That Tobias f--k went after Xak III and SO II as pressed CD-ROM releases!

[Joe Redifer]

A model one Sega CD with a tray that opens and out slides an SD card slot would be pretty rad, though.

[Emerald Rocker]

But do any of you and I mean ANY OF YOU go up to the countless dealers selling repros at game conventions and give them any sort of shit at all about selling stuff that doesn't belong to them? Do you ask them if they procured permission to use the particular English patch they're using?

Actually yes.  I've only been to one "game" convention -- never seen repros being sold by the videogame dealers at anime conventions -- and I saw a dude selling some NES ROMs.  The way they were presented was as though the dealer was responsible for creating the repro's*, so I got belligerent right to his face.

He thought I was an ass and he was clearly upset.  That pleased me.

* If someone just happens to be selling a repro that they bought from someone else, I wouldn't give them a hard time.  But when someone appears to be taking responsibility for the product existing, they had damn well better be responsible for the product existing.

EDIT: Also, I can personally vouch for the effectiveness of the upfront disclaimers.  I once bought an anime bootleg in my youth from the local comic shop, saw the disclaimer, and that opened my eyes to what was really going on.  Whether or not it's removable is irrelevant -- it's an easy inclusion that harms no one except the profiteer.

[Emerald Rocker]

* accidental double post *

[NecroPhile]

Secondly, it's easy to spew hatred for this kind of thing in the safety of an online forum. But do any of you and I mean ANY OF YOU go up to the countless dealers selling repros at game conventions and give them any sort of shit at all about selling stuff that doesn't belong to them? Do you ask them if they procured permission to use the particular English patch they're using? Why not?

That's two very different things.  I wouldn't seek out confrontation with sellers, but I'd say they suck in discussions with other convention goers; similarly, I'll say Tobias sucks in a discussion forum, but I'm not sending him daily emails, calling him on the phone, or driving over to Germany to kick him in the lederhosen.


For you guys arguing that warnings work, you're citing examples that are mostly irrelevant.  Some guy buying stuff at a anime con or in a record store probably didn't know any better, but nobody is stumbling upon Tobias's shit unawares; to find and order this crap, you have to know what you're looking for.  Such warnings might help a handful of people have a change of heart, but most buyers won't care.

[DragonmasterDan]

But do any of you and I mean ANY OF YOU go up to the countless dealers selling repros at game conventions and give them any sort of shit at all about selling stuff that doesn't belong to them? Do you ask them if they procured permission to use the particular English patch they're using?

Actually yes.  I've only been to one "game" convention -- never seen repros being sold by the videogame dealers at anime conventions -- and I saw a dude selling some NES ROMs.  The way they were presented was as though the dealer was responsible for creating the repro's*, so I got belligerent right to his face.

He thought I was an ass and he was clearly upset.  That pleased me.

* If someone just happens to be selling a repro that they bought from someone else, I wouldn't give them a hard time.  But when someone appears to be taking responsibility for the product existing, they had damn well better be responsible for the product existing.

EDIT: Also, I can personally vouch for the effectiveness of the upfront disclaimers.  I once bought an anime bootleg in my youth from the local comic shop, saw the disclaimer, and that opened my eyes to what was really going on.  Whether or not it's removable is irrelevant -- it's an easy inclusion that harms no one except the profiteer.

I know the Midwest Gaming Classic for example apparently passed a rule in recent years banning the sale of repros. But a few years back there were 3 or 4 vendors selling mostly or primarily repro carts. A lot of them had the same common popular cartridges quite a few of which were fan translations and hacks of existing games.

As Joe mentioned, I doubt these vendors or the original makers of these carts are asking NeoDemiforce and what not for permission to repro old Square or Enix games with their translations.

[SkyeWelse]

I really, really, like what SamIAm suggested. It does remind me of the Earthbound situation as well as with a game called "Game Dev Tycoon" which had a pretty hilarious anti-piracy measure.

