Turbo Obsessed

[wildfruit]

My 1.6 focus has 115ps. Zoom zoom. does 60mpg on a good run. Yay!

[EvilEvoIX]

Evos are junk.  Decent mechanicals but everything else about the car belongs in an '82 Tercel.

And no doubt trollevo is still slow as molasses.  There's no replacement for a driver mod.

Now your just hating, no body likes a hater.  The Evo "Surprise" is not a luxury car, it has nice Recaro seats and a kick ass drive train but yes that's it.

Don't put words in my mouth and invent an new argument, I merely answered a general term on clock speed, you brought it back to the OH so tired yet oh so entertaining which system is bettereror fasterorist besters.  My comment was a simple comment on clock speed and only clock speed.  Get a letter, write out your feelings, and mail it back to 1989 if you wish to carry that tune on mips jesus christ.

But you were dead fucking wrong on your assessment of what exactly a clock speed is, that's all I was saying. Not my fault that a perfect case example involved Obey vs Nobey. Didya know that instructions per clock are not 1:1 across architectures? Didya know that your dismissal of facts and accurate information as "whining" only confirm what I (and many others) have been saying about you?

Did you even read what I wrote?  Why are you still bitching?  You are grasping at straws right now and it's embarrassing.  My god the argument keeps changing and I don't even think you know wha you are arguing about.  Go read what I wrote about Address Space that'll clear things up.

Evos are junk.  Decent mechanicals but everything else about the car belongs in an '82 Tercel.

And no doubt trollevo is still slow as molasses.  There's no replacement for a driver mod.

Which is why you see them being parted out and junked as much as the DSMs are these days.  I can fit what he knows about engine and chassis building in the corner of my palm and still have room for a ring and pinion.  Probably why he chose an Evo, its easier to blend in with the rest of the nut swingers, parrot what you read of the net and go unnoticed.

Ah yes the internet commando.  Someone looking to flex his E dick, making shit up and victories in his head.  Claiming to know more based on the fact one guy likes a certain type of car, Sir you are a silly goose and a hater....

[InfraMan]

I know piss-all about cars.

I was very pleased with myself when I managed to change out the headlight on my wife's VW Beetle.

[tggodfrey]

GTO vs. Eclipse

ITs out resident DSM owner!!!!  Must be before he ate dunkin doughnuts out of munchkins.

[NecroPhile]

16 bit                                                                          8bit


Clearly bits matter.

[esteban]

What the fuck?

[wildfruit]

Proving without doubt more bits = better
32 bits of BBC power! (Repton 3 - released as Acorn Archimedes OS in 1988)

[EvilEvoIX]

Don't put words in my mouth and invent an new argument, I merely answered a general term on clock speed, you brought it back to the OH so tired yet oh so entertaining which system is bettereror fasterorist besters.  My comment was a simple comment on clock speed and only clock speed.  Get a letter, write out your feelings, and mail it back to 1989 if you wish to carry that tune on mips jesus christ.

But you were dead fucking wrong on your assessment of what exactly a clock speed is, that's all I was saying. Not my fault that a perfect case example involved Obey vs Nobey. Didya know that instructions per clock are not 1:1 across architectures? Didya know that your dismissal of facts and accurate information as "whining" only confirm what I (and many others) have been saying about you?

Did you even read what I wrote?  Why are you still bitching?  You are grasping at straws right now and it's embarrassing.  My god the argument keeps changing and I don't even think you know wha you are arguing about.  Go read what I wrote about Address Space that'll clear things up.

Yes, i read what you wrote, and you were wrong.  What is embarrassing is that you continue to speak as if you were some kind of authority on the matter when you don't comprehend the basics.

Since you don't know what you said was wrong, let me underline the key parts that reveal your ignorance:

Clock Speed "The operating speed of a computer or its microprocessor, defined as the rate at which it performs internal operations and expressed in cycles per second"  Hmm, oh you mean how fast the microprocessor executes each instruction?  Oh and the faster the clock, the more instructions the CPU can execute per second, so how much work is DONE within a certain time and fast that work is done.   I could have sworn I just posted that, yet you took offense.

Again, duckbater, MHz is Clock Cycles per second, not Instructions per second.  Instructions per clock cycle is something determined by the chips architecture.  The -same- CPU will run more instructions per second at a higher clock rate, but nobody is talking about that.  We're talking about how two CPUs compare.  Are you really so blind from jacking off to Howard the Duck that you can't see that you are, at best, completely out of context and, at worst, woefully ignorant about the subject at hand?

Kicking and scratching still?  I never crowned myself expert of anything, you yourself stated earlier that you hate "Know-It-All's" and that just leads me to believe that you have just had an argument with the mirror.  Like I said before you are an authority of "Nothing" and neither am I.  I do however admit that I take nothing seriously and just enjoy a good conversation with someone who thinks they are an authority, it is silly to say the least.

