Madbooms deflection / lock down...

[Sparky]

Continued from Madbooms lockup...
Read it over and carry on...


https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18229.0


Re: Hu card games for sale
? Reply #50 on: Today at 06:08:43 PM ?
You are ignoring this user.
I get it. I got hosed it happens. Subject is beat to hell so let's make it easy and lock it to let it die.

[NightWolve]

I would've liked to have known who he had bought the game from actually, just for the record. Was it that reseller piece of shit wmac ? And no, I doubt he'll ever return from the complete sell off of his collection (2nd time). We can only hope he never tries for a 3rd time to buy the whole NEC library again to feed his bizarre ideas for personal "challenges."

[roflmao]

*sips wine*

[HailingTheThings]

^^ *licks face* ^^

[roflmao]

How many times do I have to tell you, Hailing!? Only on Tuesdays!

[cjameslv]

All this is assuming he actually did buy it from someone on this forum? Don't see what the big deal is telling us?

[HailingTheThings]

How many times do I have to tell you, Hailing!? Only on Tuesdays!

Shit, I forgot...

*licks paws before staring off into the distance*

[esteban]

This is still a thing?

BUT, yes, of course I would love to know if he really bought it here and who the seller was because...

...drama.

[cjameslv]

This is still a thing?

BUT, yes, of course I would love to know if he really bought it here and who the seller was because...

...drama.

Exactly this ^^

[Emerald Rocker]

That locked thread is pretty much why I prefer buying and selling on ebay.  I've had some great transactions here in the past, but the pressure to "DON'T BE AN EBAY SCUM" has gotten silly.  Yeah, 600 for Terraforming is madness, but what about $300?  $200?  When does it become socially acceptable?  And is social acceptability really that important when trying to recoup a loss?  I don't think so.  I say sell it on ebay for as much as you can get.  If the dude can get 600 (and thus incur "only" a $100 loss) then more power to him.

Any PCEFX'er who seriously wanted the game but thought it was overpriced would just PM with their offer.

[Sparky]

Haha.. It is about common sense man, prices increase I get it but selling here you get a squeal of a deal.

[Sparky]

I agree with ER on this, but his opinion on blazing lazers is rubbish.

rubbish.

Oh null, you take every ones side. I have no clue what side you support. It's like you are just after members for your own site so you try to keep neutral. Hahaha.. Poor little lamb

[cjameslv]

That locked thread is pretty much why I prefer buying and selling on ebay.  I've had some great transactions here in the past, but the pressure to "DON'T BE AN EBAY SCUM" has gotten silly.  Yeah, 600 for Terraforming is madness, but what about $300?  $200?  When does it become socially acceptable?  And is social acceptability really that important when trying to recoup a loss?  I don't think so.  I say sell it on ebay for as much as you can get.  If the dude can get 600 (and thus incur "only" a $100 loss) then more power to him.

Any PCEFX'er who seriously wanted the game but thought it was overpriced would just PM with their offer.

Thank god this thread is in Fighting Street:

Are you mental? Recoup a loss? If you overpaid, that means YOU over paid and it's no ones fault but your own, cause they sure as hell didn't force you to pay them. Don't even try to complain about how people can't sell their "R@res" for outrageous prices here with fabricated pity stories or oh i'm too fucking stupid to check prices of current items so i just over payed a "member" here bullshit.

You definitely should not be allowed to sell on here with your statement, "...the pressure to "DON'T BE AN EBAY SCUM" has gotten silly..." This tells everyone you have no ethics. You then further that by stating "..And is social acceptability really that important when trying to recoup a loss?.." So your saying,of course let's fuck everyone else cause i got fucked right? Your such a piece of shit scumbag with that mentality. You have actually lowered everyone's IQ that has read your post and should apologize for all the feces you have just spewed forth onto our screens.
 
Let's make this real simple:
Don't be an ebay gouger, respect that people work hard for their money and don't deserve to be shafted by some fucktard who "needs to recoup their loss" and taaafuckingdaaa it's super easy to sell and buy here without any issues.

[PunkCryborg]

Ok this is just a curious post for everyone here.

In your opinion and to the dollar, would you say would be the highest price that Madboom could have listed this and you would be the acceptable forum price.
I'm going to go with $460 and it would have sold really fast. Nobody would be upset but you'd still get the "I can't believe its so high these days" post

[bob]

It was probably $10 in a bargain bin someplace at one point. So i would say $11 is gouging.

