'pcengine-fx.com market value' Price List

[majors]

[Firebomber7]

I make a killing buying and selling off craigslist. If craigslist were FMV, that would be impossible.

How do you have it quoted that "I don't sell turbo stuff," and then go "How dare he sell the turbo stuff he gets here!" ???

Its in your quote of my text! I'm not flipping things I get here, you even quoted that factoid!

What????

I'm confused at everything in this thread.

[Arkhan Asylum]

First off, that Dynastic Heroes for $50 was a once off, idiotic move by a seller. That is not Open Market Value. Lets look at actual completed auctions -

It's Dynastic HERO.  H E R O.

How can we take anything you say seriously if you don't even know the titles of the games.   You've got 58 posts and you're calling Black Tiger arrogant.   That's fucking golden.

This is the typical new guy in town that knows everything trainwreck.  you just got here, you just started posting, and you're already an expert on the entire Turbo Grafx-16/PC Engine world and all of its rares.

Protip:  You aren't. 

I bought my Dynastic Hero for like 30$.  It's Japanese.   I don't give a fuck.  It's the same game.  The roundeye one is worth more because some dick said it is and people were stupid and believed him.

If I want Magical Chase, i'll get the Japanese one for like 30-50$ and laugh at anyone who thinks the Round eye one is worth more.   

You'll notice the majority of the community doesn't talk about the OMGRAERS. 

Why, you ask?    Because there's so many other games on the console that are easy as shit to find and more worth the time than some bitch on a broom flying around shooting shit.

Oh, wait, you could do that with Cotton too!  See?   These are games, not trophies. 




Also, you want the honest truth from someone who's seen this shit go down many times?

At conventions, the resellers who often run GAME STORES show up with multiple copies of shit.  You'll see them buy more of the same game at the conventions.

The reason?  Buy as many as possible.  Sit on them.  Control the market because you have 6-10 copies of a rare ass game.   

One guy walks around with a barcode scanner and an iphone and looks shit up on ebay to get prices.  He buys things from sellers before the convention opens.  Then he goes and tosses them on his table for 2-3x as much.    That's fuckin shady.   Prebuying and adding inventory for more money.   

Then he stumbles around and leaves his flyers on other peoples booths when they aren't looking.   

His name is GAME KING, and he's a stupid dick.  They have stores in Kentucky.  I sure hope hes not the head honcho.  If he is, I feel sorry for everyone that works for him because he's a terrible person. 

I ripped his flyer up and tossed it in the trash.   Resellers can blow me.

There was this guy Worldlam in the Commodore 64 scene.   He used credit to buy a ton of Commodore goods thinking he'd be turning a huge profit.

Yeah.   like 20000$+ later, he done fucked his life up and vanished.  Who the hell buys a Breadbin for 20$ anyway. 

Idiots that don't know what they're talking about.

That's who.



Also, your mona lisa argument is dumb.    That painting wasn't made in mass quantities, and it wasn't designed to be played for enjoyment.

Magical Chase is a VIDEO GAME.

A factory made many of them.   They were sold in stores for retail price.  They were made to be opened and played.

d u h hhhhhhrrhrrrrrr

[Firebomber7]

A Duo is worth about $5 loose, I can tell you that! It worked fine, it was just untested. Also got a boxed AES for $70 from the same place.

I've paid that much for one before at chain of stores where used retro video games is one of their specialties.


Current market does dictate prices, but if you only use a couple limited sources to gage pricing (like just eBay and Amazon, like Mr/Ms. Kobold did), well... you're an idiot.

[esteban]

COLLATERAL DAMAGE: I am not going to enter this debate. I just want to say that I have been damaged, broken and left an empty husk. Why?

I gave up on acquiring certain titles a few years ago when the prices went beyond my budget. Sure, prices had been creeping up for more than a decade (inflation), but the sudden spike in prices simply deflated my hope.

Then, noticing the overall trend towards significantly higher prices (an increasing number of titles have ridiculous prices), the last little gasp of optimism escaped from my lips.

I can't afford to buy many games these days, but I'm glad that the folks here at pcefx.com want to help one another (generally) instead of simply being a profiteer.

DarkKobold, you are certainly not the only selfish person who tries to exploit others. I'm sure a lot of people here do selfish things and profit from it (most don't brag about it because they fear the repercussions). I'd be surprised if there weren't some shady folks who routinely take advantage of us here.