Hell, if you guys are skilled enough to insert a check for disclaimer that gets removed, that sounds like a great idea! Also the same could apply to the disclaimer if say the disc actually was released as a pressed disc through a production house that was authorized to do business with the developer/romhacker where the message could say something like:

"This translation was created by INSERT NAME and distributed through INSERT NAME only. If you have purchased this disc from anyone other than INSERT NAME, you have been been ripped off and quite possibly the this version will break at some point during play."

Also, I just had a friend explain to me how pressed discs work versus CD-Rs and how pressed discs tend to be easier on the laser to read the data, so I guess you can throw out my suggestion for an operation of selling only the nice looking CD/Case/Manual that requires the game to be written to it like a CD-R. I guess in my mind I originally thought that these pressed discs were just fancier Lightscribed CD-Rs, but apparently I had no idea what I was talking about. I'll just chalk that up as a learned lesson in recordable media technology.

-Thomas

[SignOfZeta]

I think the time bomb code is only a good idea if there was some way to get the game working again later, like a decade later. I'd hate to think of a great game being pressed onto real CDs permanently self destructing. Quite a waste.

[esadajr]

I think the time bomb code is only a good idea if there was some way to get the game working again later, like a decade later. I'd hate to think of a great game being pressed onto real CDs permanently self destructing. Quite a waste.

No because that would only happen to unauthorized copies.

[elmer]

I think the time bomb code is only a good idea if there was some way to get the game working again later, like a decade later. I'd hate to think of a great game being pressed onto real CDs permanently self destructing. Quite a waste.

No because that would only happen to unauthorized copies.

Please, please, please tell me that you guys are joking around here! 

[esteban]

I think the time bomb code is only a good idea if there was some way to get the game working again later, like a decade later. I'd hate to think of a great game being pressed onto real CDs permanently self destructing. Quite a waste.

No because that would only happen to unauthorized copies.

Please, please, please tell me that you guys are joking around here! 

There is no time bomb.

If Tobias hired someone to remove/alter the disclaimer on title screen, this douchebaggery would be repaid with an amusing consequence (take your pick).

The game would work fine unless someone tried to remove the disclaimer.

[Psycho Punch]

It doesn't matter if the disc has a anti modification measure or not since most of the buyers won't bother opening the actual box with the game...

[elmer]

There is no time bomb.

And you missed my point! 

[esteban]

There is no time bomb.

And you missed my point! 

Hahaahhahahahahahahaha. My comments are directed at the folks who needed help.

Elmer, forgive me. ;)

[SamIAm]

It doesn't matter if the disc has a anti modification measure or not since most of the buyers won't bother opening the actual box with the game...

Like I said, all that's necessary is for the word to get out. Even if it's a trophy, nobody wants a broken game.

[elmer]

Elmer, forgive me. ;)

Of course!

You know that those first-generation CD lasers were so powerful that developers often flipped the wrong bit in code and melted the entire console ... very expensive!

[SamIAm]

Someone named tobias.albrecht.hh just registered here on the 25th. That's him, isn't it? Should this guy be allowed to be a member?

[PCEngineHell]

Sounds like its him. He has a old id here also from way back when he was lying about the Sapphire shit also.

[elmer]

Someone named tobias.albrecht.hh just registered here on the 25th. That's him, isn't it? Should this guy be allowed to be a member?

My personal feeling is "yes" ... at least for a while.

There's a lot of negative talk about him here and in other threads.

I think that anyone, Tobias included, should have the chance to be able to respond to online trash-talk and defend themselves. I don't think that it is good to hide the discussion behind closed doors when people years from now can still come in and find it ... and not to see his side (if he wants to expound it).

Now, if he acts like a total dick and doesn't obey the forum rules ... then it's perfectly right to ban him, just like anyone else would be banned.

[SignOfZeta]

I think the time bomb code is only a good idea if there was some way to get the game working again later, like a decade later. I'd hate to think of a great game being pressed onto real CDs permanently self destructing. Quite a waste.

No because that would only happen to unauthorized copies.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN AUTHORIZED COPY!

