MSR *WILL* be finished, come hell or high water... hell more likely.

[VestCunt]

plus that track 1 audio track will effectively go to waste...

NOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! 

[esteban]

 

I knew it was too good to be true! 

I am patient, of course. It's all good.

[OldRover]

We're no closer than before. Apparently, the discs ended up passing QA just fine (they stopped trying to put it into iTunes... fucking dipshits, I swear) but now there's a new "issue". I think we're done with these jokers.

[Keranu]

This is the email I got from them:

""Keelan, here is the latest from our replication department.

I'm not sure if this would mean anything to you but here it is...
It seems to be something more than Data/Audio issues


sincerely,
Steve Bennett (filling in for Brian)




> Project is on hold.
>
> Need replacement master. Job makes it through premastering, however when attempting to cut metal it gets the following error:
>
> "0x01030018. No valid description at I:\36351653197-6J-R: MS (00003) - Data Overlap, previous map which ends at 5969 overlaps at 5893.""


Any ideas, OldMan?

[Arkhan Asylum]

Describe the entire CD creation and burn process that was used this time. 


This basically sounds like the same error.

[OldMan]

Just a guess......

6000 would be the 10 sec mark. The overlap is 1 sec long.
Assuming the 2 sec initial gap, and an 8 sec warning, that puts us at the data track.

Did you set the pregap for the data track to 00:03:00  (ie, 3 seconds).
Don't forget, you have to adjust the other tracks after that, too, so the times are right.

But that's just my guess....

[Arkhan Asylum]

Just a guess......

6000 would be the 10 sec mark. The overlap is 1 sec long.
Assuming the 2 sec initial gap, and an 8 sec warning, that puts us at the data track.

Did you set the pregap for the data track to 00:03:00  (ie, 3 seconds).
Don't forget, you have to adjust the other tracks after that, too, so the times are right.

But that's just my guess....

yeah.  I should have specified, that a cue sheet (as part of the steps taken for this current build), is important. 

see if you can coax them into some more specifics on the errors going on.

[OldRover]

-Build the ISO with isolink2.
-Mount the ISO solo with Alcohol 120%.
-Rip the ISO to a BIN file with CDRWIN.
-Burn the new disc with Alcohol 120% in DAO/SAO mode at 4X (the lowest my burner goes).

Pretty simple. The data track is configured for a 3 second pregap and a 2 second postgap, as per the standard.

[OldRover]

Here's the cuesheet used to burn the disc:

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FILE track01.wav WAVE
  TRACK 01 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track02.bin BINARY
  TRACK 02 MODE1/2352
    PREGAP 00:03:00
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
POSTGAP 00:02:00
FILE track03.wav WAVE
  TRACK 03 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track04.wav WAVE
  TRACK 04 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track05.wav WAVE
  TRACK 05 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track06.wav WAVE
  TRACK 06 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track07.wav WAVE
  TRACK 07 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track08.wav WAVE
  TRACK 08 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track09.wav WAVE
  TRACK 09 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track10.wav WAVE
  TRACK 10 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track11.wav WAVE
  TRACK 11 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track12.wav WAVE
  TRACK 12 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track13.wav WAVE
  TRACK 13 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track14.wav WAVE
  TRACK 14 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track15.wav WAVE
  TRACK 15 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track16.wav WAVE
  TRACK 16 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track17.wav WAVE
  TRACK 17 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track18.wav WAVE
  TRACK 18 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track19.wav WAVE
  TRACK 19 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track20.wav WAVE
  TRACK 20 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track21.wav WAVE
  TRACK 21 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track22.wav WAVE
  TRACK 22 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track23.wav WAVE
  TRACK 23 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track24.wav WAVE
  TRACK 24 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track25.wav WAVE
  TRACK 25 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track26.wav WAVE
  TRACK 26 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track27.wav WAVE
  TRACK 27 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track28.wav WAVE
  TRACK 28 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
FILE track29.wav WAVE
  TRACK 29 AUDIO
    INDEX 01 00:00:00
Track 1 is 01:15:57 long.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I vote you make a one-off little demo game called Pregap McGee in Legend of the Hidden Overlap.


This should be fixable pretty painlessly.

Have you considered doing the "Stuff it all in one huge file and hand-roll the times" approach?

