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WTB: Military Madness Loose

Started by mrhaboobi, 09/06/2015, 05:49 PM

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mrhaboobi

As some of you know i have been clearing out alot of my collections, i recently sold a complete military madness, seems on arrival the hu doesnt work.. anyways in order to avoid issues im just going to replace the hu card, so wondering if anyone has a loose hu i can buy to pass onto this person.  Let me know.

Thanks
Looking for (MINT ONLY)
US Manual : Magical Chase, Shockman 
US Box : Turrican,  Soldier Blade, New Adventure Island, Neutopia II
Other : Sapphire OBI, Turbo Play Aug/Sept 90, April/May 92, Turbo Edge Spring 90

PC Engine Special Cards : Bomberman User Battle

Alydnes Super Grafx

wildfruit

I reckon you're better off refunding by the time it gets to you and you then pass it on.

o.pwuaioc

Quote from: wildfruit on 09/07/2015, 06:53 AMI reckon you're better off refunding by the time it gets to you and you then pass it on.
He could have them send it directly to them.

mrhaboobi

that was the plan, to buy one and send direct to the person..  no point me having it sent to me :)
Looking for (MINT ONLY)
US Manual : Magical Chase, Shockman 
US Box : Turrican,  Soldier Blade, New Adventure Island, Neutopia II
Other : Sapphire OBI, Turbo Play Aug/Sept 90, April/May 92, Turbo Edge Spring 90

PC Engine Special Cards : Bomberman User Battle

Alydnes Super Grafx

Sparky


LostFlunky


mrhaboobi

cool thanks for that..  thats exactly where it is, as you can see i had/have a fair bit to offload so just dumped it on ebay and let the market set the pricing rather than haggle back and forward on the forums, as i hadnt actually bought and sold for ages i didnt know what to offer items for and no one seemed to be keen to trade for any of the last bits i wanted.  these were my trade items, im keeping my tg collection, the other stuff is my actual collection which im getting rid of..
Looking for (MINT ONLY)
US Manual : Magical Chase, Shockman 
US Box : Turrican,  Soldier Blade, New Adventure Island, Neutopia II
Other : Sapphire OBI, Turbo Play Aug/Sept 90, April/May 92, Turbo Edge Spring 90

PC Engine Special Cards : Bomberman User Battle

Alydnes Super Grafx

Sparky

Ya thanks, i missed that..

eBay gets you the most money for the stuff you got off of forums. Whatever..
It is all about the money these days. I will leave it at that.. Good luck with yours sales.




PCEngineHell

#8
Quote from: mrhaboobi on 09/07/2015, 10:01 PMcool thanks for that..  thats exactly where it is, as you can see i had/have a fair bit to offload so just dumped it on ebay and let the market set the pricing rather than haggle back and forward on the forums, as i hadnt actually bought and sold for ages i didnt know what to offer items for and no one seemed to be keen to trade for any of the last bits i wanted.  these were my trade items, im keeping my tg collection, the other stuff is my actual collection which im getting rid of..
So why don't you just get on ebay and let the market set the pricing for a loose hucard rather than haggle back and forward on the forums for one. I mean seriously, you're basically saying we are not good enough to sell to, because of haggling or whatever reason, but you want one of us to bail you out because your game arrived defective???    :-k

o.pwuaioc

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 09/07/2015, 11:08 PM
Quote from: mrhaboobi on 09/07/2015, 10:01 PMcool thanks for that..  thats exactly where it is, as you can see i had/have a fair bit to offload so just dumped it on ebay and let the market set the pricing rather than haggle back and forward on the forums, as i hadnt actually bought and sold for ages i didnt know what to offer items for and no one seemed to be keen to trade for any of the last bits i wanted.  these were my trade items, im keeping my tg collection, the other stuff is my actual collection which im getting rid of..
So why don't you just get on ebay and let the market set the pricing for a loose hucard rather than haggle back and forward on the forums for one. I mean seriously, youre basically saying were were not good enough to sell to, because of haggling or whatever reason, but you want one of us to bail you out because your game arrived defective???    :-k
QFT.