Or, inevitably, a lot of current, dedicated folks here (good-hearted folks) will have a "change of heart" at some point in the future and sell items for a handsome profit.

We can't control everything. But at least the community here is trying to support one another and focus on *playing the games* and attempting to keep our hobby *affordable* and not some other bullshit.

NOTE: I don't have a collection. I despise that term. I have a fucking library of games. I play them. I keep them. My thoughts revolve around playing games. I lend out my games. I usually get them back. I wish all PCE & TG-16 games were dirt cheap and LOST VALUE over time. Personally, and this is my own selfishness, I wish only folks who actually played games bought them. Capitalism is a blessing and a curse. The entire video game industry exists to generate profit (games!) but it also encourages folks to exploit relationships (damn!).

/missive

[BlueBMW]

Im a shameless profiteer when it comes to the region mod chips....

Pcb: $1.60
components: $1.50
bubble mailer: $0.75
shipping: $3.50
Royalties: $4.00

total cost: $11.35
Price: $18 shipped

I profit $6.65 a mod chip.

I am le gouger!

[soop]

Im a shameless profiteer when it comes to the region mod chips....

Pcb: $1.60
components: $1.50
bubble mailer: $0.75
shipping: $3.50
Royalties: $4.00

total cost: $11.35
Price: $18 shipped

I profit $6.65 a mod chip.

I am le gouger!

Damn you Beemer!!!  Now let's have some RGB amps please

As far as Dark Kobold goes...  I kind of feel sorry for him.  I don't think he gets that eBay isn't a shop.  That's why I don't pay "market value" for games, but wait until the ones I want appear for a price I think is reasonable, and then buy them.  Takes a little patience, sure, but it fucking happens.

And then guess what?  If I find something I already own and it's a decent price, I'll snap it up and offer it to the community.  Sure I'm not going to sell at a loss, maybe even a few $ profit, but less than the cheapest on eBay.  But if you've done me a favour on here (and the list is growing) I'm likely gonna hand it over at cost price, and believe me, I'm such a cheapskate that it's gonna be a deal.

So in that way, the dedicated community here skims the cream from the "free market" (eBay to everyone else) and leaves all the other BINs I see recycling every other week to some guy with money to burn who really wants to play it now. 

It's like this:  Everyone else is queueing up at the gate, paying $10 to get in, when there's a massive hole in the fence over there, if you can be bothered to look.

[DildoKKKobold]

I'm saddened by this. You seem like a nice guy.

DarkKobold, you are certainly not the only selfish person who tries to exploit others. I'm sure a lot of people here do selfish things and profit from it (most don't brag about it because they fear the repercussions). I'd be surprised if there weren't some shady folks who routinely take advantage of us here.

Who have I exploited here? I've already dispelled this notion in a post above you. Please don't make accusations, or perpetuate them, without proof.

NOTE: I don't have a collection. I despise that term. I have a fucking library of games. I play them. I keep them. My thoughts revolve around playing games.  I wish all PCE & TG-16 games were dirt cheap and LOST VALUE over time. Personally, and this is my own selfishness, I wish only folks who actually played games bought them.

Two things:

Dictionary definition of a library: "a collection of any materials for study and enjoyment, as films, musical recordings, or maps. " So, a library is still a collection. I don't understand why people here are so anti-collecting, especially leading into the second point...

Who says collectors never play their games? I play my TurboDuo plenty (I'm now on my 4th playthrough of Dungeon Explorer 2, might start speed running it.) For some reason, the rhetoric here paints any collector as this Gargamel style evil figure, that doesn't allow anyone to touch their games. It makes this wild jump of logic that collecting automatically means the collectors only value games for their monetary value, not playability, and don't ever turn on their systems.

VestCunt said it best, there is a built-in rhetoric that is totally irrational, but is continually perpetuated.

I gave up on acquiring certain titles a few years ago when the prices went beyond my budget. Sure, prices had been creeping up for more than a decade (inflation), but the sudden spike in prices simply deflated my hope.

Then, noticing the overall trend towards significantly higher prices (an increasing number of titles have ridiculous prices), the last little gasp of optimism escaped from my lips.

Well, I have absolutely great news for you. Since you don't care about collecting, you don't need to have any turbografx games any more, aside from this one:

http://krikzz.com/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=57

There you go - for $80, you can play any Turbografx game ever made, on a Turbografx system. This is 100% identical to playing it on the original HuCard.