[OldRover]

Just a heads-up... I am seriously considering doing an Xbox 360 remake of this game (yeah, a remake of a remake) but aside from the cutscenes, it would not look anything like the PCE version. A lot of people have been asking for it for awhile now, and now that I actually have a machine to test such a thing on, I might just make it a reality. However, it would get a graphical overhaul, and perhaps even some new areas and side-quests. We'll see what happens over the next few weeks.

Oh... and no new news on the pressing yet. Working with TheOldMan to get the cue automake utility fully working.

[PikachuWarrior]

First thing would be to get the TG version sorted out to completion (including finalizing and shipping the discs out to customers), and then worry about this Xbox 360 version. Just what I think anyway.

[OldRover]

Obviously. I have other things lined up in 360-land first anyway... gonna be doing a vertical cute-em-up with a very unorthodox theme. But I don't have to be concerned with the PCE version 24/7... things happen when they happen, and in the meantime, I've got other things to do. I am not the kind of person to dwell on one particular issue... if it can't be fixed at the moment, worrying about it and doing nothing else is a complete waste of time.

Oh, and another update... there was a problem with the first audio track that was causing the autocue program to have issues. All's fixed on that front now, so we have a new cue file. Just ironing out one final detail.

[PikachuWarrior]

sweet! hope i didn't come off as being rude. a lot of people tend to take on more than they can do at once and then everything suffers.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Obviously. I have other things lined up in 360-land first anyway... gonna be doing a vertical cute-em-up with a very unorthodox theme. But I don't have to be concerned with the PCE version 24/7... things happen when they happen, and in the meantime, I've got other things to do. I am not the kind of person to dwell on one particular issue... if it can't be fixed at the moment, worrying about it and doing nothing else is a complete waste of time.

Oh, and another update... there was a problem with the first audio track that was causing the autocue program to have issues. All's fixed on that front now, so we have a new cue file. Just ironing out one final detail.

yeah, the new cuesheet diddler helps.  lol


Speaking of all of this crap

did you think of asking Nationwide for any sort of semi-refund?  If you paid for some fast turnaround that hasn't happened, you might be able to.

[OldRover]

Just having one minor issue with the cuesheet maker... it's giving a very strange message at the end of the process, and I don't want to move forward until I know what's what.

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DataChunk header not found! [cue ┤☺]

[OldRover]

We sorted out the last remaining issue... one of the late audio tracks wasn't kosher. All working now. Will be doing testing over the weekend.

[Bernie]

I know you are sick of this bastard by now.

[OldRover]

I was sick of it 2 years ago.

[ParanoiaDragon]

I was sick of it 2 years ago.

Here here!  And that's considering I havn't done much testing of the game in general, so I would say Rover must LOATHE this game! It tis' an evil that MUST be perged!

[spenoza]

Purged, yo. Because I'm pedantic like that...

[OldRover]

Testing complete... new masters going out in the morning.

[cabbage]

fingers crossed!

[OldRover]

Took a few extra days but I got the masters sent out. Time was at a premium this past week.

[blueraven]

Ok, I was under the impression that this thread was locked. Glad you guys worked out your differences, and the updates continue.

Seriously Rove, I'm glad you're still working on this.

[PikachuWarrior]

eagerly waiting

[Keranu]

Here we go again, we'll soon find out if the new masters pass or not. Pray to your respective deities / send good wishes / cross your fingers / whatever that we make it!

"Good morning Keelan,

The new masters have arrived. I will be placing them in today and will let you know within the next 2 business days when they pass.

Sincerely,
Brian"

[OldRover]

*will not jinx it, will not jinx it, will not jinx it...*

[ParanoiaDragon]

*will not jinx it, will not jinx it, will not jinx it...*

Doh! You shouldn't have said that, now it's jinxed!!!  I guess we gotta start all over again!

[Mathius]

Another month, another lost bookmark on this thread. I don't know why my email hides just this thread from me!

I am sending all the positive energy I have your way guys. That'll be all I have to give for a while. ....I may be grumpy for the next few days.

[Arkhan Asylum]

hopefully this is it.  no more oops issues.

[OldRover]

I trust TheOldMan's technical expertise.

[OldMan]

*will not jinx it, will not jinx it, will not jinx it...*

hopefully this is it.  no more oops issues.

We won't know until Friday, at the earliest. It's always possible there is still something that needs fixed.
But if that is the case, we -will- fix it as soon as possible. Promise.

[incrediblehark]

i got worried i missed the release since i was away from the boards for almost a month. Sounds like you guys got your problems sorted out, very good news, I'll keep my fingers crossed!

