I Wish Mods Here Were More Militant

[jlued686]

Seriously, there's a lot of bullshit going on here lately and it would be nice if some of the moderators were a bit more loose with the "Ban Hammer." There are at least a few people who only come here to stir up shit and act like assholes, in some sort of pathetic internet dick-wagging. Give them a temporary ban, or get 'em out for good.

Hell, if nothing else, make me a mod and let me clean house. I've been here for a good decade. Let's get nuts. I'll go Judge Dredd on these douchebags.

[PCEngineHell]

This have anything to do with ole Xrays giant rant he posted today where he comes clean about his "beliefs" as it were?

[jlued686]

That's just the latest in a series of idiotic bullshit that's been posted here lately for no other reason than to piss people off.

I normally don't get involved in this sort of thing, honestly. I feel like a bit of a putz for letting it bother me at all. But like I said, I've been involved in these forums for a long-ass time and can't remember it ever being this bad. Fucking nerd/troll/jerkoffs pissing on other people's good time.

[Drakon]

I found xray's useless post amusing it just makes him look even worse.

That's just the latest in a series of idiotic bullshit that's been posted here lately for no other reason than to piss people off.

I normally don't get involved in this sort of thing, honestly. I feel like a bit of a putz for letting it bother me at all. But like I said, I've been involved in these forums for a long-ass time and can't remember it ever being this bad. Fucking nerd/troll/jerkoffs pissing on other people's good time.

[VestCunt]

I waffle between "ban 'em all!" and "let the assholes speak!". Ultimately, I support banning because there's no way to permanently get rid of anyone anyway. Might as well trigger bullies' inferiority complex by making them feel excluded and having some laughs when they're forced to create new accounts and spoof their IP, becoming increasingly pissed off.

Same thing with moving threads. Sometimes I wish all of the derailed topics would be tossed into Fighting Street on a regular basis; other times I enjoy seeing the latest nazi/pedo/gouger defense at the top of the sales forum and chuckling to myself as I imagine what the hell lurkers and newcomers must think.

[PunkCryborg]

I've been to gaming forums though where the mods are ban crazy and the environment is probably worse that way though then us dealing with the knuckleheads we get vigilante style.

[Drakon]

I've been to gaming forums though where the mods are ban crazy and the environment is probably worse that way though then us dealing with the knuckleheads we get vigilante style.

I prefer a more relaxed environment.  However if someone posted a desktop like xrays on my forum I'd ban the guy.  That sh#t's just gross.

[PunkCryborg]

yeah i don't think hate speech or images should be tolerated on a forum that has an international user base

[BigusSchmuck]

Honorable mention Fenix for posting my personal information on a public forum and regal sin for making my brain go potty.

[RegalSin]

You know I remember an internet that was wild and free, instead of sealed and closed like the vagina of a feminist. You know like a sex hunger milf or a sports woman. Damn I miss that athletic instructor.

[Emerald Rocker]

You know I remember an internet that was wild and free, instead of sealed and closed like the vagina of a feminist. You know like a sex hunger milf or a sports woman. Damn I miss that athletic instructor.

Feminist vaginas actually tend to be rather open, what with the whole concept of sexual freedom and empowerment.  You clearly need to do more research!

[Drakon]

I think you mean once the police found your illegal activities they shut it down.

You know I remember an internet that was wild and free, instead of sealed and closed like the vagina of a feminist. You know like a sex hunger milf or a sports woman. Damn I miss that athletic instructor.

[NecroPhile]

I don't want the mods to be militant - I just want them to do their fucking jobs.  People like ninnypants, regal, and xray repeatedly break the rules, yet they're given a free pass; so one can only assume that there are no rules.  Feel free to attack anyone and everyone, post pr0n pics, and link to isos and what not.  Free range, motherfuckers!

[OldRover]

I like pr0n. More pr0n on the forum plzkthx.

[jlued686]

I don't want the mods to be militant - I just want them to do their fucking jobs.  People like ninnypants, regal, and xray repeatedly break the rules, yet they're given a free pass; so one can only assume that there are no rules.  Feel free to attack anyone and everyone, post pr0n pics, and link to isos and what not.  Free range, motherfuckers!

Agreed.

[Arkhan Asylum]

The problem is, we have basically 1 moderator who doesn't pay attention to about 70% of what goes on.