If this doesn't seem sufficient to you, then on some level you are a collector, you place a value on having the original HuCards. I'm not saying this idea is wrong - I certainly place a value on having the originals. I'm just asking you to not vilify collectors, and continue silly rhetoric.

As far as Dark Kobold goes...  I kind of feel sorry for him.  I don't think he gets that eBay isn't a shop.  That's why I don't pay "market value" for games, but wait until the ones I want appear for a price I think is reasonable, and then buy them.  Takes a little patience, sure, but it fucking happens.

Somehow, I got misquoted into people believing I only pay eBay prices for games. I've only tried to state that sold eBay auctions define "market value." If you find a game for less than "market value," then it is a deal; and plenty of great deals exist in this world. Sure, there are other markets in which games are sold, everything from conventions to flea markets to play n' trade to  garage sales and even more. I'm not denying these exist. What I am trying to say is that they don't define "market value" in the same open way eBay does.  No one has access to this data, it isn't stored anywhere. Saying "I paid $5 for Magical Chase at a garage sale" doesn't mean Magical Chase is worth $5.

Finally, I pity sellers like "Pompey Parsons" who continue to list the same over-priced games month after month after month. In the long run, there is no benefit to keeping stock. He and his ilk are banking on someone desperately needing a game, and willing to pay over market value. This is not the best business decision, as you want things to keep flowing. Holding inventory to make an extra 10% benefits no one.

When I list items on eBay, I try and list them as the cheapest item available, so that I keep stock flowing in and out.

And finally, yes, I resell things I find on craigslist and at garage sales. A seller lists something for a price, I pay that price. I keep what I need for my collection, and sell the rest so I have money to continue collecting. No one is exploited here.

[geise]

So when are any of your deals coming the forum members way?  Plenty of your fellow members are looking for turbo games and would gladly take them off your hands.  Currently I'm looking for Chase HQ.

[esteban]

I just want to say that I don't have a problem with DarkKobold, as a forum member. He simply was on the receiving end of a rant against collecting, in general. Please don't take anything personally, DK, since, honestly, I really don't want to single you (or anyone) out as a dirty profiteer (even if you are, ha!, I'll live with it and we can be friends).

NOTE: I don't have a collection. I despise that term. I have a fucking library of games. I play them. I keep them. My thoughts revolve around playing games.  I wish all PCE & TG-16 games were dirt cheap and LOST VALUE over time. Personally, and this is my own selfishness, I wish only folks who actually played games bought them.

Two things:

Dictionary definition of a library: "a collection of any materials for study and enjoyment, as films, musical recordings, or maps. " So, a library is still a collection. I don't understand why people here are so anti-collecting, especially leading into the second point...

I am making an important distinction between library and collection. I can use any labels (they are arbitrary), but it is more effective to co-opt existing terms that are already used by the community.

(*) A library is actively used and enjoyed. It exists as a resource (historical, social, entertainment, etc.) and may or may not be comprehensive.

(*) A collection has the *potential* to be actively used and enjoyed, but primarily exists as a stockpile of artifacts. Collections often encourage a voracious "catch-them-all" mentality where the goal seems to be "______% of collection completed!" instead of "I friggin' loved Valis III, so I gotta check out Valis IV!" In other words, the very essence of a "collection" is to collect objects (tautology!) and perhaps even reach a finite end. It might as well be a collection of ceramic pigs, though, since the act of "collecting" is the primary focus. Playing the games is secondary.

Personally, if I had a shitload of ceramic pigs, I'd play with the damn things. 

SUMMARY: Library and collection are two very different things, functionally as well as philosophically. I suppose they represent opposite ends of a spectrum and we will all occupy different points on the spectrum.

ON ROMs/ISOs: 99.99% of the time, I play games I have purchased. I have purchased two flash carts, but have been too busy to try them out. I will, eventually, because I am curious about the demos and fan translations that folks have created.

[BigusSchmuck]

This thread is both pointless and stupid. You pay want you are willing to pay for something. End of story.

[T2KFreeker]

This thread is both pointless and stupid. You pay want you are willing to pay for something. End of story.

Sounds about right to me.

[DrBread]

This thread is both pointless and stupid. You pay want you are willing to pay for something. End of story.

Yes! totally agree. Plus games fluctuate so fast.