PCEngineHell

Quote from: guest on 09/07/2015, 11:10 PM
Quote from: PCEngineHell on 09/07/2015, 11:08 PM
Quote from: mrhaboobi on 09/07/2015, 10:01 PMcool thanks for that..  thats exactly where it is, as you can see i had/have a fair bit to offload so just dumped it on ebay and let the market set the pricing rather than haggle back and forward on the forums, as i hadnt actually bought and sold for ages i didnt know what to offer items for and no one seemed to be keen to trade for any of the last bits i wanted.  these were my trade items, im keeping my tg collection, the other stuff is my actual collection which im getting rid of..
So why don't you just get on ebay and let the market set the pricing for a loose hucard rather than haggle back and forward on the forums for one. I mean seriously, youre basically saying were were not good enough to sell to, because of haggling or whatever reason, but you want one of us to bail you out because your game arrived defective???    :-k
QFT.
Yeah guy is just leaving me scratching my head on this.

mrhaboobi

Guys, this thread and the attitudes expressed are why i didnt sell here, actually i tried to sell other items here in the forums, and pretty much got no interest, or people wanting to low ball, and some of you actually bought my auctions on ebay and were happy with the gear and prices paid.  would love for some of those guys to stand up and say "i bought and im happy"

So why didnt i sell here

1. People bitch at pricing, you cant win here, flames no matter what
2. people wanted to haggle ( sorry i didnt know current pricing ) when i asked for offers i got stupid offers, give me an actual offer and i may have taken it
3. people showed no interest in gear.

Sorry people, i listed on ebay, every auction sold, everything went up in price significantly more than the starting bids, i listed the gear to sell, you had a chance, everyone had the same chance, but clearly you wanted it handed to you on a plate.

Sparky as for your comment, ( and i fully expected it ) i didnt buy anything from the forums, nothing sold came from this forum, but of course you wont believe that. 

As for this request, yes i asked if anyone had a hu card to sell, did i ask for a low price? NO.. did i suggest i didnt want to go to ebay and pay the prices NO, am i asking you to bail me out, hell no, i figured it was probably easier to buy from someone here  and get it shipped directly, at least i trusted the people here to do that.., i was trying to help this buyer out who go something that didnt work on arrival, no questions asked..  this forum just seems to be full of spoiled brats who want to pay diddly squat for items or abuse people who dont sell directly here.  Im here looking to buy an item to send to someone who bought something that said it didnt work, trying to make sure they are happy, yet i get told im all about the money.. and so you flame me, im essentially going to give the guy the game for free and pay to cover shipping and you flame me..  grow up people..
Looking for (MINT ONLY)
US Manual : Magical Chase, Shockman 
US Box : Turrican,  Soldier Blade, New Adventure Island, Neutopia II
Other : Sapphire OBI, Turbo Play Aug/Sept 90, April/May 92, Turbo Edge Spring 90

PC Engine Special Cards : Bomberman User Battle

Alydnes Super Grafx

PCEngineHell

I couldnt give a flying fuck if you are all about the money or not. The thing is this was your philosophy, the whole "let the ebay market set the pricing", so just fucking stick to it.  Issue the buyer a partial refund and have them track their own replacement down, or just pay for a prepaid shipping label and have them send the item back for a full refund.

As for your totally unnecessary rant, I buy on ebay all the time. I have no issues with ebay. The problem here stems from your clear disdain for selling to us on this forum, but being perfectly fine with ebay, opting for ebay instead of being willing to deal with us on a personal level. I mean honestly I am not interested at all in selling to a guy on here that isn't willing to sell to me, especially one who clearly loathes this place and many of its members.

And I mean come the fuck on. First you say you were not sure of the current going rates because you had not bought or sold in awhile, but in the same stroke you felt like you had enough knowledge of the current market situation to decide certain offers made to you were "stupid" as you put it.

I am sorry that things like personal pms back and forth that contain things like price negotiations are too much for you to handle, but again, this is a mrhaboobi problem, not a PCEFX one. Go back to fucking ebay and take care of your business.

mrhaboobi

thanks for your words of wisdom..  as always such elegant responses.. cant exactly say my post was a rant, but guess thats your opinion

as an example of low balling, i know that $5 for an item going for 10 fold on forum sales is kinda taking the piss, i didn't have time to deal with that, current situation dictated that i get stuff sold quickly and with at least issues as possible..  funnily enough i sold alot of my items to these forum members here, some even contacted me during auctions.

