Are there any Dragons Lair-like games for the PCE?

Edmond Dantes · 02/26/2013, 10:45 PM

Today I played "Revenge of the Ninja" for the Sega CD, and I liked it. Lately I've had eye trouble which makes it hard to play shooters and platformers, but I found this type of game to be really fun and just my speed for the current moment.

So are there any games in this lieu for the Turbo CD? (I don't care what region the games come from)

Arkhan Asylum · 02/26/2013, 11:18 PM

Not especially. You might like Beyond Shadowgate or Loom perhaps?

ElSeven · 02/26/2013, 11:43 PM

hmm idt there are any FMV/quick time event type games like time gal / road avenger / space ace on pc engine.

SignOfZeta · 02/27/2013, 12:15 AM

Sadly, no.

CrackTiger · 02/27/2013, 07:27 AM

The Gunbuster games for slow-time/fmv'ish.

JoshTurboTrollX · 02/27/2013, 10:30 AM

It Came from the Desert, Sherlock Holmes perhaps?

I'm unsure if any quicktime/FMV games came to NEC's gaming universe until the next generation of PCFX with Battle Heat.

You own a PCFX?

PukeSter · 02/27/2013, 03:32 PM

China Warrior is not a FMV game, but it requires a lot of memorization and timing. It does have flashy graphics and repetitive but fun gameplay like an FMV game. Cool game.

CrackTiger · 02/27/2013, 04:35 PM

Isn't Dragon Ball Z more or less a quick time game?

BigusSchmuck · 02/27/2013, 05:06 PM

Quote from: guest on 02/27/2013, 04:35 PMIsn't Dragon Ball Z more or less a quick time game?

Not really, think tug of war on steroids and you'll get the idea. I was going to suggest 3x3 eyes if you like digital comic book games and it definitely has some of the best fmv for the system.

SignOfZeta · 02/27/2013, 05:27 PM

Guys...have you ever played Dragon's Lair? The answer to his question is "no", period. None of this other stuff is even close.

Edmond Dantes · 02/27/2013, 11:48 PM

Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 02/27/2013, 10:30 AMYou own a PCFX?

Nope.

I might check out the Digital Comics anyway even though they're not the kind of game I'm looking for.

Arkhan Asylum · 02/27/2013, 11:52 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 02/27/2013, 05:27 PMGuys...have you ever played Dragon's Lair? The answer to his question is "no", period. None of this other stuff is even close.

Yeah, that's why I suggested odd interactive games.

You aren't going to find any cartoon+press a button sometimes games.

_Paul · 02/28/2013, 12:09 PM

Quote from: Edmond Dantes on 02/27/2013, 11:48 PM
Quote from: JoshTurboTrollX-16 on 02/27/2013, 10:30 AMYou own a PCFX?
Nope.

I might check out the Digital Comics anyway even though they're not the kind of game I'm looking for.

Ranma 1/2 is probably the best to start with, then The Secret of Blue Water perhaps.

BlueBMW · 02/28/2013, 01:09 PM

I was trying to think if any of the LDROM2 games were Dragons Lair ish, but i think all of that type are on the sega PAC.

Bernie · 02/28/2013, 02:40 PM

Kinda glad there aren't... Those games seemed so, lacking??

Arkhan Asylum · 02/28/2013, 02:54 PM

Quote from: Bernie on 02/28/2013, 02:40 PMKinda glad there aren't... Those games seemed so, lacking??

They're pure memorization and quarter-eating.

Time Gal is my favorite one, with Space Ace and Dragons Lair right behind them.

Digital Comics are fun but if you can't read them there's not much point to playing them. You're just staring at pictures and clicking randomly til the picture changes.

_Paul · 02/28/2013, 03:34 PM

Quote from: Psycho Arkhan on 02/28/2013, 02:54 PM
Quote from: Bernie on 02/28/2013, 02:40 PMKinda glad there aren't... Those games seemed so, lacking??
They're pure memorization and quarter-eating.

Time Gal is my favorite one, with Space Ace and Dragons Lair right behind them.

Digital Comics are fun but if you can't read them there's not much point to playing them. You're just staring at pictures and clicking randomly til the picture changes.

Ranma is pretty funny even if you can't understand it.

Tatsujin · 02/28/2013, 05:24 PM

Snatcher cdromantic has kinda qte'ish shooting sequences, lol

Psycho Punch · 02/28/2013, 10:09 PM

Quote from: Bernie on 02/28/2013, 02:40 PMKinda glad there aren't... Those games seemed so, lacking??

