A realistic approach - Community driven pressed CDs

[bartre]

So, Tobias has started with this whole PC engine boxset business.
conveniently enough, Google helped me find several places online that can do commercial pressings of CDs, along with many packaging options.
I know this has been discussed before (almost endlessly so), but who would be interested in getting some repros pressed? What games?

I'd be willing to take the duty of dealing with whatever company, as well as all the money handling.

here's the guidelines I'm thinking
1. If using some kind of patch (Ys IV dub, for example), we must get permission from the patch creator, and follow whatever terms they wish.
2. I'm not looking to make much money, if at all. These would be essentially cost + shipping + ~$1-2 for my time.


So my ideas for games-
Ys IV w/ patch(my big pick)
Dracula X w/ patch
pretty much any of the crazy high $$$ games (DEII, for example)

[slinkyturd]

Finances permitting and if it were cost efficient, I'd be interested.

[Nemo]

I'd definitely go for stuff like Ys IV and Beyond Shadowgate, something about Drac X just doesn't sit well with me though. Maybe it's because Konami actually still releases games in the US, actually cares about the Castlevania series, and has re-released this game in the US already (PSP).

[Duo_R]

Like to see what the translators say, if they are good I am game!

[seieienbu]

If you're going to do this, you should make them distinguishable at a glance from the originals.

[CrackTiger]

Like to see what the translators say, if they are good I am game!

The key member of the Drac X translation and Ys IV dub portion has made it very clear that he is not game and will never do another PC Engine project if you guys do this.

[bartre]

Like to see what the translators say, if they are good I am game!

The key member of the Drac X translation and Ys IV dub portion has made it very clear that he is not game and will never do another PC Engine project if you guys do this.

Is that burnt lasagna? or nightwolve?
I had not heard that.....

[bartre]

hmm...
if that is indeed the case, i might leave the dub alone.
the text patch was entirely a separate project though, correct? was that nightwolve?

[NecroPhile]

I'm pro booties for cheaps.  One of these days I'll get Motteke Tamago done, then Space Fantasy Zone if someone makes tunes for it, but dealing with a certain pressing house is like getting a root canal - slow and painful.

I recall Nightwolve being okay with booties of his work for non-profit.  He even said he'd be willing to help with a separate dub using peeps that aren't anti-booty.

I think the best way to go about it would be to have the high-res print-ready graphic files freely available for download, and accompany it with a list of good print shops for the paper wares and discs.

Discs too?  Nobody will do one off pressed discs for cheap (the test discs are $250 and I doubt they'd do them without a full order), and ordering bulk discs doesn't save much money.  It's maybe half the cost, but that works out to $1 per copy, which is less than the cost of a jewel case, ink, and glossy paper to do it yourself and a tenth the cost of having it printed at a pro shop.

[jlued686]

It's the translations that are most appealing to me. Or the hard-to-find Japanese stuff. But if we did group-buys for translations, yes, we should get permission from those who did it.

Although, and maybe I'm crazy here, but if we did this for non-profit...what's the objection? I mean, I guess some a-hole could turn around and try to re-sell it for stupid cash on eBay. But, I don't see how a small group of fans wanting a physical copy of the game is any different than making a CDR of it.

I'm just curious to know what the big issue is.

[NecroPhile]

If I recall correctly, BL was worried about pissing off the original IP owners and having his name attached to it, which honestly doesn't make much sense to me.  If they even give a shit at all, they're gonna be pissed about the copying itself and not the patch, and the translator peeps don't have to be involved at all with the copying.

[bartre]

okay, i sent PMs to nightwolve and burntlasagna; so we'll wait for their word before getting too deep there.
with Ys IV, i know that there is already a translated artset out there, does anyone happen to have it or know who made it?

and again, does anyone have experience with any CD pressing companies?

