $8 to cut up and make what you want with em!

Thats a cool idea, but i don't think I have the know how to do that kinda work.

Now pcenginesales has the know how about cables...I never thought to ask if she could make a 8pin rgb+lr to LR+component cable.

Thanks for the info.

override · 08/25/2009, 07:26 PM

Heck I could always make teh cable for you....Just as long as I have the pinout information. Infact Im about to order one or two of those cables, so now would be the prime time to get an xtra for your stuff. Ill splice it and throw the end you need on it, and mail it to you.

Lucifer · 08/25/2009, 09:51 PM

Hi.

Hmmm well I'm still thinking about what I am gonna do...I would love to see a finished product up and running

These are pics from my machine btw.

So first you would need a cable like this.
http://homepage3.nifty.com/moremaco/pcescart.JPG

Then you would need 1 end to be 8 Pin Din to connet into the RGB modded Duo-r
http://homepage3.nifty.com/moremaco/pceoutput.JPG

Then you would cut the 21 pin head off the cable and wire NTSC Component + L&R audio on the other end so it could connect to the TV right?

And the cable itself would do the conversion and there would be no need for the converter box?

I'd be interested if you think you could do it and you think it would work and get the same results as the box.

Duo_R · 08/26/2009, 12:55 AM

Cable could be made pretty easily if you had the scart connector but pcenginesales makes them very reaonably priced. oh and 720p isn't going to really make the picture look better but nice that it has the hdmi output. I modded my box to accept a serial plug and from there was able to make my own cables. Also does ur Duo-r have an amp built in for RGB?

Lucifer · 08/26/2009, 10:07 AM

Yes i believe it does have the amp inside.

As of the moment I am going composite to my tv and I'm pretty sure that it would end up being a pretty big step up in picture quality if I went RGB out and then into the tv through 1 of those boxes.

I seen a video of a dude on youtube sending a RGB output out of his Sega CDX to that component box and then into his LCD and it looked really nice.

Its too bad there isn't that much pictures for comparisons sake floating around that i could take a look at. Well I haven't been able to find that much anyways.

Duo_R · 08/26/2009, 10:13 AM

There are some screenshots floating around the web. Try the gamesx.com forums for one (I will link you to a post later) that has some photos. There is also a couple posts on here wth some comparison photos. Trust me it does look nice.

Lucifer · 08/26/2009, 11:03 AM

Cool.

Override messaged me about the situation concerning the cables and such and I see what exactly he is trying to do. I am going to confirm 100% with the seller if he did ad the amp when doing the rgb mod.

Thanks again.

Duo_R · 08/26/2009, 11:14 AM

Did you get from ebay seller Doujindance? If so he puts in the amp.

Lucifer · 08/26/2009, 11:21 AM

Hi. Yes i did buy from him.

Great. So all i need is override to make the cable and I am set?

I also mentioned that he should look into making Genesis 1/2 rgb to component cables and Also doing it for the Sega Saturn. Since they all output rgb natively and don't require modification.

I would also buy cables for the Sega Saturn and Genesis 2 if he could make them.

Duo_R · 08/26/2009, 12:56 PM

Yub, just need cable and converter box.

And you said RGB to Component cables. Did you mean to say: RGB cable built for the component box? Yes genesis does not need any internal modification, the cables themselves need a few minor parts to get a correct signal. Also Override these boxes actually pull sync from Composite Video NOT the sync line, which makes it even easier for the Duo-R.

So Luc are you getting the RGB to YUV Component Box?

Lucifer · 08/26/2009, 01:22 PM

Hi.

I'm confused now....

I think override said he is going to take a component cable like that of the PS2 and then splice it up and connect it too a RGB scart cable that has an 8pin din head that would plug into the duo-r RGB port and then its all good.

Your saying I still need the converter box? I thought that having the amp inside the duo-r and having the cable correctly wired would allow it to pass the rgb signal through the cable into the component input of the tv.

Damn this is confusing....

The only surefire method I know that works is...

1. Use scart rgb cable that i posted above.
2. connect that cable to the scart input on the converter box.
3. Take component cables and connect them to the out of the converter box and then into the Tv and Viola!
Conversion is done inside the converter box

4. To get sound you would need to modifiy the exsisting RGB Scart at the 21 pin connector and add RCA audio jacks coming out of it so you can have audio. This is what pcenginesales told me she could do.

Here. I will post that video about the converter box I mentioned.

Duo_R · 08/26/2009, 04:09 PM

Ya, the amp only amplifies the rgb signal but does not convert. You are going to need a converter box or circuit to get component video. Override might be referring to using a ps2 to scart plug to use that little connector Doujindance sent u to connect to the box. Have u read my little article on here that covers a lot of the details? Search for RGB to YUV and you should find it.

Yes either get the special cable adapted from Pcenginesales to get audio or have someone mod the box. I posted pictures of how I modded the box.

Lucifer · 08/26/2009, 07:05 PM

Hey.

Ok i see what your saying..and i think i did see that pic before...you used a LR rca cable, cut it up and then soldered the RL+ ground to Pins inside the box and that gave you audio.

It does not look that difficult but I have not soldered before so i'd kinda be scared to fuck something up. But it almost looks kinda fool proof..and a good thing to start on if your new to soldering.

Now from what I have learned from Override. I think I am not mistaken.

He plans to take 1 RGB scart cable. Hack the ends off of each side. The side that would go into the duo-r will have the 8Pin din. the side with the 21 pin connector would be connected and wired properly to a 5 head component cable that you can find for Ps2/Ps3 which would do the video and audio.

I believe he says the conversion can take place inside the cable.

Basically I just said..

"hey if you can get 1 made and it works and does the job of the box and its in 1 cable i'll glady buy 1"

Edit: Duo...Say I ended up buying one of those boxes...Do you think it would be better to go the component box or the HDMI box, audio aside?

Duo_R · 08/26/2009, 10:08 PM

Hey I would be curious about the 720 box but I wouldn't buy because I would want to use on both LCD and tube set.

Override shot u a PM.

Lucifer · 08/26/2009, 11:22 PM

Hey.

Yep got it.

Its going to be interesting to see if he can make it work. I hope it works.

I'm gonna hold off on any of the boxes for now and see what override can do. If its not possible than I will end up picking up the component 1 probably.

Thanks for all the info btw.