Genesis slaughters everything else

Tatsujin · 09/04/2007, 11:43 PM

i wasn't aware of that fact, never played that one fo'real. but that sounds horrible

nat · 09/04/2007, 11:46 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 09/04/2007, 11:27 PMThere is one huge problem with Sonic CD: no spin dash. I wouldn't have missed it except I had already played Sonic 2, and now for me a lack of spin dash just drags the game into the ground.

I own the GameCube re-release of Sonic CD and I am spin-dashing all over the place right this very moment!

Are you telling me this is something they added back in special for the GC version? I've never played "actual" SEGA CD version since I've never owned a SEGA CD so I guess it's feasible. But following that logic, why didn't they include the spin-dash in the Sonic 1 GameCube re-release?

And I agree, I find Sonic 1 hard to play these days because of the lack of a spin dash.

Keranu · 09/04/2007, 11:48 PM

Quote from: SignOfZeta on 09/04/2007, 11:27 PMThere is one huge problem with Sonic CD: no spin dash. I wouldn't have missed it except I had already played Sonic 2, and now for me a lack of spin dash just drags the game into the ground.

There is a spin-dash in Sonic CD (it doesn't look the same as in the later games though) and there is also the useless "stand-dash".

GUTS · 09/05/2007, 01:45 AM

The first Sonic is definitely a masterpiece, its weird how Mario got better and peaked at 3 or 4 depending on your preference, while Sonic just got worse and pretty much bottomed out at 3 or CD (just talking pre-playstation era).

Turbo D · 09/05/2007, 01:49 AM

ya, there are two different dashes in sonic cd, the spin dash and the stand dash, like keranu said. I actually prefer the super cool stand dash

That game rules, people who dislike it should give it another try. Did you guys know that you can time travel and save the future; wow, cool.

I think mario got better with 3, but 4 was just ok. I think that sonic 3 was a freaking master peace, seriously, you can save go crazy with jewels and beat up knuckles. You can also play as either sonic, tails or knuckles, wow. and when you connect it with sonic and knuckles, you expand the gaming experience and it gets even better. You can even gather even more emeralds and become teh most awesome Hyper Sonic

Keranu · 09/05/2007, 01:56 AM

Quote from: GUTS on 09/05/2007, 01:45 AMThe first Sonic is definitely a masterpiece, its weird how Mario got better and peaked at 3 or 4 depending on your preference, while Sonic just got worse and pretty much bottomed out at 3 or CD (just talking pre-playstation era).

Yeah agreed about Mario. Though I must admit, I was a sucker for Sonic 3 when it first came out and still am! Of course no Sonic will be able to touch the spirit of the original.

Tatsujin · 09/05/2007, 02:12 AM

for me, i like the 1st sonic the most as well. was just a great game at its time and a good alternation to all those slow mario & co. J'n'Rs. the BGM in the 1st was the best as well (starlight zone, what a great tune. hear it somtimes around some ufo-catcher here in the arcades). the next sonics couldn't reach that level again, although the better graphx and gameplay elements here and there.

Turbo D · 09/05/2007, 02:25 AM

me and you have the same taste in game music

Kitsunexus · 09/05/2007, 03:05 AM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/05/2007, 02:12 AMthe BGM in the 1st was the best as well (starlight zone, what a great tune. hear it somtimes around some ufo-catcher here in the arcades).

I would FREAK OUT if someone performed Starlight Zone as a disco mix with real instruments...

Turbo D · 09/05/2007, 03:27 AM

ya, that would be awesome. That song really is something

Keranu · 09/05/2007, 03:28 AM

Starlite Zone rocked, but Labyrinth Zone was always my favorite stage.

They were all great stages though.

CosMind · 09/05/2007, 06:00 PM

gain ground = action strategy happiness.

btw, i do love world of illusion (and castle is not bad, either). however, i'd be hard pressed to claim them "best disney games ever".
personally, i'm pretty fond of capcom's magical quest on the snes. that game is very well designed and produced in all regards, and is a joy to play.

Tatsujin · 09/05/2007, 11:36 PM

i prefere the MD mickey mouse (CoI) in any ways and over all Disney games ever made on our planet. The 1st magial Quest is propably one of the nicest game ever draw on the SFC, but it lacks a lot in pepp (action).

