Game Sack

Arkhan Asylum · 03/19/2018, 03:44 PM

Quote from: guest on 03/19/2018, 06:12 AM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 03/18/2018, 09:42 PMDidn't bother to watch

If the rest of them, and MSX fans going "???" are any indication, I saved myself 40 minutes.

lol

ClodBusted · 03/20/2018, 03:33 AM

Arkhan, it's okay to let your opinion be dependant on others.
No need to form your own.
Everything's okay.
Hush.

Anyway, guys, if you didn't know yet, there's an episode guide for every Game Sack episode:
http://www.gamesack.net/gamesack.html
Handy if you're searching for a specific game review (CTRL+F is your friend), as well as pointing out informative notes.

Also, there's rumour that Joe once hosted hidden porn content on his website for the "console browser reviews" episode exclusive to the blu-ray release of Game Sack Vol. 2, to test porn compatibility.

majors · 03/20/2018, 10:55 AM

Quote from: Gypsy on 03/18/2018, 10:41 AMReady for dat msx price spike.

What he said! Let's hope all the hipsters goto ebay to get gouged.

I'm actually looking at buying a MSX2. I mainly want it for playing carts, treating it like a console more than a computer at cons and events. I hope I can elude any price jump since most johnny-come-latelys will want the top of the line Turbo with all working parts. I can sneak in and get a beater unit for cheaps.

Gypsy · 03/20/2018, 11:03 AM

I was actually checking out MSX2s a couple months ago. The funny thing now is one I have in my watch list went from something like 3-4 watchers to 14 since the video. eBay actually has a 15% off of anything code today so I might bite.

Rydeen · 03/20/2018, 08:50 PM

Quote from: majors on 03/20/2018, 10:55 AM
Quote from: Gypsy on 03/18/2018, 10:41 AMReady for dat msx price spike.
What he said! Let's hope all the hipsters goto ebay to get gouged.

Quote from: Gypsy on 03/20/2018, 11:03 AMI was actually checking out MSX2s a couple months ago. The funny thing now is one I have in my watch list went from something like 3-4 watchers to 14 since the video. eBay actually has a 15% off of anything code today so I might bite.

eBay has never been good in general for MSX items because it was never released in North America other than the two Yamaha models for synthesizer applications. Because it was never released here, the prices on eBay are all over the place, and usually way more than you'd find even in a brick and mortar store in Akihabara.

My advice is to shop using Yahoo Japan Auctions and use a proxy service like Buyee to bid. Sure, you're paying more for shipping and handling and the proxy company's cut, but it evens out, you save a ton of money in the long run.

I just bought a working MSX HB-101 in fantastic condition from yahoo Japan all for the low low price of $21.52, not going to find one for that price on eBay.

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Gypsy · 03/20/2018, 09:46 PM

I've definitely got some deals on YAJ before. My main concern though is the buyer protection compared to eBay. Seems like so many of the MSX listed there are busted in some way. Also true on eBay I suppose lol.

How much do these things generally weigh? I know international shipping has went up considerably recently.

Rydeen · 03/21/2018, 01:02 AM

Buyer protection really comes down to the proxy you use, some are better (and charge more) than others. But again, I'd rather take a chance on an MSX priced at 20-30 bucks than the same one equivalent for $170+ on eBay.

Gypsy · 03/21/2018, 11:09 AM

Honestly not seeing any in that range that are what I want. However there are definitely good deals to be had compared to eBay. There is one I have my eye on.

There is actually a really ghetto condition one for $10 that is an MSX2 but I'm really aiming to get one with a floppy drive. I believe this will be cheaper than buying the MegaFlashROM SCC+ SD. It's something I am keeping in mind though.

Edit again: There is a seller that has some bad feedback and uses stock photos that has a ton of MSX computers up. Not sure it's worth paying a little less to deal with that.

majors · 03/21/2018, 12:49 PM

Quote from: Gypsy on 03/20/2018, 09:46 PMSeems like so many of the MSX listed there are busted in some way.

