Turbo Obsessed

[EvilEvoIX]

So adding a "wing" = car goes faster and more stable  ?

Damn it!...I've been going at it all wrong for years.  Your telling me that I've been wasting time & money on coil-over suspension, sway/chassis bars, wheels/tires, etc. for stabilization when I should have just installed a big "wing" instead?

...And to think, I've been wanting to get a supercharger to make my car faster.  Forget the expensive supercharger, I'm getting a big ass "wing" to fly fast!

Downforce = Traction, having traction allows more power to the ground = faster acceleration and not flying off the road during high speed maneuvers.  My car has already had a massive rear wing and zero lift kit so I added suspension and brake upgrades.  A good set of brakes allows you to go faster too, meaning that you can keep your foot on the gas longer as the brakes take less time to slow you down, better breaks = more time on the gas.  I hope you've had a proper alignment with all those suspension upgrades.

[EvilEvoIX]

Whoever said spoilers give power or torque ?  Changing your quote again?  Let's take a look shall we?

People who compare "bits" remind me of those who think a big spoiler helps a car go faster.

They do make cars go faster, and they allow more power to the ground and as you know power is nothing without control.

Is it power or control?  I was hoping you'd latch on to my using terms other than "fast", because I wanted to see if it would help you be aware of how you're changing things up on your side.  Horsepower... power... that will make you go faster.  Control... brakes give you control.  I'm going to get new brakes because they'll help me go faster.

WOW!!! THIS CAR MUST BE FAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT... THAT WING ARE AT LEAST 16-BITS



HHHHNNNNNNNGGGGGHHHHHHH



i came...

All the horsepower in the world is useless without traction  F1 cars are what 1600 pounds and have extreme power so they could spin the wheels in almost any gear.  A Wing puts down-force over the rear wheels, so power + control = traction and of course acceleration.  The proper thing now would be to admit you were wrong, it's easy we all know already.  One last time, you said adding a wing doesn't makes cars faster, they do.  There is no arguing with physics, but you seem to be trying very hard.

[CrackTiger]

Physics... let's talk about friction and drag.  I was just kind of toying with you at first, but man... i see why people give you a hard time now.  Did you used to work as the Iraqi Information Minister?

There is actually a thread somewhere on here with a post of that infamous screen shot of Muhammed Saeed al-Sahaf, captioned with an EvilEvoXI quote.

[EvilEvoIX]

All the horsepower in the world is useless without traction  F1 cars are what 1600 pounds and have extreme power so they could spin the wheels in almost any gear.  A Wing puts down-force over the rear wheels, so power + control = traction and of course acceleration.

Again, completely ignoring the original point/context and grasping for that hint of a straw that represents the one context in which your claims are not 100% retarded.

The proper thing now would be to admit you were wrong, it's easy we all know already.

Who is "we".  All of your personalities? Let's see... there's EvilIX, PedoIX, SegaboiIX, and DerpyIX.  You're right... it is unanimous... all of -you- know I'm wrong.

One last time, you said adding a wing doesn't makes cars faster, they do.  There is no arguing with physics, but you seem to be trying very hard.

Physics... let's talk about friction and drag.  I was just kind of toying with you at first, but man... i see why people give you a hard time now.  Did you used to work as the Iraqi Information Minister?

You just can't let it go.  Let it go bro, put those bags down.  All the name calling, back pedaling, whining, and posting pictures of ricers won't change the fact that wings make cars faster.  Sorry, thanks for playing.  All your anger is adding up to nothing at this point and is getting silly.

[MrFlutterPie]

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[NecroPhile]

If I argued MD superiority I simply nit picked on the slightly larger sprite limit and how much i prefered the M68000 and how I thought that later games (EwJ2) would not look as good on a PCE. 

More than that, dipshit.  We all agree that Earthworm Jim would lose some pizazz in parallax backgrounds, but your argument was that the PCE couldn't handle the sprite animation.  Hilarious.  And don't forget your claims that the PCE choked on SFII compared to "real" 16 bitters, using smaller sprites and running slower, or your adamant belief that the NeoGeo can pull off a perfect mode 7 game like Mario Kart?  Pure dipshittery, my friend.

As for the wing argument: some wings can indeed make some cars faster, and not just in corners either.  Saying that "wings = faster", however, is a gross oversimplification.