I also sold to forum members privately on atari age and nintendo age ( while i was selling atari and nintendo stuff), two forums where members seem to understand the market value and provide fair offers, and by fair im not talking ebay pricing either, cos ebay is a pain.. especially for international sales.. 

Sorry you felt you were excluded.  i cant do much about that, had i of listed a post with a link to the auctions someone would have complained regardless.. its the nature of this forum.  and it seems to be restricted in general the us tg 16 forums, the pce parts seems to be more civil..

Im still looking for a loose hu to buy , if someone has one and is happy to ship to a different buyer address then please pm me, otherwise i'll just grab one from ebay.  Thanks
Looking for (MINT ONLY)
US Manual : Magical Chase, Shockman 
US Box : Turrican,  Soldier Blade, New Adventure Island, Neutopia II
Other : Sapphire OBI, Turbo Play Aug/Sept 90, April/May 92, Turbo Edge Spring 90

PC Engine Special Cards : Bomberman User Battle

Alydnes Super Grafx

mrhaboobi

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 09/07/2015, 11:08 PM
Quote from: mrhaboobi on 09/07/2015, 10:01 PMcool thanks for that..  thats exactly where it is, as you can see i had/have a fair bit to offload so just dumped it on ebay and let the market set the pricing rather than haggle back and forward on the forums, as i hadnt actually bought and sold for ages i didnt know what to offer items for and no one seemed to be keen to trade for any of the last bits i wanted.  these were my trade items, im keeping my tg collection, the other stuff is my actual collection which im getting rid of..
So why don't you just get on ebay and let the market set the pricing for a loose hucard rather than haggle back and forward on the forums for one. I mean seriously, you're basically saying we are not good enough to sell to, because of haggling or whatever reason, but you want one of us to bail you out because your game arrived defective???    :-k
umm where exactly have i haggled?  back and forward.. calling bullshit on this.. sorry
Looking for (MINT ONLY)
US Manual : Magical Chase, Shockman 
US Box : Turrican,  Soldier Blade, New Adventure Island, Neutopia II
Other : Sapphire OBI, Turbo Play Aug/Sept 90, April/May 92, Turbo Edge Spring 90

PC Engine Special Cards : Bomberman User Battle

Alydnes Super Grafx

wildfruit

You seemed ok to haggle when I was selling a pce converter?
You wanted it shipped for free?
Also I find it hard to believe someone here offered you $5 for a $50 item on here

o.pwuaioc

Quote from: wildfruit on 09/08/2015, 12:45 AMYou seemed ok to haggle when I was selling a pce converter?
You wanted it shipped for free?
Also I find it hard to believe someone here offered you $5 for a $50 item on here
It's the hypocrisy of it all.  ](*,)

PCEngineHell

You have not haggled because no one has contacted you with one for sale. Eventually you will have to if you don't lay out a price you are willing to pay. As for the other stuff, yes, you are ranting, and yes, you are a hypocrite.

mrhaboobi

ahh what have i bought through these forums..

1. a group by on the turbo ever drive..
2. magical chase box bought privately in a pm ( actually traded a ton of stuff )
3. ..... trying to think what else..
4. numerous home brew games to support those devs.

What have i sold here
1. Some manuals.

What have a given away 2 bundles including international shipping for free.

Yup im a hypocrite.

I remember the good old days of this site, many many years ago..

Wildfruit, by the way i dont remember the conversation we had, i probably have them in my pms as would you, i made you an offer, you didnt accept i dont remember me bitching.. as for shipping for free, again i cant remember that, you probably have a pm and will cut and past, but i dont think i would have asked you for free international shipping.. maybe i did.. but i dont remember me bitching when you said no..
Looking for (MINT ONLY)
US Manual : Magical Chase, Shockman 
US Box : Turrican,  Soldier Blade, New Adventure Island, Neutopia II
Other : Sapphire OBI, Turbo Play Aug/Sept 90, April/May 92, Turbo Edge Spring 90

PC Engine Special Cards : Bomberman User Battle

Alydnes Super Grafx

mrhaboobi

Quote from: wildfruit on 09/08/2015, 12:45 AMYou seemed ok to haggle when I was selling a pce converter?
You wanted it shipped for free?
Also I find it hard to believe someone here offered you $5 for a $50 item on here
here's the response i had from you. but i dont have what i sent..