[jlued686]

If another dub was to be made, and Nightwolve and the voice actors gave their blessing, this would be awesome.  In fact, re-doing the voice acting probably would be a good idea.  haha, nothing against the original actors... i couldn't do better, but, the US dub for Ys IV is closer to Ys III than it is to I & II.  Also, I'd still like to see the art / image released free for download so there will be competition in the boot seller marketplace. 

Or just subtitle the thing and be done with it.

[Burnt Lasagna]

okay, i sent PMs to nightwolve and burntlasagna; so we'll wait for their word before getting too deep there.

Hey, got your pm.
Not exactly sure what else to say, but I believe I've stated what I feel about pressing discs with the dub on it.

I don't like them.
 
I get allot of flack for that stance, but I simply don't like hobby projects that I worked on being put out on bootleg discs.
I understand people want something "official-esque" to hold onto, however, I believe that's what the Japanese copy should be for.

[BigusSchmuck]

If another dub was to be made, and Nightwolve and the voice actors gave their blessing, this would be awesome.  In fact, re-doing the voice acting probably would be a good idea.  haha, nothing against the original actors... i couldn't do better, but, the US dub for Ys IV is closer to Ys III than it is to I & II.  Also, I'd still like to see the art / image released free for download so there will be competition in the boot seller marketplace.

Or just subtitle the thing and be done with it.

I thought due to memory restraints this wasn't possible?

[esteban]

Q: Does anyone here want to see future Japanese-to-English language dubs?

A: I do.

If you do, too, you will listen to Burnt Lasagna when HE PLAINLY STATES HE IS OPPOSED TO REPRODUCTIONS (pressed CDs) for fan projects he is involved in.


Q: Have you ever heard the expression "Don't bite the hand that feeds you"?

Q: Have you ever heard the corollary—"Don't sh¡t on the folks who create awesome stuff"?



EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: It is short-sighted to sacrifice future projects because you are TOO DAMN LAZY to LightScribe an Ys IV CD-R and print out a CD tray insert and/or booklet at Kinko's.

okay, i sent PMs to nightwolve and burntlasagna; so we'll wait for their word before getting too deep there.

Hey, got your pm.
Not exactly sure what else to say, but I believe I've stated what I feel about pressing discs with the dub on it.

I don't like them.
 
I get allot of flack for that stance, but I simply don't like hobby projects that I worked on being put out on bootleg discs.
I understand people want something "official-esque" to hold onto, however, I believe that's what the Japanese copy should be for.

Thank you for all your hard work.

I respect your wishes.

I hope others will have the same respect.

[jtucci31]

Q: Does anyone here want to see future Japanese-to-English language dubs?

A: I do.

If you do, too, you will listen to Burnt Lasagna when HE PLAINLY STATES HE IS OPPOSED TO REPRODUCTIONS (pressed CDs) for fan projects he is involved in.


Q: Have you ever heard the expression "Don't bite the hand that feeds you"?

Q: Have you ever heard the corollary—"Don't sh¡t on the folks who create awesome stuff"?



EXECUTIVE SUMMARY: It is short-sighted to sacrifice future projects because you are TOO DAMN LAZY to LightScribe an Ys IV CD-R and print out a CD tray insert and/or booklet at Kinko's.

Yeah, if these awesome translators can go through the daunting task of making games English-friendly and then releasing their patches for free, the least I can do is create a copy myself. The work to create one's own copy of the game is probably not nearly as hard the main translating of the game.

Solid points. I want to continue to see translation projects in the future. I will comply to whatever is necessary to make this happen.

[johnnykonami]

I don't care about the translations myself, it's easy enough to patch Ys IV if you wanted to, and there's so little dialogue in Rondo so as not to matter one bit.  I would love a $15ish boot of DEII to hold me over until I can maybe get a real one.

[EvilEvoIX]

This would be great for the community as a whole.  I feel the more people that get into these games the better it is for the longevity and popularity of the system.  Maybe a Mult-Disc with many games on one disc or even games that were once Hu-Card only Brought on the CD.

[DeshDildo]

There's not a Snatcher translation out there is there?

