Just got into the Wonderswan/Colour and wanna talk about it

[Arkhan Asylum]

RPGs always cost a shitload.   Phantasy Star 2 was like 100$.

Cartridges sucked back then for large things.

Even something as goobered out as Beyond the Beyond is better than any RPG N64 would've ever managed, probably.

That reminds me, FFVII cost like 4000 yen less than FFVI, I think. Devs like that too.

PS II was like $50. PSIV was $99.99 USD because Sega wanted to prove Americans don't like RPGs. The JP version was like 6800 yen I think, much cheaper, and by that point the Genesis market was bigger than JP Megadrive by a mile.

The highest price I ever saw on a US cart RPG was Chrono Trigger at, I think, $82.99, which was EB. Nobody else charged that much for it that I saw.

I swear Phantasy Star 2 cost alot, too.  I know PS4 was alot.

Chrono Trigger was 74.99 when I cried my way into getting it as a 7 year old. 

Man that shit ruled. 

N64 games were always like 10$ more than PS1 equivalents.    lol, and the wrestling games sucked on N64.     I remember my friend being really mad that he had garbage versions of intro music while PS1 was perfectly fine.

[CrackTiger]

Phantasy Star II was expensive, I pre-ordered it.

The price was mentioned in mags at the time. Maybe if they didn't feel the need to include a full guide book it would have been cheaper, but they likely weren't expecting it to sell well.

PSIV was just that much more overpriced as a Genesis game when it came out. It was $135 CAD here (at Zellers), but FFIII and Chrono Trigger were $130 around that period. Earthbound was $100 at the same store and even in the big city, Super Mario RPG was like $150 when it was released.

[DragonmasterDan]

Yea, but a full 3D RPG on N64... how much would that have cost, and how would it have compared to a PS1 game that was cheaper, with more features?

A full 2D one would have been doable for sure, but then, how well would that have sold on the "OMFG 3D N64!!11123"?

I recall a few games like Resident Evil 2 (a two disc PSone game) coming out on N64 and it was about 80.00, so it could definitely happen but it would be pricey.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Yeah, thinking about a game like Legend of Legaia on N64 makes me go "damn that'd be nuts"

[PukeSter]

I said I would post it, so here's my N64 library!

30 games, including a lot of the classics. A couple dupes or sports games though. Wish I still had some of my former games like Banjo Kazooie, F-Zero and Majora's Mask.

Still plenty of games I'd like to own. High on the list are Hydro Thunder, Bomberman 64, and Duke Nukem. Bangai-O is a pipe dream.

Only got these 3 controllers, the default, the Makopad and the Hori. I'd love to own an Ice Blue n64 someday.

Nice to be home from college for a few days for break. I finally finished Turok 3, which I was going to do last summer but got hung up on the finally level somewhere. Got some Diddy Kong Racing and Mortal Kombat 4 multiplayer in as well.

[Arkhan Asylum]

lol, that bed full of carts tells a sad tale of games that could've been better.

[crazydean]

I said I would post it, so here's my N64 library!

30 games, including a lot of the classics. A couple dupes or sports games though. Wish I still had some of my former games like Banjo Kazooie, F-Zero and Majora's Mask.

Still plenty of games I'd like to own. High on the list are Hydro Thunder, Bomberman 64, and Duke Nukem. Bangai-O is a pipe dream.

Only got these 3 controllers, the default, the Makopad and the Hori. I'd love to own an Ice Blue n64 someday.

Nice to be home from college for a few days for break. I finally finished Turok 3, which I was going to do last summer but got hung up on the finally level somewhere. Got some Diddy Kong Racing and Mortal Kombat 4 multiplayer in as well.

How do you like that Makopad? Does it feel well made?

You have a lot of great games there. Some of my favorites there are Shadows of the Empire, Mario 64, Ocarina of Time, Tony Hawk 2, Smash Bros, and Rayman 2. Some others that I liked were Chameleon Twist 1 & 2, Space Station Silicon Valley, Pokemon Snap, and Conker's Bad Fur Day.

I know everyone hates the N64, but there were some great exclusives on the system. To be fair, there wasn't much in the way of RPGs or shooters, but there were some fun adventure and platformer games. Many of which still haven't been re-released.

[CrackTiger]

I don't think that anyone cares enough negatively to hate the N64 and the few who do are console war motivated. The biggest problem it has image-wise is the insane hype and revisionism by its devout worshippers.

[PukeSter]

How do you like that Makopad? Does it feel well made?

Build quality is solid although it is a bit quirky. Both the motion of the stick and the dpad shape are a bit wide.

I don't think that anyone cares enough negatively to hate the N64 and the few who do are console war motivated. The biggest problem it has image-wise is the insane hype and revisionism by its devout worshippers.