[EvilEvoIX]

If I argued MD superiority I simply nit picked on the slightly larger sprite limit and how much i prefered the M68000 and how I thought that later games (EwJ2) would not look as good on a PCE.

More than that, dipshit.  We all agree that Earthworm Jim would lose some pizazz in parallax backgrounds, but your argument was that the PCE couldn't handle the sprite animation.  Hilarious.  And don't forget your claims that the PCE choked on SFII compared to "real" 16 bitters, using smaller sprites and running slower, or your adamant belief that the NeoGeo can pull off a perfect mode 7 game like Mario Kart?  Pure dipshittery, my friend.

As for the wing argument: some wings can indeed make some cars faster, and not just in corners either.  Saying that "wings = faster", however, is a gross oversimplification.

Man oh Man the grudge continues.  You guys really take this seriously.  I see Nulltard still can't admit when he was wrong and he's floundering.  That said I played the MD Version and the PCE Version of SFII back to back and said I preferred the MD version as it had less slowdown, and it does have less slowdown.  Maybe my specific copy is broken but when 2 projectiles get on the screen shit slows WAY down.  No need for name calling, that is not professional.  We also argued that the MD68000 did things better like 3D and yes the SNES did things like Mario Kart better due to it's architecture.  Who here doesn't think F Zero runs and lays great?  Neo Geo could simply use sprites to mimic the look as mentioned before but it wouldn't be the same.

Going back to wings the guy said that wings don't make cars faster, I argued they did, that is all.

No on to the bios

[wildfruit]

Ay my china warrior decided to work again!

[EvilEvoIX]

I said "cars", not dragsters/f1/rocket cars/blah blah... you fucking twat.  You even agreed with me (in the context in which I was clearly speaking- riced out shitty street cars) and it was entertaining for a while to troll you on and on, though i'll admit i don't give a single shit or know anything about cars other than that if I slapped a spoiler on my 4-banger I would not expect to go faster unless getting laughed at can make a car go faster.

And get it right: nobody has a grudge here, lots of people here just don't like ya.  Despite my calling you a fucking twat and all that, I don't necessarily dislike you.  You just remind me of a guy i know who butts into any conversation and tries his damnedest to take control of the topic and position himself as the authority on whatever subject matter is being discussed, no matter how little he knows about said topic.  He's not a bad guy, but when he opens his mouth you can almost hear every eye in the room rolling in unison.

Cars do come with wings, factory installed, see Porsche, Lamborghini, Nisan GTR, Dodge Viper ACR (Which by the way help the fastest lap at the Nuremberg Ring for years based upon that MASSIVE wing on it's production car back, not possible without the wing in fact so that 100% proves my point by itself if you care to ignore everything else ever presented in aerodynamics ever) and my lowly Mitsu Lancer Evo which has a massive wing that eliminates lift at about 60 and creates tremendous downforce as speed increases.  They were installed to increase the speed of the car in every case, not one of them slows the car down.

twat?  Oh did baby boy get caught in a boo boo and him don't know how to say he made an oopsie so him's gotta cry in public?  How about you admit you got it wrong?  How about you admit a wing beyond a shadow of a doubt no matter how much you piss and moan makes a car go FASTER.  Lost of people don't like me  You keeping count?  You speaking for all of them?  Get caught making shit up and you fly off the handle like a wash woman with too much work and  piss an moan?

Just admit you were wrong, no amount of name calling, picture posting, crying, bitching will change that.  What did change was my opinion of you, no idea who you were but baby boy couldn't take a mild correction and flew off the handle, Jesus Christ I hope you don't fly off than handle like that at work, calm down, realize you made an oopsie and someone with a long LONG history in auto racing may have pointed out a misstep, most people would say "OK cool bro, now I know".

[technozombie]

I just want to say that Playstation 3 was 128 bits and Playstation 4 is only 64 bits. PS4 sucks.

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[esadajr]

someone called this phase a "turbogasm". Once you get past it, you know you're really "in love" with the system.

Sent from my Sega Gamegear

[EvilEvoIX]

Sent from my Sega Gamegear

[CrackTiger]

If I argued MD superiority I simply nit picked on the slightly larger sprite limit and how much i prefered the M68000 and how I thought that later games (EwJ2) would not look as good on a PCE. 