"I'm willing to meet you halfway on that for £55 gbp shipped".

so i dont know what i offered..  or how i responded.
Looking for (MINT ONLY)
US Manual : Magical Chase, Shockman 
US Box : Turrican,  Soldier Blade, New Adventure Island, Neutopia II
Other : Sapphire OBI, Turbo Play Aug/Sept 90, April/May 92, Turbo Edge Spring 90

PC Engine Special Cards : Bomberman User Battle

Alydnes Super Grafx

wildfruit

#20
Quote from: mrhaboobi on 09/08/2015, 12:56 AM
Quote from: wildfruit on 09/08/2015, 12:45 AMYou seemed ok to haggle when I was selling a pce converter?
You wanted it shipped for free?
Also I find it hard to believe someone here offered you $5 for a $50 item on here
here's the response i had from you. but i dont have what i sent..

"I'm willing to meet you halfway on that for £55 gbp shipped".

so i dont know what i offered..  or how i responded.
I didn't recieve a response
Edit
You messaged me this
Hey mate

would you consider an offer of 50 gbp incl shipping?  thats about an even $100 in my currency

PCEngineHell

Quote from: mrhaboobi on 09/08/2015, 12:52 AMahh what have i bought through these forums..

1. a group by on the turbo ever drive..
2. magical chase box bought privately in a pm ( actually traded a ton of stuff )
3. ..... trying to think what else..
4. numerous home brew games to support those devs.

What have i sold here
1. Some manuals.

What have a given away 2 bundles including international shipping for free.

Yup im a hypocrite.

I remember the good old days of this site, many many years ago..

Wildfruit, by the way i dont remember the conversation we had, i probably have them in my pms as would you, i made you an offer, you didnt accept i dont remember me bitching.. as for shipping for free, again i cant remember that, you probably have a pm and will cut and past, but i dont think i would have asked you for free international shipping.. maybe i did.. but i dont remember me bitching when you said no..
You're a hypocrite for opting for ebay to list your warez because of your ebay fair market value philosophy, then coming back here to ask to buy something to fix one of your ebay problems, because when its your dime on the line, you're seemingly no longer willing to pay the ebay market value... In the exact same thread the people you are hoping will help you, you are expressing disdain for and calling some of them brats.

As for the good ole days, try being here longer then 2008. You have no idea what the good ole days even were.  :roll:

mrhaboobi

Quote from: PCEngineHell on 09/08/2015, 01:00 AM
Quote from: mrhaboobi on 09/08/2015, 12:52 AMahh what have i bought through these forums..

1. a group by on the turbo ever drive..
2. magical chase box bought privately in a pm ( actually traded a ton of stuff )
3. ..... trying to think what else..
4. numerous home brew games to support those devs.

What have i sold here
1. Some manuals.

What have a given away 2 bundles including international shipping for free.

Yup im a hypocrite.

I remember the good old days of this site, many many years ago..

Wildfruit, by the way i dont remember the conversation we had, i probably have them in my pms as would you, i made you an offer, you didnt accept i dont remember me bitching.. as for shipping for free, again i cant remember that, you probably have a pm and will cut and past, but i dont think i would have asked you for free international shipping.. maybe i did.. but i dont remember me bitching when you said no..
You're a hypocrite for opting for ebay to list your warez because of your ebay fair market value philosophy, then coming back here to ask to buy something to fix one of your ebay problems, because when its your dime on the line, you're seemingly no longer willing to pay the ebay market value... In the exact same thread the people you are hoping will help you, you are expressing disdain for and calling some of them brats.