[VestCunt]

There's a lot of negative talk about him here and in other threads.

I think that anyone, Tobias included, should have the chance to be able to respond to online trash-talk and defend themselves. I don't think that it is good to hide the discussion behind closed doors when people years from now can still come in and find it ... and not to see his side (if he wants to expound it).

God, this place never fucking changes.

I appreciate a good devil's advocate, but don't be an idiot. The old "two sides" argument kind of breaks down when the evidence is absolutely irrefutable, as in the case of... oh, I don't know, Tobias/Fudoh or the Holocaust.

Calling a spade a spade isn't trash talking. No one is wildly accusing Tobias of being a profiteering piece of shit,  HE IS A PROFITEERING PIECE OF SHIT. He feigned ignorance regarding the authenticity of the Sapphire bootlegs THAT HE REPLICATED so he could charge premium prices. Don't believe me? His lying posts are still on the forum, unmodified. Look it up. He profited on  Bonknut's free Megaman hack without permission, motivating Bonknuts to stop distributing ISO releases. Don't believe me? Find an archive of his webstore. He stole Xak III.

Now we can debate the morality and ownership of physical pirating, digital pirating, unauthorized fan translations and hacks until we're blue in the face and I'm content if we agree to disagree. Unfortunately, the handful of people with the skills and interest to hack and translate NES and PCE games (i.e., Nightwolve and Bonknuts) are getting pissed off, and that's bad news for everyone on these forums. So, don't defend Foduh, you fucking idiot. Also, he already has an account here and is free to post at any time. No one is silencing him.

[Emerald Rocker]

What Vestcunt said.

To spare people the effort of looking it up, here's what Tobias/Fudoh said about the Sapphire copies that he himself created:

Please let me make clear that I sell them as what they are: Sapphire reprints of unknown origin. Back a few years Hudson mentioned that these could be "waste", something like pre-production samples or a production run rejected due to sub-par quality - not illegal, but not meant for sale either. I simply don't know.

In other words, he is a proven liar.

[elmer]

To spare people the effort of looking it up, here's what Tobias/Fudoh said about the Sapphire copies that he himself created:

Thank you.

So, don't defend Foduh, you fucking idiot. Also, he already has an account here and is free to post at any time. No one is silencing him.

If you don't agree with my use of the phrase "trash talk", and you believe that it only means "stuff that isn't true" ... then I understand your comment ... but you misunderstood mine.

If you think that I was defending Fudoh, then ...

• You don't understand English.
• You haven't bothered to read my posts in the other sections, and so have no clue what my job is.

And if he's already got an active and unbanned account here, then "no", he doesn't need a new one.

Have a nice day.

[Bernie]

Never understood why certain peeps resort to calling people names round here.  But whatever.

[CrackTiger]

It doesn't matter if the disc has a anti modification measure or not since most of the buyers won't bother opening the actual box with the game...

Like I said, all that's necessary is for the word to get out. Even if it's a trophy, nobody wants a broken game.

That doesn't explain people paying ridiculous prices for Exile WP. What's more important is that is has a cardboard sleeve.

[BigusSchmuck]

It doesn't matter if the disc has a anti modification measure or not since most of the buyers won't bother opening the actual box with the game...

Like I said, all that's necessary is for the word to get out. Even if it's a trophy, nobody wants a broken game.

That doesn't explain people paying ridiculous prices for Exile WP. What's more important is that is has a cardboard sleeve.

off topic... but if anyone has a sleeve in good shape I'll pay $35 for it OR trade you a PCE Memories Repro Repro (burned em and used my own inkjet)

You can have the sleeve to my okidata 390 turbo that has your name all over it.

[Joe Redifer]

To all the title-screen/time bomb people here: If there was something on the title screen saying something to the effect of "Translated by so and so" and it was removed, the translation itself would still be HUGE evidence of who translated it. It's not like two different people/groups are going to translate it separately and have them be word-for-word exact.

