Cereals that suck...

[OceanBlueKirby]

But if these ingredients are harmful to human consumption, then why is the FDA approving them? It doesn't add up!

Thanks for the laugh, I haven't laughed that hard in years! Do you actually believe the FDA is looking out for you? AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

The US government has, for many years, bent and catered to the best interests of corporations...not to its people. The FDA is a government agency who, like all the others, follows this model. Furthermore, the FDA has many people on its payroll with vested interests in these corporations and, in many cases, actually WORKING for these corporations. The FDA garners many millions of dollars in private funds every year; most of this is "hush money". Best case in point is the aspartame scam of the 80s...several key people involved ended up working for the FDA, getting aspartame rubber-stamped despite many years of prior rejection. Do you know what aspartame was formulated to do? Heal ulcers! Remember Vioxx? And about three dozen other "safe" drugs pulled from the market over the last few years after being "FDA Approved"? The FDA will rubber-stamp anything if they can pull a profit from it. Follow the money trail.

So why haven't they approved Stevia as a sweetener in the USA? Because there's no money in it for them. Stevia grows naturally and is much harder to regulate; it's more difficult to produce than all the chemical-based artificial sweeteners. Since it occurs naturally, it's also unpatentable by itself, meaning no company can develop a monopoly on it. Despite being approved in many other countries for being completely safe, the US continues to reject it based on the money trail of aspartame, its younger brother neotame, and its cousin sucralose. Fortunately, one big company has stepped up to the plate to try to get it approved...Coca Cola (with the backing of Cargill), under the brand name Rebiana. The EU apparently continues to keep it out though...due to the incomplete and tainted "studies" done over two decades ago in the USA. I don't believe there have been any big studies done in any of the countries in the EU outside of simply looking up the decades-old tainted reports and even if such studies WERE done, chances are high they'd be shut out by either government agencies or big corporations. Ironically, the American Diabetes Association promotes aspartame (hell, they promote saccharin!!) despite the fact that stevia can prevent and in many cases REVERSE some forms of diabetes. Aspartame makes diabetes worse...but hey, gotta keep those donations coming in, right? If diabetes was to be cured, there wouldn't be an American Diabetes Association anymore!

Oi...there's way too much to say here. It has taken me many years of research to understand all of this, so I wouldn't expect anyone who's never looked into this stuff to understand it right away or even trust this information...I mean after all, isn't the FDA supposed to be looking out for us? Aren't they? AREN'T THEY?!?!

The Old Rover, I want you to do a careful reading of the many articles found on Quackwatch, particularly here. The same kind of information given by others such as Kevin Trudeau, famously, does not need to be spread here.

Basically, I don't find any appeal in cereals, with the exception of Frosted Flakes, that sink in milk, such as Life or Honey Bunches of Oats. These tend to have less flavor in them than those that float, leaving a feeling of boredom after eating. They have been touted to be much healthier supposedly because of less sugar, but all cereals have health benefits since they contain a number of vitamins and minerals, with whole grains present in the modern times. Sometimes I find cereals with separate sweet and nutritional pieces, such as Lucky Charms and Capt'n Crunch Berries, to be a bit of a bummer, too, since the sweet pieces are the last I want to eat, and I have to dig carefully in order to avoid eating them all by the end .

[OldRover]

The Old Rover, I want you to do a careful reading of the many articles found on Quackwatch, particularly here. The same kind of information given by others such as Kevin Trudeau, famously, does not need to be spread here.

I can't believe you actually posted that crock-of-bunk website. I've read hundreds of bogus articles on quackwatch already. I find it highly ironic that there's a site out there about stopping "quack medicine" that's actually run by a quack. EVERYTHING on that website is full of bullshit...I've yet to find a legitimate article there. Furthermore, Kevin Trudeau is also a giant walking quack, nothing he says can be taken seriously.

[quoth09]

High Fructose Corn Syrup (causes pancreatic overactivity which can lead to diabetes and cancer of the pancreas)
BHT or BHA (known carcinogens, also known to cause hyperactivity in children as well as liver damage)
Sucralose (brand name: Splenda; a chlorocarbon known to attack the liver and thymus gland [part of the immune system])
Aspartame (brand name: Nutrasweet; breaks down to methanol [highly toxic to humans] and formaldehyde [known carcinogen], and contains phenylalanines, which some people have adverse reactions to)
Neotame (same basic molecular structure as aspartame but without the phenylalanines; still breaks down to the same dangerous chemicals though)
Acesulfame potassium/Acesulfame K (not tested enough to validate safety...wanna risk it? The FDA says it's safe! Promise!)

But if these ingredients are harmful to human consumption, then why is the FDA approving them? It doesn't add up!

The FDA equals nothing but money. The same exact reason why there is no cure for the common cold (despite some peoples belief that it mutates too fast) or for AIDS. They would make no money off of it or several other diseases being cured. They also are one of the most unorganized organizations in the US, and their trials and tests they do to check foods, are all a bunch of crap. There are records on file and have been for years where they passed products faster to companies that made substantial gift payments to certain government offices or made agreements for them to receive profit cuts. In return the companies get perks and bonuses to do what they want. It's all a big money chain, and it has been going on since before you or myself were born. Go do some research before you open your mouth about certain things. If you want to think that everything is ok in the world, keep on continuing to watch your Disney movies and being naive and ignorant, just so you don't have to deal with thinking about any of it, or inconveniencing yourself to be picky about what you eat.