[RegalSin]

Well the PCE enviorment is clean and slovent right now, because it is a 2d system that heads on with the Saturn. I hope it stays that way for a long time. Some users are obviously not universal, or well balanced. You know one time kinda five second attention span, and all.

[NecroPhile]

The problem is, we have basically 1 moderator who doesn't pay attention to about 70% of what goes on.

I'd say you're being generous at 70%, but yeah.  And while I can't speak directly for the older members that are no longer active, I've no doubt the lack of moderation played its part in their waning interest; reading a bunch of personal attacks, wildly off topic bull, redundant threads, and the same wtb posts being bumped every few days gets rather tiring, yet this type of behavior isn't discouraged at all.  And if one has the temerity to complain, they're told to ignore it.

[PunkCryborg]

im tired of seeing the dude that posted above you NecroPhile spam the boards with nonsense, makes me not want to read the threads he's posted in anymore

[NightWolve]

He probably wouldn't appreciate me mentioning him, so I won't, but there was a member here that I liked, thought was a cool guy and asked him why he deleted his account here when I found him elsewhere and he noted some of what NecroPhile said.

Who was the video game "rapper" guy that was apparently obnoxious ? I don't know who he's referring to, but he said he was one of the dudes that ruined the forums for him. Oddly enough, he said he remembered Nintega as just a buffoon, harmless, that never really bothered him.

Anyhow, I'm not a model citizen here, but I thought it was morally justifiable to go after Xray in more public threads the way in which some of us did. With RegalSin, wow, I really changed my mind about him and kinda just want him gone... But, it wouldn't be entirely for the right reasons. The guy is making me sick the way he keeps trying to minimize the outrage of Xray and taking little snipes at those of us that felt we did the right thing to stop the guy from making money around here given his background. Hell, to spare our military any unneeded embarrassment, I'd delete the fact that Xray says he was in it...that was my first thought when I read that, our troops don't need the bad PR that comes from his situation after all that... Not good!

I know I take tangents in a thread, but sometimes it's just a sort of 'why not?' feeling and viewing things like a chatroom setting where it's normal. Sometimes it makes things more interesting, but I understand the opposition to it.

Well, has anybody in this thread ever seriously volunteered to become a moderator or ?? If the feeling is the current mods aren't doing enough, let's add some more or is it very hard to earn a spot around here ?

[Drakon]

That's too militant for me.  I don't mind stuff getting bumpbed or off topic as long as the conversation's fun.  Personal attacks should get removed with a warning over pm or something.

The problem is, we have basically 1 moderator who doesn't pay attention to about 70% of what goes on.

I'd say you're being generous at 70%, but yeah.  And while I can't speak directly for the older members that are no longer active, I've no doubt the lack of moderation played its part in their waning interest; reading a bunch of personal attacks, wildly off topic bull, redundant threads, and the same wtb posts being bumped every few days gets rather tiring, yet this type of behavior isn't discouraged at all.  And if one has the temerity to complain, they're told to ignore it.

[HercTNT]

Here is what upsets me more than even an xray or a regalsin: Those of us who went after xray in the beginning were told we were drama queens and needed to back off. It did not take long for his real side to be exposed (Mostly thanks to mike who was also shit on for doing it). Some of those who called us drama queens were long standing well known members of the community. Thats how bad some people wanted his signs. I don't know of any of those people who have come back and said "alright, we made a mistake, the guy was a dirt bag and got his". People like these two come and go. And as Punknic said we have a kind of vigilante style that usually removes the garbage. Threads would not go off into wild pissing contests nearly as much if we were not having this huge influx of asshats hell bent on stirring the shit. But when they do get here, if moderators don't deal with them, then someone has to, or allow them to run free. The people that usually deal with them are not regarded as doing the community a favor, they often get called drama queens. Just my two cents on the issue. I have no doubt that some of you will not like what i have said, buy honestly, a good chunk of the community now is in agreement that xray was way off base. And a good portion are tired of regalsin polluting every thread he can get his hands on unabated.

[nectarsis]

There has been numerous threads on wanting/needing more mods....even names thrown around.  Sadly it usually dies off pretty quick.

