Will there ever be a TG16 price crash?

[crazydean]

Lol.

Legal Larry...

As for the prices of everything, I'm just glad there are now alternate ways to play pretty much everything these days. Even if you must have a card for every game, there are even reproductions now. This is really a great age if you like playing retro games. If you must have the original plastic case, well, be glad you don't collect Neo Geo.

[seieienbu]

I think a crash will happen but not universally.  You're never going to see cheap magical chases again; those days are long gone.  People will sit on those rather than take a loss in the thousands. 

That being said?  Keith Courage, TV Sports games, and a few others that are ridiculously common and not particularly good games still routinely sell for over $10 and sometimes up to $20 on ebay.  There's no way these prices can continue for those types of games.

[Gentlegamer]

However, as Tiger mentioned, these prices we're seeing can't be put on simple supply and demand. These fucks acctually want to spend money, brag about it, and seem to be convinced that every time a game changes hands it should increase in price. That is a fad, and it will die, and it's death will be the majority of the crash. Once the interest rate on their credit cards starts to overtake the flipper bonus made when selling it..there's no money left in the fad!

These are all decades out trends in talking here, of course. So anyone who wants to power collect a full library in nine months...yeah, for him there will "never" be a crash because that's how he collects. He just devours shit he can't even use and then dumps it. Five years from now he'll be working full time at his dad's dealership and won't even remember what a Turbo is.

Also going into debt for video games is doing it wrong. Call me crazy but housing, transportation (be it a vehicle or a bike or w/e) and say food (if you are in between jobs or something) are things worth going into debt over. If you can't afford a freaking video game, don't buy it. Just emulate it instead, or if you are a real legal larry, just don't play it.

That's the problem, collectards over spending and resellers that enable them (some of whom are the "smart" collectards who fund their collections by flipping, thinking they are market experts, when all they are doing is catering collectards to mash BIN for inflated prices, those inflated prices giving the matter "prestige" or collectard-cred).

[jonebone]

I buy and sell a lot, and have done so for about 8+ years now.  From $10-$15 carts to $1000+ sealed across many platforms.  And believe me, when you talk about people buying things on credit, you are talking about a very miniscule amount of collectors.  I get more people saying "Hey can I pay on payday" (maybe ~5-10% of people I've dealt with) than people just financing it on credit.  So all of those assumptions regarding the crash are flat out wrong.

What you do get are life priorities that take place over collecting.  You get married, want to fund a honeymoon.  You have kids, need to convert game room to nursery.  You buy a house / sports car and need  a down payment etc.

Or, as we age, your kid goes to college and you see a $20K+ a year bill coming your way.  Or you have to pay for funerals of loved ones.  Etc.  But those are longer term impacts that shouldn't even be addressed now.

Since the overwhelming majority of this stuff is NOT bought on credit, you won't see an tremendous collapse of people selling stuff for pennies on the dollar.  Besides, not sure if you noticed, but if you list a bunch of like items at 0.99 auctions (which firesellers would have to do), they tend to do well and come damn near (or beat) BIN prices anyway.

I do think prices will taper off at some point as our generation ages and collecting shifts behind other life priorities, but expecting a full on collapse is wishful thinking.

[NecroPhile]

It doesn't really matter whether they buy on credit or spend every dime they have buying games, saving nothing for a rainy day.  The result is the same: eventually they are forced to sell to pay for something else.

[Gentlegamer]

It doesn't really matter whether they buy on credit or spend every dime they have buying games, saving nothing for a rainy day.  The result is the same: eventually they are forced to sell to pay for something else.

Which means they couldn't afford and overspent to begin with.

[jonebone]

It doesn't really matter whether they buy on credit or spend every dime they have buying games, saving nothing for a rainy day.  The result is the same: eventually they are forced to sell to pay for something else.

Which means they couldn't afford and overspent to begin with.

Once again, those are the extremely tiny minority, the vast majority doesn't do that.  The amount of people who need to sell are typically the ones who got in recently, not the veterans who have been collecting a long time.

Speaking of, there was a guy who was selling a full TG16 CIB set on AtariAge a month ago.  I got in on it pretty quick and even I came away with only 3 games.  Simply because the guy has owned them for a decade (or longer), was only willing to sell at high end prices.  No discounts on multiple purchases and just a take it or leave it attitude.  He doesn't care if he takes them to the grave and he doesn't need the money.  Many more of the big collectors are similar to this line of thinking rather than the "need money gotta sell attitude!"