That is my angle...shoot for a somewhat busted but as long as can play carts. I'm also trying for some MSX2 that has a neat design, some wow factor when running it at shows. The red MSX that Rydeen showed is cool but I'm really trying for a MSX2. The Sony F1(XD) with the red accent is nice, along with the Pana WSX that has an interesting design flare. I have a budget and will keep to it, it's not like I _need_ and old 8-bit computer...it's just for fun. Let's hope we do not bid against each other!

Gypsy · 03/21/2018, 12:58 PM

If you let me know which one you want to bid on, I won't bid on it. I am looking mostly at SONY HB-F1XDs right now so there would be a chance lol.

Arkhan Asylum · 03/21/2018, 11:36 PM

Quote from: guest on 03/20/2018, 03:33 AMArkhan, it's okay to let your opinion be dependant on others.
No need to form your own.
Everything's okay.
Hush.

Your gamesack apologist shit is kinda sad lol. I'm pretty sure I've laid into Joe ITT.

I've already formed enough of an opinion of Gamesack's (Mostly Joe's) quality from wasting time on their previous episodes, and getting into it with Joe on here about it to know not to waste my time on their crap anymore really. They're like the "For Dummies" of game videos. The people that pine for them typically remain dummies.

Having actual MSX people who were unfortunate enough to waste their time on the video (Because they aren't familiar with Gamesack) express my feelings just confirms that I indeed didn't need to spend 40 minutes.

Anyway,

Generally, MSXes from Japan for decent prices are fair to buy.

It's sometimes worth looking for the MSX2+ and paying a little extra. With just an MSX2 alone, you need to buy an FM-PAC so you can get MSX-MUSIC capabilities (FM music).

Without it, you are missing out.

Shipping one here EMS generally runs around 110$ or so, depending on the model. I've had some come for around 80$, and some for 110$. Floppy drive ones cost more to ship, because they weigh more.

Models worth hunting for

All of these have disk drives. If the belt was not replaced in the auctions you may find, getting a new belt and changing it isn't too hard:
Sony HBF1 series (MSX2: XD, XDmk2) (MSX2+: XDJ, XV)
Panasonic FSA1-WX (MSX2+)
Sanyo Wavy PHC-70FD (MSX2+)
Toshiba HX-34 (MSX2)

All of these don't, and will require a floppy interface like a NoWind, or the new SCC MegaFlash ROM SD cart:
Sony HBF1
Toshiba HX-23
Sanyo Wavys of any variety (The blue Wavy23 is juicy)

You can also scope out a Sony HB-F700 or F900 (with digitizer unit) if you want to feel badass.

Do not buy a TurboR unless you find it cheap, or are into wasting money. They're basically useless unless you are hardcore into MSX.

Any MSX2 will require an FM cartridge. They range between 30-60$ usually.

There are some decent MSX groups on Facebook worth joining. MSX.org is not so good despite being the only real forum. It's not worth explaining in detail in this thread. It's at least 15 years of self mutilation from a ton of Europeans who know each other IRL and can't sort their bullshit out enough to stop being cunts to each other, basically.

MSX Computer Fanland is my group. I was trying to keep it stateside (since we need that, since MSX wasn't a thing here, and having mostly europeans around makes buy/selling a bit of a pain).

yeahbuddy

ClodBusted · 03/22/2018, 02:03 AM

So, why didn't you helped him with the episode to make it more acceptable by your standards?
That info you just posted would have really helped.

Arkhan Asylum · 03/22/2018, 02:16 AM

Quote from: guest on 03/22/2018, 02:03 AMSo, why didn't you helped him with the episode to make it more acceptable by your standards?
That info you just posted would have really helped.

He didn't ask. He's probably not attentive enough to realize I even like or know anything about the MSX. Or have developed a game for it.