Yeah, to be fair I didn't grow up with an N64. So unlike others who had to sit through droughts, I can play pretty much anything on there without having to wait. It must have been torturous waiting 8 months extra for every Tony Hawk port to come out! Still way better than having a Wii U.

I think the gamecube has worse revisionism than the N64. At least "some" of the n64's multiplats were the best versions, and 1st party was truly excellent. The only series missing was Metroid, but the Turok games had a lot of the same developers behind the Prime series. I personally feel Nintendo wasn't as strong on the Gamecube, at least with Mario and Zelda (exception being Melee), and the 3rd party games were mostly ps2 ports.

[SignOfZeta]

I think 1st party Cube games are way better than N64s. 3rd party is super bad on both but even there my favorites are Cube.

I'm no Cube superfan, I really only care about maybe a dozen games, but those are games I really really like.

Somewhat separate/related to that; the Cube seemed like it was fairly well planned and executed except for there being crap for 3rd party. The Gameboy Player looked like it was made to go there all along, the controller was really good for everything but old school games and fighters. Load times are still very very good on 1st party titles, almost non existent. They did a great job. The N64 on the other hand was designed for "Mario 64 and...whatever we come up with after the system launches." and kind was in a controlled high profit crash dive from the beginning.

The N64 was the beginning of Nintendo and their fans pretending 3rd parties don't matter. The Cube was less problematic in that area, IMO.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I remember that Starfox game on Gamecube was both fun and fucking annoying at the same time

WHY ISN'T THIS METROID ---> me, while playing it.


I remember Gamecube being disappointing as hell when I got it, mainly because of the lack of RPG presence, as fucking usual with Nintendo anymore.

n64 turned them into a company that blasts out 4 player party machines that assume you have friends.

assholes.

[HuMan]

So the real problem is you have no friends?

[SignOfZeta]

I remember that Starfox game on Gamecube was both fun and fucking annoying at the same time

WHY ISN'T THIS METROID ---> me, while playing it.


I remember Gamecube being disappointing as hell when I got it, mainly because of the lack of RPG presence, as fucking usual with Nintendo anymore.

n64 turned them into a company that blasts out 4 player party machines that assume you have friends.

assholes.

The Cube has like 4 real RPGs, which is 4 more than the N64.

I don't remember if I even played a Cube Star Fox game, I hated the N64 one sooooo much, and then Furries blew up, so I guess I don't care about that series any more.

[crazydean]

The Cube has like 4 real RPGs, which is 4 more than the N64.

Don't forget Quest 64!

[SignOfZeta]

I'm not forgetting it, I've disqualified it. I'd rather play early Cosmic Fantasy games.

[Gypsy]

I think 1st party Cube games are way better than N64s. 3rd party is super bad on both but even there my favorites are Cube.

I'm no Cube superfan, I really only care about maybe a dozen games, but those are games I really really like.

Somewhat separate/related to that; the Cube seemed like it was fairly well planned and executed except for there being crap for 3rd party. The Gameboy Player looked like it was made to go there all along, the controller was really good for everything but old school games and fighters. Load times are still very very good on 1st party titles, almost non existent. They did a great job. The N64 on the other hand was designed for "Mario 64 and...whatever we come up with after the system launches." and kind was in a controlled high profit crash dive from the beginning.

The N64 was the beginning of Nintendo and their fans pretending 3rd parties don't matter. The Cube was less problematic in that area, IMO.

Yeah the Gamecube is a fun system. Like you said the controller works for just about everything, including every game you'd want to play on the system anyway.

Honestly if the system only had Fire Emblem Path of Radiance I'd keep it. That game is that much of a favourite of mine. However it also has a lot of other fun games. Mario Sunshine was enjoyable, it introduced Pikmin, had stuff like Metroid Prime, Tales of Symphonia etc... Also some solid ports of Dreamcast games but that was never a big deal for me, I have those games on Dreamcast.

Due to the size of the game library though, it's probably my second least played console of that gen (behind the Xbox which nobody played). Which accounts for multiple Fire Emblem runs and lots of time on Mario Kart and Smash Bros. The total game libraries of the PS2 and Dreamcast were just much more appealing to me.

I've certainly played it way more than the N64 though. Especially after the year 2001 or so. I played a lot of the better N64 titles when they were fresh. When I was younger they were amazing. Every time I try to go back to play one I'm generally like NOPE. I did somehow get through a replay of Banjo Kazooie this year. The end of that game was just as annoying as I remember as a kid too.

Phantasy Star II was expensive, I pre-ordered it.