Also, I guess you already forgot about the Peanut Butter and Spinach incidents last year. Kinda funny because I half-way pay attention to what I eat, and even though the brand of Spinach that was pulled wasn't sold near me, the Peanut Butter I buy was NOT one of the ones they pulled. I don't buy cheap store brand peanut butter from Wal-Mart or crappy ass Peter Pan (which are actually made in the same factories).

Regardless of what anyone can come up with to bash Rover about this stuff, I hate to burst your bubble if you don't believe him, but the majority of what he stated is either true, or not 100% proven fact yet, but close enough. People that don't pay attention to what they eat are quick to call those who do, quacks and crazy people...kinda funny that they don't seem to say the same after they find out they are sick, and they start doing some research of their own (if they live long enough).

I will no longer be buying any cereals that contain BHT in them because of his posts. This unfortunately includes Quaker Oatmeal Squares and Quaker Life Cinnamon, which I am both extremely fond of. 

Cheerios Crunch and Apple Cinnamon are also non-BHT.

[NecroPhile]

I won't refute any of Rover's statements, as I haven't done much research, nor do I care to.  I will add that there are many other carcinogen laden foods to avoid, and here's but a few: taters cooked at a high temperature (like both kinds of chips often are), charred meats (sorry, no cajun style for you), and anything with sodium nitrite (a common processed meat and cheese preservative which your digestive system will turn into carcinogenic nitrosamines).  Personally, I'm not overly picky about the food stuffs I eat, as I figure that either pollution or a jealous husband will do me in long before any possibly dangerous chemicals in food.

The FDA equals nothing but money. The same exact reason why there is no cure for the common cold (despite some peoples belief that it mutates too fast) or for AIDS.

Speaking of naive and ignorant, are you saying that the FDA is preventing everyone from developing these cures and that said cures couldn't be profitably marketed?  I would've swore that there were at least a few research hospitals, universities, and pharmaceutical companies outside of the U.S., but I must be mistaken. 

Also, I guess you already forgot about the Peanut Butter and Spinach incidents last year. Kinda funny because I half-way pay attention to what I eat, and even though the brand of Spinach that was pulled wasn't sold near me, the Peanut Butter I buy was NOT one of the ones they pulled. I don't buy cheap store brand peanut butter from Wal-Mart or crappy ass Peter Pan (which are actually made in the same factories).

Let me get this straight; the combined economic might of Wal-Mart and ConAgra wasn't sufficient to persuade the FDA to let them keep selling their product.  For such a money grubbing bunch of douches, one would think that they'd be easier to buy off.

[Keranu]

Despite being approved in many other countries for being completely safe, the US continues to reject it based on the money trail of aspartame, its younger brother neotame, and its cousin sucralose.

This is a very true statement. I've seen so many "zombies" fall for the gimmick of aspartame and they don't see anything wrong with it. Americans love finding healthy alternatives, so they think they can get away with drinking a bunch of Diet Coke since it has 0 calories, but they're probably better off with the extra calories. I'm one of those people who reacts to stuff like Diet Coke myself since it gives me headaches.

[OldRover]

But...but...at least they won't develop ulcers! Six kinds of cancers, maybe...but no ulcers!!!

[quoth09]

Despite being approved in many other countries for being completely safe, the US continues to reject it based on the money trail of aspartame, its younger brother neotame, and its cousin sucralose.

This is a very true statement. I've seen so many "zombies" fall for the gimmick of aspartame and they don't see anything wrong with it. Americans love finding healthy alternatives, so they think they can get away with drinking a bunch of Diet Coke since it has 0 calories, but they're probably better off with the extra calories. I'm one of those people who reacts to stuff like Diet Coke myself since it gives me headaches.

Funny that you bring that up...I cut back on any Coke and Pepsi products a few years back, and made the decision last year to completely stop drinking anything by them if I can help it. I felt better back then, and I get the craving to want something every once in a while by either of them, but it's just not worth it to me.

Reason:
Besides all the sugar, I find it very odd that Coca-Cola and Pepsi Co. are the ONLY 2 companies that aren't required to disclose their ingredients on the label, because it's their 'Secret Ingredient'. I'm not going to say anything other than go do a look up in reference to what a certain agency in India found in the products, but yet nothing has been done about.

In another cereal related interest, I found out earlier that Golden Grahams have BHT in them; that is rather disappointing. At least there is a bagged Malt-O-Meal cereal that actually tastes about the same, though I have no idea if it has BHT in it or not. I would guess not, but then again I thought that about Quaker.

[Ceti Alpha]

but then again I thought that about Quaker.

noooo...not the Quaker!!! 

I don't care. I like Harvest Crunch too much to care. lol

[quoth09]

The FDA equals nothing but money. The same exact reason why there is no cure for the common cold (despite some peoples belief that it mutates too fast) or for AIDS.