Lacking? It's because you never KICKED SOME BUTT, fire it up on an emulator because IT'S PARTY TIME, LET'S EAT THEIR LUNCH!

Honestly it's better to not have those kind of games on the PCE, they're mostly shitty (specially in the FMV quality!) and I can see them being grainy as hell on the PCE SUROM

SignOfZeta · 03/01/2013, 03:50 AM

If you actually play one of these things long enough to get good at it there is a special feeling of "ass kick" that is different from any other game. Road Prosecutor is one of the very few LD games where the gameplay makes consistent sense, but fun can be had with Dragon's Lair, Space Ace, etc.

It takes so long and so much money to get good at it in the arcade that the LD player is likely to break first. I didn't master Space Ace until the CDi version came out. I didn't get good at Dragon's Lair until the DSi version was released a couple of years ago.

A PCE version could look semi-decent, but I'm not sure how bad the lag would be for loading death scenes. This was a problem with early CDROM versions of LD games. Maybe the Arcade Card could cache them while the main scene streams?

A friend of mine brought over a SNES flash cart that had a special chipset in it for which a SNES version of Road Prosecutor had been made. It was shockingly decent. It would be cool to see a PCE version of something like this.

Tatsujin · 03/01/2013, 03:55 AM

I so liked the QTEs in shen mue. they gave an amazing "ass kick" feeling when you were good at 'em..lol.

I guess HuVideo could have been used for that kind of games on the Turbo, and would have looked even better than the MCD stuff. Altough I do not know how much of storage a HuVideo of like 30min would use. Also not sure about the lag for the death scenes using HuVideo.

Edmond Dantes · 03/01/2013, 04:43 AM

I like these games because they're quick, simple fun that don't really feel as daunting or like they're much of a commitment. For that reason, they're a nice break from genres such as shmups or fighters (my recent addictions) which demand all sorts of skills from the player and basically don't allow you to make mistakes.

I also sometimes can't tell whether I want to play games or watch cartoons, so these give me the best of both worlds.

CrackTiger · 03/01/2013, 10:44 AM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 03/01/2013, 03:50 AMIf you actually play one of these things long enough to get good at it there is a special feeling of "ass kick" that is different from any other game. Road Prosecutor is one of the very few LD games where the gameplay makes consistent sense, but fun can be had with Dragon's Lair, Space Ace, etc.

It takes so long and so much money to get good at it in the arcade that the LD player is likely to break first. I didn't master Space Ace until the CDi version came out. I didn't get good at Dragon's Lair until the DSi version was released a couple of years ago.

A PCE version could look semi-decent, but I'm not sure how bad the lag would be for loading death scenes. This was a problem with early CDROM versions of LD games. Maybe the Arcade Card could cache them while the main scene streams?

A friend of mine brought over a SNES flash cart that had a special chipset in it for which a SNES version of Road Prosecutor had been made. It was shockingly decent. It would be cool to see a PCE version of something like this.

I think that Sega-CD games can't stream any better than PCE CD games because the bottleneck was the transfer rate from the CD, not the space to run the streaming video from. So the Sega-CD versions of these types of games should be possible on PCE, likely with improved color. The Arcade Card should be able to store quite a bit for any death scenes. Worst case scenario, the game might have to pause once or twice as though you're entering a new stage, in order to reload new death scenes. But if it was done after something like entering a doorway in Dragon's Lair, it wouldn't feel too out of place.

spenoza · 03/01/2013, 04:43 PM

Quote from: CrackTiger on 03/01/2013, 10:44 AMI think that Sega-CD games can't stream any better than PCE CD games because the bottleneck was the transfer rate from the CD, not the space to run the streaming video from. So the Sega-CD versions of these types of games should be possible on PCE, likely with improved color. The Arcade Card should be able to store quite a bit for any death scenes. Worst case scenario, the game might have to pause once or twice as though you're entering a new stage, in order to reload new death scenes. But if it was done after something like entering a doorway in Dragon's Lair, it wouldn't feel too out of place.