Just FYI but dude was taking a new job in April and probably won't take anymore orders for a long time, and most of the big titles already went.

http://atariage.com/forums/topic/263358-interest-check-turbografx-boxed-and-complete-games/

[Gentlegamer]

Never seen you post at AtariAge, not surprising you just lurk/leech the marketplace forum.

[jonebone]

Never seen you post at AtariAge, not surprising you just lurk/leech the marketplace forum.

I have friends that keep an eye out for me   I do not browse AA and never will.  Browsing here is bad enough

[LostFlunky]

Never seen you post at AtariAge, not surprising you just lurk/leech the marketplace forum.

[NecroPhile]

A forum leech piece of shit?  You don't say. 

[Gentlegamer]

Never seen you post at AtariAge, not surprising you just lurk/leech the marketplace forum.

I have friends that keep an eye out for me   I do not browse AA and never will.  Browsing here is bad enough

Necro should help you out so don't have to anymore.

[sirhcman]

This thread is about 15 years too late, the crash already happened.

[spenoza]

Why the hostility? Did I miss something? Did jonebone do anything other than have a contrary opinion?

[sirhcman]

Why the hostility? Did I miss something? Did jonebone do anything other than have a contrary opinion?

He flips product on ebay for prices that many here don't agree with

[spenoza]

Why the hostility? Did I miss something? Did jonebone do anything other than have a contrary opinion?

He flips product on ebay for prices that many here don't agree with

Sounds like a keen businessman. That said, I will likely not be buying from him.

[CrackTiger]

The vast majority of threads/videos/etc are full of people talking about how "painful" purchases are or will be, how they can't afford something coming up, but hope to find a way to pay, etc.

Plus, how many people are regularly paying top market for lots of goods every month, without making $100 - 200k?

I know that the majority is now flippers whose liquid collections are also their business. But outside of that, you have to be out of touch with the reality of how the average North American lives to think that most of it is bought with disposable income.


http://nintendoage.com/forum/messageview.cfm?catid=10&threadid=106567

[NoSexGex]

[esteban]

This is in reference to the 2600 cart...Chuck the Chasewagon? Whatever it was called....it was a rare 2500 cart?

Or am it totally off?

[NoSexGex]

This is in reference to the 2600 cart...Chuck the Chasewagon? Whatever it was called....it was a rare 2500 cart?

Or am it totally off?

Nah i'm just dinking around. Everyones talking about economics/precedented market trends, and i'm just sitting over here on photoshop haha

[Mathius]

I've stated this before but, well, here goes...Part of the fun of this hobby is researching a single game or two, buying it, savoring it, and putting it away until the urge strikes to enjoy it again. Many of those who buy collections in a few transactions or less get much less out of the experience in comparison. These guys will burn out eventually and move on leaving a charred wasteland behind...but hey, at least they'll be gone so we can rebuild.

[SignOfZeta]

I buy and sell a lot, and have done so for about 8+ years now.  From $10-$15 carts to $1000+ sealed across many platforms.  And believe me, when you talk about people buying things on credit, you are talking about a very miniscule amount of collectors.  I get more people saying "Hey can I pay on payday" (maybe ~5-10% of people I've dealt with) than people just financing it on credit.  So all of those assumptions regarding the crash are flat out wrong.

What you do get are life priorities that take place over collecting.  You get married, want to fund a honeymoon.  You have kids, need to convert game room to nursery.  You buy a house / sports car and need  a down payment etc.

Or, as we age, your kid goes to college and you see a $20K+ a year bill coming your way.  Or you have to pay for funerals of loved ones.  Etc.  But those are longer term impacts that shouldn't even be addressed now.

Since the overwhelming majority of this stuff is NOT bought on credit, you won't see an tremendous collapse of people selling stuff for pennies on the dollar.  Besides, not sure if you noticed, but if you list a bunch of like items at 0.99 auctions (which firesellers would have to do), they tend to do well and come damn near (or beat) BIN prices anyway.