[Drakon]

On the modded by bacteria forum my friend exposed a modder for providing terrible service with basically no communication for months.  I added my own personal experiences to help expose this guy.  Next thing I knew I was being accused of generating hate and they threatened to ban me for posting all my bad experiences dealing with that guy.  I left that forum voluntarily because I couldn't believe how non seriously they take someone messing with hundreds of dollars worth of my friend's hardware.  What I posted wasn't hateful, it was my personal experiences hiring that guy.  I had a lot of bad things to point out about his service because frankly it had been terrible, but I wanted other people to be fairly warned.

So I think I can understand how you feel.

Here is what upsets me more than even an xray or a regalsin: Those of us who went after xray in the beginning were told we were drama queens and needed to back off. It did not take long for his real side to be exposed (Mostly thanks to mike who was also shit on for doing it). Some of those who called us drama queens were long standing well known members of the community. Thats how bad some people wanted his signs. I don't know of any of those people who have come back and said "alright, we made a mistake, the guy was a dirt bag and got his". People like these two come and go. And as Punknic said we have a kind of vigilante style that usually removes the garbage. Threads would not go off into wild pissing contests nearly as much if we were not having this huge influx of asshats hell bent on stirring the shit. But when they do get here, if moderators don't deal with them, then someone has to, or allow them to run free. The people that usually deal with them are not regarded as doing the community a favor, they often get called drama queens. Just my two cents on the issue. I have no doubt that some of you will not like what i have said, buy honestly, a good chunk of the community now is in agreement that xray was way off base. And a good portion are tired of regalsin polluting every thread he can get his hands on unabated.

[CGQuarterly]

Here is what upsets me more than even an xray or a regalsin: Those of us who went after xray in the beginning were told we were drama queens and needed to back off. It did not take long for his real side to be exposed (Mostly thanks to mike who was also shit on for doing it). Some of those who called us drama queens were long standing well known members of the community. Thats how bad some people wanted his signs. I don't know of any of those people who have come back and said "alright, we made a mistake, the guy was a dirt bag and got his". People like these two come and go. And as Punknic said we have a kind of vigilante style that usually removes the garbage. Threads would not go off into wild pissing contests nearly as much if we were not having this huge influx of asshats hell bent on stirring the shit. But when they do get here, if moderators don't deal with them, then someone has to, or allow them to run free. The people that usually deal with them are not regarded as doing the community a favor, they often get called drama queens. Just my two cents on the issue. I have no doubt that some of you will not like what i have said, buy honestly, a good chunk of the community now is in agreement that xray was way off base. And a good portion are tired of regalsin polluting every thread he can get his hands on unabated.

I agree 100%.

And if the only reason that we don't have better moderation around here is that no one wants to do it, then fuck it, I'll do it.  Redifer seems like a cool dude, but maybe he's too busy with Game Sack to give a shit about this place.  Isn't he also a mod on Sega-16?  Someone needs to moderate this place who actually reads all of the new posts every day and keeps up with everything.

Chris

[PunkCryborg]

tats for mod

[Sadler]

I've bitched about this plenty before, though probably entirely in chat. Joe seems like a good guy, but I honestly think he made a poor decision with Ark a while ago and hasn't had the balls to wield the ban hammer since then. I really wish he'd step up to the plate, but if not I'll throw my support behind getting some new mods here. I think DragonmasterDan and BlackTiger would make great mods. NecroPhile and SignOfZeta would be awesome too.

Yeah, we can continue with the vigilante approach but that doesn't always work. I'm not saying we need to ban every noob asking for price checks on shit but goddammit, how much shit are we willing to let fly here? It's really disappointing. I fucking love this site and there's still a lot of people doing great things here. But the fact that everything goes unchecked here really wears on my desire to spend time here and I know I'm not alone.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I'll moderate.


flamewar shenanigans will get stripped out and sent to fighting street so only the tough guys can come hang.


complete jackasses will just get banned and have their user name forum rank thing changed to "Dicktoucher"

[Bernie]

How I would love to be a mod here.  I even messaged Aaron about it, but never got a response.   I honestly think he just has lost interest in the site. 

[Joe Redifer]

The problem with moderating is that you can't really win.  So I've decided to stop giving a fuck.  Yeah I'll still take care of shit here and there, but I find that the community here pretty much does the job of ostracizing anyone in need of being ostracized.  When Nintega pops back up, I usually let the community have their fun for a day or two before I boot him.  And I approve new members in giant clusters.  But otherwise, I don't give a shit because it's really not worth giving a shit about.  You all could post hard core porn in the TurboGrafx section and I wouldn't do a damned thing.  And Nat's 100% useless.  Keranu's even more useless than that.  And believe it or not, Aaron tops them both in uselessness on this forum.  So we might as well just follow Keranu's mantra of "don't do shit... ever".  Well, mostly.