Clock speed?  All I did was copy and paste, I believe you were so upset and ready to unleash whatever prepackage internet tirade you had prepared the night before on me, so desperate to sound important and put down your fellow man.  I believe that you're the kinda guy who hears a cool line in the movies and steers a conversation to use it as it were your own.  If you enjoy making up arguments and acting them out on the internet have at it.

As for Howard the Duck, I would not beat off to him persay as he is a Male duck so I have to time my cum-shot to precisely 4:14 into the movie for some feathered boobage.  However, when Howard almost bangs Lea Thompson is a good thing to wait for to get some interspecies love.  That said I am DESPERATELY waiting for some interspecies fan art to bridge fantasy to reality.

GTO vs. Eclipse

ITs out resident DSM owner!!!!  Must be before he ate dunkin doughnuts out of munchkins.

Is that the Original Talon from the first TFATF?  That thing is just a NT 420A they couldn't even mock up a fake FMIC for looks.  I still love that Car, at least my 95 TSI AWD it was fun and fast and no one had any idea what it was, they just thought it was some little hatch back but it had over 400WHP on a stock 4G63 so back in the 90's that was moving.

16 bit                                                                          8bit


Clearly bits matter.

This is EXACTLY what I am talking about, you guys are delusional, still not as bad as the guys at Neo-Geo.com but god dammit you are getting there.  My argument pertains to CONTEMPORARY systems and I've repeated over and over again not one of the big three systems has an absolute hardware advantage.  I even expressly pointed out the difference and obvious evolution between a 16 Bit machine from the Late 70's to the PCE's much later 8-bit device and this nerd uses Sapphire, a CD rom game vs a what a 4KB game for the Intellivision?  And I'm delusional? 

Proving without doubt more bits = better
32 bits of BBC power!

I'm not even mad at you.  Your name is strangely homoerotic so PM me any time.

[synbiosfan]

This is EXACTLY what I am talking about, you guys are delusional, still not as bad as the guys at Neo-Geo.com but god dammit you are getting there. 

You need to self reflect and ask why every forum I see you on, you are always arguing with others.

If you're not just a troll, don't you notice that? Is it always everyone else that's wrong and not you?

[EvilEvoIX]

This is EXACTLY what I am talking about, you guys are delusional, still not as bad as the guys at Neo-Geo.com but god dammit you are getting there. 

You need to self reflect and ask why every forum I see you on, you are always arguing with others.

If you're not just a troll, don't you notice that? Is it always everyone else that's wrong and not you?

You need to ask why this thread was hijacked and turned into a war room because I disagreed with a guy who said that the turbo was had superior hardware to all other contemporary "16-Bit" consoles within it's generation.  People are a bit touchy but yes I admit I like to fan the flames a bit but my god man it's not just me, people just like to argue on the internet.  I will try to cool it from here on out just for you. But you must admit that people get their panties in a bunch over Bit Wars and it began at the School lunch table in the 80's and here it exists till this day with men in their late 30's and 40's.  People proclaiming their internet superiority and expert level internet arguer it's just silly is all.  What it has to do with real life is beyond me but very entertaining.

[Tatsujin]

tell me again how the bit count is playing such an important role?

Tell me again why people went to 16-32-64 bits and operating systems today are using 32 and 64 bit machines and not 8-Bit?  Hell my old IBM Compatible 386 from the 80's was 32BIT, there must be some reason for a juggernaut like IBM to use that configuration.  As smart as any of us think we are we are not as smart as the folks over at IBM.  I was even able to limp along a version of Doom on that bad boy until I got me a Pentium 60MHZ.   Basically, as most of us know the bit level is how many bits the controller can handle, that's it. 

that's exactly the point, in the PC biz they went already 32-bit or higher over fucking 2.5 decades ago, and still we have a lot of new 32-bit system sold even today.

why was the PS3 128-bit but the PS4 is again only 64-bit? so that makes the PS4 half the good than the PS3 and equal to the PS2? why did they even bother to make the PS4 then, if they couldn't even rise it up to 256-bit?

why was the jaguar already 64-bit, but absolutely couldn't hold a candle against the PS1 and saturn? but hey wait, the PS4 is also only 64-bit?? so PS4 = Jaguar?

[EvilEvoIX]

tell me again how the bit count is playing such an important role?

Tell me again why people went to 16-32-64 bits and operating systems today are using 32 and 64 bit machines and not 8-Bit?  Hell my old IBM Compatible 386 from the 80's was 32BIT, there must be some reason for a juggernaut like IBM to use that configuration.  As smart as any of us think we are we are not as smart as the folks over at IBM.  I was even able to limp along a version of Doom on that bad boy until I got me a Pentium 60MHZ.   Basically, as most of us know the bit level is how many bits the controller can handle, that's it. 

that's exactly the point, in the PC biz they went already 32-bit or higher over fucking 2.5 decades ago, and still we have a lot of new 32-bit system sold even today.

why was the PS3 128-bit but the PS4 is again only 64-bit? so that makes the PS4 half the good than the PS3 and equal to the PS2? why did they even bother to make the PS4 then, if they couldn't even rise it up to 256-bit?

why was the jaguar already 64-bit, but absolutely couldn't hold a candle against the PS1 and saturn? but hey wait, the PS4 is also only 64-bit?? so PS4 = Jaguar?