More than that, dipshit.  We all agree that Earthworm Jim would lose some pizazz in parallax backgrounds, but your argument was that the PCE couldn't handle the sprite animation.  Hilarious.  And don't forget your claims that the PCE choked on SFII compared to "real" 16 bitters, using smaller sprites and running slower, or your adamant belief that the NeoGeo can pull off a perfect mode 7 game like Mario Kart?  Pure dipshittery, my friend.

As for the wing argument: some wings can indeed make some cars faster, and not just in corners either.  Saying that "wings = faster", however, is a gross oversimplification.

Man oh Man the grudge continues.  You guys really take this seriously.  I see Nulltard still can't admit when he was wrong and he's floundering.  That said I played the MD Version and the PCE Version of SFII back to back and said I preferred the MD version as it had less slowdown, and it does have less slowdown.  Maybe my specific copy is broken but when 2 projectiles get on the screen shit slows WAY down.  No need for name calling, that is not professional.

It was pointed out that everyone else's copies behave the same as all the videos on youtube: the slowdown only exists in your imagination. Tom even sped up the PCE version to beyond Turbo speeds and it doesn't slowdown. Your copies of Altered Beast were also proven to be broken, as you insisted:

Look at fucking Altered Beast?  Why is that shittyness ignored?  Apples to Apples MD Vs. PCE.  Great Animation intro thanks to CD Rom, great voice over, then 8-bit shittyness.  What excuse is there?  Why couldn't the game look as good as the MD?  Look how choppy and darty the animation is?  The music sounds like it's coming from a Halmark Music Card.  And now you tell me Earthworm Jim can come from this?

You're so fanatical to the point that you're literally delusional. Your problem in this state though, is that you don't just paint broad opinions like a typical fanboy, like "only Nintendo's games are legendary!". You continue to make quantifiable statements about things like slowdown, animation, detail, etc, that is so easy to prove unequivocally wrong.

When you were shown with full sprite rips, that the PCE version of Altered Beast has way more animation, plus better shading/color/detail, you simply dismissed image-based proof with "I'm sorry am I supposed to read all that?". So much for "Apples to Apples".

We also argued that the MD68000 did things better like 3D and yes the SNES did things like Mario Kart better due to it's architecture.  Who here doesn't think F Zero runs and lays great?  Neo Geo could simply use sprites to mimic the look as mentioned before but it wouldn't be the same.

What all of the programmers and tech experts agreed upon, is that the Neo Geo is the one console which definitely can't do, nor fake Mode 7.

One of your common delusional arguments is to regularly reference previous discussions, saying that everyone agreed with you. Except that in every single instance you bring up, it's always a discussion in which literally no one agreed with you, you were proven wrong by experts and labeled a troll or your intelligence was questioned.

[NecroPhile]

WWII Nürburgring Trials. 

[Psycho Punch]

WWII Nürburgring Trials. 

hahah glad I'm not the only one who caught that.
Seriously guys go chill outside, get some fresh air. This discussion leads nowhere.

[synbiosfan]

Teh Drama is everywhere I see

[HailingTheThings]

Wah..wah..wahhhhhh. :3

[Tatsujin]

Teh Drama is everywhere I see

whenever EvilEvoIX joins a pce hail discussion, you can bet on your old aunt that the drama is gonna hit in very soon.

[InfraMan]

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[HailingTheThings]

[CrackTiger]

More like Götzendiener.

[HailingTheThings]

Fixed. :3

[Psycho Punch]

April 2014 was the month that will be remembered for the creation of the PCE Family meme

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[EvilEvoIX]

If I argued MD superiority I simply nit picked on the slightly larger sprite limit and how much i prefered the M68000 and how I thought that later games (EwJ2) would not look as good on a PCE.

More than that, dipshit.  We all agree that Earthworm Jim would lose some pizazz in parallax backgrounds, but your argument was that the PCE couldn't handle the sprite animation.  Hilarious.  And don't forget your claims that the PCE choked on SFII compared to "real" 16 bitters, using smaller sprites and running slower, or your adamant belief that the NeoGeo can pull off a perfect mode 7 game like Mario Kart?  Pure dipshittery, my friend.

As for the wing argument: some wings can indeed make some cars faster, and not just in corners either.  Saying that "wings = faster", however, is a gross oversimplification.

Man oh Man the grudge continues.  You guys really take this seriously.  I see Nulltard still can't admit when he was wrong and he's floundering.  That said I played the MD Version and the PCE Version of SFII back to back and said I preferred the MD version as it had less slowdown, and it does have less slowdown.  Maybe my specific copy is broken but when 2 projectiles get on the screen shit slows WAY down.  No need for name calling, that is not professional.