[Arjak]

I would love for this to happen AS LONG AS no one steps on anyone's toes. If BL doesn't want his dub put into bootleg form, then we should respect his wishes. I am intrigued by the idea of doing a new dub for the purpose, though.

I would also love to see other games get a community pressing/translation. Random thought: Why not try Double Dragon 2? IIRC, most of, if not all of the in-game text is already in English, so mostly, we would just have to create and insert an English dub. (Correct me if my memory is wrong.)

[Bernie]

Just tell me where to send my monies....

[esteban]

Grab a CD-R, some paper and...

PRINT YOUR OWN STUFF

https://www.tg-16.com/print_your_own_stuff.htm



BONUS: It is fun just to see the "history" of these homemade designs evolve here at pcefx.

[seieienbu]

It's funny, the games most talked about here are also the ones that I think are the worst ideas to be used.  Dracula X and Snatcher are owned by Konami who still releases games over here.  Ys 4 was recently remade on Vita and that came out what, a year ago? 

If you're going to straight up try to create semi-authentic CD reproductions I feel that you should only use properties like Beyond Shadowgate, Bonk 3, Dynastic Hero, Lords of Thunder, or other games that will likely never see the light of day over here and don't have a parent company that's still active that would potentially take legal action against people.

[spenoza]

Thing is, Hudson is owned by Konami now, so ANY Hudson game is now a Konami game. So that logic knocks out a huge portion of the library.

[slinkyturd]

I think it would be fun to create more titles like mega man for obey. I'd kill for an arcade perfect version or the fm towns version of splatterhouse on my duo. Or why not some RPGs off SNES?

[SamIAm]

Dracula X is the one game on the whole system that I think could really attract a cease and desist/lawsuit from the company that owns it. Konami used to aggressively hunt down the ISO not so long ago, especially lossless copies, and Castlevania is one of their most valuable IPs today.

Old Hudson IPs, on the other hand, I don't think would raise too much of a fuss.

[HailingTheThings]

I think it would be fun to create more titles like mega man for obey. I'd kill for an arcade perfect version or the fm towns version of splatterhouse on my duo. Or why not some RPGs off SNES?

360

or

PS3

Easily unlocked.

[slinkyturd]

I think it would be fun to create more titles like mega man for obey. I'd kill for an arcade perfect version or the fm towns version of splatterhouse on my duo. Or why not some RPGs off SNES?

360

or

PS3

Easily unlocked.

I have neither system, with little desire for them.

[HailingTheThings]

I think it would be fun to create more titles like mega man for obey. I'd kill for an arcade perfect version or the fm towns version of splatterhouse on my duo. Or why not some RPGs off SNES?

360

or

PS3

Easily unlocked.

I have neither system, with little desire for them.

Well... piss.

[slinkyturd]

I think it would be fun to create more titles like mega man for obey. I'd kill for an arcade perfect version or the fm towns version of splatterhouse on my duo. Or why not some RPGs off SNES?

360

or

PS3

Easily unlocked.

I have neither system, with little desire for them.

Well... piss.

Done and done.

[HailingTheThings]

I think it would be fun to create more titles like mega man for obey. I'd kill for an arcade perfect version or the fm towns version of splatterhouse on my duo. Or why not some RPGs off SNES?

360

or

PS3

Easily unlocked.

I have neither system, with little desire for them.

Well... piss.

Done and done.

Best.

[EvilEvoIX]

I think it would be fun to create more titles like mega man for obey. I'd kill for an arcade perfect version or the fm towns version of splatterhouse on my duo. Or why not some RPGs off SNES?

360

or

PS3

Easily unlocked.

Great Info I have to get these on the cheap.

[NecroPhile]

I think it would be fun to create more titles like mega man for obey. I'd kill for an arcade perfect version or the fm towns version of splatterhouse on my duo. Or why not some RPGs off SNES?

I'm all for more ports, but it's one hell of a lot more work (of which relatively few are capable) than making simple copies of something that already exists.