You know you gotta speak slower with all this bit talk as I am really heating up my calculator at the moment and I can't quite keep up.  But did you just say that the Intellivision 16-Bit chip is just as powerful as the MD 16-bit chip and the one in the Neo Geo?  I think that Saturn has one too so that's 4 times 16 and carry the 2......  But hey wait if you run two PS4's concurrently it could equal the performance of a PS3 theoretically but I doubt Sony would wany you to do that but if you plug a 32X into an Atari Jaguar you get a pretty stout 96-Bit machine that has zero load times as it's all cart and if you use an Atari Lynx as a controller you get some serious action on the TV, im telling you.

[Tatsujin]

sorry, but you were the sole guy in here that is defending the theory that bits matters, when in fact they absolutely DO NOT!

[EvilEvoIX]

sorry, but you were the sole guy in here that is defending the theory that bits matters, when in fact they absolutely DO NOT!

Not once, not never.  Re read this entire thread, have at it, now if you excuse me I must continue my Email to Bill Gates explaining that even though he is no longer the head of Microsoft he should spear head an agenda to halt all planning and production of a 128 BIT operating system for the new OS and seriously consider an 8-Bit design.  I've learned well here and I carry the good news upward for humanity and all our 8-Bit brethren.  I forgive your accusations of 8-bit herasy and will prove my intentions shortly.

[CrackTiger]

This is EXACTLY what I am talking about, you guys are delusional, still not as bad as the guys at Neo-Geo.com but god dammit you are getting there.  My argument pertains to CONTEMPORARY systems and I've repeated over and over again not one of the big three systems has an absolute hardware advantage.  I even expressly pointed out the difference and obvious evolution between a 16 Bit machine from the Late 70's to the PCE's much later 8-bit device and this nerd uses Sapphire, a CD rom game vs a what a 4KB game for the Intellivision?  And I'm delusional?

Yes, of course you are. As has been pointed out time and time again, so thoroughly that even a delusional person would understand, your delusional to the point that you can't accept the agreed upon fact that you're delusional. You first started all this 'Genesis>PCE-cuz-bits' crap on Sega-16, the Genesis-based site, where everyone(!) disagreed with you and were much harsher on you than anyone here. The fact that Genesis fans found your nonsense to be delusional is enough of a wake-up call to cure even the most delusional person.

The fact that you don't understand the basics of how CD games work, even after experts with experience programming PCE and Genesis software have explained to you simply, proves both your ignorance and how you should not be commenting on the technical abilities if the systems at all.

You continue to tout the potential of CD storage and ignore the fact that most PCE CD games have the same size of in-game content as cart games, only with the handicap of having to use only small portions at once, while cart games are relatively free to access pretty much anything any time. A 6 stage CD2 game is a <3 meg game. A 6 stage Super CD game is a <12 meg game. Factoring the redundant code and assets that have to be reused each time, the actual game sizes are much smaller.

But the fact remains that the PCE was a CD-based system since before day one. The CD combo is standard hardware. The CD-ROM was never an add-on and NEC would not have partnered on it if it was. In the end though, aside from CD sound and a bit of adpcm, it's still simply a delivery method, no different than carts, except for that major handicap.

You always bring up animation as the best measure of the ability/power/16-bit gen-ness of a console. The experts explained how the PCE is better at it than Genesis and SNES and you tell everyone that you alone truly know what is real or not. You cite Genesis games with animation that the PCE can't handle on a technical level, then ignore the PCE examples wich outdo them. Even if you credit extra storage for holding the frames of animation, memory is memory and storage is storage.

The base-PCE hardware is what runs it all and does the highest intensity of in-game animation from that generation, while also pushing extreme action and filling the screen with sprites. All of that while still sacrificing cpu power to run sound, while the Genesis and SNES don't take a hit running sound. It's that powerful. But it doesn't have to shoot for a potential benchmark, realized or not. You set the standard of measure when you named games with the defining level of animation. Once the PCE meets that level of animation, by your own standard it's as good as matters. The fact that it goes much further is superfluous to your standards.

But as you mentioned, you are delusional. Although you will change the rules you have just now set once again... here is an example which uses your own measure (animation from equal sized carts) of power/ability/16-bitted'tude/awesomeness, to prove yourself wrong... and it's the CONTEMPORARY game you always bring up as proof of the opposite :



4Mb 8-bit cart <------- VS -------> 4Mb 16-bit cart









By your own standard, simply count the frames and the PCE is superior. Simple arithmetic. Those of us with common sense, will also appreciate the superior shading, detail and seemingly generation-beyond coloring.