Speaking of naive and ignorant, are you saying that the FDA is preventing everyone from developing these cures and that said cures couldn't be profitably marketed?  I would've swore that there were at least a few research hospitals, universities, and pharmaceutical companies outside of the U.S., but I must be mistaken. 

FDA = US Government, and they wouldn't lie to you, now would they? I guess they also wouldn't block certain companies or buy out certain people with hush money, just to keep certain products off the market for you and I, just so another company can keep on selling their pain medication?

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Also, I guess you already forgot about the Peanut Butter and Spinach incidents last year. Kinda funny because I half-way pay attention to what I eat, and even though the brand of Spinach that was pulled wasn't sold near me, the Peanut Butter I buy was NOT one of the ones they pulled. I don't buy cheap store brand peanut butter from Wal-Mart or crappy ass Peter Pan (which are actually made in the same factories).

Let me get this straight; the combined economic might of Wal-Mart and ConAgra wasn't sufficient to persuade the FDA to let them keep selling their product.  For such a money grubbing bunch of douches, one would think that they'd be easier to buy off.

It probably got under someone's radar to large to ignore, and they threatened to say something about it, not to mention all the people that were going to the hospital vomiting and with diarrhea after eating it, with the possibility of them getting sued. I don't think a pay off would have helped them there.


You know, you can call me crazy or whatever you want for some of these statements, but the fact of the matter that the day and age that 'your government works for you' was gone a long time ago, if it even existed. When or if someday you decide to look around and really pay attention to what is happening that isn't broadcast on the nightly news, then you might find out. Not everything is conspiracy theory or made up stories for a joke.

[Keranu]

You know, you can call me crazy or whatever you want for some of these statements, but the fact of the matter that the day and age that 'your government works for you' was gone a long time ago, if it even existed. When or if someday you decide to look around and really pay attention to what is happening that isn't broadcast on the nightly news, then you might find out. Not everything is conspiracy theory or made up stories for a joke.

But the media tells me I should label anyone who doesn't follow it as a crackpot conspiracy theorist!

[rag-time4]

This is a very true statement. I've seen so many "zombies" fall for the gimmick of aspartame and they don't see anything wrong with it. Americans love finding healthy alternatives, so they think they can get away with drinking a bunch of Diet Coke since it has 0 calories, but they're probably better off with the extra calories. I'm one of those people who reacts to stuff like Diet Coke myself since it gives me headaches.

ahhhh I've been one of them! Lately i've been wanting some kind of dessert with apple, so over the past month i've bought two of these dutch apple pies that are "no sugar added" but they always give me diarrhea...

I used to get apple pies every once in a while from Your Black Muslim Bakery over here in Oakland when they were still open... they were sweetened with honey, so i never had any problems.

I need to order some carob powder online so i can start making my own sweet stuff again... store bought stuff that you can find at supermarkets is usually really sweetened with stuff that's not wholesome at all, such as apartame, refined sugar, high fructose corn syrup.....

[NecroPhile]

FDA = US Government, and they wouldn't lie to you, now would they? I guess they also wouldn't block certain companies or buy out certain people with hush money, just to keep certain products off the market for you and I, just so another company can keep on selling their pain medication?

The US government can lie all they want, but they don't control every research hospital, university, and drug company in the world.  It's also inconceivable that the sale of HIV vaccines and flu cures would be less profitable than selling pain medications, of which nearly every type is available as a cheap generic.  Next you'll be spinning yarns of a carburetor that'll yield 200mpg in a mid-size sedan, even though simple physics and the laws of thermodynamics say it's impossible.

You know, you can call me crazy or whatever you want for some of these statements, but the fact of the matter that the day and age that 'your government works for you' was gone a long time ago, if it even existed. When or if someday you decide to look around and really pay attention to what is happening that isn't broadcast on the nightly news, then you might find out. Not everything is conspiracy theory or made up stories for a joke.

I never laid down a blanket statement saying that everything with the government is hunky dory and anyone who disagrees is a tin foil hat wearing nutter, now did I?  I only responded to a couple of specific arguments, which could only be true if literally millions and millions of people worldwide were being bought and paid for.  If that ain't a conspiracy theory, then I don't know the definition of the word.


Back to the topic at hand: I had some Fruity Pebbles today and was reminded that they suck.  Hard.

[OldRover]

An HIV vaccine is impossible to create; the virus attacks the T2 cells, which are responsible for fighting virii. Vaccines in general are rather useless anyways, and cause more problems than they are supposed to cure (they cure and prevent just about NOTHING).

Whether or not the FDA is in control of every drug company, research hospital, or university in the world is immaterial to someone who lives inside the borders of the USA. Researchers around the world have found many ways to deal with a large host of medical problems, including diabetes, hypertension, and hundreds of forms of cancer. Yet this knowledge, and accompanying products, are banned in the USA because the FDA is in absolute control of these things.