I do think prices will taper off at some point as our generation ages and collecting shifts behind other life priorities, but expecting a full on collapse is wishful thinking.

Are you administrating their PayPal accounts? How the hell do you know if they using credit? This is a serious question because you refer to it as a certainty and I don't see any way you would know at all. Do you have a storefront? You're making some pretty positive claims here.

[CrackTiger]

I buy and sell a lot, and have done so for about 8+ years now.  From $10-$15 carts to $1000+ sealed across many platforms.  And believe me, when you talk about people buying things on credit, you are talking about a very miniscule amount of collectors.  I get more people saying "Hey can I pay on payday" (maybe ~5-10% of people I've dealt with) than people just financing it on credit.  So all of those assumptions regarding the crash are flat out wrong.

What you do get are life priorities that take place over collecting.  You get married, want to fund a honeymoon.  You have kids, need to convert game room to nursery.  You buy a house / sports car and need  a down payment etc.

Or, as we age, your kid goes to college and you see a $20K+ a year bill coming your way.  Or you have to pay for funerals of loved ones.  Etc.  But those are longer term impacts that shouldn't even be addressed now.

Since the overwhelming majority of this stuff is NOT bought on credit, you won't see an tremendous collapse of people selling stuff for pennies on the dollar.  Besides, not sure if you noticed, but if you list a bunch of like items at 0.99 auctions (which firesellers would have to do), they tend to do well and come damn near (or beat) BIN prices anyway.

I do think prices will taper off at some point as our generation ages and collecting shifts behind other life priorities, but expecting a full on collapse is wishful thinking.

Are you administrating their PayPal accounts? How the hell do you know if they using credit? This is a serious question because you refer to it as a certainty and I don't see any way you would know at all. Do you have a storefront? You're making some pretty positive claims here.

In "collector" dominant circles like nintendoage, everyone bragging about being the biggest baller actually believes each other's ego-inflating/insecurity-masking stories. They're all rich and love to post the nerd gamer equivalent of pics of hundred dollar bills and gold jewellery and guns and stupid crap.

This is basically the mentality of omega level collectards:




They always have the same reaction when that stuff doesn't fly here: "you're all just jealous because you can't afford to hang with us true collectors!".


People like Goldenpp who post a short list of games they're looking for and then pay $3600 at once for a handful of them are not the vast majority of regular North Americans if it's not paid for by going into debt. He even admitted to not being familiar with Turbo games, yet buying ones he hasn't played based only on whims and videos.

I like how he spent $3,600 in one pop and still needs most of the rares.
#collectardfails

Goldenpp offered some insight into the mindset of those driving the market irrationally:

When I first began, things were cheaper, sellers were looser and in general it was a lot easier to deal with, it only took about 5 years for me to begin regretting going for complete titles because of the way pricing was jacking up so much, but when you get that far into something, it becomes difficult for some of us to back away and call it quits, even if it takes out a lot more money than expected. However, the urge for me to complete my various system collections comes from the desire to get it over with in the event the cost continue to rise, I do not want even more games to reach a prohibitive point that I can no longer ever afford to purchase them (as many have)


It's true I spend a lot of time collecting which is a lot less time I can use for the playing aspect, but if I spend too much time playing and not buying, suddenly that game I thought was 30 bucks is now 100 bucks, and that creates a lot of issues for me as i'm not a rich guy, this stuff takes a long time for me to save money for.

That is a vicious cycle that you cannot keep up with.

[esteban]

Hmmmmm.... I suddenly get the urge to bathe with my cardboard TG-16 boxes now!

This thread has inspired me to evolve into a truly better human being.

Self-actuated God of Game.

I am no longer Human Dog.

Peace be with you, comrades.

Amen.

[SignOfZeta]

I don't know anything about guns or body hair really but those aren't very impressive guitars. Not worth photographing yourself in your underwear for. I wonder if he wants to borrow my J-185 for a front shoot.

[GoldenWheels]

Never seen you post at AtariAge, not surprising you just lurk/leech the marketplace forum.

I have friends that keep an eye out for me   I do not browse AA and never will.  Browsing here is bad enough

I didn't realize there was a creature below the leech. The more you know.

[Strider77]

Friday at 3pm....    the bubble pops. Set your alarm clocks.