What would a person delusional enough to imagine non-existent slowdown in SFII' say about PCE Altered Beast animation versus Mega Drive?

Look at fucking Altered Beast?  Why is that shittyness ignored?  Apples to Apples MD Vs. PCE.  Great Animation intro thanks to CD Rom, great voice over, then 8-bit shittyness.  What excuse is there?  Why couldn't the game look as good as the MD?  Look how choppy and darty the animation is?

[Ninja16608]

Pretty!! but i like the way the sega side flickers on my laptop when I scroll the page, That's got to be worth its weight in gold.

[EvilEvoIX]

This is EXACTLY what I am talking about, you guys are delusional, still not as bad as the guys at Neo-Geo.com but god dammit you are getting there.  My argument pertains to CONTEMPORARY systems and I've repeated over and over again not one of the big three systems has an absolute hardware advantage.  I even expressly pointed out the difference and obvious evolution between a 16 Bit machine from the Late 70's to the PCE's much later 8-bit device and this nerd uses Sapphire, a CD rom game vs a what a 4KB game for the Intellivision?  And I'm delusional?

Yes, of course you are. As has been pointed out time and time again, so thoroughly that even a delusional person would understand, your delusional to the point that you can't accept the agreed upon fact that you're delusional. You first started all this 'Genesis>PCE-cuz-bits' crap on Sega-16, the Genesis-based site, where everyone(!) disagreed with you and were much harsher on you than anyone here. The fact that Genesis fans found your nonsense to be delusional is enough of a wake-up call to cure even the most delusional person.

The fact that you don't understand the basics of how CD games work, even after experts with experience programming PCE and Genesis software have explained to you simply, proves both your ignorance and how you should not be commenting on the technical abilities if the systems at all.

You continue to tout the potential of CD storage and ignore the fact that most PCE CD games have the same size of in-game content as cart games, only with the handicap of having to use only small portions at once, while cart games are relatively free to access pretty much anything any time. A 6 stage CD2 game is a <3 meg game. A 6 stage Super CD game is a <12 meg game. Factoring the redundant code and assets that have to be reused each time, the actual game sizes are much smaller.

But the fact remains that the PCE was a CD-based system since before day one. The CD combo is standard hardware. The CD-ROM was never an add-on and NEC would not have partnered on it if it was. In the end though, aside from CD sound and a bit of adpcm, it's still simply a delivery method, no different than carts, except for that major handicap.

You always bring up animation as the best measure of the ability/power/16-bit gen-ness of a console. The experts explained how the PCE is better at it than Genesis and SNES and you tell everyone that you alone truly know what is real or not. You cite Genesis games with animation that the PCE can't handle on a technical level, then ignore the PCE examples wich outdo them. Even if you credit extra storage for holding the frames of animation, memory is memory and storage is storage.

The base-PCE hardware is what runs it all and does the highest intensity of in-game animation from that generation, while also pushing extreme action and filling the screen with sprites. All of that while still sacrificing cpu power to run sound, while the Genesis and SNES don't take a hit running sound. It's that powerful. But it doesn't have to shoot for a potential benchmark, realized or not. You set the standard of measure when you named games with the defining level of animation. Once the PCE meets that level of animation, by your own standard it's as good as matters. The fact that it goes much further is superfluous to your standards.

But as you mentioned, you are delusional. Although you will change the rules you have just now set once again... here is an example which uses your own measure (animation from equal sized carts) of power/ability/16-bitted'tude/awesomeness, to prove yourself wrong... and it's the CONTEMPORARY game you always bring up as proof of the opposite :



4Mb 8-bit cart <------- VS -------> 4Mb 16-bit cart









By your own standard, simply count the frames and the PCE is superior. Simple arithmetic. Those of us with common sense, will also appreciate the superior shading, detail and seemingly generation-beyond coloring.


What would a person delusional enough to imagine non-existent slowdown in SFII' say about PCE Altered Beast animation versus Mega Drive?

Look at fucking Altered Beast?  Why is that shittyness ignored?  Apples to Apples MD Vs. PCE.  Great Animation intro thanks to CD Rom, great voice over, then 8-bit shittyness.  What excuse is there?  Why couldn't the game look as good as the MD?  Look how choppy and darty the animation is?

This again? Did you post sprites again?  Awwww, how cute.  But did you just seriously compare the PCE port of Altered Beast to the Sega Genesis version (A laucnh title for thos take notes).  Lets take a look shall we?

The PCE Hu Card version?

While not a total POS but is lacking in terms of the Sega Genesis which is just a launch title to begin with.  The Music and sound is inferior as you will most certainly agree, the Main Character Sprite has drop-out and flicker because of sprite limitations but you already know that but refuse to admit or acknowledge it.  There is no sampled speech to speak of.  There is no parallax (the Arcade version lacked it so that can be overlook but the Genny had it and we all know the PCE can do multiprocessing if we ask it nicely). 

Now let's look at the Mega Drive version shall we?