What I wanna know is this: the people who question this information...who are you protecting? You're doing yourself no favors and are playing into the hands of big corporations and government agencies who are exploiting you and laughing all the way to the bank. But hey, it's your life and your health...feel free to continue living this way...only you can decide what to do with your life. Remaining ignorant is your right. My wife and I still say to each other sometimes "Life was so much easier when we were ignorant".

[NecroPhile]

An HIV vaccine is impossible to create; the virus attacks the T2 cells, which are responsible for fighting virii. Vaccines in general are rather useless anyways, and cause more problems than they are supposed to cure (they cure and prevent just about NOTHING).

Tell that to polio and smallpox.  Of course, that isn't to say that a HIV vaccine is inevitable, as it may remain just as elusive as a cure for colds.  It's just that never is an awfully long time, so I won't say that it'll never happen.

Whether or not the FDA is in control of every drug company, research hospital, or university in the world is immaterial to someone who lives inside the borders of the USA. Researchers around the world have found many ways to deal with a large host of medical problems, including diabetes, hypertension, and hundreds of forms of cancer. Yet this knowledge, and accompanying products, are banned in the USA because the FDA is in absolute control of these things.

Again, I was only responding to a specific statement.  It was postulated that the only reason that there are no cures for the common cold and AIDS is due to the FDA.  If that were true, then the cures would be available in the rest of the world.  They are not; end of story.  All other medical advances made in the world are not germane to the argument.

[guyjin]

If we can't trust the FDA's health information, why should we trust yours?

[OldRover]

Tell that to polio and smallpox.  Of course, that isn't to say that a HIV vaccine is inevitable, as it may remain just as elusive as a cure for colds.  It's just that never is an awfully long time, so I won't say that it'll never happen.

The polio vaccine did no good; polio was already on the decline when it was invented and it actually started giving people cancer caused by a virus known as SV40 which was part of the vaccine's makeup. This was not discovered until 40 years later...that's 40 years of an unessential, destructive vaccine. The smallpox vaccine was the first vaccine ever developed and is the only vaccine known to actually work as "marketed". But the way it worked is vastly different than the way vaccines were developed afterwards. The world is considered smallpox-free nowadays, the common person can't even get vaccinated for it (not like they'd need to anyways). There ARE ways to kill HIV, but again...this is knowledge unknown to the vast majority of people in the USA because the FDA has kept this information out. A traditional vaccine cannot be developed for HIV because of how HIV works. A traditional vaccine for the cold is likewise impossible due to the high number of variations of the virus. This is also why the influenza virus is absolutely worthless.

Again, I was only responding to a specific statement.  It was postulated that the only reason that there are no cures for the common cold and AIDS is due to the FDA.  If that were true, then the cures would be available in the rest of the world.  They are not; end of story.  All other medical advances made in the world are not germane to the argument.

Gotta be careful with the whole AIDS/HIV thing. AIDS is a general acronym; HIV is just one way it can be contracted. I don't think anyone here said that the reason there's no HIV or cold cures is because of the FDA, though we do know that the FDA has kept information on killing HIV out of the hands of the general public. Why? Because of the sheer number of medications and treatments required to deal with the symptoms of all the diseases and sicknesses that AIDS causes. But also, remember that HIV has a very high occurance in the USA but not in most other countries of the world. Why is that, eh?

[OldRover]

If we can't trust the FDA's health information, why should we trust yours?

Who are you protecting by believing the FDA? That's what I want to know.

[guyjin]

If we can't trust the FDA's health information, why should we trust yours?

Who are you protecting by believing the FDA? That's what I want to know.

who said I belived the FDA? I'm saying we should be skeptical of all information given to us, by authorities or otherwise.

AIDS is a general acronym; HIV is just one way it can be contracted

umm, no. HIV is the virus that causes AIDS. there are no other causes.

[NecroPhile]

The polio vaccine did no good; polio was already on the decline when it was invented and it actually started giving people cancer caused by a virus known as SV40 which was part of the vaccine's makeup. This was not discovered until 40 years later...that's 40 years of an unessential, destructive vaccine.

If Polio was on the decline 70 years ago, so much so that a vaccine was unnecessary, why would there be 350,000 cases fifty years later?  Thanks to the efforts of the World Health Organization and Unicef, Polio has been nearly eradicated (through the use of vaccines) over the last twenty years, and that doesn't sound like useless to me.  Who knows, maybe the W.H.O. and Unicef are lying shills for the U.S. government and just wanted to collect donations.

I don't think anyone here said that the reason there's no HIV or cold cures is because of the FDA,

You missed it.  Try re-reading the discussion from the beginning and maybe you'll catch this one:

The FDA equals nothing but money. The same exact reason why there is no cure for the common cold (despite some peoples belief that it mutates too fast) or for AIDS. They would make no money off of it or several other diseases being cured.

[quoth09]

but then again I thought that about Quaker.

noooo...not the Quaker!!! 

I don't care. I like Harvest Crunch too much to care. lol

I really like Cinnamon Life and Oatmeal Squares, but I will be damned if I will eat the stuff when they could be using something else.

[OldRover]

who said I belived the FDA? I'm saying we should be skeptical of all information given to us, by authorities or otherwise.