The price was mentioned in mags at the time. Maybe if they didn't feel the need to include a full guide book it would have been cheaper, but they likely weren't expecting it to sell well.

PSIV was just that much more overpriced as a Genesis game when it came out. It was $135 CAD here (at Zellers), but FFIII and Chrono Trigger were $130 around that period. Earthbound was $100 at the same store and even in the big city, Super Mario RPG was like $150 when it was released.

We are spoiled now.

Oh and OP, nice thread. I've never really delved into the games for this system so it was interesting for me to read about.

[seieienbu]

The highest price I ever saw on any other US cart RPG was Chrono Trigger at, I think, $82.99, which was EB. Nobody else charged that much for it that I saw.

I vividly recall seeing Street Fighter Alpha 2 for SNES on sale at Babbages for $90.  Meanwhile the (much better) Saturn version was $50.  They also had FF2 for $60 and FF3 for $70.  I thiiiink Chrono Trigger was $75; I only recall that it was a bit more expensive than FF3.

Meanwhile I remember PS1 games being, at most, $50 for single disk games and $60 for multi disk games.

I don't think that anyone cares enough negatively to hate the N64 and the few who do are console war motivated. The biggest problem it has image-wise is the insane hype and revisionism by its devout worshippers.

I think that sums up the N64 pretty well; I feel it's the most overrated system of all time.  There's just nothing I ever want to play on there aside from maybe Mischief Makers.  Between the smeary mess graphics, the fact that damn near everything on the platform is 3D when it's still too early for that stuff to look good, and controls/camers that weren't figured out yet it's like a console of nothing but growing pains. 

It certainly doesn't help my opinion that the oft times called "best game of all time," Zelda 64, is just a slower and worse version of Zelda 3.  I seriously feel like it's the exact same game just in clunky 3D with booooring combat.  Find 3 things, get the master sword, world changes up, find 7 things, fight Ganon.  As for the combat?  Almost every enemy feels the same; wait for it to show it's weak spot then attack.  If it isn't dead then repeat the cycle.  It's not interesting it's just dull.  I get that the game is in 3D and that a 3D world was new at the time but is there really any reason why Link has to slowly open the chest, lean over, stand up, and then watch the item spinning around in 3D?  Maybe that was super cool to some people 20 years ago but I found it tedious to the then and I can't handle it today. 

Yeah the Gamecube is a fun system. Like you said the controller works for just about everything, including every game you'd want to play on the system anyway.

I tend to think that the GC controller works fine for GC games but it doesn't work well for GBA games.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I remember that Starfox game on Gamecube was both fun and fucking annoying at the same time

WHY ISN'T THIS METROID ---> me, while playing it.


I remember Gamecube being disappointing as hell when I got it, mainly because of the lack of RPG presence, as fucking usual with Nintendo anymore.

n64 turned them into a company that blasts out 4 player party machines that assume you have friends.

assholes.

The Cube has like 4 real RPGs, which is 4 more than the N64.

I don't remember if I even played a Cube Star Fox game, I hated the N64 one sooooo much, and then Furries blew up, so I guess I don't care about that series any more.

It's a Zelda-ish game:

Its not bad, lol

So the real problem is you have no friends?

If you need friends to enjoy a system, it's a failure.  Kind of like your posts.

[HuMan]

If you need friends to enjoy a system, it's a failure.  Kind of like your posts.

lol you have no friends

at least I'm not still bitter about a console that launched 21 years ago.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Im not bitter about the N64, I just think its a dumb piece of shit. 

[HuMan]

Is there a console that makes you happy?

[turboswimbz]

Is there a console that makes you happy?

CLEARLY THE SUPERGRAFX

[SignOfZeta]

Is there a console that makes you happy?

No. Of course not. If the N64 can't do it then he is NEVER HAPPY.

Where do get such selfish notions? Why does everyone have to like your dumb POS favorite, especially on this forum of all places? The N64 is the least PCE-like console of its day. Expect people here to shit on it.

Frankly, people who hate a lot of things, unimportant things like this, music, whstever, are usually just try to yell at the world for liking the wrong shit. If they are unhappy about anything it's that the world seems additcted to bad decisions. Usually their ability to enjoy a thing is massively beyond retards who think the N64 was good. People who own massive record collections think your Black Eyed Peas CD is garbage too. Does that mean they don't enjoy their own music? How? What "everyone's opinion has validity " sort of bullshit is that anyway?

[Gypsy]

Lol. Here we go again.

[Arkhan Asylum]

pce and psx make me feel good.

i mean, i just posted vivid memories of getting psx. 

dudududuuuiirruurrurururhrhrur

[SignOfZeta]

pce and psx make me feel good.

i mean, i just posted vivid memories of getting psx. 

dudududuuuiirruurrurururhrhrur

But you said something negative so that gets deleted. You probably don't support free speech for Nazis either. You're harshing my buzz, man. Grow up.