So your going to tell me that doesn't look better, at all  It isn't a perfect conversion but your not just going to ignore that the MD has the superior port now?  You can PREFER he PCE port all you want, that is fine but no amount of Turbo Love will make this a fact.

Moving on....

Was the PCE/Turbo a CD system since before day one?  I could have sworn that the TG16 and PCE was just a Huey until you bought the world's first CD attachment for console gamers?  I mean I thought the PCE came out in October 1987 and then the CD system came out over a year later in December 1988?  I could have sworn that pack in game wasn't an Arcade card and Sapphire.  I must be really rusty on my Turbo history but I wasn't sure that the system was a Hucard/CD system on launch date with all the System Bios cards on day one.  I will look into that thank you for pointing that out.  That said and do me a favor and look up the term Revisionist History" will you?

I know you have a hard on for this system, I know dude, and you keep trying to tout its superiority and I commend you for you tireless efforts of re-posting the same propaganda you and you band of merry men who proclaim themselves experts in a land where maybe 5 people give a shit, but on what planet is Res Q going to work out on the PCE?  You know what I mentioned MANY games on the MD and SNES that just wouldn't even come close on the PCE hardware, your excuse?

"Well if it was were the when what but maybe it could but didn't".

I even got you to admit that some of the "Pizazz" would disappear from later 16-Bit gems if they were somehow ported over like say EWJ 2 or The Vector Mans, F-Zero's and Metroid's and how smooth and seamless they ran for their respective systems with amazing music and sound and these games pass you by, don't even register a blip and yet the battle cry of "The PCE can do it better!!".  You got what Sapphire?  How much is that game?  Did you even listen to the sound effects for gun fire in that game?  That doesn't take you out of it?  It's a great shooter and I've played it many times but that is all I hear.  Do you just ignore the 6 channel sound and the "poppy and scratchiness" but why am I arguing?  You won't listen?  You'll post 300 pages of animation from a CD GAME THAT CAN EASILY STORE SO MUCH MORE THAN A CART AND YET YOU DON'T ADMIT THE DIFFERENCE, seriously this cannot be ignored but hey, give this a shot, how about you ignore me, there seems to be a button on this site that allows you to ignore people.

One last TIME, for the love of Christ.  The PCE does PCE games best, the MD does MD games best, the SNES does SNES games.  I prefer MD games, I feel, to me, they play better, they have smoother animation to me.  I know Blazing Lasers won't look as good on the MD, I know Sapphire wouldn't look as good even on the Sega CD due to color limitations.  I get all that, but you are a fan boi, and a fan boi cannot be reasoned with can't be bargained with, can't be swayed or anything.  I atleast admit to the short comings  of the MD and even point out ports that are indeed better on the PCE, you think the system is superior across the board, that is obviously wrong and I argued against that And here you go again.  Just do me a favor and read this thread properly before another prepackaged rant.

[Ninja16608]

Was the PCE/Turbo a CD system since before day one ? I could have sworn that the TG16 and PCE was just a Huey until you bought the world's first CD attachment for console gamers? I mean I thought the PCE came out in October 1987 and then the CD system came out over a year later in December 1988? I could have sworn that pack in game wasn't an Arcade card and Sapphire. I must be really rusty on my Turbo history but I wasn't sure that the system was a Hucard/CD system on launch date with all the System Bios cards on day one. I will look into that thank you for pointing that out. That said and do me a favor and look up the term "Revisionist History" will you?

I know you have a hard on for this system, I know dude, and you keep trying to tout its superiority and I commend you for you tireless efforts of re-posting the same propaganda you and you band of merry men who proclaim themselves experts in a land where maybe 5 people give a shit, but on what planet is Res Q going to work out on the PCE? You know what I mentioned MANY games on the MD and SNES that just wouldn't even come close on the PCE hardware, your excuse?

I think they mean the system was planned to have the CD attachment during the early development phase. Like pencil and paper idea days. It is well documented that this was intended from the start. You don't really believe the huge port on the back was created for just the turbo booster? No it was planned since day one to have the CD attachment.

[Tatsujin]

sorry, but you were the sole guy in here that is defending the theory that bits matters, when in fact they absolutely DO NOT!

not never. 

yeah exactly "not never = all the time".

do you even forget what you wrote uncountable times already?

[EvilEvoIX]

I think they mean the system was planned to have the cd attachment during the early development phase. Like pencil and paper idea days. It is well documented that this was intended from the start. You don't really believe the huge port on the back was created for just the turbo booster? No it was planned since day one to have the cd attachment.

Listen buddy I am sure it was but the nut said the following...

But the fact remains that the PCE was a CD-based system since before day one. The CD combo is standard hardware. The CD-ROM was never an add-on

Never an Add-on?  A CD system since before day one?  Standard Hardware?  That's just delusional.  The MD has a nice expansion slot and I'm sure the CD drive was in the cards early on but I would never call it "Standard" equipment.  You know fully well the SNES had the idea for a CD add-on from day one as the PCE and MD had it by 1990 and 1991 respectively.  But there just seems to be a mountain of evidence of hundreds of PCE Huey's out there that make me think otherwise.  Like I said before, be a fan of the system not this over-the-top shit.