It was pointed out that everyone else's copies behave the same as all the videos on youtube: the slowdown only exists in your imagination. Tom even sped up the PCE version to beyond Turbo speeds and it doesn't slowdown. Your copies of Altered Beast were also proven to be broken, as you insisted:

Look at fucking Altered Beast?  Why is that shittyness ignored?  Apples to Apples MD Vs. PCE.  Great Animation intro thanks to CD Rom, great voice over, then 8-bit shittyness.  What excuse is there?  Why couldn't the game look as good as the MD?  Look how choppy and darty the animation is?  The music sounds like it's coming from a Halmark Music Card.  And now you tell me Earthworm Jim can come from this?

You're so fanatical to the point that you're literally delusional. Your problem in this state though, is that you don't just paint broad opinions like a typical fanboy, like "only Nintendo's games are legendary!". You continue to make quantifiable statements about things like slowdown, animation, detail, etc, that is so easy to prove unequivocally wrong.

When you were shown with full sprite rips, that the PCE version of Altered Beast has way more animation, plus better shading/color/detail, you simply dismissed image-based proof with "I'm sorry am I supposed to read all that?". So much for "Apples to Apples".

We also argued that the MD68000 did things better like 3D and yes the SNES did things like Mario Kart better due to it's architecture.  Who here doesn't think F Zero runs and lays great?  Neo Geo could simply use sprites to mimic the look as mentioned before but it wouldn't be the same.

What all of the programmers and tech experts agreed upon, is that the Neo Geo is the one console which definitely can't do, nor fake Mode 7.

One of your common delusional arguments is to regularly reference previous discussions, saying that everyone agreed with you. Except that in every single instance you bring up, it's always a discussion in which literally no one agreed with you, you were proven wrong by experts and labeled a troll or your intelligence was questioned.

I just don't get the extreme fanaticism, it's almost a cult.  This all stemmed from me making one comment on the hardware of the PCE, correcting a simple post IN THIS THREAD saying that it was superior in every way to other 16 bit consoles, I disagreed and yes even some of you know that.  I know what site this is I know a lot of people get butt hurt easily.  YES I prefer the MD Version of SFII and I feel it plays better than the PCE version with less slow down, sorry, it does.  Also I grew up on the MD version so, I am, you know, BIASED...  But guys act like he PCE is the END all BE all with far superiority, it's just another style in gaming during the generation.  You guys can't have that, you just can't and it' beyond me as to why you think it's relevant to destroy yet another thread over this shit, move on.  And yes the Neo Geo can spin a large sprite on the floor to mimic a mode 7 effect, an it work as well as he SNES Mode 7?  No, is your Butt still Hurt?  Yes....

Delusional?  I feel overall the MD has a better sound chip than the PCE, more channels, better music for sure IMHO.  Can the MD sound like shit, absolutely,  can you prefer the sound of the PCE over the MD, of course.  I prefer the NES sound chip especially concerning any and all things Mega Man, to me it sounds better then anything ever save for MUSHA on the MD. 

I have no idea why you feel the need to bring in old threads, it's like a way you want to keep fighting, it's over dude it ended 20 years ago an in North America the MD won by a land slide.  That's where I grew up and that is what the market dictated to me. 

Animation again, here we go.... Most of the animation added over the MD ports were comparing CD to Carts, it is not even close in terms of storage capacity.  This little fact is constantly getting ignored, no idea why but YES the PCE CD RULES, massive storage for sprites and CD quality music, it must be a miracle it beats a 4-8MB cart, MIRACLE!!!  I again brought up it is only fair to compare carts to carts (Hucards) and you all piped up that the PCE was a CD system to begin with or at least designed as such.  There is no winning (And I know that yet the war rages on) here may was well enter a Catholic Church and preach Muslim religion, I get that why don't you.

Programmer tech experts, right. Just because guys get in line to toot on their sausage doesn't make an expert.  There are some bright fellows here no doubt and I even got one down to admit on the CPU wars thread that the MD68000 was "Somewhat faster".  That's all I was saying,  I pointed out that some say it means it is faster.   Oh no, couldn't have that and the shit flew again.

  Again who cares, there is a whole hierarchy and pecking order on this site and some sort of dick sucking order I don't subscribe to.  What SHOULD be news to you guys is that some people, as silly as it may seem, think that the MD has superior hardware.  Some "Tech experts" believe as well, guess they are all wrong.  I am no expert and most of you are not.  Most of you prefer the PCE, I like it too, that's it.