[Gypsy]

Hell, Ark probably IS A NAZI. Since he had a negative opinion about something.

[Arkhan Asylum]

neogeopocket auschwitz

[seieienbu]

What I will never understand is why the Saturn is reviled by most people who played games and the N64 is beloved by the same crowd.  Exactly what N64 games withstood the test of time?  Even during their lifetimes, I thought that Saturn games were fun to play and N64 games were by and large garbage.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Nintendo fans have a rich history of excusing garbage and acting like it's the best thing since ribbed for her pleasure condoms.

[PukeSter]

What I will never understand is why the Saturn is reviled by most people who played games and the N64 is beloved by the same crowd. 

Saturn just isn't that well known, right? I don't think anyone hates it, but I also don't know a single dude my age who's actually played one. Most guys I know are at least aware of N64 and PS1

It also died a really early death in America. It's a 5th gen Turbografx.

Exactly what N64 games withstood the test of time?   

Super Mario 64
1080 Snowboarding
Banjo Kazooie
Mario Kart 64
Smash Bros
Tony Hawk (had a better soundtrack on ps1 but still counts right?)
F-Zero X
NFL Blitz
Doom 64
Sin and Punishment
Rayman 2
Hydro Thunder
Ridge Racer 64
Mario Tennis
Turok 3 (has the weapons from 2 but isn't a confusing mess, and has stages like Half Life and even Turok 1!)

Some of these games had better versions or sequels elsewhere, but they all hold up today as fun and solid games, specifically on n64. I use my N64 mostly as a multiplayer machine, but my favorite nintendo games are on it.

Some games I'd say have "aged poorly" are Perfect Dark, Turok 2, Diddy Kong Racing, and Banjo Tooie, whether it's framerate issues or shit design. Some people on here also hate the Zelda games, especially Majora (my personal favorite)

[Arkhan Asylum]

you left Jet Force Gemini and Mischief Makers off that list.

Also, how old are you that you don't know anyone who has played a saturn.

are you 12, lol

[PukeSter]

are you 12, lol

19 dude. Probably the youngest guy here. Was 13 when I joined.

[Arkhan Asylum]

are you 12, lol

19 dude. Probably the youngest guy here. Was 13 when I joined.

lol, that sucks not knowing people who have played saturn.

Though, looking back, when I was in elementary school there were two of us that knew wtf a Saturn was.

The rest were all N64-morons, lol

[SignOfZeta]

What I will never understand is why the Saturn is reviled by most people who played games and the N64 is beloved by the same crowd.  Exactly what N64 games withstood the test of time?  Even during their lifetimes, I thought that Saturn games were fun to play and N64 games were by and large garbage. 

I've never heard anyone say bad shit about the Saturn other than. "It failed" or "loser system" which are kinda true. When you say "people" do you mean Facebook or 7th graders in the 90s? Every time I heard a noob talk about the Saturn they usually just gush because its "rare" and "obscure". Anyone who has played more than the three free Netlink games generally has a good opinion of it, from what I've seen, especially Panzer Dragoon games.

Saturn absolutely rules, btw, right up there with PCE.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Saturn is great if you didn't get stuck with just the USA library, lol

[MobiusStripTech]

Psycho Arkhan is just pissed because nobody has mentioned his favorite system yet.

[Arkhan Asylum]

I bet that guy still has that sweater, and puts it on, sits in a dark room lit by candles only, and listens to the smiths.

[seieienbu]

I bet that guy still has that sweater, and puts it on, sits in a dark room lit by candles only, and listens to the smiths.

Poor guy just needs to be loved just like everybody else does.

[Arkhan Asylum]

i almost got an  r zone as a kid.    im glad i didnt.    lol

i have a strange affection for tiger handhelds though.    they are all semi retardy but charming anyways

[SignOfZeta]

They really made that segmented LCD shit work for them, even though most everyone had abandoned it by then.

Pinball is genuinely playable. I think there is another one like that. The remaining (aparently hundreds) games are all pretty fucked from what I've seen. The goals were always too lofty. They needed more G&W simplicity and less...Street Fighter Fucking II, which a SNES can barely do.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Yeah, I really like Gauntlet on it.

omfg  you can emulate fucking tiger handhelds?

what in the fuck lol

you want to talk "not the real experience", emulate a tiger handheld.

I can't even imagine how stupid that feels in an emulator

brb downloading.

[Arkhan Asylum]

Here's someone that isn't an idiot playing it

It was , and still is surprisingly amusing.