As for the good ole days, try being here longer then 2008. You have no idea what the good ole days even were.  :roll:
hmm my friend iv been here before 2008, of course at one point when the entire site died my account also died.. ive been here for a bloody long time.. 2008.. i laugh at that..  you all make me laugh..  like i said "grow up"..

as for ebay vs here, i was happy to pay ebay prices, to anyone here.. but buying on ebay is a challenge for people with international accounts, hence sometimes you cant buy the items you want, so i figured ask here, someone will have a loose one, i'll offer them good money for it..
Looking for (MINT ONLY)
US Manual : Magical Chase, Shockman 
US Box : Turrican,  Soldier Blade, New Adventure Island, Neutopia II
Other : Sapphire OBI, Turbo Play Aug/Sept 90, April/May 92, Turbo Edge Spring 90

PC Engine Special Cards : Bomberman User Battle

Alydnes Super Grafx


PCEngineHell

#24
You clearly have some loathing going on here, so why are you even bothering with this? Also, no one else's account seemed to die when the site went down. WTF are you even talking about? The site didn't even go down till just a few years ago, after I closed my original account here. Your account you are posting from list it as being from 2008. The site going down happened after that, not before.

Again, just go back to ebay. I suspect interest in helping you here is going to be nil. If they do, I am sure they will send you a pm, so you can stop ranting about how you hate selling here now, and how you feel we are spoiled brats, etc. You will either get a pm, or you wont.

johnnykonami

My despair grows for ever getting my own copy of Military Madness.  Just checked ebay prices.. There is a boxed one for $100, I think if I had it to spare I would probably just pull the trigger.  Awareness (and prices) seem to be growing exponentially.

PCEngineHell

I just play the PCE one. Its not one of those games you'd have problems playing due to some language barrier.

MotherGunner

For all the money being made on Ebay via your sales, you can definitely afford to keep this issue contained there.

/two cents
-MG

SI VIS PACEM, PARA BELLUM (If you want peace, Prepare for war)
SI VIS BELLUM, PARA MATRIMONIUM (If you want war, Prepare for marriage)

mrhaboobi

Again it's not about money I've not said can someone sell me one cheap, it's the fact some sellers won't sell internationally making eBay out of the option.  At least here I knew someone wouldn't mind shipping local and me paying.  Anyways whatever, I'm not going to carry on this thread, my games were listed cheap enough to gather lots of bids and interest, I didn't set the market rates, I don't have to justify anything to this forum.  To those who did buy my games, thank you, I hope your gear arrived and u were happy.
Looking for (MINT ONLY)
US Manual : Magical Chase, Shockman 
US Box : Turrican,  Soldier Blade, New Adventure Island, Neutopia II
Other : Sapphire OBI, Turbo Play Aug/Sept 90, April/May 92, Turbo Edge Spring 90

PC Engine Special Cards : Bomberman User Battle

Alydnes Super Grafx

wildfruit

This issue is entirely separate from the actual monetary value.
My point is you said you didn't want the haggling but you were quite happy to haggle with me. I wouldn't have been offended if you said no, you said nothing. It's not the issue that you sold the things on ebay without offering here, that's your business, but don't expect help afterwards. Just get the buyer to send it back and refund their money. Simplest solution.

o.pwuaioc

What's wrong with the seller I linked you to? He ships to, and I quote, "United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Denmark, Romania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Finland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Estonia, Australia, Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, Slovenia, Japan, China, Sweden, Korea, South, Indonesia, Taiwan, Thailand, Belgium, France, Hong Kong, Ireland, Netherlands, Poland, Spain, Italy, Germany, Austria, Russian Federation, Israel, Mexico, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Switzerland, Norway, Saudi Arabia, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, Croatia, Republic of, Malaysia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Panama, Trinidad and Tobago, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Jamaica."

Does that not cover it?

NecroPhile

Quote from: mrhaboobi on 09/07/2015, 11:43 PMGuys, this thread and the attitudes expressed are why i didnt sell here, actually i tried to sell other items here in the forums, and pretty much got no interest, or people wanting to low ball.....
Looking at the past three years of topics started by you, the only for sale threads I can find are for a molded Turbob case and some Dreamcast stuff.  Are you really surprised that interest levels weren't off the charts?  One is a rare, likely pricey thing that casual collectors aren't going to spring for, and the other is FEKA stuff that many of us don't buy for at all.
Ultimate Forum Bully/Thief/Saboteur/Clone Warrior! BURN IN HELL NECROPHUCK!!!