Again, all this stemmed from me disagreeing that the PCE has superior hardware over all, I even posted that was a silly argument, but you guys still can't let it go.  I swear you guys like drama too much. 

I'm a 35 year old man who likes to yell and scream profanities on the internet especially when I get proven wrong.  I like to type that I am laughing behind a computer to hide my shame.  I like to type twat because even at 35 years old I think this is the best naughty word I can come up with.  I take shit way to seriously as this is my life and I care only what strange men think because obviously there isn't any pussy on this site.

Got it bro, Happy Easter and God Bless.

Teh Drama is everywhere I see

whenever EvilEvoIX joins a pce hail discussion, you can bet on your old aunt that the drama is gonna hit in very soon.

You know what, I'm beginning to think that people don't like me!

[HailingTheThings]

there is a whole hierarchy and pecking order on this site and some sort of dick sucking order I don't subscribe to.

*gets in line*

Got it bro, Happy Easter and God Bless.

No.

[HailingTheThings]

Wow, you read all that, hailing ? Pretty amusing quote you pulled. Looks like you're not the only one with an appetite for meat, eh? Lol... i saw the sheer volume of that wall of text and opted out.

EvilEvoIX:

I apologize. I shouldn't have called you a fucking twat.

I can skim fast style sometimes.

lol meat

[Tatsujin]

You know what, I'm beginning to think that people don't like me!

I wouldn't go that far.

[MotherGunner]

Warpig, you a 25th Wolfhound?

[Arjak]

I thought the wing on a car made it jump higher when it goes off a ramp...unless Final Lap Twin was lying to me...

Seriously, though, all this because someone said the Genesis had better hardware ? You guys can be nuts sometimes...You guys are practically going Jihad on poor EvilEvoIX...

I don't know the backstory behind all of this, but everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if it disagrees with the common feeling on this forum. When people start trying to prove one another wrong over a difference of opinion as if it was a matter of life and death, it just makes them both look bad.

[NecroPhile]

I don't know the backstory behind all of this....

Then kindly shut your yap. 

Evo is a troll, plain and simple.  Go back and read Black Tigers quotes and try to say with a straight face that all Evo has done is say he thinks the Genny is more powerful.

[warpig227]

im glad im not the minority here lol

[EvilEvoIX]

Wow, you read all that, hailing? Pretty amusing quote you pulled. Looks like you're not the only one with an appetite for meat, eh? Lol... i saw the sheer volume of that wall of text and opted out.

EvilEvoIX:

I apologize. I shouldn't have called you a fucking twat.

That's all I care about.  It's just the A-Bomb for a minor inconvenience, not saying you can't call me that but at least build up to it, nobody opens with a cum-shot.  Like I said before I responded to two quotes that ruffled feathers.

One was someone posted that the TG16/PCE was completely superior to the other two "True" ;) 16-Bit machines of the same era which I pointed none are completely superior (Even the Mighty Neo has some chinks in it's armor).  They even agreed with this yet still managed to argue, I was flabbergasted to this tactic and have never seen it before; way beyond my skills as an internet arguer guy.

And your comment on wings and cars which I hoped you learned something.  I just saw the new Koenigsegg Agera R yetserday at the NYAS and my god that wing was huge, no idea why they would put that on a 1.6 Million car yet there you have it with the Swedes....

I thought the wing on a car made it jump higher when it goes off a ramp...unless Final Lap Twin was lying to me...

Seriously, though, all this because someone said the Genesis had better hardware ? You guys can be nuts sometimes...You guys are practically going Jihad on poor EvilEvoIX...

I don't know the backstory behind all of this, but everyone is entitled to an opinion, even if it disagrees with the common feeling on this forum. When people start trying to prove one another wrong over a difference of opinion as if it was a matter of life and death, it just makes them both look bad.

A proper wing can make the car accelerate faster, have a higher top speed, and pull over a G on the Skid pad.  In extreme cases it can make the car pull over 3G's in a corner.  That is all I am saying.  I am thinking that the OP of said wing quote was referring to the "Pep Boy Specials" we see out there that do basically nothing but make people laugh and create a HUGE blind spot.