We're talking about the dude who asked what Mysterious Song was AFTER it released, and had to ask us for ideas about ninja games like it's that hard to fuckin google "ninja video games" and figure it out, lol.

Am I supposed to watch them closely for their next move, and offer (free) assistance to two dudes who can't do their own homework properly for their paid YouTube channel / show?

Fuck that.

Gypsy · 03/22/2018, 08:49 AM

Thank you very much for teh info dump arkhan. Wasn't planning to fuck around with Turbo R (looks like the SuperGrafx of MSX perhaps?) but the info about the FM cart for example, I did not know about that.

Also yeah...Europeans...nuff said... :derpcat:

NecroPhile · 03/22/2018, 09:10 AM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 03/21/2018, 11:36 PMJoe sucks, gamesack sucks, and people that enjoy Gamesack suck. I'm not going to waste my time with 'em..... other than to troll this thread and tell everyone they suck.

LOL

majors · 03/22/2018, 11:29 AM

Quote from: Gypsy on 03/22/2018, 08:49 AMThank you very much for teh info dump arkhan.

Ditto.

Ark, any advice for RGB? Just stick to ones with that 8-pin DIN?

And you're right about that blue 23J...very distinguished.

JoshTurboTrollX · 03/22/2018, 02:21 PM

I actually didn't think it was a bad "Intro to common games" for MSX. Being a total MSX clue free knuckle head anyway, the episode was fine and showed off a couple cool looking games.

The MSX community is what's killing gaming. Just scientific fact.

Gypsy · 03/22/2018, 02:48 PM

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 03/22/2018, 02:21 PMI actually didn't think it was a bad "Intro to common games" for MSX. Being a total MSX clue free knuckle head anyway, the episode was fine and showed off a couple cool looking games.

The MSX community is what's killing gaming. Just scientific fact.

Looks about as bad as the Neo and PCE communities, from an early glance lol. Which isn't to bash this forum by any means, but taking into account the whole of the PCE scene including the fb groups.

I snagged a SONY HB-F1XD off YAJ so at this point exact peripheral and whatsit recommendations are welcome.

seieienbu · 03/22/2018, 05:09 PM

I'm willing to bet that all gaming communities for less popular systems are mostly in the same boat at this point. It seems like these things are about a pissing contest between people that don't have any actual attachment to the stuff they're trying to one-up each other over.

Joe Redifer · 03/22/2018, 06:25 PM

Quote from: guest on 03/22/2018, 02:16 AM
Quote from: guest on 03/22/2018, 02:03 AMSo, why didn't you help him with the episode to make it more acceptable by your standards?
That info you just posted would have really helped.
He didn't ask. He's probably not attentive enough to realize I even like or know anything about the MSX. Or have developed a game for it.

^^This. But honestly even if I did know, I wouldn't have asked YOU because of your always-pissy attitude towards me or anything I do. I truly do not believe you could be friendly towards me, especially if you knew your PCEFX peers knew about it. Hell, even if the episode was 3 hours long, included all of the info you presented and met the ALL standards of the elite collectors, any possible positive feedback you'd give the episode would surely be in the form of a backhanded compliment, at best. It's who you are.

But what people need to realize is that this episode wasn't made for people who already know everything about the system. Nor can we possibly include every game worth mentioning (nor should we). There's always the future. I don't know everything about the system and you know what? That's OK. I'm always willing to learn more. And I will. But I don't think I represented the console poorly. I never felt it was our best episode but it's not bad. I'm not gonna make any excuses for it though and I'm happy with it. I'm asking people for lots of feedback both in the video and in the comments section on which games to include next time. Lots of great responses so far! The video is doing well and people are enjoying it.

Gypsy · 03/22/2018, 07:09 PM

Is something like this good/useful: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSX-1024KB-RAM-Expansion-Musical-Memory-Mapper-for-MSX1-MSX2-MSX2-Turbo-R/183134020306?hash=item2aa3a362d2:g:2M4AAOSwjRpZUnwY

I would think that I would want extra memory.