[Emerald Rocker]

Thank god this thread is in Fighting Street:

Are you mental? Recoup a loss? If you overpaid, that means YOU over paid and it's no ones fault but your own, cause they sure as hell didn't force you to pay them. Don't even try to complain about how people can't sell their "R@res" for outrageous prices here with fabricated pity stories or oh i'm too fucking stupid to check prices of current items so i just over payed a "member" here bullshit.

You definitely should not be allowed to sell on here with your statement, "...the pressure to "DON'T BE AN EBAY SCUM" has gotten silly..." This tells everyone you have no ethics. You then further that by stating "..And is social acceptability really that important when trying to recoup a loss?.." So your saying,of course let's fuck everyone else cause i got fucked right? Your such a piece of shit scumbag with that mentality. You have actually lowered everyone's IQ that has read your post and should apologize for all the feces you have just spewed forth onto our screens.
 
Let's make this real simple:
Don't be an ebay gouger, respect that people work hard for their money and don't deserve to be shafted by some fucktard who "needs to recoup their loss" and taaafuckingdaaa it's super easy to sell and buy here without any issues.

Oh, I see how you do things.

1. Person lists item at a price with minimal comment
2. You tell them that they're crazy for listing it at that price
3. Person explains why they set the price, in an effort to disprove craziness
4. You rip on the person for trying to elicit pity (when in fact, they were just responding specifically to you)

That's a beautiful troll job, truly.

Troll.

As for the rest of what you said, no one is forced to buy things.  No one is getting "fucked" when someone lists an item at PCEFX with a pricetag that you don't like.  You could just not buy it.  Or, you know, PM the person with what you consider to be a realistic offer.*

* I understand the argument about how the practice of gouging on eBay spurs price inflation.  This is not eBay.  This is essentially a closed environment -- high prices are easy to ignore.

PS - Come up with your own material next time.  Please don't ruin Billy Madison by ripping off its jokes.

[Emerald Rocker]

Ok this is just a curious post for everyone here.

In your opinion and to the dollar, would you say would be the highest price that Madboom could have listed this and you would be the acceptable forum price.
I'm going to go with $460 and it would have sold really fast. Nobody would be upset but you'd still get the "I can't believe its so high these days" post

I wouldn't complain about the dude no matter what the price was, but Terraforming is a crappy game and even $50 is too much for it ;)

[cjameslv]

Oh, I see how you do things.

1. Person lists item at a price with minimal comment
2. You tell them that they're crazy for listing it at that price
3. Person explains why they set the price, in an effort to disprove craziness
4. You rip on the person for trying to elicit pity (when in fact, they were just responding specifically to you)

That's a beautiful troll job, truly.

Troll.

As for the rest of what you said, no one is forced to buy things.  No one is getting "fucked" when someone lists an item at PCEFX with a pricetag that you don't like.  You could just not buy it.  Or, you know, PM the person with what you consider to be a realistic offer.*

* I understand the argument about how the practice of gouging on eBay spurs price inflation.  This is not eBay.  This is essentially a closed environment -- high prices are easy to ignore.

PS - Come up with your own material next time.  Please don't ruin Billy Madison by ripping off its jokes.

PS - Here is what you speak of, (Not one thing i said is there, damn you really are just stupid huh, but the fact you figured out this actually applied to you is absolutely amazing) :

Billy Madison - Ultimate Insult (Academic Decathlon)[Forum Weapon][How To Troll][Ignorance Is Bliss]

[HailingTheThings]

I feel it would be in everyone's best interest to take some time and cool down. Ya know... smoke some bongs? Listen to the Dragon Spirit soundtrack? Wait for it to really kick in and then listen to the Tonma soundtrack? Maybe start dancing? No? ... Anyone?

+

Seriously, come on everyone, let's get weird and touch each other!

[esteban]

That locked thread is pretty much why I prefer buying and selling on ebay.  I've had some great transactions here in the past, but the pressure to "DON'T BE AN EBAY SCUM" has gotten silly.  Yeah, 600 for Terraforming is madness, but what about $300?  $200?  When does it become socially acceptable?  And is social acceptability really that important when trying to recoup a loss?  I don't think so.  I say sell it on ebay for as much as you can get.  If the dude can get 600 (and thus incur "only" a $100 loss) then more power to him.