[Winniez]

I'm not really into US Turbografx collecting but I have thought about the retro videogame market/crash in general. The thing is, people find it very easy to justify spending big money on expensive old games. They are not making anymore of them, I play it a lot so I will get my moneys worth, its still a same price as a new PS4 game, I play it and can sell it for the same price, its just an investment etc.

All things considered I find the japanese PC-engine Hucard games suprisingly reasonable priced for most part, especially if you compare them to complete games of the same vintage from SEGA and Nintendo. Especially shooters which tend to hold their value pretty well.

[NoSexGex]

In "collector" dominant circles like nintendoage, everyone bragging about being the biggest baller actually believes each other's ego-inflating/insecurity-masking stories. They're all rich and love to post the nerd gamer equivalent of pics of hundred dollar bills and gold jewellery and guns and stupid crap.

This is basically the mentality of omega level collectards:

They're socially validating each other <3 It's the people that do this the most who have the most phyc issues. Maybe mommy was too busy at her bookclub, daddy didn't come to those baseball games. There's something that makes these people CRY out for attention. Like I see people make "mail call posts" all the time. Showing off their little samson or something that they paid TOP DOLLA for. There's nothing special about this, they might as well post about how they're getting their roof redone or getting bodywork done on their BMW. It's just as "impressive".

[Mathius]

This is why I quit posting my purchases on FB. Trying to set a good example I guess. Though here is a different story since I know most of you peeps, many for almost a decade. I haven't posted in years though since my accident. Plus I'm lazy lol.

[roflmao]

I am ashamed to admit I have 3 fullsets of NA tg16.  One sealed (keeping), one cic (keeping for playing), and one cib (selling).

Over the next few weeks I will be selling these in the DoxPhile chat. I am proud to offer these to true gamers at bro prices. Fuck eBay and fb... I love you guys and am happy to spread the joy.

Enter me in this raffle.

[NoSexGex]

One sealed (keeping), one cic (keeping for playing), and one cib (selling).

Exactly how a Star Wars action figure collector sounds like

[StarDust4Ever]

Enter me in this raffle.

Most game raffles are a scam, and the few that are legit are illegal in most jurisdictions unless the proceeds go to a non-profit organization.

[NoSexGex]

Most game raffles are a scam, and the few that are legit are illegal in most jurisdictions unless the proceeds go to a non-profit organization.

+1 for StarDust in the next raffle

[Mathius]

I am ashamed to admit I have 3 fullsets of NA tg16.  One sealed (keeping), one cic (keeping for playing), and one cib (selling).

Over the next few weeks I will be selling these in the DoxPhile chat. I am proud to offer these to true gamers at bro prices. Fuck eBay and fb... I love you guys and am happy to spread the joy.

Enter me in this raffle.

I also enter Rolfmao into this raffle.

[BigusSchmuck]

*Looks at thread date* Jesus, are we still debating this? As I have stated in the past (others as well), if emulation hasn't killed it nothing will.

[780racer]

I am ashamed to admit I have 3 fullsets of NA tg16.  One sealed (keeping), one cic (keeping for playing), and one cib (selling).

Over the next few weeks I will be selling these in the DoxPhile chat. I am proud to offer these to true gamers at bro prices. Fuck eBay and fb... I love you guys and am happy to spread the joy.

Fuck, I missed the illegal raffle and lost all bro priced turbob

[Gentlegamer]

I buy and sell a lot, and have done so for about 8+ years now.  From $10-$15 carts to $1000+ sealed across many platforms.  And believe me, when you talk about people buying things on credit, you are talking about a very miniscule amount of collectors.  I get more people saying "Hey can I pay on payday" (maybe ~5-10% of people I've dealt with) than people just financing it on credit.  So all of those assumptions regarding the crash are flat out wrong.

What you do get are life priorities that take place over collecting.  You get married, want to fund a honeymoon.  You have kids, need to convert game room to nursery.  You buy a house / sports car and need  a down payment etc.

Or, as we age, your kid goes to college and you see a $20K+ a year bill coming your way.  Or you have to pay for funerals of loved ones.  Etc.  But those are longer term impacts that shouldn't even be addressed now.