Of course you should be skeptical. But the way you said it made it sound like you're programmed to blindly believe what they say. You shouldn't ever trust any source completely. That's why it's taken many years of research and education to reach this level of understanding. It would take you just as many to understand it too.

umm, no. HIV is the virus that causes AIDS. there are no other causes.

There are many, many causes of AIDS. What you mean really is that AIDS is the only end result of HIV infection. AIDS can be brought about by drug abuse, genetic mutations, environmental hazards, etc. Furthermore, AIDS is not a disease; it's a syndrome, brought on by one or more of about 30 different diseases.

If Polio was on the decline 70 years ago, so much so that a vaccine was unnecessary, why would there be 350,000 cases fifty years later?  Thanks to the efforts of the World Health Organization and Unicef, Polio has been nearly eradicated (through the use of vaccines) over the last twenty years, and that doesn't sound like useless to me.  Who knows, maybe the W.H.O. and Unicef are lying shills for the U.S. government and just wanted to collect donations.

If the vaccine was so successful, the disease would be long gone by now. The rate of polio's diminishment doesn't match the rate of administrations of the vaccine. The fact is that polio is a dying virus; its purpose has been fulfilled and it is headed for extinction. Natural selection. This is pretty basic science.

You missed it.  Try re-reading the discussion from the beginning and maybe you'll catch this one:

The FDA equals nothing but money. The same exact reason why there is no cure for the common cold (despite some peoples belief that it mutates too fast) or for AIDS. They would make no money off of it or several other diseases being cured.

The cold cannot be cured. Even if there was a cure, the FDA would do one of two things: embrace this crazy medicine which would sell by the billions of units, or block it completely. However, he IS right about the AIDS thing...or more correctly, HIV. There are known ways to kill the HIV virus...outside of the USA. But this knowledge is all but unknown to the majority of people in the USA, as I stated earlier. Reason? The FDA keeps such information out through careful tactics. They have no intention of letting go of the huge donations they make from companies that make the VERY expensive drugs used to treat the symptoms of the various diseases caused by AIDS. If you had a gravy train that brought you many millions every year, would you give it up? Money talks.

This thread has now gone WAY off topic. I need some Cheerios.

[Dark Fact]

Rover, Quoth, I go away for a few days and all of a sudden you turn the thread into a grandstanding marathon of government conspiracies, hand-me-downs, and health hazards.  What...the fuck?

First of all, if what all of you are saying is true, where is the research? I want to know where it says that the FDA is keeping the general public in the dark for the sake of maintaining donations to feed their coffers.  I know there are people in this world that are crooked to hell but if you're gonna start throwing accusations this vehemently, you better be prepared to show where in the pudding the proof lies.

No offense, but I'm sick and fucking tired of people trying to put words in my mouth so that whatever they're saying is the world of God.  In this world, you gotta learn to think with an open mind and question everything, no matter how inane! So, if you guys are this passionate about telling us that whatever we're buying from the grocery store will poison us to death, then please substantiate your claim.  That's all I ask.  With the way you guys are going, you're making it sound like the only good food left to eat in this world is tofu.

[OldRover]

Dark Fact, it would take me many months to collect a list of sources again. It's up to the individual to do their own research and education, and find out this stuff for themselves. No one held my hand when I read through thousands upon thousands of documents, studies, and research papers. And if the only good food to eat in the world was tofu (which is HORRIBLY bad for you), I'd have committed suicide long ago. There are plenty of good foods out there...you just gotta know how to find them. The whole reason I even KNOW any of this stuff is BECAUSE I know how to think with an open mind and question everything. Life was so much simpler when I never questioned anything, but that doesn't mean the realities were any different.

And if you don't like what we're talking about, then don't read it. If you're too comfortable in your little bubble, make sure you don't let anyone pop it.

[Dark Fact]

I don't need a whole rap sheet.  All I want to see is perhaps 2 or 3 documents showing how and why the FDA is screwing around with us.  If you can show that to me from a reliable source, then I may be inclined to believe you.  Oh, and what is it with tofu that is so horribly bad?

And if you don't like what we're talking about, then don't read it. If you're too comfortable in your little bubble, make sure you don't let anyone pop it.

The irony of your statement is that if everyone followed your advice, we would have to start living in bubbles, be fed special nutrients through a tube, and just pretend that the bubble is nothing more than a fashion sense.  And whether I like the posts here or not is completely irrelevant.  This is a forum! I come here to read posts.  What else are you supposed to do here?

I've been spoon fed Gerbers baby food ever since I was a baby, I used to go outside and inadvertently inhale gasoline and diesel fumes from passing cars all the time as a kid, and hell, I used to inhale second hand smoke from other people in restaurants that still allowed smoking where I live...and I don't even smoke. 

I guess the moral of the story is that the world that we're living in is a dirty place, and it's not gonna get cleaner anytime soon.  Even if I stop eating the "bad" foods like you're suggesting, it won't stop my body from being polluted with other toxic materials floating in the air and water.   

[OldRover]

I don't need a whole rap sheet.  All I want to see is perhaps 2 or 3 documents showing how and why the FDA is screwing around with us.  If you can show that to me from a reliable source, then I may be inclined to believe you.  Oh, and what is it with tofu that is so horribly bad?