Any PCEFX'er who seriously wanted the game but thought it was overpriced would just PM with their offer.

I think you miss the point of why we have "our own little place" here. However pathetic it may sound, we at least attempt to have a community that is not based solely on "maximizing profit"...it evolved organically, and it is certainly an interesting experiment.

WHY SHOULD WE SIMPLY REPLICATE EBAY? WHY SHOULD WE REPLICATE "maximum profit, always" WHEN "healthy profit without being a douchebag" IS POSSIBLE?

If a person is not happy with the norms that we have developed here, they are not forced to buy or sell here.

It really is that simple.

If folks want to sell here, they should respect the norms here. It is that simple. If a seller has a problem  with that, they will be much happier selling elsewhere.

More importantly, you overstate the power we actually have when it comes to buying/selling. We really don't have much, if any, power over any transactions. We can only discuss stuff that has "gone public"...there are many, many deals (private or not) that transpire WITHOUT folks posting a word about it. Some of them might be overpriced, some might be underpriced.

Also, since I know you might find this interesting:

I think many folks have an overly simplistic understanding of how community and commerce interact with each other. Too many people isolate the buying/selling as a transaction that occurs in a vacuum. This approach is acceptable for eBay: random sellers seek to maximize profit from random buyers. Sterile. Formulaic. Textbook.

But, once you add "community" to the transaction, well, we get the situation that you are complaining about. You find the "community norms" an unwelcome layer of grief/annoyance. The "community norms", in your eyes, add friction to the transaction.

It's perfectly fine for you to feel this way. I wouldn't have it any other way.

Because the very same "community rules" that irk you, well...they comfort some of us.

That's it.



Sorry for rambling. My son is running around turning on all the lights (2:00-5:00 AM), despite all my attempts to convince him that he should let me go back to sleep.

[NightWolve]

That was very articulate, este! Good read!

[Emerald Rocker]

Esteban, I didn't say anything about replicating eBay or maximizing profit.  Aside from the first sentence of your post, I agree with everything that you said.  I'm not sure we agree on the sentiments underneath the words, though.

If folks want to sell here, they should respect the norms here.

I agree.  Set fair prices, be honest about condition, don't try to rip people off.  No disagreement there.  People didn't like the $600 price and they said so.  That part is fine.  So the seller explained why he set such a high price -- i.e. why he perceived the price as being "fair".  That part is fine too.   And then the dude got yelled at even more (this is where I start to roll my eyes).  And when he politely bowed out, a new thread was opened in Fighting Street to grouse about it!  And with all the grousing, still no idea what a "fair" price for the game should be.

If a seller has a problem  with that, they will be much happier selling elsewhere.

I agree here too.  What I'm assuming we disagree on is whether or not the guy should be mocked.  (Do we disagree about that?)  In other words -- would he be able to avoid public shaming if he took it to ebay instead?  Or would someone point it out in the ebay gouging thread and say "I BET THAT EBAY SELLER IS MADBOOM"?

So to go back to the question that was asked before: if $600 is unacceptable and outside the PCEFX norms, what is the socially acceptable price for Terraforming?

[NecroPhile]

I don't really give a fuck about the price.  It's more that he argued that he wasn't asking ebay prices and was in fact doing us a favor by taking a loss, and that's pure horseshit.

if boom paid 700 and is asking 600, that is undercutting ebay by an amount consistent with what many respected members  have sold stuff for on these boards.  It is still an inflated price, sure, but not what I'd call a gouge considering the $600 bin on ebay doesnt have the back case art.

After factoring in paypal fees and missed ebay bucks, madbooms copy would end up costing $36 more than a copy that is presumably already overpriced (it's unsold anyway).  That sounds to me like he was indeed shooting for ebay prices while avoiding their fees and hoop jumping, which is the claim that got him all worked up to begin with.

[DildoKKKobold]

After factoring in paypal fees and missed ebay bucks, madbooms copy would end up costing $36 more than a copy that is presumably already overpriced (it's unsold anyway).  That sounds to me like he was indeed shooting for ebay prices while avoiding their fees and hoop jumping, which is the claim that got him all worked up to begin with.

The one on eBay for $600 doesn't have the back case art. So, its not equivalent.

[NecroPhile]

The one on eBay for $600 doesn't have the back case art. So, its not equivalent.

It's also $36 less.  If you want to argue that that insert is worth hundreds, knock yourself out.