As far as he Genesis being Superior we all know that blanket statement is 100% false.  But this is a PCE site so bias is expected, to me I feel the MD had better hardware OVER ALL but you have to admit the PCE with a Super CD upgrade is a serious beast, but even correcting a minor niggle in terms of hardware gets a massive cock in your mouth.  Thank you for reading this ENTIRE thread and you see who shot first.

I don't know the backstory behind all of this....

Then kindly shut your yap. 

Evo is a troll, plain and simple.  Go back and read CrackTiger's quotes and try to say with a straight face that all Evo has done is say he thinks the Genny is more powerful.

You see this is what I am talking about, all I have to say is....."The Genny is quite weaker than the PCE as having 16-BITS makes it slower as they are more heavy to move than 8 bits plus Hucards are smaller therefore they allow more Bios to move more grafxissess around the screen".... and they'd love me.  Listen I admit I had some fun, specifically with the "Bios" tirade but you guys kept coming, over and over again, it was far too silly to avoid.

[Tatsujin]

tell me again how the bit count is playing such an important role?

[EvilEvoIX]

tell me again how the bit count is playing such an important role?

Tell me again why people went to 16-32-64 bits and operating systems today are using 32 and 64 bit machines and not 8-Bit?  Hell my old IBM Compatible 386 from the 80's was 32BIT, there must be some reason for a juggernaut like IBM to use that configuration.  As smart as any of us think we are we are not as smart as the folks over at IBM.  I was even able to limp along a version of Doom on that bad boy until I got me a Pentium 60MHZ.   Basically, as most of us know the bit level is how many bits the controller can handle, that's it. 

The PCE's 8-bit CPU is a speed demon and can catch "supposedly" superior 16-bit machines off guard if used properly.  In the PCE's defense shooters tend to make the system superior and the SNES look like a baby toy.  It is obviously able to handle collision detection better without massive slowdown.  Strange how this is but we are basically measuring the amount of work contemporary systems could do at the time.  All three competing can do specific things that others cannot.  The SNES especially with it's constant add-on chips to do hardware tricks vs just raw CPU power.  Even the MD can split it's power along a Z80 to control the music and samples, it's all in the hardware and design.    If I wanted to I could argue that the M68000 in the MD is in fact 32 bit,  it's 32 bit architecture from the late 1970's and it's designation was changed to 16 bits as it's main database bus was just 16 bits wide so 16 bit.

But basically how much information you can move at any given moment and how fast that process can be repeated.  But you want a specific game or graphical style the M68000 can do that the HuC6280A cannot do?  You are not going to get RESQ out of the HuC6280A that's for sure.

[NecroPhile]

Blah, blah, blah.  Trolly McUnderbridge is at it again.

[EvilEvoIX]

Blah, blah, blah.  Trolly McUnderbridge is at it again.

And looks who keeps taking he bait...  Seems to me some people just like to argue.....

[Lochlan]

But basically how much information you can move at any given moment and how fast that process can be repeated.

You really just have no clue, do you?

Please Google these terms to improve your understanding, so you won't sound like such a twat:
Data Bus
Clock Speed
Address Space
Humility

Regards,
An Engineer

[CrackTiger]

But basically how much information you can move at any given moment and how fast that process can be repeated.

You really just have no clue, do you?

Please Google these terms to improve your understanding, so you won't sound like such a twat:
Data Bus
Clock Speed
Address Space
Humility

Regards,
An Engineer

Son of a Programmer > Engineer

[tggodfrey]

At work we nickname people like that IKE.  (I Know Everything)  the funny part is they usually have no idea why.......

[jtucci31]

I'll have to start using IKE over my previous nickname for those kinds of people which was just simply "asshole"

[EvilEvoIX]

But basically how much information you can move at any given moment and how fast that process can be repeated.

You really just have no clue, do you?

Please Google these terms to improve your understanding, so you won't sound like such a twat:
Data Bus
Clock Speed
Address Space
Humility

Regards,
An Engineer

Let's see shall we? 

Clock Speed "The operating speed of a computer or its microprocessor, defined as the rate at which it performs internal operations and expressed in cycles per second"  Hmm, oh you mean how fast the microprocessor executes each instruction?  Oh and the faster the clock, the more instructions the CPU can execute per second, so how much work is DONE within a certain time and fast that work is done.   I could have sworn I just posted that, yet you took offense. 

Moving on....