Since the overwhelming majority of this stuff is NOT bought on credit, you won't see an tremendous collapse of people selling stuff for pennies on the dollar.  Besides, not sure if you noticed, but if you list a bunch of like items at 0.99 auctions (which firesellers would have to do), they tend to do well and come damn near (or beat) BIN prices anyway.

I do think prices will taper off at some point as our generation ages and collecting shifts behind other life priorities, but expecting a full on collapse is wishful thinking.

Are you administrating their PayPal accounts? How the hell do you know if they using credit? This is a serious question because you refer to it as a certainty and I don't see any way you would know at all. Do you have a storefront? You're making some pretty positive claims here.

In "collector" dominant circles like nintendoage, everyone bragging about being the biggest baller actually believes each other's ego-inflating/insecurity-masking stories. They're all rich and love to post the nerd gamer equivalent of pics of hundred dollar bills and gold jewellery and guns and stupid crap.

This is basically the mentality of omega level collectards:



They always have the same reaction when that stuff doesn't fly here: "you're all just jealous because you can't afford to hang with us true collectors!".


People like Goldenpp who post a short list of games they're looking for and then pay $3600 at once for a handful of them are not the vast majority of regular North Americans if it's not paid for by going into debt. He even admitted to not being familiar with Turbo games, yet buying ones he hasn't played based only on whims and videos.

I like how he spent $3,600 in one pop and still needs most of the rares.
#collectardfails

Goldenpp offered some insight into the mindset of those driving the market irrationally:

When I first began, things were cheaper, sellers were looser and in general it was a lot easier to deal with, it only took about 5 years for me to begin regretting going for complete titles because of the way pricing was jacking up so much, but when you get that far into something, it becomes difficult for some of us to back away and call it quits, even if it takes out a lot more money than expected. However, the urge for me to complete my various system collections comes from the desire to get it over with in the event the cost continue to rise, I do not want even more games to reach a prohibitive point that I can no longer ever afford to purchase them (as many have)


It's true I spend a lot of time collecting which is a lot less time I can use for the playing aspect, but if I spend too much time playing and not buying, suddenly that game I thought was 30 bucks is now 100 bucks, and that creates a lot of issues for me as i'm not a rich guy, this stuff takes a long time for me to save money for.

That is a vicious cycle that you cannot keep up with.

If there was a like button, I'd break my mouse clicking it for this post.

The great thing about collecting isn't buying the games, it's showing everyone online that I did.

[zetastrike]

I quit posting in haul threads on my other message boards a while ago.  I realized how silly it was to take pictures of my crap, upload them to imgur, and post them on a forum for others to see.  If I buy something, it's to enjoy it.  It's fine to share your experiences and opinions, but I'm not sure what I was trying to accomplish by producing photographic evidence that I bought a Saturn.

[crazydean]

I quit posting in haul threads on my other message boards a while ago.  I realized how silly it was to take pictures of my crap, upload them to imgur, and post them on a forum for others to see.  If I buy something, it's to enjoy it.  It's fine to share your experiences and opinions, but I'm not sure what I was trying to accomplish by producing photographic evidence that I bought a Saturn.

I used to be pretty active on a guitar forum and it's exactly the same. Maybe worse because most of the guitars posted are brand new. Like, anyone could go out and find that exact model in that exact color in stock at their local music store.

[NoSexGex]

Content/context I suppose, I see guys posting about finding $3 PS3 games at a pawn shop, and flipping them to a retro game store for $20 more. I'm always confused why they post something so uninteresting..  But on the other end I see guys posting quality stuff, like finding a TurboDuo at a garage sale for $20. Which is actually cool to see and is way less likely to happen. Anyone can go out and get those dirty pawn shop deals, just like anyone can spend their pay cheque and buy that $6,500 lot of TurboGrafx boxes on eBay.

[geise]

I am ashamed to admit I have 3 fullsets of NA tg16.  One sealed (keeping), one cic (keeping for playing), and one cib (selling).

Over the next few weeks I will be selling these in the DoxPhile chat. I am proud to offer these to true gamers at bro prices. Fuck eBay and fb... I love you guys and am happy to spread the joy.

Enter me in this raffle.

I also enter Rolfmao into this raffle.

I will not enter that raffle.  It's a trap set by Nulltard.