[jlued686]

Just for the record: I agree with Esteban's post. My query was more out of curiosity. If BL or other translators/developers don't want their work included in something like this, we should totally respect that. I was just curious, that's all.

[CrackTiger]

Just for the record: I agree with Esteban's post. My query was more out of curiosity. If BL or other translators/developers don't want their work included in something like this, we should totally respect that. I was just curious, that's all.

Why don't we do Xak III, Startling Odyssey 2, etc if the translation teams are cool with it?

[Sadler]

Because Xak III sucks? 

[ToyMachine78]

I like the idea of Shadowgate, DEII, and YsIV.

I don't get the big deal of using a translation patch. I understand its a lot of work to create these projects, but if you are doing it for the community and the love of the system, then once you turn it over to the community you have to let it go. Let the community do what it wants with it. Its community property at that point, much like my cock.  As long as others are not profiteering from your gift, I don't see the big deal.

I see this mentality here at work as well. Someone writes an app from scratch, then clings to it like its their child. If someone else comes along and wants to modify it, or incorporate it into a new process, they get all pissy. You can't do that... It wasn't designed to be used like that.... I wrote it....

So what, you created it. Its now a part of the company code library, and we will use it and leverage it as we see fit. Let it go!

[jlued686]

Frankly, I don't get it either and for most of the reasons you've mentioned. But I'm willing to respect his wishes. So, if we do a community pressing of a translation, I'm cool with getting the translator's permission before doing so.

Why don't we do Xak III, Startling Odyssey 2, etc if the translation teams are cool with it?

I'm fine with that.

[bartre]

So, BL said no.
no Ys IV with a dub, simple as that.

still no response from nightwolve though, so what do you all say to putting Ys IV on hold?

I must say, I had completely forgotten about beyond shadowgate, and I'm good to go ahead with that one.
does anyone know where some high quality scans are?

[Psycho Punch]

I think all of the hentai games should be the first ones tackled.  I'll even do the translation.  Though I don't know japanese, I'd do a good job.

We need to buy a Pioneer Laserdisc plant and make repros of Virtual Cameraman 2. That's the logical first step IMO

[BigusSchmuck]

So, BL said no.
no Ys IV with a dub, simple as that.

still no response from nightwolve though, so what do you all say to putting Ys IV on hold?

I must say, I had completely forgotten about beyond shadowgate, and I'm good to go ahead with that one.
does anyone know where some high quality scans are?

I second Beyond Shawdowgate.

[esteban]

I think all of the hentai games should be the first ones tackled.  I'll even do the translation.  Though I don't know japanese, I'd do a good job.

We need to buy a Pioneer Laserdisc plant and make repros of Virtual Cameraman 2. That's the logical first step IMO

Agreed.

[VenomMacbeth]

I'd definitely be on board with this.

[seieienbu]

I think all of the hentai games should be the first ones tackled.  I'll even do the translation.  Though I don't know japanese, I'd do a good job.

So, that's a bunch of votes for Beyond Shadowgate, and 1 vote for all of the pr0n-o games.

[jlued686]

I'd like to see Startling Odyssey 2 translation.

Or...the other thread got me thinking...what about Fantasy Star Soldier?

[Phase]

Agree Fantasy Star Soldier is a good idea also, could also do Super Air Zonk.
Beyond Shadowgate is cool though.

Full color manuals would be neat and also set it apart from the original, could also add art to the back of the manual and alter the cd cover.

[VenomMacbeth]

Phantasy Star Soldier?  Is that spaceship shooting JRPG with the first-person dungeon shmup segments?

[xcrement5x]

I think all of the hentai games should be the first ones tackled.  I'll even do the translation.  Though I don't know japanese, I'd do a good job.

There's always Lady Sword if you can get Arkhan to produce more custom AbCards  :3

[SamIAm]

Hi Leg Fantasy apparently isn't half bad.

I'd like to try it, but it apparently deletes other save files. Screw that.