The CD transfer rate is indeed a problem, and the Sega CD tries to get around it by utilizing an aggressive Cinepak decoding scheme driven by its fast (comparatively) CPU. The 68k is better suited to the kind of math that compression algorithms rely upon than the 6502 architecture, and the one in the SegaCD is pretty darn fast. I'm not sure the PCE could muster enough horsepower to do video on the scale that the Sega CD does. It is clear that the PCE is capable of some forms of video, as evidenced by Sherlock Holmes and the like, but I'm pretty sure Sega's hardware improvements in the CD unit give it a not insignificant advantage here.

Tatsujin · 03/01/2013, 08:34 PM

Quote from: guest on 03/01/2013, 04:43 PMI'm not sure the PCE could muster enough horsepower to do video on the scale that the Sega CD does. It is clear that the PCE is capable of some forms of video, as evidenced by Sherlock Holmes and the like, but I'm pretty sure Sega's hardware improvements in the CD unit give it a not insignificant advantage here.

Again, what about HuVideo? The few (officially two) I have seen so far, blew away anything I have seen on the MCD.

spenoza · 03/01/2013, 09:05 PM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 03/01/2013, 08:34 PM
Quote from: guest on 03/01/2013, 04:43 PMI'm not sure the PCE could muster enough horsepower to do video on the scale that the Sega CD does. It is clear that the PCE is capable of some forms of video, as evidenced by Sherlock Holmes and the like, but I'm pretty sure Sega's hardware improvements in the CD unit give it a not insignificant advantage here.
Again, what about HuVideo? The few (officially two) I have seen so far, blew away anything I have seen on the MCD.

I didn't say it wasn't possible, just that I think the Sega CD has a technical advantage when you are talking about traditional FMV delivery. HuVideo is, as I understand it, a rather neat implementation. But you'll notice it was only used twice and there's no Time Gal or Dragon's Lair on PCE SCD/ACD.

Psycho Punch · 03/01/2013, 09:18 PM

Is it possible to create homebrew with HuVideo? I've found an interesting hack where the gulliver boy intro is changed to another video:

"The images are only 16 color frames even though the huvideo frame format is capable of display up to 16 palettes of 16 colors."

Tatsujin · 03/01/2013, 10:07 PM

Yeah, would it be possible for some pce hackers
to crack up a gulliver boy or yuna in pieces and
make a short qte game with at least one death scene
out of it as a demonstration?

TheClash603 · 03/01/2013, 10:47 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 03/01/2013, 03:50 AMIf you actually play one of these things long enough to get good at it there is a special feeling of "ass kick" that is different from any other game. Road Prosecutor is one of the very few LD games where the gameplay makes consistent sense, but fun can be had with Dragon's Lair, Space Ace, etc.

It takes so long and so much money to get good at it in the arcade that the LD player is likely to break first. I didn't master Space Ace until the CDi version came out. I didn't get good at Dragon's Lair until the DSi version was released a couple of years ago.

A PCE version could look semi-decent, but I'm not sure how bad the lag would be for loading death scenes. This was a problem with early CDROM versions of LD games. Maybe the Arcade Card could cache them while the main scene streams?

A friend of mine brought over a SNES flash cart that had a special chipset in it for which a SNES version of Road Prosecutor had been made. It was shockingly decent. It would be cool to see a PCE version of something like this.

I honestly love that they flip the screen in Road Prosecutor. Even though you can't get into a DDR memorization grove with the game, it has greatly enhanced replayability in my mind.

SignOfZeta · 03/02/2013, 02:27 AM

Yeah, there are versions of most FMV games on one platform or another where they reverse the image.

_Paul · 03/06/2013, 04:10 PM

Quote from: Psycho Punch on 03/01/2013, 09:18 PMIs it possible to create homebrew with HuVideo? I've found an interesting hack where the gulliver boy intro is changed to another video:
"The images are only 16 color frames even though the huvideo frame format is capable of display up to 16 palettes of 16 colors."

Damn, I really want to watch Bubblegum Crisis again now.

spenoza · 03/06/2013, 08:36 PM

Bubblegum Crisis is one of my favorite classic anime. Would love to see a proper RPG for that series.

Psycho Punch · 03/06/2013, 09:49 PM

No one has ever tried to do some sort of HuVideo clone for homebrew projects? It is promising but it seems that no one knows how to deal with that stuff

Tatsujin · 03/06/2013, 11:46 PM

If you even are able to deal with that stuff
other than just playback it.
That would be the first question to solve.

Edmond Dantes · 03/07/2013, 12:20 AM

Quote from: guest on 03/06/2013, 08:36 PMBubblegum Crisis is one of my favorite classic anime.

Same here.