@cosmind, what's your avatar supposed to be? reminds me of the character "Wind" from the lastest Akumajo Dracula adv. on NDS

Keranu · 09/05/2007, 11:59 PM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/05/2007, 11:36 PM@cosmind, what's your avatar supposed to be? reminds me of the character "Wind" from the lastest Akumajo Dracula adv. on NDS

I've been wondering the same, it looks super rad!

Kitsunexus · 09/06/2007, 12:10 AM

Castle Of Illusion sucked. Aladdin was MUCH better.

Tatsujin · 09/06/2007, 02:06 AM

yeah..castle of farklusion sucked that much! what a stinky game and waste of time playing it! people, stay away from that crap!

PCEngineHell · 09/06/2007, 05:28 AM

I really liked Castle Of Illusion,even loved the Master System version....

guyjin · 09/06/2007, 06:09 PM

I've only ever played the Master System version of castle of illusion; how does the genesis version compare?

From what I've seen of it, Ducktales > Castle of Illusion, by a longshot.

Joe Redifer · 09/06/2007, 07:12 PM

I've never played Ducktales, but from what I've seen of it Castle of Illusion > Ducktales by a huge amount and also rapes its mother.

Turbo D · 09/06/2007, 08:01 PM

If you guys want to play a good disney cart on the Genesis, go check out QuackShot. That is a game that is bad-ass

Keranu · 09/06/2007, 08:55 PM

Quote from: turbo D on 09/06/2007, 08:01 PMIf you guys want to play a good disney cart on the Genesis, go check out QuackShot. That is a game that is bad-ass

YES! As I have previously posted, it's the best Disney game of all time!

TurboXray · 09/06/2007, 09:53 PM

Magical Troll ftw!

Tatsujin · 09/06/2007, 10:44 PM

Quote from: Keranu on 09/06/2007, 08:55 PM
Quote from: turbo D on 09/06/2007, 08:01 PMIf you guys want to play a good disney cart on the Genesis, go check out QuackShot. That is a game that is bad-ass
YES! As I have previously posted, it's the best Disney game of all time!

no, that's already Mickey Mouse's CoI aka "I rabu Mickey Mouse! Fushigi no Oshiro Daibouken". are you trying to let me appear like a liar, man?

Keranu · 09/07/2007, 12:17 AM

Yes you are a dirty liar.

Tatsujin · 09/07/2007, 09:22 AM

friends?

Keranu · 09/07/2007, 08:49 PM

Of course.

Ceti Alpha · 09/07/2007, 09:07 PM

Streets of Rage (1 and 2) was an awesome game. Perhaps the best scrolling beat 'em up ever. I remember playing at my friend's house at lunch having a blast with it. I also remember wishing that the Turbo would release a game like this.

I will tell you one thing, and I'm sure I'm pretty much alone on this one, but I never could stand the Genesis controllers. They felt flimsy and hollow, and the buttons were hard to use. I think it was the fact that the buttons were sunk, or at the same level as the rest of the controller. But I never liked the PS controllers either, and I get flamed on that too. The XBOX controllers are just superior in every way....but that's another thread.

Oh, if I was to rank the systems:

1st Place - Turbo Grafx 16/PC Engine: Just one charming little piece of machinery with a ton of great games. Of course there's the whole "Turbografx is actually just an 8 Bit system" argument, but if that's the case then it just makes the Turbo Grafx even better. What does that say about the Genesis's "blast processing" if the Turbo (just a little 8-bit nobody) can dish out the same thing or better.

2nd Place - Super Nintendo/Super Famicon: A very close second. I love Nintendo. It also has the charm factor with all of its systems. It has great shooters like R Type III (worth getting the SNES just for that game), Rock n' Roll racing, etc... SNES has great scrolling as well and a great controller with 6 buttons.

3rd Place - Genesis: I never could really learn to love this machine, though it did have some great games (such as the above mentioned Streets of Rage, Strider, Ghouls and Ghosts and the ultra cool Disney games.). The Genesis just didn't have that charm factor going on like the SNES and the Turbografx. I found the controllers not necessarily uncomfortable, but just annoying to use...in spite of the fact that it did sport one extra button over the Turbografx controller.

In the end, I would like to have all three systems.