A Databus may refer to a computer subsystem that allows for the transferring of data from one component to another on a motherboard or system board, or between two computers. This can include transferring data to and from the memory, or from the central processing unit (CPU) to other components. Each one is designed to handle so many bits of data at a time. The amount of data a data bus can handle is called bandwidth.

A typical data bus is 32-bits wide. This means that up to 32 bits of data can travel through a data bus every second. Newer computers are making data buses that can handle 64-bit and even 96-bit data paths. At the same time they are making data buses to handle more bits, they are also making devices that can handle those higher bitrates.  Windows is corrently working on a 128 BIT OS but I already emailed Bill Gates and asked him why he isn't using the vastly superior 8-Bit architecture as obviously he should have known this and is very stupid.


A Typical Bus is 32-bits?  My computer is 64 Bits?  Who needs that shit why isn't it 8-BITS!!!!  Everyone on gods green earth knows that a 8-bit machine included with a 48 Bit bios revision from the Arcade Card Duo indeed outperforms all bit types including today's 64 BIT machines.  Maybe not 128 Bit lemy get back to you.


Address space

Ohhh this one is easy, essential the size of someones home or "Dwelling" is an Address Space.  The American Indians liked to use the term "Adobe" for their "Address Space" and I hope you do too.   

According to U.S. Census reports, the Median and Average Square Feet of Floor Area in New Single-Family Houses here in the United States has been calculated at 2,169 Square Feet.  This is sadly a drop from 2005 of nearly 2,500 as the Financial meltdown caused a lot of people to loose homes, homes in which they programed and loved 8-Bit devices in.  This is probably why people have been using inferior 32 and 64 Bit work stations and may take many year before they upgrade to 8-bit devices once again.  Overall, however, this is a big growth from 1973 where the Average Square foot of an Address Space was just 1500 Square feet so progress is progress I suppose.

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[tggodfrey]

dont worry Nulltard, Evo, DSM, & Honda owners typically know far less than they lead you to believe which is why the claim to know so much around those who know less.  What you typically find is they parrot theory discussed in their favorite import tuner mag or info they read of the internet while swinging from Dave Burschur's nuts.

[EvilEvoIX]

Let's see shall we?  Clock Speed "The operating speed of a computer or its microprocessor, defined as the rate at which it performs internal operations and expressed in cycles per second"  Hmm, oh you mean how fast the microprocessor executes each instruction?  Oh and the faster the clock, the more instructions the CPU can execute per second, so how much work is DONE within a certain time and fast that work is done.   I could have sworn I just posted that, yet you took offense. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megahertz_myth

By that logic, you'd think that an 8-bit CPU @ 7.16 MHz would do less "instructions" than a mighty 16-bit CPU @ 7.61 MHz that had TWICE the bits and 450 MOAR HERTZ, wouldn't you?  Let's look at the TRUEF!

• Turbob
  
  • 8-bit CPU @ 7.16 MHz
  • 1.5 MIPS
• Genepiss
  
  • 16-bit CPU @ 7.61 MHz
  • 0.96 MIPS

Also for reference, I found some nice quotes for ya on this wikishmedia article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoiler_%28automotive%29

The term "spoiler" is often mistakenly used interchangeably with "wing". An automotive wing is a special type of spoiler whose intended design is to generate downforce as air passes around it, not simply disrupt existing airflow patterns

Some spoilers are added to cars primarily for styling purposes and have either little aerodynamic benefit or even make the aerodynamics worse.

So yes, you edumacated me good on wings, but I was talking about the pep boys spoiler thing. So ya can't really bust my chops for the terminology change to "horsepower and torque" since you had changed subjects on me.    Regardless, it lends 0 credence to your BIT supremacy complex (which is why I took your bait to begin with.  I give 0 fucks about cars or spoilers or wings (except for chicken wings, i loves me some of them)).

What I find amusing is that you're now espousing a point of view that each console has its strengths and weaknesses, and nobody disagrees with that.  But what got you brownlisted here was that you would argue the case in favor of the Genesis against the strengths of the Turbob despite evidence that directly contradicted your claims.

Whatever, though.  I don't really care.  Just an observation.

Don't put words in my mouth and invent an new argument, I merely answered a general term on clock speed, you brought it back to the OH so tired yet oh so entertaining which system is bettereror fasterorist besters.  My comment was a simple comment on clock speed and only clock speed.  Get a letter, write out your feelings, and mail it back to 1989 if you wish to carry that tune on mips jesus christ.