I could show you hundreds of documents, but which are going to be considered to be from "reliable sources" to you? What one considers reliable is considered phony by another. And besides, like I said before...this is stuff I researched on my own, on my own time...many thousands of hours of research. If this is information you really want (which it isn't, you're just trying to throw the onus onto me, which means you don't actually give a shit about the information...you're just desperate to prove me wrong), it's available to anyone who has the desire and intelligence to find it.

And tofu is bad for you because it is unusually high in soy. Soy should never be consumed in excess.

The irony of your statement is that if everyone followed your advice, we would have to start living in bubbles, be fed special nutrients through a tube, and just pretend that the bubble is nothing more than a fashion sense.  And whether I like the posts here or not is completely irrelevant.  This is a forum! I come here to read posts.  What else are you supposed to do here?

That's bullshit and you know it. You're trying to look at this from a black and white perspective. That's so...ordinary-human-like. I thought you were above that.

I've been spoon fed Gerbers baby food ever since I was a baby, I used to go outside and inadvertently inhale gasoline and diesel fumes from passing cars all the time as a kid, and hell, I used to inhale second hand smoke from other people in restaurants that still allowed smoking where I live...and I don't even smoke.

You still eat Gerber baby food? I don't know who you're trying to impress here.

I guess the moral of the story is that the world that we're living in is a dirty place, and it's not gonna get cleaner anytime soon.  Even if I stop eating the "bad" foods like you're suggesting, it won't stop my body from being polluted with other toxic materials floating in the air and water.

You may not be able to completely escape from toxins, but you could at least reduce the amount you're exposed to. Of COURSE the world is a dirty place. But hey, it's your life to ruin as you see fit.

[NecroPhile]

If the vaccine was so successful, the disease would be long gone by now. The rate of polio's diminishment doesn't match the rate of administrations of the vaccine. The fact is that polio is a dying virus; its purpose has been fulfilled and it is headed for extinction. Natural selection. This is pretty basic science.

The same argument applies to your assessment that the disease was dying of its own accord.  The W.H.O.'s stats show a marked decline in the reported cases of polio in villages after vaccines are administered; a far greater decline than is shown in areas that they haven't visited.  If you truly believe that it's just 'natural selection' and that trying to fight disease via vaccines is useless, than why are you so worried about chemicals in food.  The strong will survive, the weak will die, and nobody should try to help the weak escape such basic science.

The cold cannot be cured. Even if there was a cure, the FDA would do one of two things: embrace this crazy medicine which would sell by the billions of units, or block it completely. However, he IS right about the AIDS thing...or more correctly, HIV. There are known ways to kill the HIV virus...outside of the USA. But this knowledge is all but unknown to the majority of people in the USA, as I stated earlier. Reason? The FDA keeps such information out through careful tactics. They have no intention of letting go of the huge donations they make from companies that make the VERY expensive drugs used to treat the symptoms of the various diseases caused by AIDS. If you had a gravy train that brought you many millions every year, would you give it up? Money talks.

And now we're back to a giant conspiracy.  I can't hop on a plane and pick up an AIDS cure in any other country, at least not a real cure from a real doctor, so the FDA must have a mighty long reach indeed.  With hundreds of thousands of annual deaths due to AIDS (most outside of the U.S.), you'd think the creators of such a wonderful cure would be more willing to share.  You also imply that an AIDS cure could not be sold profitably; does it literally grow on trees?

This thread has now gone WAY off topic. I need some Cheerios.

Indeed it has.  I took that as a suggestion and had a bowl of Oat Cluster Cheerios Crunch; it was scrump-diddly-umptious.

[OldRover]

 

I won't waste any more of my time on the ignorant.

[Digi.k]

I'm lactose intolerant too but that don't stop me from drinking milk.. although it has either gotta be Carnation Milk, Long life milk or milk from a dairy company here called Cravendale.

I really need to come to the states to buy some Lucky Charms cause the import prices here in UK for those is $12 for a standard size box..


Anyway I can't stand the original Shredded Wheat :O

Just feels like chomping on straw..

Same goes for muesli too..

[termis]

My wife and I just took a trip to Spokane, and she was overjoyed at all the junk cereal that's not available up here in Canada. 

She promptly bought a box of Cookie Crisp and Cocoa Puffs.  Ugh.  That's way too much sugar for me.

[guyjin]

I really need to come to the states to buy some Lucky Charms cause the import prices here in UK for those is $12 for a standard size box..

The Irish caught all the Leprechauns, and are hogging the Lucky Charms for themselves...

[nat]

My wife and I just took a trip to Spokane, and she was overjoyed at all the junk cereal that's not available up here in Canada. 

Spokane, WA? What brought you down this way?

[termis]

Spokane, WA? What brought you down this way?

Nothing in particular.  Just a little two-lane highway road trip, stopping along at small town cafes, pubs & roadside attractions along BC, Montana and Idaho -- We just made Spokane the last stop before coming back up.