[PikachuWarrior]

all good?

[OldRover]

Dunno yet. Their latest message didn't inspire much hope, as they are still ignorant of the unorthodox track layout.

[Keranu]

Received this email last Friday:

"Keelan,

My apologies! I just got word that the new masters are giving us the same issues as the last ones and have failed. At this point I'm not sure how to proceed.

Please see below.

It is formatted very strange.
I cannot get it to open the original file folder. When you try to open, it thinks it's an audio disc. So if this is supposed to be a game, then something is definitely not right.


Sincerely,
Brian"

I responded reassuring the CD is supposed to be formatted that way and it's expected for the audio tracks to play when inserted into a PC or stereo. We should be able to find out if there are any replication errors next week.

[Duo_R]

 

[Arjak]

[RegalSin]

Send it to a differnt place, for the love of the god of gods, send it to
a differnt place, send it to a differnt place.

Dear customer,

Your disc read as an audio disc

Sincerly
Do I know what I am doing

Maybe they think you are trying make something for the X-box. Just tell them to try and write it as an audio disc, and send a test copy back to you. If they could do so I wouldn't give them mind about the context. I am pretty sure in a command line world, this damn thing would read as an audio file, if it was 1984.

Also



Da phaaaaaaaalalallllalaaa

[Arkhan Asylum]

Send them a Duo-R and go 'PUT IT IN THIS.  I BET IT WORKS'

[VestCunt]

I responded reassuring the CD is supposed to be formatted that way and it's expected for the audio tracks to play when inserted into a PC or stereo. We should be able to find out if there are any replication errors next week.

Did you include any kind of letter of explanation with the new masters? It seems like you're hitting a huge communication breakdown and trying to reinvent the wheel everytime you contact them. Any correspondence with these guys should include a lengthy introduction/FAQ with plenty of quotes and history of what's gone before.

[Bernie]

Arkhan, did you have to hand deliver and hold their retarded little hands to get Insanity pressed?  Or is that why its called Insanity?  These folks seem like utter retards.  I mean damn, how many fucking times do they have to be told, "IT IS SUPPOSED TO FUCKING DO THAT MORONS!!!!"?

[Arkhan Asylum]

no dude i just sent it and first they said your master has a ding in it, send a new one

sent like 10 more, they said ok its good, expect goods in a week...


I just told them it was a video game for a 25 year old game machine.

[OldMan]

no dude i just sent it and first they said your master has a ding in it, send a new one
sent like 10 more, they said ok its good, expect goods in a week...
I just told them it was a video game for a 25 year old game machine

But in all fairness, that was 3 years ago. Apparently, their 'quality control' has improved .

[Seriously, it seems like they have gone the way of many others, and can't handle anything even a little out of the ordinary. ]

edit:

I mean damn, how many fucking times do they have to be told, "IT IS SUPPOSED TO FUCKING DO THAT MORONS!!!!"?

Apparently, every time you send a new master, they start all over. Without any memory of what went before.
But with luck, there will only be 1 more "this is screwed up....No, it's supposed to be like that" round.
I forget what the second round actually was, but it had something to do with the audio layout...


And I think if 'Brian' ever gets this actually pressed, we should all e-mail him our thanks.
And ask if he's ready to do another one

[OldRover]

Just tell them to try and write it as an audio disc, and send a test copy back to you.

The problem is, prior discs wouldn't make it through the cutter phase. And if we request a proof disc, it's a few extra hundred bucks.

[Keranu]

I responded reassuring the CD is supposed to be formatted that way and it's expected for the audio tracks to play when inserted into a PC or stereo. We should be able to find out if there are any replication errors next week.

Did you include any kind of letter of explanation with the new masters? It seems like you're hitting a huge communication breakdown and trying to reinvent the wheel everytime you contact them. Any correspondence with these guys should include a lengthy introduction/FAQ with plenty of quotes and history of what's gone before.

If we ever have to send in more masters, we'll definitely be attaching a forewarning note!

[incrediblehark]

I hope that when they finally get it right they remember for your future game releases and not have to go through this every single time

[termis]

Really does sound like one of those instances where you just have to pick up the phone and talk to someone instead of same email going back & forth...

[DragonmasterDan]

I'm hopeful this gets through, obviously it playing audio beforehand is a good sign. It sounds like this is a good image and has simply just managed to confound nationwide disc.