Pier Solar HD

[TheClash603]

The Homebrew scene is like the Occupy Movement of the gaming world.

EA / Activision is the other side of that equation, the rich asshole guys that no one likes.

Pier Solar has decided to join ranks with the evil empire and they deserve all of the shit they are taking.

They have essentially turned into a publicly funded company, but what is worse is that those who are funding the company don't get back what they are putting in.  Those funding get no shares to sell, instead they get some lame ass poster, basically it is a scam.  Exploitation of a few schmucks that want to play a new Dreamcast RPG.  If anything, this makes these guys WORSE than the likes of EA and Activision.

With that said, this is a free country and Pier Solar's developers can do whatever they want to do.  However, since this is a free country, I hope they get blasted for their decision.  LET THEM EAT CAKE!

[Arkhan Asylum]

Can you post something else besides pissing and moaning about 'em?  We get it, you don't like them.

Can you post something besides the usual contrary to be contrary post?

Besides, my "pissing and moaning" has resulted in conversation here...and in the shoutbox, which you too were a part of, numbnuts.   

heck, it even made Joe laugh.  Fuck yeah.   

My point though is I wish Arm would post something besides Pier Solar HD updates, or Super Battle Kid 9000 updates.  All I ever see Arm post is stuff like that anymore.  Why not talk about cool shit, like the PCE, or something?

Again - it's their project. If they can sell copies, let them sell copies. I fail to see how this affects you directly. If you don't like it don't buy it and stop whining about it.

Grats on missing the point as usual, dude.

I'd like to meet whoever initiated the "If you don't like it, stop complaining" mentality in the hearts and minds of humanity.  It's quite possibly one of the stupidest concepts ever.  Nothing ever gets better if everyone just sits and keeps quiet.

OH YOU DON'T LIKE THAT SOME COMPANY IS RIPPING PEOPLE OFF AND SCAMMING ABOUT?  TOUGH SHIT, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT STOP WHINING. 

fuck that.  Don't tell me what I can and can't bitch about.


Anyway:

Reprint upon reprint does the following:

1) It screws up the value of the games and makes the secondary market a wreck, which in turn screws over average joe gamers that just want to try the frigging game.
2) It makes a mockery out of the entire homebrew concept.  Your reprint probably didn't need to exist, you just failed to produce the required amount due to miscalculations or ignorance.
3) It results in false hype and false demand.
4) It allows for this entire kickstarter that is basically milking money out of the loyal fanbase to exist and continue to make a mockery out of the homebrew concept. 

I get that Pier Solar is super popular.  It's got a hype wave that's bigger than Tommy Lee's dong.  That's cool.  I'm thrilled for them.  That's what happens when you spend 8 years making a game and leave people waiting for it.

I am just extremely disappointed to see them turning their simple Tavern RPG into such a commercialized mess.  They kind of bitch slapped everyone upon the original release, so this is just comical.

They basically pulled a Green Day. 

I hope their over confident shenanigans pay off, only for the sake of the people who dumped all the money into the project.  They don't deserve to lose money to vaporware and lies.

[esteban]

Can you post something else besides pissing and moaning about 'em?  We get it, you don't like them.

Can you post something besides the usual contrary to be contrary post?

Besides, my "pissing and moaning" has resulted in conversation here...and in the shoutbox, which you too were a part of, numbnuts.   

heck, it even made Joe laugh.  Fuck yeah.   

My point though is I wish Arm would post something besides Pier Solar HD updates, or Super Battle Kid 9000 updates.  All I ever see Arm post is stuff like that anymore.  Why not talk about cool shit, like the PCE, or something?

Again - it's their project. If they can sell copies, let them sell copies. I fail to see how this affects you directly. If you don't like it don't buy it and stop whining about it.

Grats on missing the point as usual, dude.

I'd like to meet whoever initiated the "If you don't like it, stop complaining" mentality in the hearts and minds of humanity.  It's quite possibly one of the stupidest concepts ever.  Nothing ever gets better if everyone just sits and keeps quiet.

OH YOU DON'T LIKE THAT SOME COMPANY IS RIPPING PEOPLE OFF AND SCAMMING ABOUT?  TOUGH SHIT, THEY CAN DO WHAT THEY WANT STOP WHINING. 

fuck that.  Don't tell me what I can and can't bitch about.


Anyway:

Reprint upon reprint does the following:

1) It screws up the value of the games and makes the secondary market a wreck, which in turn screws over average joe gamers that just want to try the frigging game.
2) It makes a mockery out of the entire homebrew concept.  Your reprint probably didn't need to exist, you just failed to produce the required amount due to miscalculations or ignorance.
3) It results in false hype and false demand.
4) It allows for this entire kickstarter that is basically milking money out of the loyal fanbase to exist and continue to make a mockery out of the homebrew concept. 

I get that Pier Solar is super popular.  It's got a hype wave that's bigger than Tommy Lee's dong.  That's cool.  I'm thrilled for them.  That's what happens when you spend 8 years making a game and leave people waiting for it.

I am just extremely disappointed to see them turning their simple Tavern RPG into such a commercialized mess.  They kind of bitch slapped everyone upon the original release, so this is just comical.

They basically pulled a Green Day. 

I hope their over confident shenanigans pay off, only for the sake of the people who dumped all the money into the project.  They don't deserve to lose money to vaporware and lies.

You are too vague. Please elaborate. Thank you.

[Arkhan Asylum]

No idea why that reminded me of this.

[Joe Redifer]

Getting back to the Pier Solar is the "biggest 16-bit RPG" thing, the sound programmer (not composer) said that the game would be around 120 megabits if uncompressed. So biggest 16-bit cart RPG. I wonder how big some CD RPGs would be if all of the voice, FMV and all of that stuff were removed.

[Arkhan Asylum]

They'd be 119.9 MB, so PEER LUNAR WINS.

[CrackTiger]

Getting back to the Pier Solar is the "biggest 16-bit RPG" thing, the sound programmer (not composer) said that the game would be around 120 megabits if uncompressed. So biggest 16-bit cart RPG. I wonder how big some CD RPGs would be if all of the voice, FMV and all of that stuff were removed.

Tengai Makyou Zero is still supposed to be bigger uncompressed. 16-bit was still the generation that CDs took off in and it was CD RPGs that made the PCE number one. Quest 64 may be the bigfest RPG (cart) of its generation, but it shouldn't be marketed as the biggest RPG of that generation.

If you were to strip all that stuff away, then you should also strip away all the superfluous stuff that pad cart RPGs. Pier Solar for example is supposed to pull off the Mode 7 scenes by using a bunch of space for prerendered code and could have been even more impressive if more space was given to it. If that's true, then it's the equivalent of fmv.

Either way, even the Genesis had CD RPGs and Lunar EB is massive. 16-bit CD RPGs weren't just cart gsmes with cinemas, voice and CD music either. Many have the kind of in-game content that you won't find in cart RPGs.

[jeffhlewis]

Welp - Hell finally froze over...

[Mathius]

My DC version came as well. Since you can't press GD-ROMs anymore they had to use CD-ROM which some DC models won't play. Mine was a launch model so luckily it did.

[xcrement5x]

For anyone else interested, there are several pictures of all the swag in the collector's edition here:
http://www.magicalgamefactory.com/en/boards/pier-solar-about_5/Reprint--and-DC-release-today-_13724/?from=950