Each system had their own selection of great games making each system great in their own way....man I would love to play Streets of Rage right now....

So Genesis lovers don't hate me for my blasphemy.

I was just giving my two cents.

CrackTiger · 09/07/2007, 09:20 PM

I don't like the original giant Genesis pads, but Sega's 6-buttoners are nice enough.

CosMind · 09/07/2007, 09:57 PM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/05/2007, 11:36 PM@cosmind, what's your avatar supposed to be? reminds me of the character "Wind" from the lastest Akumajo Dracula adv. on NDS

Quote from: Keranu on 09/05/2007, 11:59 PMI've been wondering the same, it looks super rad!

'tis the galaxy cowboy. a sprite from a game design and concept that i'm considering developing once i complete my current game. i have a few prospects that i'm waffling between though - so i'm not sure if it'll be the one just yet.
(@keranu, appreciated on the nod to radness, btw)

jell-o stage in world of illusion is brilliant, might i add

Joe Redifer · 09/08/2007, 01:44 AM

Quote from: guestI don't like the original giant Genesis pads, but Sega's 6-buttoners are nice enough.

Agreed. After playing with the proper Sega 6-button pad for awhile I held a 3-button once again. It felt so hollow, so huge, so wrong. There's no going back. You need to get y'self a 6-button pad. It's like grabbing one of the original Xbox controllers after living with the controller-s for awhile.

The Playstation pads have always SUCKED ASS!

Keranu · 09/08/2007, 02:17 AM

I prefer the original 3 button Genesis controller mostly because I prefer to use the original controller for any system when possible. I also think it looks way cooler and it fits in your hand nicer, but the problem with the controllers is that the buttons can get really sticky and stiff which becomes really annoying. I don't actually mind the 6 button controller as much as I like to make fun of it, but unfortunately I have to use it more since the 3 buttons become crap over time.

I think SNES pads are pretty crap.

nat · 09/08/2007, 02:33 AM

Quote from: Keranu on 09/08/2007, 02:17 AMI think SNES pads are pretty crap.

I agree. All my SNES pads are pretty shitty anymore. The D-pad is so fucking stiff one of them you have to press the right side like halfway to the bottom of the controller to get it to register.

Perhaps I ought to consider taking it apart and cleaning it.

WoodyXP · 09/08/2007, 04:22 AM

Word life. The Sega Arcade stick kicked ass too.

Quote from: guest on 09/07/2007, 09:20 PMI don't like the original giant Genesis pads, but Sega's 6-buttoners are nice enough.

Joe Redifer · 09/08/2007, 06:34 AM

Yeah, I can't really think of any stick for an 8 or 16-bit console which was better than the Sega Arcade Sticks (yes, that includes the Neo Geo). The 3 button version was especially weighty which was really nice. Love that hand rest on the side, too.

Tatsujin · 09/08/2007, 09:50 AM

SFC-pads are the best ever made in humans history, as long they work fine!

CosMind · 09/08/2007, 09:54 AM

Quote from: Tatsujin on 09/08/2007, 09:50 AMSFC-pads are the best ever made in humans history, as long they work fine!

i second that vote.

i also second the sentiment that the genesis/mega drive 6-pressers are dope. i love those controllers - almost as much as the glorious saturn pads.
the traditional 3-button pads did double nicely as bludgeoning weapons, however. and i once held one up in front of a huge spotlight to summon the caped crusader. not sure if i'd be alive to type this today if it weren't for that game pad (tears up).

SignOfZeta · 09/08/2007, 11:33 AM

3 button Genesis pads are fine for a while, but after not that much use the d-pad starts screwing up. I remember getting pissed in Phantasy Star III when I pushed up and the dude walked left sometimes unless I pushed very precisely up. If I'm having controller issues in a 1 mph RPG then certainly the pad is crap. I can see that at the time they were just trying to make something that was comfortable and filled the hand more that the teeny-weeny FC, or SMS pads. Its just happens to not be a very well made controller.

The SNES pad pretty much rules for anything but 6-button fighters, which at this point I'm no longer playing on SNES anyway. The SNES pad is also really really fucking reliable. I use a Super Smart Joy to hook a SNES pad to my Mac for all my emulation usage.