By the way, the last two that actually sold went for $200 and $135.

[DildoKKKobold]

The one on eBay for $600 doesn't have the back case art. So, its not equivalent.

It's also $36 less.  If you want to argue that that insert is worth hundreds, knock yourself out.

By the way, the last two that actually sold went for $200 and $135.

The $135 you quote is for the manual and a FAKE back insert.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/231266041114?rmvSB=true

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Syd-Meads-Terraforming-TurboGrafx-CD-1993-/251794945797?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aa025f705

http://www.ebay.com/itm/140922135295?rmvSB=true

... I'm not saying its worth $900. I'm not saying its worth $200 because someone sniped it.

If someone is paying $600 for a game, I doubt they consider the "back art" only worth $36. Yes, they want to pay $564 for the CD and Manual, but the Back art? Fuck that shit, only worth $36.

By necromancer breakdown:

CD + Manual: 94% of price
Back Insert: 6%

YAY MATH.

[NecroPhile]

That's the whole thing, genius, nobody is PAYING $600 for that copy; apparently it's not worth that much, else it would've sold already.  It's sitting there being relisted, whereas the one for $135 actually SOLD for that amount after real people bid on it.

If the game without the insert is worth $135 and the complete game is worth $600, then by DarkKobold's breakdown:

CD + Manual: 22% of price
Back Insert: 78%

YAY MATH indeed. 

By the way, that $900 copy was immediately relisted for the same price.  It obviously didn't actually sell at that price.

[LostFlunky]

That's the whole thing, genius, nobody is PAYING $600 for that copy; apparently it's not worth that much, else it would've sold already.  It's sitting there being relisted, whereas the one for $135 actually SOLD for that amount after real people bid on it.

If the game without the insert is worth $135 and the complete game is worth $600, then by DarKKKobold's breakdown:

CD + Manual: 22% of price
Back Insert: 78%

YAY MATH indeed. 

By the way, that $900 copy was immediately relisted for the same price.  It obviously didn't actually sell at that price.

For the 2nd time - there was no fucking game disc in the $135 auction.... it was just a manual...

Ridiculous either way...

[DildoKKKobold]

That's the whole thing, genius, nobody is PAYING $600 for that copy; apparently it's not worth that much, else it would've sold already.  It's sitting there being relisted, whereas the one for $135 actually SOLD for that amount after real people bid on it.

If the game without the insert is worth $135 and the complete game is worth $600, then by DarkKobold's breakdown:

CD + Manual: 22% of price
Back Insert: 78%

YAY MATH indeed. 

By the way, that $900 copy was immediately relisted for the same price.  It obviously didn't actually sell at that price.

No, moron. There was NO CD with the $135 copy. Or real back insert. It was $135 just for the fucking manual. Fucking hell, is it that hard to actually read the link? Or notice there was an auction that went for $624? Here is the real math, based on that link. 

Manual: 22% of price
CD+Back Insert: 78%

Once again, yay math for those that bother to fucking pay attention.

Also, the $600 copy on eBay. It doesn't matter if it sold or not, or what its worth. YOU called it equivalent to madbooms copy, which makes him an evil fee-avoiding asshole, to the tune of $36.  They weren't equal. Your argument doesn't tread water.

[NecroPhile]

Ah, I misread that.  My mistake on the $135 copy. 

As for the $624 copy, I intentionally ignored it because the auction was more than a year old.  What purpose does it serve anyway, to prove that the game's ebay worth is almost exactly what madboom was asking?

[o.pwuaioc]

Ah, I misread that.  My mistake on the $135 copy. 

As for the $624 copy, I intentionally ignored it because the auction was more than a year old.  What purpose does it serve anyway, to prove that the game's ebay worth is almost exactly what madboom was asking?

And that was the point anyway, that he was charging ebay prices without ebay fees.

[geise]

If some nimrod pays $600 that is their own mindless fault.  It is obviously going to be a reseller.  No real gamer is going to pay that shit.  I don't know why this ruffles so many feathers, even if it is ebay prices here.  It boils down to some stupid shit paying an inflated price.  Prices are all over the map now even for just one  game.  It's hard to make sure you're not paying ebay prices even here.  If someone says "Hey it's only $600!  I'll buy it and flip it down the road for$ 999.99 after I realize the mistake I made." who cares.  Madboom put it up for the ridiculous price he paid and some moron bought it for that.  How many here were going to buy it even if it was say...$400?