Keith Courage · 03/22/2018, 08:35 PM

On a positive note, I don't think I've ever seen a game sack episode that I didn't like. Basically I like watching people talk about video games with some game footage being thrown in. Doesn't matter to me what the games are or if all the back info/history about a game system is mentioned or not. I'm not watching youtube for a big history or technical specifications lesson. I just like discussion about old game systems and the games for them. With this being said, I've never been let down.

I'm not playing Musha...This isn't Musha. hah

Pfloydguy2 · 03/22/2018, 08:45 PM

I used to love Game Sack's videos. But when I saw the third or fourth video where they piss all over the Jaguar or Lynx, I decided it would be the last I watched. They just won't give a game on either system a fair chance.

Rydeen · 03/22/2018, 08:56 PM

Quote from: Gypsy on 03/22/2018, 07:09 PMIs something like this good/useful: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSX-1024KB-RAM-Expansion-Musical-Memory-Mapper-for-MSX1-MSX2-MSX2-Turbo-R/183134020306?hash=item2aa3a362d2:g:2M4AAOSwjRpZUnwY

I would think that I would want extra memory.

That same amount would go better towards an FM expansion cartridge, especially if you're getting an HB-F1XD, it's internals are pretty great across the board.

Gypsy · 03/22/2018, 09:15 PM

Quote from: Rydeen on 03/22/2018, 08:56 PM
Quote from: Gypsy on 03/22/2018, 07:09 PMIs something like this good/useful: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSX-1024KB-RAM-Expansion-Musical-Memory-Mapper-for-MSX1-MSX2-MSX2-Turbo-R/183134020306?hash=item2aa3a362d2:g:2M4AAOSwjRpZUnwY

I would think that I would want extra memory.
That same amount would go better towards an FM expansion cartridge, especially if you're getting an HB-F1XD, it's internals are pretty great across the board.

Links please? I haven't been able to find too much available.

Quote from: Pfloydguy2 on 03/22/2018, 08:45 PMI used to love Game Sack's videos. But when I saw the third or fourth video where they piss all over the Jaguar or Lynx, I decided it would be the last I watched. They just won't give a game on either system a fair chance.

Not sure if serious.

Arkhan Asylum · 03/22/2018, 11:31 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 03/22/2018, 06:25 PM^^This. But honestly even if I did know, I wouldn't have asked YOU because of your always-pissy attitude towards me or anything I do.

Actually, this delivery here, is part of why I don't like you. You have always been a dicktip towards me, and I finally started returning the favor, years ago.

When PCEFX went down way back when, your dumb ass added me on FB. You sent a friend request.

Then, in various posts, you were suddenly baffled that we were friends, and went "why do I have YOU on here", acted like a moron, and unfriended me. Just like you did here. Just like you tend to do. I got tired of it, and your seemingly wanton obtuseness, and decided "fuck this guy".

So, stop blaming me like it's 100% my fault I'm an asshole to you.

You get what you give.

QuoteI truly do not believe you could be friendly towards me, especially if you knew your PCEFX peers knew about it. Hell, even if the episode was 3 hours long, included all of the info you presented and met the ALL standards of the elite collectors, any possible positive feedback you'd give the episode would surely be in the form of a backhanded compliment, at best. It's who you are.

Actually, I could, but the problem is, whenever I tried to, you continued being a dipshit. It was like you'd never heard of these things called "fun" and "jokes" before and made an ass of yourself. Other people even told you to calm the hell down before you ended up getting booted out of one of the FB groups over it.

Which is pretty much why a bunch of us laugh about it, and is part of how the whole YOU GOT GAMESACKED, BITCH thing even started.

Hey, at least you unblocked me. That's a step in the right direction. Don't trip.