[SignOfZeta]

My deal is that I'm a big free market believer.

Yeah, that's pretty much the problem right there. Living in America we are indoctrinated from birth believe in the sacred infallible free market and ignore the obvious fact that a) there has never been such a thing and that b) it wouldn't regulate itself anyway.

Relating to point a): A free market, a truly free market, would allow for slavery, forced prostitution, nuclear arms sales, assassinations, and other such stuff. The market is regulated very heavily to make these things almost non-existent. It would also open the boarder between, for example, Mexico and the US eliminating what is essentially an economic apartheid and equalizing wages between the two countries. People actually being paid a fair wage? Brown people? We can't have that.

Related to point b) The "free market" of the 90s saw a huge explosion in popularity of 15MPG SUVs with the carbon footprint of a burning WalMart. In the end, that shit is going to cost us sums of money currently unimagined. A GMC Envoy was only $40,000 in 1997, but that's because they didn't include the cost of building dykes around New York City 50 years from now, the trillion dollars we spent failing to steel Iraq's oil, the ecological damaged caused by drilling, and dozens of other factors. And frankly, cars are barely even a problem compared to something the beef industry which causes ecological damage on a nearly Tolkien-esque scale just so Americans can stay fat for less money.

When I was in high school they told us that home ownership was so fucking important and that you are better off having a house because property values will always go up. ALWAYS. Like fucking magic people repeated that axiom. Economists want to believe so badly that their field is a science, but they are the least scientifically minded of all people because they work from the solution (ie: greed is good) and work backward from there to fill in the theory.

Well, I bought a house in 2009 for %50 less than it was worth in 1990, as did about a million other people. How's that magic money school of thought going now, eh?

When I hear someone who isn't worth at least a few hundred million dollars repeating the beliefs and "laws" of economics I don't know if I should laugh or cry. The system is only there so you won't question the truly well off. If they can make a single mother living in a trailer park working three jobs believe that she too could be as rich as Mitt Romney if only she worked harder, then their position is secure.

More on topic: I recently sold something on eBay for the first time in ages to discover that there are no longer insertion fees. That little thing ALONE is going to drive the prices up on this kind of shit enormously. This works great for eBay since now you (and everyone else) can ask whatever outrageous price you want for shit. Since eBay takes a fixed percentage, that just means more money for them. This isn't too different from what happened to the housing market. The price of housing is totally unrelated to the value of housing since only %2 of the US can actually buy a house with cash. Most people are limited by how much they can borrow. The banks decide what you can afford to borrow, but they also take a fixed percentage. Therefore, if they loan you more money, they get more money. It doesn't matter what you actually spend the money on.

I don't know if the 16-bit market will actually "crash" exactly, but it will reach a limit. The imminent disappearance of any form of physical media is right around the corner. That alone will be enough to make people fond of being able to actually own a physical copy of a game. At the same time, Magical Chase isn't going to increase at the same rate that it recently has. There just isn't enough money out there to keep the value that high.

Collectors are a hard group to understand or predict. One thing I collect besides games is Laserdisc. I'm constantly surprised to see "hardcore" collectors who never even had the stuff when it was current. What draws them to the format? One of the most hardcore collectors on LDDB.com has only been hoarding for 7 years. Its been about 10 years since the format died so...what on Earth led him to collect so many high priced discs so quickly?

[SignOfZeta]

Im a shameless profiteer when it comes to the region mod chips....

Pcb: $1.60
components: $1.50
bubble mailer: $0.75
shipping: $3.50
Royalties: $4.00

total cost: $11.35
Price: $18 shipped

I profit $6.65 a mod chip.

I am le gouger!

Yeah, except you actually make that shit. You took some parts that are useless to most people here and made them into someone almost essential. Flipping a fucking video game for profit is just parasitic.

[HercTNT]

i agree, the modders here can basically charge what they want because the provide a service/feature that you could not get otherwise. yet they are reasonable because of thier support for the community. Its what makes this place so great.

[Frank_fjs]

Negativity aside, this thread has been a great read. Interesting, enlightening and a little irritating but entertaining enough to persist with reading on.

I'm passionate about gaming, nothing will ever change that, that's all I need to know.

[VestCunt]

Thanks for kicking ass all over the place like usual, Zeta.