[esteban]

To all the title-screen/time bomb people here: If there was something on the title screen saying something to the effect of "Translated by so and so" and it was removed, the translation itself would still be HUGE evidence of who translated it. It's not like two different people/groups are going to translate it separately and have them be word-for-word exact.

No, the disclaimer would say "If you paid for this, you are a fool because it is freely available at blank.com ... ... and a DIY version of physical media  should only cost a few Dollahs."

The point of the disclaimer would be to educate folks about the DIY/fan ethic...and how to enjoy the fruits of the DIY/fan ethic/process.

Joe, in your world, it would akin to a PSA.

ALSO NOTE: There was never any timebomb. Ever. A person was skimming the thread and did not read carefully. Sadly, an all-too-common problem in threads like this.

[SignOfZeta]

To all the title-screen/time bomb people here: If there was something on the title screen saying something to the effect of "Translated by so and so" and it was removed, the translation itself would still be HUGE evidence of who translated it. It's not like two different people/groups are going to translate it separately and have them be word-for-word exact.

I don't know why you are mentioning this.

[SamIAm]

To all the title-screen/time bomb people here: If there was something on the title screen saying something to the effect of "Translated by so and so" and it was removed, the translation itself would still be HUGE evidence of who translated it. It's not like two different people/groups are going to translate it separately and have them be word-for-word exact.

"Time-bomb" gives an inaccurate idea of what the concept is. It's something a bit different, and it has two parts.

First is to add a piece of code to the game's startup sequence that causes a message to be displayed, and to design this message to harsh the buzz of anyone who paid for a reproduction as much as possible. Something like:

"This is a non-profit fan-translation. The people who made it do not wish to see it bought or sold, and have not and will not ever accept money for it.

If you buy or sell a copy of this translation, you are disrespecting and damaging the entire community of translators and hackers who work hard to release fan-translations like these.

If you purchased this copy unknowingly, please return it, download a patch from romhacking.net, and use it to make your own CD-R."

Second is to add another piece of code to some loading sequence that occurs midway through the game. Say, a load before a major boss fight. This code will check to make sure that the first piece of code with the message has not been tampered with or bypassed. If it has been tampered with or bypassed, this second piece of code will go ahead and crash the game and delete the player's save file, possibly after making the player fight a boss with two-to-ten times his normal HP.

That doesn't explain people paying ridiculous prices for Exile WP. What's more important is that is has a cardboard sleeve.

I'm not talking about a couple of harder enemies. I'm talking about having the game freeze and nuke your save file halfway through a play if our anti-reproduction message is tampered with. Harder enemies could be added before the crash just to make people all the more frustrated. It's kind of a dick move, but hey, if it turns more people against bootleggers, I think it's all right.

Some people might buy a reproduction, see that message, and totally ignore it anyway. That's all right. There's nothing we can do about them. But I believe that some people have enough conscience to not want to give money to an obvious bootlegger.

[Emerald Rocker]

To all the title-screen/time bomb people here: If there was something on the title screen saying something to the effect of "Translated by so and so" and it was removed, the translation itself would still be HUGE evidence of who translated it. It's not like two different people/groups are going to translate it separately and have them be word-for-word exact.

Joe Redifer is right.  Translators should not consider placing their names anywhere in the game code.  Also, authors should stop putting their names on book covers and film credits should be abolished.  By analyzing the work itself, it's OBVIOUS who created it!

[esteban]

To all the title-screen/time bomb people here: If there was something on the title screen saying something to the effect of "Translated by so and so" and it was removed, the translation itself would still be HUGE evidence of who translated it. It's not like two different people/groups are going to translate it separately and have them be word-for-word exact.

Joe Redifer is right.  Translators should not consider placing their names anywhere in the game code.  Also, authors should stop putting their names on book covers and film credits should be abolished.  By analyzing the work itself, it's OBVIOUS who created it!

Dude, please read this thread.

Joe's comment was misinformed, and did not actually represent the proposal.

Please read my post, or SamIAm's post, just prior to yours.