[EvilEvoIX]

sorry, but you were the sole guy in here that is defending the theory that bits matters, when in fact they absolutely DO NOT!

not never. 

yeah exactly "not never = all the time".

do you even forget what you wrote uncountable times already?

Listen I said I was sorry and I have been in a back and forth detailed conversation with Bill Gates and his personal Secretary involving an 8-BIT OS verses the 128BIT OS Microsoft has planned possibly with a later version of 8 certainly with the next version of windows.  I have no idea how he keeps ignoring the fact that bits do not matter at all and that using 8-bits would save his company billions on not having to manufacture the remaining 120 bits within each computer to run that OS.

You can read about it here---->  http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2009/10/microsoft-mulling-128-bit-versions-of-windows-8-windows-9/

But from what I have also learned on this site is that the Intellivision can be considered the first 16-bit game console, as the registers in the microprocessor, where the mathematical logic is processed, are 16 bits wide. That being said if you put a proper CD attachment on that bad boy you could have an almost perfect port of Sonic CD.

[Tatsujin]

also why do you always only compare the very few games the PCE port looks a bit weaker all around than on the genny, when there are many many other ports available that look far superior on the PCE compared to the genny?

[Ninja16608]

Listen buddy I am sure it was but the nut said the following...

Don't jump my on dick dude, I was just trying to quell a fight. I'm a fan of all the systems and each has it's strong points. With that being said why do people fight on the internet ? It's like the special Olympics no one really wins, and your still retarded at the end of the day.

God please don't let me pull out the douchekeg here too!!

Douchekegs for sale, Clean out your forums now for the low low price of $5,000. Now with extra minty (to justify my price)

[EvilEvoIX]

also why do you always only compare the very few games the PCE port looks a bit weaker all around than on the genny, when there are many many other ports available that look far superior on the PCE compared to the genny?

Again sorry, but CrackTiger picked Altered Beast to do the best Apples to Apples comparison for a Huey Vs. Cart and yeah they are comparable but the MD is better.  I think Afterburner looks OUTSTANDING on the PCE, obviously Dynastic Hero Rules and I love the music although some prefer the FM from the MD.  Chiki Chiki boys is a great comparison and yes choose from CD music and FM chip tunes.  Forgotten Worlds for the most part is ABSOLUTELY better on the PCE save for the single player part but not a deal breaker.

[EvilEvoIX]

Listen buddy I am sure it was but the nut said the following...

Don't jump my on dick dude, I was just trying to quell a fight. I'm a fan of all the systems and each has it's strong points. With that being said why do people fight on the internet ? It's like the special Olympics no one really wins, and your still retarded at the end of the day.

God please don't let me pull out the douchekeg here too!!

Douchekegs for sale, Clean out your forums now for the low low price of $5,000. Now with extra minty (to justify my price)

I wasn't going after you and I understood what you said 100%.  I wasn't trying to use "Buddy" in any derogatory manner.  That's the trouble with text some times is that the inflection can be misunderstood.  When one is upset one can read a text in a voice that is disagreeable and they only person that knows how to make one quickly upset is to think of that person that upsets you and place that face on a wall of text.  I was merely pointing out some text I thought was disagreeable from a previous poster, that's all.

[Tatsujin]

But the fact remains that the PCE was a CD-based system since before day one. The CD combo is standard hardware. The CD-ROM was never an add-on

Never an Add-on?  A CD system since before day one?  Standard Hardware?  That's just delusional.  The MD has a nice expansion slot and I'm sure the CD drive was in the cards early on but I would never call it "Standard" equipment.  You know fully well the SNES had the idea for a CD add-on from day one as the PCE and MD had it by 1990 and 1991 respectively.

and now the most important question.. did that CD-Add on for the SNES and Genny any good to the already existing hardware?

1. the snes never got one
2. the genny doesn't look much improved in most of the cases (still the PCE games looking superior), even there is a ton more of hardware inside than the pce ever got. in fact the pce got nothing but the naked cd-rom add-on (and some ADPCM sound buffer).

[Tatsujin]

I think Afterburner looks OUTSTANDING on the PCE, obviously Dynastic Hero Rules and I love the music although some prefer the FM from the MD.  Chiki Chiki boys is a great comparison and yes choose from CD music and FM chip tunes.  Forgotten Worlds for the most part is ABSOLUTELY better on the PCE save for the single player part but not a deal breaker...

..and the list goes on and on and on like that. but you still sit in for the MD and claim it is better? that's just intensely paradoxic. lol.

[EvilEvoIX]

and now the most important question.. did that CD-Add on for the SNES and Genny any good to the already existing hardware?