I tried to alter your account to make you a mod, Arkhan, but I don't seem to have that ability.  I can change your username and other shit like ultima end cap plus four and nonsense like that but I can't change your "rank".

[Bernie]

Sadly Joe, I can actually see your point.  I wonder if Aaron would be willing to let the site go to someone else.   Hell, I'd buy it if it wasn't too high on the pay scale.

[PCEngineHell]

I've bitched about this plenty before, though probably entirely in chat. Joe seems like a good guy, but I honestly think he made a poor decision with Ark a while ago and hasn't had the balls to wield the ban hammer since then. I really wish he'd step up to the plate, but if not I'll throw my support behind getting some new mods here. I think DragonmasterDan and BlackTiger would make great mods. NecroPhile and SignOfZeta would be awesome too.

The problem with that is you'd need to find people with thick skin who can tend to be totally impartial, who have proven to be so when the shit hits the fan. Some you have mentioned there obviously would not be, and you'd risk them using any mod abilities they have to resolve their own petty squabbles, which I can guarantee will happen.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Yeah, I sure would.

lol.

but it would be pretty hilarious probably.


I vote BlueBMW be a moderator.   That dude's pretty mellow

[BigusSchmuck]

Yeah, I sure would.

lol.

but it would be pretty hilarious probably.


I vote BlueBMW be a moderator.   That dude's pretty mellow

I second BlueBMW. I also nominate Arkhan as well. Its a shame that the current mods can't promote anyone to a mod here.

[PunkCryborg]

NecroPhile for mod all the way, he reads everything, calls out the morons already, hosts the christmas exchange, is the top poster and has been aroud for a long time. In fact he's pretty much the unnofficial mod here already like the Robocop. BMW is and Dragonmasterdan are too nice and wouldn't want anyone to argue.
Keranu is cool, I've asked him to move threads and such and he has. Joe, I understand where you are coming from taking a stance of letting things just work themselves out. The one thing though I think would be helpful making this place a little better is if the threads that get out of hand get moved to fighting street so they are only viewable to members.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Can I be a vigilante mod?

[jlued686]

I don't care which one of you is moderator. But I'll cast my vote for whomever promises to ban RegalSin immediately.

[geise]

I vote Regal off the island.  Ark must now label him accordingly.

[PunkCryborg]

[tggodfrey]

I was an Admin for many years on a Friends automotive site and I was very harsh towards the same sort of Bullshit we are seeing here.  I still have access but i gave up for many of the reasons Joe mentioned.  Your core group of regulars who make up the site hold a good amount of respect for the Admins & mods; new guys want to tell you to go fu&* yourself.  You can ban them then spend the next month patrolling every new IP that comes through the door.  Hell I even disabled the open registry many times to stop that type of person.  That was all fine and dandy till some of the regulars started to think they could be the same way towards idiot newbies.  So now what do you do?  You have to treat everyone fair and frankly the OG guys didn't like the same Ban Hammer they originally wanted.  Another friend took over the reins and he is the same way I was only with a lot less experience/knowledge.  I can already see him getting the way I felt.  Its very difficult and some people do enjoy it but a great deal of regulars I promoted to Mods had difficulty dealing with their "friends" as a Moderator or on the flip side some people spent so much time watching the board that their activity grew stagnant.

Everyone wants to be a Moderator but they dont want to do the necessary work and PR required to actually keep the site smooth.  Some people have to be coddled and finessed and others told to go take a long walk off a short pier.  Be too harsh and the community will dwindle a lot, too condescending and you have people thinking they can tell you to go stick it up your a$$.  You end up devoting a great deal of time to reading all the posts you just dont want to.  As an admin i monitored access statistics to make sure all mods were holding up their end of the workload and I was always on someones ass or retiring people.

I still maintain my Admin login to 2GNT.com but I will admit the site has dropped 50% activity in the past 5 years.  Its hard to blame it on harsh moderating but I would say it is safe to say that had something to do with it.

One thing i am trying to get at here is that you guys need to understand its very difficult to please everyone and you have to accept the work the Mods do without bitching.  There is a "report" button on every post.  Use it.