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18596.msg396056#msg396056 (R.I.F.)

https://www.pcengine-fx.com/forums/index.php?topic=18596.msg396061#msg396061 (R.I.F.)

I am beginning to question the reading comprehension of everyone.

READING IS FUNDAMENTAL.

ASIDE: I can't excuse long-time members for their ignorance. They clearly have not been reading this thread. They just hop on a a runaway, ill-informed tangent.

I love Emerald and Joe, but...DAMN.

R.I.F.

[Gentlegamer]

I see Joe's bootleg Dungeon Explorer II showed up in the latest Game Sack...

[PCEngineHell]

I see Joe's bootleg Dungeon Explorer II showed up in the latest Game Sack...

Yeah, I think him and Bernie are somewhat current customers of Tobias. Bernie showed off his two Memories boxsets in a youtube video also. They are not the only ones here though that buy from Tobias...

[BlueBMW]

I bought some Sapphire discs from him... 

One positive maybe... when I did the sapphire disc giveaway thing, I asked tobias if I could get a copy of the case artwork files etc so I could make a not for resale version of them and then he sent me case insert artwork complete with a NO EBAY logo on it...  Nice gesture I thought.

[Emerald Rocker]

Joe's comment was misinformed, and did not actually represent the proposal.

...blah blah...

READING IS FUNDAMENTAL

My post was a joke at Joe's expense, but let's get SeRiOuS -- there's not much difference between a disclaimer that says "translated by so-and-so" and a disclaimer that says "<the translation> is freely available at blank.com".

Please re-read what you yourself wrote.

I love you Esteban, but... DAMN

[SignOfZeta]

I seriously don't even know what you guys are talking about. I'm not joking. I think you might be missing the whole fucking point of all of this.

Anyway,

While I'm not a coder, a hacker, a translator, a bootlegger, or a customer, I think SamIAm's strategy is far too scorched earth.

The idea is to educate noob fans that there is a world outside of eBay, and that nonprofit motives made this translation. The universe doesn't exist so that every single minute thing in it can be commodified and flipped for as large of a profit as possible. Tobias is not a content creator, an artist, or anything respectable as far as I know. (It would be pretty funny to find out that he cures cancer in babies for a living, but I'll take that risk. I assume he's a bank teller or a used car salesman or some other blood sucking parasite.) Rayforce took the money make from SO1 and used it to make SO2. Tobias will take all the money he makes from SO2, much more per copy that Rayfoce did, and buy a series of new televisions and XRGBs,  each larger than the one before. He won't make SO3, he mainly just makes a cardboard jacket and a bullshit hype story for the games and makes far more money off of them than the original publishers could have dreamed of. He is the bad guy, not the 19 year old lawyer children that buy this crap. Punishing the dumbass that bought the thing shouldn't be on the agenda. Making them fight jacked up bosses or deleting their save isn't going to do anything but piss them off. They aren't going to plow half way through the game, get completely fucked by malicious code, then suddenly be converted by the experience of having wasted 20 hours and $60 and then start all over again by locating the patch, appying it, and then playing through the first half of the game again.

It's like someone said, "We need to help the homeless!" and proposed the idea of just going to the local soup kitchen with a flamethrower and burning the whole place and everyone in it to the ground.

The idea, at least as I see it, would be to educate the noob as to where these things come from. The youth of today are so totally bought into a reality of everything being manufactured and for sale but at the same time also possessing nearly zero understanding of how it's made or where it comes from. It's highly unlikely that they make or create much of anything in their own lives. They don't know how how games are made or modified or bootlegged. They just know glossy cardboard hype and gilded coin bullshit. Why would it be any different? Run amok Capitalism has completely obliterated the connection between the value of work and their own lives since it's likely they don't even undertand WTF they do for a living. "Value" is something they only understand when its applied from amorphous external forces. eBay decides what things are worth. If these things are $60 on eBay (soon to be $600 on eBay) then they have value. A fan translation has no dollar value and therefore is worthless. Cardboard and gilded coins can't be dowloaded from The Pirate Bay so they have value. The idea would be to do whatever possible to tank this perspective, or lack thereof, at least to the extent that it applies to old-ass games.