Quote from: NecroPhile on 03/22/2018, 09:10 AM
Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 03/21/2018, 11:36 PMJoe sucks, gamesack sucks, and people that enjoy Gamesack suck. I'm not going to waste my time with 'em..... other than to troll this thread and tell everyone they suck.
LOL

Hell yeah.

Quote from: majors on 03/22/2018, 11:29 AM
Quote from: Gypsy on 03/22/2018, 08:49 AMThank you very much for teh info dump arkhan.
Ditto.

Ark, any advice for RGB? Just stick to ones with that 8-pin DIN?

And you're right about that blue 23J...very distinguished.

For RGB, if you get a Toshiba, you get to go on a magical adventure to make your own cable if you can't find one or get it with the machine.

It uses a fancy Hirose connector that you can still buy, but is for like medical equipment.

Sony/Panasonic use DINs and are simpler. Most people stick to those, and the cables are easy to find and/or make because the connector isn't 15 fucking dollars.

but, the Toshiba HX-34 looks 100% cooler.

Rydeen · 03/23/2018, 03:55 AM

Quote from: Gypsy on 03/22/2018, 09:15 PM
Quote from: Rydeen on 03/22/2018, 08:56 PM
Quote from: Gypsy on 03/22/2018, 07:09 PMIs something like this good/useful: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSX-1024KB-RAM-Expansion-Musical-Memory-Mapper-for-MSX1-MSX2-MSX2-Turbo-R/183134020306?hash=item2aa3a362d2:g:2M4AAOSwjRpZUnwY

I would think that I would want extra memory.
That same amount would go better towards an FM expansion cartridge, especially if you're getting an HB-F1XD, it's internals are pretty great across the board.
Links please? I haven't been able to find too much available.

Sure

https://www.8bits4ever.net/product-page/fm-pak

ClodBusted · 03/23/2018, 04:25 AM

Quote from: Pfloydguy2 on 03/22/2018, 08:45 PMI used to love Game Sack's videos. But when I saw the third or fourth video where they piss all over the Jaguar or Lynx, I decided it would be the last I watched. They just won't give a game on either system a fair chance.

These systems had their chance BITD, and they failed.

Gypsy · 03/23/2018, 08:47 AM

Quote from: Rydeen on 03/23/2018, 03:55 AM
Quote from: Gypsy on 03/22/2018, 09:15 PM
Quote from: Rydeen on 03/22/2018, 08:56 PM
Quote from: Gypsy on 03/22/2018, 07:09 PMIs something like this good/useful: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSX-1024KB-RAM-Expansion-Musical-Memory-Mapper-for-MSX1-MSX2-MSX2-Turbo-R/183134020306?hash=item2aa3a362d2:g:2M4AAOSwjRpZUnwY

I would think that I would want extra memory.
That same amount would go better towards an FM expansion cartridge, especially if you're getting an HB-F1XD, it's internals are pretty great across the board.
Links please? I haven't been able to find too much available.
Sure

https://www.8bits4ever.net/product-page/fm-pak

Tyvm.

@Ark: Wow that Toshiba HX-34 looks incredibly cool to an old dork like myself.

JoshTurboTrollX · 03/23/2018, 09:55 AM

on the next episode of gamehuggers:

Ark and Joe hug it out.

Edit: What the fuck is gamehuggers?

Arkhan Asylum · 03/23/2018, 05:13 PM

Quote from: Gypsy on 03/23/2018, 08:47 AM
Quote from: Rydeen on 03/23/2018, 03:55 AM
Quote from: Gypsy on 03/22/2018, 09:15 PM
Quote from: Rydeen on 03/22/2018, 08:56 PM
Quote from: Gypsy on 03/22/2018, 07:09 PMIs something like this good/useful: https://www.ebay.com/itm/MSX-1024KB-RAM-Expansion-Musical-Memory-Mapper-for-MSX1-MSX2-MSX2-Turbo-R/183134020306?hash=item2aa3a362d2:g:2M4AAOSwjRpZUnwY

I would think that I would want extra memory.
That same amount would go better towards an FM expansion cartridge, especially if you're getting an HB-F1XD, it's internals are pretty great across the board.
Links please? I haven't been able to find too much available.
Sure

https://www.8bits4ever.net/product-page/fm-pak
Tyvm.