Terry

[geise]

I think all most of us want is moderating for "severe" cases.  Also, people complain about it but the ignore function works wonders and cleans up the board for you.

[jlued686]

I'm not asking for drastic action. Just...some action. Ignore button or no, there's no debate that RegalSin makes coming here a less-enjoyable experience for just about everyone; at least for those who don't find some strange amusement in his idiocy. And I would guess he probably scares off newcomers as well.

I've been a moderator on a few forums in the past. Honestly, I enjoyed it. Sure, there's the lame internet drama you have to deal with, but I took pride in keeping the place clean and making it a nice place for people to visit. I've been a member here for nearly a decade, and would be happy to give moderating this place a shot, but it seems like the one or two mods who actually spend any time here don't even have the ability to assign moderator privileges.

[Joe Redifer]

The one thing though I think would be helpful making this place a little better is if the threads that get out of hand get moved to fighting street so they are only viewable to members.

Not that I disagree, but the problem with that is that topics would have to be split with a new thread being created with just the "out of hand" posts because often the topic is a good one and the whole thing shouldn't be moved.  I don't have a lot of time for this and when I do I'm just too lazy.  I also don't frequent the Sales forums which seem to be a major cause of a lot of, err... distress.  I like having access so I can approve members and tend to needs like that but an active mod who takes care of the babysitting would be VERY welcome.  Over at Sega-16 I just take care of administrative tasks now (adding features to the forum, etc) while someone else does the babysitting and I enjoy the forums SO much more now without having to worry about that.

I can talk to Aaron.

[CGQuarterly]

I agree with jlued686.  I think that a big reason that people are suddenly unhappy with the moderation here is that Regal has been allowed to run rampant.  He derails every thread that he posts in, and I feel like he's posting more often.  Xray also should have been dealt with.  Joe, I understand that you're an unmotivated moderator, and I appreciate your honesty, but if you would just ban the extreme cases like the two that I mentioned, then I think that the board regulars will take care of the rest of the riff-raff ourselves.  Maybe we just need to start "ban, please" threads here in FS, and if its obvious that the majority of regulars want the person gone, then we can PM Joe to make him aware of the thread, and he can ban the person if he sees fit.

Chris

[NecroPhile]

One thign i am trying to get at here is that you guys need to understand its very diffcult to please everyone and you have to accept the work the Mods do without bitching. 

That's bull.  I'd much rather people speak up and try to get things changed, as the alternative is that good, contributing members quit coming around and the site gets overrun by clowns pimping their OMG R4R3 eBay auctions and begging for help finding the last five or six games they absolutely must have for their four-month-old, nearly complete, US collection.

There is a "report" button on every post.  Use it.

You're kidding, right?  The point being made here is that nothing happens when a post is reported.

[Obfuscate]

I wonder if Aaron would be willing to let the site go to someone else.   Hell, I'd buy it if it wasn't too high on the pay scale.

I would guess even if Aaron isn't involved in the site much these days he'd want to keep it since he put so many years into it.

[Drakon]

I got bored of regalsin's posts, you can ban him.

[Joe Redifer]

I'd have to be notified in the extreme cases and I don't recall getting any notices.  If someone did report a post/thread and I didn't respond, then I apologize for that.  I get a lot of reports from Sega-16 which I ignore since someone else does the babysitting and I may have just ignored the one from PCEFX out of habit.  But still, we should have a more active mod.  Who would be willing to do this?  Like I said, I can talk to Aaron about it and he can do the promotion.

Regal Sin hasn't done anything ban-worthy yet.  He's just creepy.

[Sadler]

Just wanted to thank you Joe; I was probably too harsh in my post. I understand what it's like to be in that position and it's most certainly a thankless job. I appreciate what you do here and more so, I appreciate that you are willing to recognize your limitations and do what you can to fix the situation.

My votes for mods remain the same. Are SoZ and NecroPhile brutally harsh at times? Yep. I've gotten into it at some level with both of them. I do think they are both mature enough to see the difference between a stupid forum argument and something ban-worthy. I still think DragonmasterDan and BlackTiger would be good mods as well. Ideally I'd like to see any and all of them who are willing to take the position as mods. I think they'd balance each other out well. If they aren't willing I can think of many others that I think would do a great job (Bernie, I'm looking at you ).

[Emerald Rocker]

If you really stop and think about it, then you'll realize that I'm obviously the only suitable candidate for moderator.