1. the snes never got one
2. the genny doesn't look much improved in most of the cases (still the PCE games looking superior), even there is a ton more of hardware inside than the pce ever got. in fact the pce got nothing but the naked cd-rom add-on (and some ADPCM sound buffer).

1. The SNES created a monster known as the PS1, Nintendo Fuct up on that one but obviously intended as a CD add-on...So no it did nothing for the system.
2.Not Much Improved?  You ever see games like RESQ, SoulStar, hell even Joe Montana Football has impressive graphics that couldn't be done on a Turbo CD.  Silpheed is quite amazing.  That said to end this argument click on this link HERE ---->

and tell me how good Thunder Hawk looks.  So yeah the Sega CD did a LOT for the system.

The Sega CD is a powerful machine, but it was a victim of the FM Craze and some poor MD ports that just added cinematic scenes and CD music with no graphical upgrades.

Micky Mania REALLY looks good on it as well, take a look

I think Afterburner looks OUTSTANDING on the PCE, obviously Dynastic Hero Rules and I love the music although some prefer the FM from the MD.  Chiki Chiki boys is a great comparison and yes choose from CD music and FM chip tunes.  Forgotten Worlds for the most part is ABSOLUTELY better on the PCE save for the single player part but not a deal breaker...

..and the list goes on and on and on like that. but you still sit in for the MD and claim it is better? that's just intensely paradoxic. lol.

Listen, I am not some unmoving fan boi that won't admit when a game is better.  It's not always hardware that makes the game, if that were True the Atari Jaguar would have been the greatest console ever made and we'd all be playing our Jaguar 1's right now.

That said the PCE did best the MD in some ports of games it isn't paradoxic I simply hand out compliments where they belong.  I could have bashed the shit out of the PCE version of Golden Axe but choose to leave that abortion alone as we both know that the PCE could hae done better and the MD for the most part could have done better in certain games as well where it fell short.  Forgotten Worlds to me was a lazy port.  It does have the Horse Power to get two players blasting sprites simultaneously which is nice and it does have some parallax,  hell even the ZX Spectrum Version of Forgotton Worlds has parallax in it, the PCE version does not and it is only 1 player probably due to sprite constraints and I still say it's a better port.

[tggodfrey]

We have an official Ike of PCFX.  We shall now call him IKEEVOIX,

[esteban]

What the fuck?

What the fuck, fuck?

[geise]

What the fuck?

What the fuck, fuck?

What the fuckin', fuck?

[Tatsujin]

What the fuck?

What the fuck, fuck?

What the fuckin', fuck?

you guys sound like me trying to beat csgx1's shewtie scores.

What the fuck?

What the fuck, fuck?

What the fuckin', fuck?

what the fucked fuckin' fuck, fuck hey!

[NecroPhile]

also why do you always only compare the very few games the PCE port looks a bit weaker all around than on the genny, when there are many many other ports available that look far superior on the PCE compared to the genny?

Because he's a dipshit troll.  How many forums has this clown been laughed off of so far?

I do find it humorous that he keeps bring up Resq, or more specifically it's bonus round.  The Turbob likely couldn't do 'em, but the Genny couldn't really pull 'em off effectively either; they look and play like shit - dirt slow and with unimpressive, small polys.

[esteban]

What the fuck?

What the fuck, fuck?

What the fuckin', fuck?

what the fucked fuckin' fuck, fuck hey!

What the ducking ducked duckin' duckhunt, fuck HEY!

[geise]

What the fuck?

What the fuck, fuck?

What the fuckin', fuck?

what the fucked fuckin' fuck, fuck hey!

What the ducking ducked duckin' duckhunt, fuck YEAH!

[csgx1]

What the fuck?

What the fuck, fuck?

What the fuckin', fuck?

what the fucked fuckin' fuck, fuck hey!

What the ducking ducked duckin' duckhunt, fuck YEAH!

What the ducking ducked duckin' duckhunt, GOOSE!!! & fuckin' Maverick?

[InfraMan]

This thread confuses and frightens me.

[synbiosfan]

This page has made a lot more sense than the last few

[Psycho Punch]

"Why do you not pardon my disobedience, and take away my iniquity? For now shall I lie down in the dust. You will seek me diligently, but I shall not be." Job 7:21.

In short, correct your disobedience... obey the PCE while you still can, before it is too late!
Let's pray for EvoX my brothers.

[roflmao]

I'm not even mad at you.  Your name is strangely homoerotic so PM me any time.

I've been afk for a few day and it seems the forums have had all sorts of fun.  After reading the past few pages, it's clear that "EvilEvoIX" is the "bad guy" here, but this quote made me lol.  Thank you, Evil for continuing to fan the flames when it's obvious there is no hope. This thread has been awesome.

[Psycho Punch]

"Why do you not pardon my disobedience, and take away my iniquity? For now shall I lie down in the dust. You will seek me diligently, but I shall not be." Job 7:21.

In short, correct your disobedience... obey the PCE while you still can, before it is too late!
Let's pray for EvoX my brothers.