@Ark: Wow that Toshiba HX-34 looks incredibly cool to an old dork like myself.

I used an HX-34 and FM PAC to develop infernooooo

Also, those recent re-do FM-Pac swap ins are generally OK AFAIK, but I can't remember which one off hand had some sound issues.

It was either a recent one, or it might have been an oldddd one.

I just stick to an actual FM PAC instead. They used to be cheaper back when I got one.

Unfortunately, with the MSX community's Euro-dipshittery, some of the more knowledgeable people about that bit of things basically sit on IRC only to share info, which is super counter productive. I keep telling them to get on Facebook, but they keep saying no, Zuckerbergs an asshole and something about privacy.

It sucks. They're missing out on an opportunity to help inform people of things outside of the shitheap that is MSX.org.

Gypsy · 03/23/2018, 05:55 PM

Yeah the official one is a lot, but I might splurge later on buyee (sure not happening on eBay). For now I'm just gonna play games when it comes in. Speaking of which I need to buy Inferno, is the audio livable/playable w/o the pac?

Rydeen · 03/24/2018, 08:06 PM

Quote from: Gypsy on 03/23/2018, 05:55 PMSpeaking of which I need to buy Inferno, is the audio livable/playable w/o the pac?

Do they have a release date for the physical version yet? I don't know if I want to just buy a ROM to put on a disk if they are releasing a physical cartridge soon.

Arkhan Asylum · 03/24/2018, 10:15 PM

Quote from: Rydeen on 03/24/2018, 08:06 PM
Quote from: Gypsy on 03/23/2018, 05:55 PMSpeaking of which I need to buy Inferno, is the audio livable/playable w/o the pac?
Do they have a release date for the physical version yet? I don't know if I want to just buy a ROM to put on a disk if they are releasing a physical cartridge soon.

If you buy the ROM, I subtract the ROM price from the cartridge price when you buy the cartridge.

I am leaving for Japan in like 6 hours and will start putting more Infernos together when I get home in mid April.

The first 20 went to Japan.

and I'll be ordering parts to make more.

I'm the developer for Inferno, btw.

Quote from: Gypsy on 03/23/2018, 05:55 PMis the audio livable/playable w/o the pac?

No lol. It's like PSG SFX + the portions of the song I layered in with PSG to make some leads sound better.

It's playable but it sounds stupid. There are no drums, or bass.

Gypsy · 03/24/2018, 10:35 PM

Ah okay. I have no problem just buying the rom honestly, I've got floppies, good enough for me. Probably buying a Midi Pac too, we will see. Need to wait for the thing itself to come in first, before I start buying more shit.

Rydeen · 03/24/2018, 10:46 PM

Quote from: guest on 03/24/2018, 10:15 PM
Quote from: Rydeen on 03/24/2018, 08:06 PM
Quote from: Gypsy on 03/23/2018, 05:55 PMSpeaking of which I need to buy Inferno, is the audio livable/playable w/o the pac?
Do they have a release date for the physical version yet? I don't know if I want to just buy a ROM to put on a disk if they are releasing a physical cartridge soon.
If you buy the ROM, I subtract the ROM price from the cartridge price when you buy the cartridge.

I am leaving for Japan in like 6 hours and will start putting more Infernos together when I get home in mid April.

The first 20 went to Japan.

and I'll be ordering parts to make more.

I'm the developer for Inferno, btw.

Cool, I'll order it after my FM PAC arrives in anticipation of the cartridge then.

Arkhan Asylum · 03/25/2018, 01:31 AM

Quote from: Gypsy on 03/24/2018, 10:35 PMAh okay. I have no problem just buying the rom honestly, I've got floppies, good enough for me. Probably buying a Midi Pac too, we will see. Need to wait for the thing itself to come in first, before I start buying more shit.