[Dark Fact]

I could show you hundreds of documents, but which are going to be considered to be from "reliable sources" to you? What one considers reliable is considered phony by another. And besides, like I said before...this is stuff I researched on my own, on my own time...many thousands of hours of research. If this is information you really want (which it isn't, you're just trying to throw the onus onto me, which means you don't actually give a shit about the information...you're just desperate to prove me wrong), it's available to anyone who has the desire and intelligence to find it.

I didn't ask for hundreds of documents.  I asked for two or three from a respectable group.  And if you think I'm trying to prove you wrong, that depends on what my conclusion from your sources will be.  If they look legit, I'll agree.  If they don't, I'll disagree.  You're never gonna win any battles by saying "the sources are there" but you don't bother to show them to me.  If we were in court, the whole place would bust up laughing.

And tofu is bad for you because it is unusually high in soy. Soy should never be consumed in excess.

Wow, I guess the Japanese must be walking health hazards!

That's bullshit and you know it. You're trying to look at this from a black and white perspective. That's so...ordinary-human-like. I thought you were above that.

If you got a health plan for me and the guys here on PCE forums, I'd love to hear it.  Or better yet, write a book!

You still eat Gerber baby food? I don't know who you're trying to impress here.

As a baby I used to.  My statement wasn't clear there.

You may not be able to completely escape from toxins, but you could at least reduce the amount you're exposed to. Of COURSE the world is a dirty place. But hey, it's your life to ruin as you see fit.

See above about health plans and books.

[OldRover]

Well, since you can't be buggered to do it yourself, I've taken the time to list a few pieces of information for you.

http://www.naturalnews.com/021795.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/comments/display?contentID=AR2007042201551&start=41
http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2006/10/17/more-crap-from-the-fda/
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/19/politics/19crawford.html
http://allevolve.com/2008/02/15/fda-corruption-three-cases/
http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/dailys/02/Jun02/060402/02N-0209-EC-097.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-10-12-vioxx-cover_x.htm
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/353/13/1420
http://www.monsantowatch.org/
http://www.cbc.ca/newsinreview/mar99/milk/acrim.htm
http://www.chowhound.com/topics/498138
http://www.gregpalast.com/monsanto-saw-secret-eu-documents-us-biotech-firm-under-fire-in-europe-by-gregory-palast-and-terry-slavin/
http://www.enn.com/agriculture/article/33666
http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html
http://www.femhealth.com/DangersofHFCS.html
http://www.mercola.com/article/aspartame/dangers.htm
http://www.dorway.com/92symptomsfotocopy.html
http://curezone.com/foods/aspartame.asp
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/soyinfo/a/soy.htm
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/
http://www.drmericle.com/hfcs.php
http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/19/2/242
http://www.vegsource.com/harris/brain_aging.htm
http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/bowen.html

And I'm not here to do battle. If you're looking for a fight of some kind, you're going after the wrong guy. And we're not in court, so the evidence doesn't have to be presented by me...it's your own life and your own body, the research really should be done by you yourself. What I've posted here merely scratches the surface...there's much more to be found, whether on the internet or in printed form.

Ya know, I'm still left to wonder why the suicide rate in Japan is so high. Must be those damn video games...yeah, that's the ticket...

[NecroPhile]

I won't waste any more of my time on the ignorant.

If I'm ignorant for choosing to believe the World Health Organization over some dude on the internet, so be it.

[OldRover]

The WHO is another group becoming harder and harder to take seriously, especially considering their recent statement regarding male circumcision. They're not a total loss yet, but they've been slipping in the last few years, and they've been getting a lot of bogus reports which have influenced their statements. Of course, anything on their website is also something written by "some dude on the internet".

[Dark Fact]

Well, since you can't be buggered to do it yourself, I've taken the time to list a few pieces of information for you.

Thank you.  I'll take the time to read this.

Ya know, I'm still left to wonder why the suicide rate in Japan is so high. Must be those damn video games...yeah, that's the ticket...

The suicide rate in Japan is high due to the enormous pressures of success.  Young men are forced to do well in school in order to meet the standards of a productive member of society.  Young women are also pressured to remain virgins in order to meet the moral standards set for marriage.  If neither gender meets those requirements, they got nothing to live for.

[OldRover]

The suicide rate in Japan is high due to the enormous pressures of success.  Young men are forced to do well in school in order to meet the standards of a productive member of society.  Young women are also pressured to remain virgins in order to meet the moral standards set for marriage.  If neither gender meets those requirements, they got nothing to live for.

That kind of stuff really sucks. Of course, similar things exist in other parts of the world too, sometimes a lot more grotesque. Sometimes...humans really do suck.

[2X4]

Cereals that suck:

Honey smacks, corn pops, and ANY peanut butter flavored piece of SHIT: PB capn crunch, reese puffs, etc. 

Pac-Man cereal was the highlight of my morning for a while.  Its funny I immediately thought of it just before viewing TRON's post.

I also enjoy Honey Bunches of Shut the Fuck Up

also, are frosted Cheerios safe?  they're about the only kind I can stand.

[Ceti Alpha]

Pac-Man cereal was the highlight of my morning for a while.

haha. Wow! I totally forgot about Pac-Man cereal. I used to love it too.