See the prayers worked. He won a copy of Altered Beast PCE in a raffle. Now he can see with his own eyes that there is no choppy and darty animations on the game program, and it is in fact quite 16 bit-ish. It's god's work let me tell you.

[Tatsujin]

PCEFX never failures and always delivers.

[wildfruit]

I'm not even mad at you.  Your name is strangely homoerotic so PM me any time.

After careful consideration I would like to decline this generous offer.
I like boobies

[synbiosfan]

Fat guys have boobies

[jelloslug]

Fat guys have boobies

Those are moobies.

[EvilEvoIX]

Because he's a dipshit troll.  How many forums has this clown been laughed off of so far?

I do find it humorous that he keeps bring up Resq, or more specifically it's bonus round.  The Turbob likely couldn't do 'em, but the Genny couldn't really pull 'em off effectively either; they look and play like shit - dirt slow and with unimpressive, small polys.

I keep bringing up RESQ as it's a great example of something one system can do while the other cannot.  I constantly bring up the MD's color deficiency and inferior ports I've come as close to the center of he isle as possible.  That said I agree RESQ it isn't the best of Polygon's but it shows what the M68000 can do and only on hardware and a cart without tehzzzz BIOS!!!11! .  The system now has a quality port of Wolfenstein on it as well.  The system could do some impressive 3D effects and run a 2.5D game like Wolfenstein which is almost a perfect port obviously missing colors.  The music and FX are spot on.

Here's the rom for those folks with an Everdrive.
http://www.4shared.com/rar/lr3GeFn4/wolfdemo_wsound.html

You have to admit that is quite impressive, especially the speed.

I'm not even mad at you.  Your name is strangely homoerotic so PM me any time.

I've been afk for a few day and it seems the forums have had all sorts of fun.  After reading the past few pages, it's clear that "EvilEvoIX" is the "bad guy" here, but this quote made me lol.  Thank you, Evil for continuing to fan the flames when it's obvious there is no hope. This thread has been awesome.

There is always hope, as long as I am here the LOL continues. 

"Why do you not pardon my disobedience, and take away my iniquity? For now shall I lie down in the dust. You will seek me diligently, but I shall not be." Job 7:21.

In short, correct your disobedience... obey the PCE while you still can, before it is too late!
Let's pray for EvoX my brothers.

See the prayers worked. He won a copy of Altered Beast PCE in a raffle. Now he can see with his own eyes that there is no choppy and darty animations on the game program, and it is in fact quite 16 bit-ish. It's god's work let me tell you.

I literally just found out right now I just won this game, you sir have made my day!

I'm not even mad at you.  Your name is strangely homoerotic so PM me any time.

After careful consideration I would like to decline this generous offer.
I like boobies

I got a solid B as of right now.  Give me a few weeks and a couple of tubs of Hagen Daz and I'll get them up to a C if you want.

[NecroPhile]

You have to admit that is quite impressive, especially the speed.

It's not bad by any means, but it's not all that impressive; even the SNES and its weenie CPU pulled off a decent port of Wolfenstein 3D.  Due to the low res textures used on the SNES version, the genny one looks better, but I assume the low res was due to cartridge size constraints and not technical capabilities (they have the same amount of vram and the SNES has the advantage in system ram).

[CrackTiger]

You have to admit that is quite impressive, especially the speed.

It's not bad by any means, but it's not all that impressive; even the SNES and its weenie CPU pulled off a decent port of Wolfenstein 3D.  Due to the low res textures used on the SNES version, the genny one looks better, but I assume the low res was due to cartridge size constraints and not technical capabilities (they have the same amount of vram and the SNES has the advantage in system ram).

Apparently the SNES version exploits some little known way of using one of the Modes and the game wouldn't run nearly as well without it. It was also a project that id worked hard on, while the recent Wolf 3D port for Genesis is done by a single fan for fun in their spare time.

The Genesis Wolf 3D port and stuff like ResQ and the Starfox demos are all impressive, but the PCE isn't lacking in 3D games because it "just can't do them". We'll eventually see some homebrew 3D stuff, but the most active PCE devs concentrate on making new games.

I know Tom said that he worked out a method for doing various effects on PCE, which could be effective for 3D.


Don't forget that Doom style 3D, polygons, Mode 7 and anything else realtime is impossible on Neo Geo and any amount that a Genesis game/demo tarnishes the PCE, only proves the Neo Geo to be that much crappier still.

[EvilEvoIX]

Don't forget that Doom style 3D, polygons, Mode 7 and anything else realtime is impossible on Neo Geo and any amount that a Genesis game/demo tarnishes the PCE, only proves the Neo Geo to be that much crappier still.

We had Super Spy, it's kinda like Doom ;) .  Don't forget Crossed Swords too, full first person!

[Psycho Punch]

PCE can do 3D better than Gunboat + Falcon at least... because it is clear that both were rushed (Gunboat had a 6 month development time lol).