If there's one thing I hate, it's "free market" mythology. Our tattered fragments of democracy and government regulation are the only things keeping us from serfdom. Talk to a real economist and they'll agree that the free market doesn't exist outside of the most dismal ninth-grade textbooks.

I'm constantly surprised to see "hardcore" collectors who never even had the stuff when it was current. What draws them to the format? One of the most hardcore collectors on LDDB.com has only been hoarding for 7 years. Its been about 10 years since the format died so...what on Earth led him to collect so many high priced discs so quickly?

Seriously. Go pillage somebody else's childhood.

[Bernie]

If you feel its pointless and stupid...why did you even post? 

This thread is both pointless and stupid. You pay want you are willing to pay for something. End of story.

[geise]

This thread is both pointless and stupid. You pay want you are willing to pay for something. End of story.

The whole point of a price list is so people don't overpay for something.  If I'm willing to pay for an item that I don't know the value of and realize later that I totally reamed myself, I would be fairly pissed.  That would never happen though since I do research first on what an "average" price would be.  Just because you feel an ABBA vinyl record is worth $500 doesn't mean that it really is.

[soop]

I know what you mean geise, but... I guess if you really want something now, you have to weigh up the price vs enjoyment or whatever.  Then despite the fact that you could have bought it cheaper, you were happy paying that at the time.  Hindsight's a bitch.

However for most people here, there's a lot of great games you can get, so say you see Soldier Blade for $50 and Blazing Lasers for $5.  The fact is, while Soldier Blade is AMAZING, it's not 10 times better than Blazing Lasers.  I'd consider the smart thing to do, would be buy Blasing Lasers for $5, and play that to keep you happy, and figure out over time how much SB fluctuates.

It took me 2 years to find Rainbow Islands for a price i was willing to pay (£30 rather than the usual ~£50) and it might take me as long again for Dracula X.

And don't forget, BIN prices aren't carved in stone.  I might be a pain in the ass, but it never hurts to ask: Recently I decided it was time to pick up Marchen Maze.  I've been watching for a while, so I know the prices, which do seem a tad high for the kind of game it is.  Then I see one selling for £19, which is close to the same as shipped from Japan, so I offered him £15.  It's clearly a decent offer, and about the limit to what I want to pay for it, so we made a deal.

the same when you see something in a bundle, half the people you ask won't split, but if you don't ask you don't get.  I got City Hunter for £15 like that, and Beavis and Butthead (gameboy) for £5, but I've also been turned down loads too.

And Zeta, thanks for an educational post.  You make a lot of sense.

[Bardoly]

...Our tattered fragments of democracy and government regulation are the only things keeping us from serfdom...

Really?  Government regulation is keeping us from serfdom?  Actually it sure seems that government regulation is leading us into serfdom.

[BlueBMW]

oh boy....

hi ho hi ho... its off to fighting street we go!!

[Sparky]

If you feel its pointless and stupid...why did you even post? 

This thread is both pointless and stupid. You pay want you are willing to pay for something. End of story.

Hahaha I was going to post about this comment as well... I got as far as  "balls to that" then had a beer

[BlueBMW]

Im a shameless profiteer when it comes to the region mod chips....

Pcb: $1.60
components: $1.50
bubble mailer: $0.75
shipping: $3.50
Royalties: $4.00

total cost: $11.35
Price: $18 shipped

I profit $6.65 a mod chip.

I am le gouger!

Yeah, except you actually make that shit. You took some parts that are useless to most people here and made them into someone almost essential. Flipping a fucking video game for profit is just parasitic.

Oh I know.  I just figured I'd throw it out there as an example of a fair and acceptable way to make a profit.  I'm providing a service and a product that makes modding a system a lot easier and at the same time making a modest profit for myself.  Its win all around.   Now if corporations could figure that stuff out....

[BigusSchmuck]

Oh, here is another lame price list that these ebay gougers are using:
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/turbografx-16/the-rarest-most-valuable-pc-engine-turbografx-16-games

[turboswimbz]

Oh, here is another lame price list that these ebay gougers are using:
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/turbografx-16/the-rarest-most-valuable-pc-engine-turbografx-16-games

interesting, I mean yeah if you pick the most wanted games out there and make a list of course the prices are going to be high. Also by having a hugh variation in low to high cost, you can make it seem like a game is worth $2000.  but yeah you can do basic research on e-bay and figure out these numbers anyway, doubt it'll change anything as far as gouging.