"You can do the Pac-Man!" 

[Dark Fact]

also, are frosted Cheerios safe?  they're about the only kind I can stand.

They're no more safe than Lucky Charms.  Because that's all Frosted Cheerios really is: Lucky Charms without the marshmallows.

haha. Wow! I totally forgot about Pac-Man cereal. I used to love it too.

"You can do the Pac-Man!"  Whistle

God, I miss the 80's.

Heh, my dad did the Pac-Man one time by accident when he was pissed off at my mom for not understanding that cheques are not magic money tickets.

[Ceti Alpha]

God, I miss the 80's.

Tell me about it. Everything was just so much simpler back then. Going into debt was considered perfectly acceptable, and ruining the environment was barely a consideration. And if we felt guilty at all we could put on a Midnight Oil album and feel like we were environmentally aware. 

Heh, my dad did the Pac-Man one time by accident when he was pissed off at my mom for not understanding that cheques are not magic money tickets. Razz

LMFAO!! 


....wait....cheques aren't magic money tickets...?    I feel a case of buyers remorse coming on. 

[OceanBlueKirby]

God, I miss the 80's.

Heh, my dad did the Pac-Man one time by accident when he was pissed off at my mom for not understanding that cheques are not magic money tickets.

I love the '80's. Things seemed to a lot cooler back then, especially the music and that the NES had ruled the world. I would have liked to live through those times, but at least I was only born through the end.

I would like to try the Pac-Man, The Legend of Zelda, and/or Super Mario Bros. cereal. I'm interested to know how they tasted .

[Dark Fact]

Pac-Man cereal tasted like Corn Pops with additional stiff marshmallows thrown in.  Although, I remember that Corn Pops tasted more sweeter.

I love the '80's. Things seemed to a lot cooler back then, especially the music and that the NES had ruled the world. I would have liked to live through those times, but at least I was only born through the end.

Ah yes, who could forget such gems of the 80's like "Reaganomics", mullets, and Weird Al Yankovic.

Dammit, where is a Delorean when you need one?

[rag-time4]

Pac-Man cereal tasted like Corn Pops with additional stiff marshmallows thrown in.  Although, I remember that Corn Pops tasted more sweeter.

I love the '80's. Things seemed to a lot cooler back then, especially the music and that the NES had ruled the world. I would have liked to live through those times, but at least I was only born through the end.

Ah yes, who could forget such gems of the 80's like "Reaganomics", mullets, and Weird Al Yankovic.

Dammit, where is a Delorean when you need one?

For Deloreans, try this thread

[Dark Fact]

Well, I guess it'll have to do.

Well, since you can't be buggered to do it yourself, I've taken the time to list a few pieces of information for you.

http://www.naturalnews.com/021795.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/comments/display?contentID=AR2007042201551&start=41
http://www.modernforager.com/blog/2006/10/17/more-crap-from-the-fda/
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/19/politics/19crawford.html
http://allevolve.com/2008/02/15/fda-corruption-three-cases/
http://www.fda.gov/OHRMS/DOCKETS/dailys/02/Jun02/060402/02N-0209-EC-097.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/2004-10-12-vioxx-cover_x.htm
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/353/13/1420
http://www.monsantowatch.org/
http://www.cbc.ca/newsinreview/mar99/milk/acrim.htm
http://www.chowhound.com/topics/498138
http://www.gregpalast.com/monsanto-saw-secret-eu-documents-us-biotech-firm-under-fire-in-europe-by-gregory-palast-and-terry-slavin/
http://www.enn.com/agriculture/article/33666
http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/highfructose.html
http://www.femhealth.com/DangersofHFCS.html
http://www.mercola.com/article/aspartame/dangers.htm
http://www.dorway.com/92symptomsfotocopy.html
http://curezone.com/foods/aspartame.asp
http://thyroid.about.com/cs/soyinfo/a/soy.htm
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/
http://www.drmericle.com/hfcs.php
http://www.jacn.org/cgi/content/full/19/2/242
http://www.vegsource.com/harris/brain_aging.htm
http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/bowen.html

And I'm not here to do battle. If you're looking for a fight of some kind, you're going after the wrong guy. And we're not in court, so the evidence doesn't have to be presented by me...it's your own life and your own body, the research really should be done by you yourself. What I've posted here merely scratches the surface...there's much more to be found, whether on the internet or in printed form.

Ya know, I'm still left to wonder why the suicide rate in Japan is so high. Must be those damn video games...yeah, that's the ticket...

None of these articles presented prove your point in any way or shape or form, Rover.  It only reinforces your propagandic behavior that you seem to enjoy flaunting here.  Because that's what you are: a propagandist.  I can easily list articles that show the other side of the equation but only taken together can anyone (and hopefully you) get a more clear picture of.  But, hell man! You insist on wrapping your head around your righteous indignation and want to tell all of us that we're just a bunch of morons for believing so-called "corporate puppets".  Well, excuse me, princess! If you want to crusade, do it to your one-member support group and let the rest of us enjoy our cereals in peace, m'kay?