WHEN IT COMES TO XAK III OR SO2 THERE COULD BE NOTHING MORE LEGIT THAN AN ORIGINAL JP COPY AND A CDR WITH THE ENG PATCH APPLIED. THERE IS EVEN SPACE FOR A CD-R IN THE GAME CASE ALREADY! THERE COULD BE NOTHING MORE FAKE THAN TOBIAS'S BULLSHIT CARDBOARD.

To make the message as non-counterproductive as possible I would suggest:

The message should be short, it should fit on a screen that already exists in the game, maybe a sub menu (thats a good one), maybe a title screen. No new screens, no new delays or pestering bullshit. Other areas of "not making the game worse" would be to not Vic with the gameplay and ruin what will likely be the only pressed English copies of this game that will ever exist. Keep in mind that the fan scene is far more important and long lasting than a revenge scheme you'll never even be able to experience first hand. If the game blows up the noobs will not get the window into the fan world I'm suggesting, they'll just be pissed off at it and the divide will grow. 10 years from now copies of these games will still be trading hands, do you want them to be worthless even after they are on their 14th owner and Tobias has been in jail for bond fraud for years? What would be the point of that?

I suggest: put them message in, put the kill switch in, if you have to. Every copy Tobias sells will be an ad for the actual translated ROM scene, pointing them away from him. If the pirate scum gets someone to remove the visual aspects of the code, have the code display a Donkey Kong Country-esque piracy notification at some point in the game freezing it in place.

And then, after Tobias has 1000 pissed off customers, after he stops selling the game, then release a fix. Keep in mind that these are pressed copies of cool games previously only available in Japanese. Wasting them all would pretty pretty uncool. No big deal to the guy that writes the code, but devastating to the schmucks that payed money for the stuff and were maybe really into the game before it had a temper tantrum and blew the fuck up. 

Possible ways to bring the broke games back to life could include; a downloadable ISO of a small program that patches the save file to skip past the blockage once loaded by the game, or a code that can be input with a controller.

Then, after Tobias gets all his money, you know, money, the most important thing in the world, and a thing that preferably a person would rather scheme and swindle to get instead of work because work is for idiots, after he gets that, he basically just took out an ad for the ROM hacking scene. If he hacked it, the fans will be rather put out that the game doesn't work and he won't be able to sell that exact CD for very long.

So in the end, the translation sees more use that it already has, the value of the game is highly unstable, and Tobias can go piss up a rope. Everyone wins.

[Joe Redifer]

My comment was not misinformed, it's right on the money. You guys are saying "Put your name or a disclaimer on the title screen so people won't rip off your translation." I'm saying that if someone DOES rip off your translation and removes your name from the title screen, the translation on said rip-off could still be proven as yours. It would be uploaded to Rom-hacking.net under your name, for example, and the translations would be the same. You guys read into my comment with things that I wasn't even remotely saying. Not surprised with the people in this thread, though.

I thought I was pretty clear but I guess not.

[Joe Redifer]

I see Joe's bootleg Dungeon Explorer II showed up in the latest Game Sack...

Yeah, I think him and Bernie are somewhat current customers of Tobias. Bernie showed off his two Memories boxsets in a youtube video also. They are not the only ones here though that buy from Tobias...

I missed this post. No, those were sent for free. We got the Godzilla set with the games that came in that as well as this latest Xak III set. He sends 10 press release sets out.

[PCEngineHell]

I see Joe's bootleg Dungeon Explorer II showed up in the latest Game Sack...

Yeah, I think him and Bernie are somewhat current customers of Tobias. Bernie showed off his two Memories boxsets in a youtube video also. They are not the only ones here though that buy from Tobias...

I missed this post. No, those were sent for free. We got the Godzilla set with the games that came in that as well as this latest Xak III set. He sends 10 press release sets out.