[Sparky]

Ah, I misread that.  My mistake on the $135 copy. 

Haha.. Whatever it was no biggie, Kaboob just feels like he won one for once. His replys are the best.

[Opethian]

I like threads like this because it reminds me who I should never bother to deal with in the future...

[NightWolve]

Ah, I misread that.  My mistake on the $135 copy. 

Haha.. Whatever it was no biggie, Kaboob just feels like he won one for once. His replys are the best.

Notice how the creep mostly lurks around, and seemingly waits for golden gotcha opportunities like this for his favorite nemesis, NecroPhile! Heh-heh. NecroPhile still lives rent-free in his mind. Now all he needs is CrackTiger and vestcunt to join the thread so he can pick up right where his hounding left off from the Turbo Gouging thread!

[Ninja16608]

Wait!!! What???? Damn you MadBOOBS your hoggin all my attention. how dare you, you fuck!! With all this I guess I get to deny your request, with great delight.

You see, boobs here, he wanted me to offer up my copy of MC here because of the find he had. At first I was all like ok man that would be cool, I was thinking make it for sale but only to the elder members here for maybe a few hundred bux, Boobs was like that would be cool. After being shit on myself,...for asking a question and then seeing tbhis!!!! HAHAHA yeah right, fuck that shit, I would rather give it to my 15 year old son and have him wipe his ass with it, manual and all. Way to go!!!

I know most of you think what madboobs did was fake or bullshit and I don't give two shits who does, they sit nicely in my collection and that's all that matters to me.

I guess life is funny that way....Ok guys have at it!!  Oh! you new fucks who have no idea who anyone even remotely is, or have had deals and trades with boobs keep your fucking pole smoker holes shut.

To the rest, enjoy the rants and raves to come.

[esteban]

Wth?

[NightWolve]

Yeah, um, I dunno if this thread was a good idea...

[NecroPhile]

Wth?

Who knows.  Ninja just can't pass up a chance to tell us that he doesn't care what we think, but we can all fuck off for thinking the wrong things.

[NightWolve]

Riders gonna riiiiiide... 

[SephirothTNH]

Riders gonna riiiiiide... 

Well played.

[o.pwuaioc]

This has gone from popcorn-funny to just pathetic.

[Opethian]

Ninja has taken dick riding to a new level. No one cares what you have. If you feel the need to prove yourself to people on a message board you lead a sad existence.

[esteban]

I do not think we have fully examined this issue.

What would Jesus do?

[HailingTheThings]

Wait!!! What???? Damn you MadBOOBS your hoggin all my attention. how dare you, you fuck!! With all this I guess I get to deny your request, with great delight.

You see, boobs here, he wanted me to offer up my copy of MC here because of the find he had. At first I was all like ok man that would be cool, I was thinking make it for sale but only to the elder members here for maybe a few hundred bux, Boobs was like that would be cool. After being shit on myself,...for asking a question and then seeing tbhis!!!! HAHAHA yeah right, fuck that shit, I would rather give it to my 15 year old son and have him wipe his ass with it, manual and all. Way to go!!!

I know most of you think what madboobs did was fake or bullshit and I don't give two shits who does, they sit nicely in my collection and that's all that matters to me.

I guess life is funny that way....Ok guys have at it!!  Oh! you new fucks who have no idea who anyone even remotely is, or have had deals and trades with boobs keep your fucking pole smoker holes shut.

To the rest, enjoy the rants and raves to come.

I am 15, also probably your son, as my mother said she met/humped you after a long night of passionate dumpster diving behind EB Games stores and McDonalds restaurants.

Gibe me your Ch-ch-chase, daddy-papa-man?

Goo-goo, Gaga, Lady Gaga, also, meow.

#IsAnyoneEvenReadingThisQuestionMark

[geise]

I do not think we have fully examined this issue.

What would Jesus do?

Drink micro brews and look at the stars.

[Opethian]

hailing the things I bet you do some hard drugs man. let the good times roll

[esteban]

I do not think we have fully examined this issue.

What would Jesus do?

Drink micro brews and look at the stars.

But does JESUS like hoppy beers? That's what I want to know.

[HailingTheThings]

hailing the things I bet you do some hard drugs man. let the good times roll

We all have had fun in the past, yes?

 

[esteban]

My questions have been answered.

My faith restored.