mrhaboobi

Quote from: guest on 09/08/2015, 08:17 AMWhat's wrong with the seller I linked you to? He ships to, and I quote, "United States, Canada, United Kingdom, Denmark, Romania, Slovakia, Bulgaria, Czech Republic, Finland, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Malta, Estonia, Australia, Greece, Portugal, Cyprus, Slovenia, Japan, China, Sweden, Korea, South, Indonesia, Taiwan, Thailand, Belgium, France, Hong Kong, Ireland, Netherlands, Poland, Spain, Italy, Germany, Austria, Russian Federation, Israel, Mexico, New Zealand, Philippines, Singapore, Switzerland, Norway, Saudi Arabia, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, Croatia, Republic of, Malaysia, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica, Dominican Republic, Panama, Trinidad and Tobago, Guatemala, El Salvador, Honduras, Jamaica."

Does that not cover it?
yes it does and ive got them in my watch list and will be asking them the question :)  thanks
Looking for (MINT ONLY)
US Manual : Magical Chase, Shockman 
US Box : Turrican,  Soldier Blade, New Adventure Island, Neutopia II
Other : Sapphire OBI, Turbo Play Aug/Sept 90, April/May 92, Turbo Edge Spring 90

PC Engine Special Cards : Bomberman User Battle

Alydnes Super Grafx

mrhaboobi

Quote from: wildfruit on 09/08/2015, 04:43 AMThis issue is entirely separate from the actual monetary value.
My point is you said you didn't want the haggling but you were quite happy to haggle with me. I wouldn't have been offended if you said no, you said nothing. It's not the issue that you sold the things on ebay without offering here, that's your business, but don't expect help afterwards. Just get the buyer to send it back and refund their money. Simplest solution.
Wildfruit i take your point.. sorry... The simple solution actually isnt the simple solution, mainly due to international shipping etc.. ( in my experience alot of people seem to be scared to go to the local post office and send something overseas due to a couple of forms to fill in ).. that may not be the case this time, i actually wanted to make sure thy just got a working game..  i'll just go to ebay.

as for haggling with you.  one offer wasnt really a haggle and im sorry i didnt respond to your offer, but to be honest right now i dont have the energy to do the haggling, alot of stuff in my personal life going on ( yup always a convenient excuse), and i just need to offload the gear as quick and simply as possible, hence the reason you will have seen atari, famicom, turbo, dreamcast, genesis, mega cd, yarozes, psx debugs being sold off this isnt just a one system little clear out, its pretty much a majority collection sell off  and what im trying to avoid is totally selling everything ( i want to keep my tg16 stuff )..  but i have to lighten the load and do that as painlessly as possible.


i was surprised no one was interested in the molded case, that was a bit of a suprise, i did expect to get some questions, but nothing, once listed elsewhere there was alot of interest, i pretty much pegged this place as being a forum of community based people, who like to play the games, but not always prepared to spend money on the more expensive items, alot of my gear was boxes and manuals, and i know paper and cardboard isnt really that desirable here, hence the reason i didnt offer it here aswell..

anyways enough of my ranting.  close the thread if you like, or continue to flame, whatever makes you feel best..
Looking for (MINT ONLY)
US Manual : Magical Chase, Shockman 
US Box : Turrican,  Soldier Blade, New Adventure Island, Neutopia II
Other : Sapphire OBI, Turbo Play Aug/Sept 90, April/May 92, Turbo Edge Spring 90

PC Engine Special Cards : Bomberman User Battle

Alydnes Super Grafx

o.pwuaioc

Quote from: mrhaboobi on 09/08/2015, 04:33 PMi pretty much pegged this place as being a forum of community based people, who like to play the games, but not always prepared to spend money on the more expensive items, alot of my gear was boxes and manuals, and i know paper and cardboard isnt really that desirable here, hence the reason i didnt offer it here aswell..
In the past couple months I bought US Soldier Blade, Splatterhouse, and Rondo of Blood. People here spend money. Several bought Rondo this month, and the price on that isn't low.

But no one cares that you choose to sell your stuff on ebay. The problem is that you go there for all your stuff, and then you come here in a bind, and then before anyone has said anything at all, you insult us. That's shitty.

Quoteanyways enough of my ranting.  close the thread if you like, or continue to flame, whatever makes you feel best..
If you modify your post, then go to other options, you can close it yourself.