As for wings now....

I think you give a lot of fucks about cars with wings, you seem to keep going back to that subject and keep tabs on the people in your town who has them.  You were so confident in your hatred of said wings you maid an improper blanket statement and well I proved you wrong, get over it.

 Brownlisted, by who, you?  Who gives a shit?   There are three people who parrot the same broken record shit to me over and over again like it means something and much less they mean something, you are now the 4th.   I swear all these people think that they have some sort of internet power and authority, you have nothing, you can do nothing but protest and call me names but that's it.

Back to CPU Talk, if you wana do a DIRECT comparison between the two systems as a WHOLE I will be more than happy but it has been done to death, anything stated to give the Mighty MD a point is dismissed and then the comparison between CD games vs Carts comes out and no one has an issue with that.  I know what site this is, I know which way people lean and have a MASSIVE hard-on for.  It' just silly is all it is.

[EvilEvoIX]

dont worry Nulltard, Evo, DSM, & Honda owners typically know far less than they lead you to believe which is why the claim to know so much around those who know less.  What you typically find is they parrot theory discussed in their favorite import tuner mag or info they read of the internet while swinging from Dave Burschur's nuts.

Don't put me in the same category as the Honduh crew.  DSM's are great yet aging platform and my Evo has over 500WHP so it's not the end all be all but it's fast enough.

[tggodfrey]

No your right the Honda owners have actually learned a lot and can hold a competant discussion on engine building and chassis design.  500WHP on an evo is a simple and a turbo upgrade, Fuel injector upgrade and ECU flash w/e85.  Its been done by millions long before you came along chumbly. 

The DSM platform has always been a shit platform.  the 4g63 cannot hold itself together for anything.  less than 5 people have managed to put a DSM into the 8's without having to rebuild the engine every other run. Our own resident chicagoan Yusef Behic hasnt been able to hold a head gasket for more than a couple runs and last I checked he was putting out 900WHP.

[EvilEvoIX]

No your right the Honda owners have actually learned a lot and can hold a competant discussion on engine building and chassis design.  500WHP on an evo is a simple and a turbo upgrade, Fuel injector upgrade and ECU flash w/e85.  Its been done by millions long before you came along chumbly. 

E85?  If I were running that I would be at 600WHP, I'm on 93 octane only son.  I have had 2 Evo's since 2003 so I'm pretty up on the platform.  Rods tend to bend at the 400-450 Pound feet of torque but you obviously knew that.  500WHP RELIABLY on a pump gas car with very quick spool is nothing to sneeze at sir, but yeah any "Tooner" can make 500WHP on E85.

DSM Shit platform?  It may not be the best but it is certainly an over achiever.  Back in the 90's I had a 95 TSI AWD with a FP Green and I would rip up LS1's, they had no idea especially with an AWD launch.  Breaking stuff?  I never did, but you better believe you can shatter a transfer case or strip a gear if you are not careful.  Most people can send a rod right through the block if they get too lean but I kept it simple, Reliability, acceleration, top speed, in that order.

Oh and calling a 4G63 a weak engine, especially when a 1G DSM version has gone 9's at over 140MPH on stock rods and block is just silly but i think you know that, it's an excellent platform and VERY inexpensive, not 80's 5.0 cheap but getting there.

[tggodfrey]

for an EVO thats plenty to sneeze at.  Thats like saying a Supra putting down 800WHP is a lot.......

[EvilEvoIX]

for an EVO thats plenty to sneeze at.  Thats like saying a Supra putting down 800WHP is a lot.......

There's always somebody with more money and more power.  I you have enough you can pick up a mid 2000's Gallardo send it off to underground racing and get 1800WHP.  How long will it last?  Who knows but my god is it fast.

[NecroPhile]

Evos are junk.  Decent mechanicals but everything else about the car belongs in an '82 Tercel.

And no doubt trollevo is still slow as molasses.  There's no replacement for a driver mod.

[tggodfrey]

Evos are junk.  Decent mechanicals but everything else about the car belongs in an '82 Tercel.

And no doubt trollevo is still slow as molasses.  There's no replacement for a driver mod.

Which is why you see them being parted out and junked as much as the DSMs are these days.  I can fit what he knows about engine and chassis building in the corner of my palm and still have room for a ring and pinion.  Probably why he chose an Evo, its easier to blend in with the rest of the nut swingers, parrot what you read of the net and go unnoticed.