You can't put the ROM on a floppy really, lol.

It uses an ASCII memory mapper and stuff.

But if you have a Megaflash cart that'll work

Gypsy · 03/25/2018, 12:46 PM

Yeah I should probably get one of those. Is much gained from getting the one with 2 SD card slots instead of 1?

xcrement5x · 03/25/2018, 10:30 PM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 03/23/2018, 05:13 PMI used an HX-34 and FM PAC to develop infernooooo

Also, those recent re-do FM-Pac swap ins are generally OK AFAIK, but I can't remember which one off hand had some sound issues.

It was either a recent one, or it might have been an oldddd one.

I just stick to an actual FM PAC instead. They used to be cheaper back when I got one.

Unfortunately, with the MSX communit Ys Euro-dipshittery, some of the more knowledgeable people about that bit of things basically sit on IRC only to share info, which is super counter productive. I keep telling them to get on Facebook, but they keep saying no, Zuckerbergs an asshole and something about privacy.

It sucks. They're missing out on an opportunity to help inform people of things outside of the shitheap that is MSX.org.

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 03/23/2018, 05:13 PMUnfortunately, with the MSX communit Ys Euro-dipshittery, some of the more knowledgeable people about that bit of things basically sit on IRC only to share info, which is super counter productive. I keep telling them to get on Facebook, but they keep saying no, Zuckerbergs an asshole and something about privacy.

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 03/23/2018, 05:13 PMUnfortunately, with the MSX communit Ys Euro-dipshittery,

C'mon, it should not be that hard to make a word filter that only turns Y APSOSTROPHE S into Ys when there are not preceding letters.

Gypsy · 03/25/2018, 10:36 PM

So yeah shipping ended up being $82. Livable. Wasn't going to cheap out and not do EMS for like $12 less.

ClodBusted · 03/26/2018, 03:08 AM

Quote from: guest on 03/25/2018, 10:30 PMC'mon, it should not be that hard to make a word filter that only turns Y APSOSTROPHE S into Ys when there are not preceding letters.

I just sent a PM to NightWolve.

Pfloydguy2 · 03/27/2018, 03:16 PM

Quote from: Gypsy on 03/22/2018, 09:15 PM
Quote from: Pfloydguy2 on 03/22/2018, 08:45 PMI used to love Game Sack's videos. But when I saw the third or fourth video where they piss all over the Jaguar or Lynx, I decided it would be the last I watched. They just won't give a game on either system a fair chance.
Not sure if serious.

Yup, totally serious. There's plenty of good stuff on both systems, and the Lynx especially had a great library. The Lynx has easily the best ratio of great games to shit game of any console I've played. It has dozens of fantastic arcade ports and some nice exclusives. There are a handful of lousy games for it, but by and large it's a great handheld, was way ahead of its time, and deserved to succeed much better than it did.

The Jag is one of those consoles that lots of people have never played but think they know enough to bash it anyway. Of course they're free to do so, just like I'm free to disregard their opinion when I hear that. There's a lot of awful games on the Jaguar. If Game Sack wants to review those and bash them, they're free to do so. But they should still recognize the good games, and they don't. They just treat the Jag like a garbage system.

Quote from: guest on 03/23/2018, 04:25 AMThese systems had their chance BITD, and they failed.

Just like the Turbo in the US?

NecroPhile · 03/27/2018, 03:33 PM

Quote from: Pfloydguy2 on 03/27/2018, 03:16 PMJust like the Turbo in the US?

It didn't do that well in NA, true, but it's not really the same thing. The Jag and Lynx didn't have a highly successful run in JP.

Gypsy · 03/27/2018, 04:09 PM

I didn't like anything I played on the Jaguar. :/

Gypsy · 03/27/2018, 04:14 PM

Oh and I'll have the MSX soon so I was wondering Ark (or anyone that would know) do I need a voltage converter of any kind or am I good to go? I haven't had anything Japanese that's this old so I just wanted to make sure.