TurboXray · 09/08/2007, 01:21 PM

I like the SNES pads because they're just like the original NES/TG pads but with nice circular edges for comfort. They should have made an official 6 button version of the snes pad like the PCE's 6 button - for fighting games and such.

The Genesis batwing pad is ok, but I wish they made a smaller version of it. The would help reduce that hollow feel and plus smaller gamepads are cooler (PS2 NES retro pad kickass). I mostly use the Sega 6 button game pad for my Genesis adventures

CrackTiger · 09/08/2007, 11:44 PM

Quote from: TurboXray on 09/08/2007, 01:21 PMI like the SNES pads because they're just like the original NES/TG pads but with nice circular edges for comfort. They should have made an official 6 button version of the snes pad like the PCE's 6 button - for fighting games and such.

The Genesis batwing pad is ok, but I wish they made a smaller version of it. The would help reduce that hollow feel and plus smaller gamepads are cooler (PS2 NES retro pad kickass). I mostly use the Sega 6 button game pad for my Genesis adventures

There is one like that, I think its the Hori 6-button pad.

Turbo D · 09/09/2007, 12:31 AM

ya, it looks awesome. Anyone want to slang me one?

Joe Redifer · 09/09/2007, 03:11 AM

The official Japanese Sega Mega Drive 6-button controllers are smaller than the US version. I think they have a blue start button.

Keranu · 09/10/2007, 03:51 PM

Quote from: Joe Redifer on 09/09/2007, 03:11 AMThe official Japanese Sega Mega Drive 6-button controllers are smaller than the US version. I think they have a blue start button.

Are they the same as the CDX controllers? This controller that came with my bro's CDX had a blue start button.

Joe Redifer · 09/10/2007, 07:35 PM

This is the official US 6-button controller. If it has rapid fire on it, then it is the Majesco controller, even if it only has the Sega logo on it. The Majesco controllers are dogshit.

Here's a Japanese 6-button controller (very worn as you can see by the near-missing writing). It was the only picture I could find on the internet in my exhaustive 45-second search. Again, no rapid fire at all. The MODE switch on both the US and Japanese version is where the "R" shoulder button would be on other controllers.

Keranu · 09/10/2007, 11:40 PM

The Japanese one looks retarded.

WoodyXP · 09/11/2007, 03:17 AM

Function over fashion, my friend.

Quote from: Keranu on 09/10/2007, 11:40 PMThe Japanese one looks retarded.

Joe Redifer · 09/11/2007, 03:53 AM

The Japanese controller is made for the minuscule hands of the Japanese population whereas the US controller is made for the giant manly hands of US people. I think Microsoft took it too far when they made their original Xbox controller. Same goes with Nintendo for the Wii. The damn remote could be bigger as my giant manly hand begins to hurt after while.

Ceti Alpha · 09/11/2007, 08:51 AM

Well the 6-button controller looks like a major improvement over the original pack-in controller.

Note to self: Buy a 6-button controller when I get a Genesis.

Turbo D · 09/11/2007, 11:57 AM

I like that giant xbox controller

Ceti Alpha · 09/11/2007, 12:34 PM

Haha. I didn't mind either actually. But I definitely prefer the smaller version. But either of those are infinitely better than the PS controllers. The PS controller must be one of the worst designed controllers, especially for a pack-in. The analogue sticks are so awkward to use. But there are people who love them obviously so...

OldRover · 09/11/2007, 03:43 PM

I missed this thread before but I guess I can add my $.02 worth now to the original post...despite the obvious fanboyism in the thread title.

Genesis games in alphabetical order:
Castle Of Illusion - Good platformer
Chakan - Good gameplay but shitty sound
Phantasy Star IV - No rivals in the 16 bit era
Shining In The Darkness - One of the best battle themes for an RPG
Sonic The Hedgehog - The original is the best
Strider - Probably the best home port we got
Turrican - What can I say, it's Turrican!

Sega CD games in alphabetical order:
Lunar The Silver Star - Best RPG for the Sega CD, hands down
Sonic CD - Lots of fun and brings back some of the style that was present in Sonic 1 but missing from Sonic 2
Vay - A great Keranu-style RPG!

That about covers it. I certainly don't think the Genesis is "the bee's knees" of the 16 bit era (or ANY era), but every console I've ever played has at least one game I like.