And you gave him some "free advertising" in your video by showing off his product. Hooray for you.

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[Gentlegamer]

So you're literally advertising bootlegs.

[poponon]

[Bernie]

I didn't show em off, least I don't think I did.  They just were on my game shelf in my game room video.

[PCEngineHell]

I didn't show em off, least I don't think I did.  They just were on my game shelf in my game room video. 

You may not have, at least in depth. I just remember seeing them when I glimpsed your game room video and was kinda disgusted with seeing them on the shelf there when you worked your way over to the PCE stuff. To be honest I tuned out at that point. I don't think it really matters. Point being, they were there, you supported him. Doesn't matter if someone is advertising for him in any sorta way, or buying from him. Both are equally bad. Both are helping him make money and fund his activity.

[CGQuarterly]

As long as you're putting together a list of people who possess these sets, I have both of them as well.  If there's going to be a witch hunt, I wouldn't want to be left out while Bernie and Joe are being burned at the stake.

[Emerald Rocker]

Cool, I knew I had planted a third stake in the ground for a reason.

[Bernie]

[PCEngineHell]

I'm going to put it bluntly. Tobias went out of his way to fuck this community about 10 years back. He put his Sapphires out on the market and fabricated a lot of bullshit to fool people in this community. He also wreaked a small amount of havoc on import shops and unsuspecting ebay buyers who ended up with copies of his game, thinking they were legit.  He is an enemy of the Turbografx/PCE community. There is no ifs, ands, or buts about it. He isn't doing this as a favor to any of you. His only goal making scratch, profiting from your foolishness.

Supporting this guy in any sort of way, shape, or form makes you an accomplice of sorts in my eyes. It doesn't matter if he is making it clear said wares are repros now. He is still a cunt and you are financing him and his ventures in one fashion or another. He is still selling IP that isn't his. You are still buying it knowing as much. You are still advertising his shit in some form. Doesn't matter if its as a glimpse on a shelf in a youtube video, a full review, or even at the end of one in some stupid skit. You simply don't care if its right or not. All you care about is that your got your magical fucking pressed copy box sets.

You supporting him is giving us, the ones he screwed or tried to screw over at one point or another, the finger.

[VestCunt]

As long as you're putting together a list of people who possess these sets, I have both of them as well.  If there's going to be a witch hunt, I wouldn't want to be left out while Bernie and Joe are being burned at the stake.

Witch hunt or no, supporting Foduh is retarded. Don't let your dislike for a few members' strong words turn it into a source of pride. You, Bernie, and Joe are good guys, but PCEFX members that support/own this stuff should be called out and get your heads checked.

[PCEngineHell]

As long as you're putting together a list of people who possess these sets, I have both of them as well.  If there's going to be a witch hunt, I wouldn't want to be left out while Bernie and Joe are being burned at the stake.

Just stating it like it is. No need for a witch hunt, because in the end it will work itself out, and honestly its pretty obvious you guys don't give one fucking iota about the outcome anyway. Its you guys that have to live with the ramifications now of all of this, whether you want to accept responsibility for it or not. If translators decide to stop translating PCE games for fear that Tobias will just sell their work, its you that is going to suffer in the end. Tobias will have already made his scratch and moved on to the next system to plunder and left you fucking behind to wallow in the filth of it all.

EDIT: Oh yeah, reminds me, didn't Fudoh try to do a large sale of bootleg SFC Nightmare Busters at one point, before he got his shit shut down by the current IP owners?

[Bernie]

Well, thats where you have me wrong.  I do take issue with his recent stealing of translations, so yes I guess I do have to share in part of the blame of enabling.  I don't know why he did what he did, I don't know why he lied about Sapphire boots back then. I wasn't even here then.  If I could do it over again, I wouldn't buy em...but I did.  Some of you guys are friends of mine, and maybe I take things a little too much to heart.  But, I do care about folks not translating future projects.  I doubt that happens, although it may change how things are released in the future.