Winniez · 03/27/2018, 04:33 PM

Quote from: Gypsy on 03/27/2018, 04:14 PMOh and I'll have the MSX soon so I was wondering Ark (or anyone that would know) do I need a voltage converter of any kind or am I good to go? I haven't had anything Japanese that's this old so I just wanted to make sure.

You should be ok in the North America but in the long run I would go with a transformer, just to be safe.

Winniez · 03/27/2018, 04:37 PM

Lynx indeed has a suprisingly strong library, relatively speaking. With Jaguar I'm not so sure, can't think of a single game to get the Jaguar for. Id ports are great though, but I would never want to play those games on anything other than PC. The Jag has some good stuff but there are just better ways to play those games.

crazydean · 03/27/2018, 05:19 PM

Quote from: Pfloydguy2 on 03/27/2018, 03:16 PMYup, totally serious. There's plenty of good stuff on both systems, and the Lynx especially had a great library. The Lynx has easily the best ratio of great games to shit game of any console I've played. It has dozens of fantastic arcade ports and some nice exclusives. There are a handful of lousy games for it, but by and large it's a great handheld, was way ahead of its time, and deserved to succeed much better than it did.

Lol, somebody had a Lynx growing up.

It's funny to see how much nostalgia affects someone's perspective. If you hold a NES vs 7800 poll on Atari Age, the 7800 wins hands down, but go literally anywhere else and post that same poll. I guarantee the 7800 loses every single time. For someone who isn't a fan of either, it's easy to see which console was superior, but those nostalgia glasses are awful rosy.

Pfloydguy2 · 03/28/2018, 09:09 AM

Quote from: crazydean on 03/27/2018, 05:19 PMLol, somebody had a Lynx growing up.

It's funny to see how much nostalgia affects someone's perspective. If you hold a NES vs 7800 poll on Atari Age, the 7800 wins hands down, but go literally anywhere else and post that same poll. I guarantee the 7800 loses every single time. For someone who isn't a fan of either, it's easy to see which console was superior, but those nostalgia glasses are awful rosy.

There's really no defense against this argument. No matter what I say about the Lynx, you could always attribute it to nostalgia. And there's no way to prove you wrong, just like you can't prove I'm blinded by nostalgia. But many people who actually have played the Lynx come away from it impressed and wondering why it didn't catch on. Many of the games are consistently well-reviewed. And it still has a significant fanbase today, with new games being released every year.

As far as the 7800 vs NES, there's plenty of love for the NES at AtariAge. I don't go to the 7800 portion of the forum, but I have been a member of AtariAge for many years and I've never noticed any unusual feelings toward the NES.

Pfloydguy2 · 03/28/2018, 09:17 AM

Quote from: guest on 03/27/2018, 03:33 PM
Quote from: Pfloydguy2 on 03/27/2018, 03:16 PMJust like the Turbo in the US?
It didn't do that well in NA, true, but it's not really the same thing. The Jag and Lynx didn't have a highly successful run in JP.

It's not the same thing, no. But I think the comparison to the Turbo's performance in the West is absolutely relevant. Clearly the Turbo is a good system with lots of good software. It failed in the West due to problems unrelated to the quality of the console and games. Why is it such a stretch to say the same phenomenon is possible with other platforms?

To be clear, I'm not trying to argue that the Jaguar is a great system. It had potential, but a ton of terrible games and a lack of enough good ones sunk its chances. It did have good games and even a few great ones, but it had some serious issues. My issue with the Jaguar on Game Sack is that they don't even give the good games a chance.

The Lynx really was a great system though. It didn't catch on, and Atari's marketing for it was terrible, but when we look at it retrospectively we need to look at the games as they are/were. Terrible marketing isn't something we should consider when we rate a game - we just rate the game on its own merits.