[zetastrike]

There was a guy on Atariage who posted finding a TG-16 and several games at an estate sale for $40.  That's the kind of stuff that's post-worthy.  I'd feel like a doofus if I posted a "Hey look at the cool stuff I bought" that anyone who can use a computer could have acquired.

[StarDust4Ever]

There was a guy on Atariage who posted finding a TG-16 and several games at an estate sale for $40.  That's the kind of stuff that's post-worthy.  I'd feel like a doofus if I posted a "Hey look at the cool stuff I bought" that anyone who can use a computer could have acquired.

More often than not, it's bragging rights. A lot of posts "look what came in the mail today" do not include the bounty paid for it.

[ChuChu Flamingo]

I don't their will be a bubble, more a correction and slow deflation. Kinda like keeping a balloon for a long time. This is due to faggers always wanting to sell stuff for more than they paid and never less, and would rather keep it.

[NoSexGex]

More often than not, it's bragging rights. A lot of posts "look what came in the mail today" do not include the bounty paid for it.

Bandwagon enthusiasts don't know any better about what stuff costs, so to them something like a Bonks Adventure for $50 seems like an accomplishment. They live in a scarcity mindset, that just because it's 25 years old it's hard to find; therefore the price is justified

[Alt-Nintega]

After the new generation of retro gamers dies off to old geezer status, maybe after that prices will go down. Thoughts?

[esteban]

After the new generation of retro gamers dies off to old geezer status, maybe after that prices will go down. Thoughts?

I think the important question is:

When will you die?

Estimate to the nearest month and year.

Thank you.



(I am joking!)


SRSLY, though, I wonder about my own *elevated stress levels* and I wish medical science would stop publishing research findings about the dangers of stress.

Goddamn science.

[TheClash603]

After the new generation of retro gamers dies off to old geezer status, maybe after that prices will go down. Thoughts?

As a younger guy who recently visit Graceland and saw quite a few people in the 30s and 40s that weren't alive to see Elvis perform, I would say things that are popular have legs beyond their original target audience.

The NES Classic is proof of that, guarantee a lot of millennials that weren't alive when the NES was big had to have it.

[StarDust4Ever]

After the new generation of retro gamers dies off to old geezer status, maybe after that prices will go down. Thoughts?

As a younger guy who recently visit Graceland and saw quite a few people in the 30s and 40s that weren't alive to see Elvis perform, I would say things that are popular have legs beyond their original target audience.

The NES Classic is proof of that, guarantee a lot of millennials that weren't alive when the NES was big had to have it.

While I am of the NES generation, I picked up Atari for the first time in 2012.

Janice Joplin and Jimmi Hendrix both died in 1970 of Heroine overdose. I was born in 1981 and found myself a fan of their music. I have all the reisdued Hendrix albums including three posthumus albums, and was spinning Joplin's last album Pearl (not a repressing) on the turntable after I hunted it down online, and rather enjoyed it.

Were the unborn 80's babies really the intended audience when they first pressed this record? "Hey, let's press a million of this record so some kid not even thought of can buy it in 40 years..." Somehow I doubt it. So I don't find it that surprising that new "mellinials" are getting into NES, et al. I put "mellinial" into quotes as I self identify with Generation Y, which have unfortunately been dissolved into Mellinials. If I had to pick one, I definitely relate more to the Xers but am not.

Back on topic, Turbografx is one of those systems you start collecting for after you get into the "branching out" phase of retro collecting, looking for stuff you did not experience bitd or might have missed. For the young retro-collector, everything is new and exciting. Anyone who falls in love with the NES/SNES/Genesis era will discover PC Engine / Turbografx at some point. But since the Turbo sold an order of magnitude fewer units in the US compared to it's competition (and Japan is a much smaller market even if the PCe was wildly more successful there), games will remain high. If there is a video game market crash in the future, Turbo/PCe will be one of the last pillarsto fall, next to Neo Geo.


Since picking up a Satellite radio in 2010, I have continued to discover old music I never knew existed in my younger years. It's no different with younger retro gamers. If they aren't consuming "nostalgia", they are creating it. A record first spun in 1970 sounds no different that spinning it in 2017, aside from minor groove wear which only adds to the vintage feel. A game cart first played in 1977 or 1990 is still the same experience picked up secondhand in the present, if being played for the first time by the new owner.